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So I have the highest respect for Tile Guy now!:thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:

I just finished my first tile job for a kitchen floor and counter tops.  This is flat outright manual labor, back breaking, knee bashing, pain staking work.  :bang::bang::bang:Ugh!  :yuck::yuck::yuck::yuck:Oh well, the wife likes it and that’s what important.  Of course I am doing all this work so we can put the house on the market, but she’s happy anyway.  :Doh:Todd, my hat is off to you man.  I could never do this for a living.

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Your supposed to work up to things Slowly Ken, not tackle a big ol kitchen first time LOL.

You sound exactly like most folks that take on a tile job........Many start out saying I saw it on TV, doesnt look to tough.............They woulda saved some money too had it not been for the chiropracter and physical Therapy trips afterwards:)

All I can say is knowing your work, I'm sure it looks great................that and theres a reason why we get paid what we do..............AND IT AINT ENOUGH!!!! ROFL

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LMAO!

All too true..all too true...and I have a job looming very very soon.:boohoo

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Serious, my knees are still hurting..........:boohoo:boohoo:boohoo

I guess I just need to result to the fact that I am getting older now :old dude::old dude:

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Is there any possablity we could see a couple of pictures????  :Hmm:

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Of my kitchen??????

Why?????

Tileguy doesn't need a laugh that bad:glad::glad::glad::glad:

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So did you go to home depot Or Lowes???

The Big Orange Box or the Big Blue Box ;)

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If he wants a big laugh all he has to do is check out my layout. :P

Why not show us what ya did ?!

Lets not forget the big green box, Menard's.

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That would be HD for everything.  Menards? must be east of the Mississippi.  Haven't seen them here in CO but I remember them well in Chicagoland.

I must have gone to about a half a dozen places but ended back up at HD.  After all, we are putting the house on the market so I could not justify huge bucks for tile.  I will taqke a few pics this weekend and post them.

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loggeron30 wrote: Menards? must be east of the Mississippi. 

 

It is a midwestern thing I guess. Good luck with the sale.

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:glad::glad::glad: 'I'm finished :glad::glad::glad:

Pictures to follow............

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So what exactly did you do??

What underlayment did you use??

What type of deflection rating does your subfloor have (dont know?)

ok

Whats the Longest unsupported span of your floor joists?

Are they Doug Fir? (should be a stamp on them)

What size are they?

What is the spacing?

What type of tile did you use? Size?

What did you use for a Thinset?

Did you leave expansion all the way around your perimeter?

Did you leave any expansion joints in the main floor? If so how many and how far apart? What did you fill these with?

Does the area get a lot of daytime sun?

How did you handle your transitions to other floorcoverings?

 

Thats enough for now!! :)

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Bugger laying tiles. think I will stick to model trains:Hmm:

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Tileguy wrote: So what exactly did you do??lay tile

What underlayment did you use??
the good stuff

What type of deflection rating does your subfloor have (dont know?)
have not had the ex-wife over to test it yet

ok

Whats the Longest unsupported span of your floor joists?
not too long

Are they Doug Fir? (should be a stamp on them)
Connie Fir

What size are they?
About this big

What is the spacing?
Closer then the norm

What type of tile did you use? Size?
Square ones

What did you use for a Thinset?
Speedset.......gotcha

Did you leave expansion all the way around your perimeter?
Almost the same amount in between my Ex-wifes ears

Did you leave any expansion joints in the main floor? If so how many and how far apart? What did you fill these with?
lots of joints and gaps all over the place....that's what that motor stuff is fir rite???

Does the area get a lot of daytime sun?
and some night stuff from the moon too

How did you handle your transitions to other floorcoverings?
1 step at a time

 

Thats enough for now!! :)

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That was just an example of  the questions that someone at home depot should have asked...................and didnt!!!

I just tore out a 1 month old 3000.00 home depot Custom shower.

Pretty design, nice straight lines, grout looked good etc etc

Not 1 seam was taped

Tile set directly to dimension lumber

No expansion in corners

4" wall tile used on shower floor

NO clue what he used for floating slope to drain in floor.....looked like some kinda gypsum leveler.

Treated Lumber used for curb

The Main reason this shower failed... NO PAN LINER!!!!!

BUT, the Number 1 reason this shower failed

Installer who Lacked the mechanical knowledge to do a proper job but can make it pretty......Because of this he THINKS he's So good he doesnt need to learn!!!!

3000.00 the first time

4000.00 to tear it out and redo it

Look on the customers face when handed the estimate....PRICELESS!!!!

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Tileguy wrote: 3000.00 the first time

4000.00 to tear it out and redo it
7000.00 for a shower.... hmmmm... me thinks I would have went with a pro and saved the rest for the beer afterwards.

Look on the customers face when handed the estimate....PRICELESS!!!!          
    That look is about as good as when you tell them it will cost them more IF they help you do the project. :P

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LOL, I can just imagine that being the case.  My experience with HD and the staff is just about that.  I should be fair and state that that is the direction that most big box retailers have gone towards, not just HD.  I've met some good people there and learned some neet tricks from some real good folks.  The sad thing is that is the direction most retailers are heading in.  Our organization is no different and we are in the medical field.

A very good friend of mine who is into home construction assisted me with this project.  Had it not been for him, I would have been the guy tearing it out again.  I was amazed at the amount of pre-work and planning that goes into a job like this.  I have a small kitchen 10X14 and spent more bucks in all of the prep work then I did in the floor tile.

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An excellent job consists of 10 % planning 70 % preperation  9 % Execution and 11 percent Standing around.

Now the standing around technique is NOT something that should be taken lightly and mastering the technique of standing around takes a lot of practice the point of which is to make the job look exceptionally difficult requiring great feats of mental calculation.

It must appear as if smoke is coming from your ears as your brain works overtime and since creating smoke is impossible the illussion must do.

Therefor...to the technique:

One must stand feet apart at aproximate shoulder width, Left arm across the body with the right elbow resting on the left fist. Right hand stroking the chin while rocking ever so slightly on the ball/heel of the feet...........The rocking is very important since it mesmerizes the observer..........once in a while one must stop rocking very suddenly.............as if something finally came to you. take 1 step forward and resume standing around position.

Using this technique effectively one can make changing a light bulb appear as though it is a major operation.

Lets face it, Professional Help is expensive................we certainly do not want folks thinking that JUST ANYBODY can do it!!! :)

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:bow:AHHHH THE GRAND MASTER !!!!!:bow:

One addition to the look of looking busy: every once in a while take the right hand away from the chin and touch the tips of the four fingers to the thumb. You look as if you have so many numbers in your head you have to visualize them right in front of your eyes, then place hand back on your chin and resume the pose. Having a note pad to scribble down notes on while you are thinking adds to the look as well as helps you to remember the extra 12 pack you will need for the lake next weekend.

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LOL, My wife filled that position and got that one mastered, you know, hands on hips, telling me what to do as my knees are killing me.....

No, not that case at all.  Just kidding.

Anhow, here it is.  Small kitchen but then it is just the two of us....

Also added the extra cabinets, cook book slot and base cabinet on the left side of the fridge.  I managed to fine the original v=cabinet maker from 17 years ago, and the cut me a new door so they matched.



 



 


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Very nice job there Chief ! !  :glad:  I :Salute: you sir for the job well done!

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Looks pretty good ken.

If you grouted between the tile and your wood countertop trim Its Going to crack, I Gaurantee it.

A Matching sanded caulk would have been best to use there.

Subbase should be 1 layer of 3/4" Plywood and 1 pc 1/2" Concrete Board(good)

Or

2 layers of Plywood and 1 1/4" concrete board (better)

Or

1 3/4" Ply and  a 1 1/4 "layer Of Hand Screeded Mud over 2x2 welded wire(best)

I make my counter trim a bit different and generally from the same wood as the cabinetry if possible.

Mine looks more like this:

Lastly, you should be able to slide a hockey puck across the floor without it catching any tile edges!!

If you can do that, you can come work for me anytime :)

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I didn't know about sanded caulk.  Were can I get that at?  I did caulk it with a color very close to the original grout.  I figured it would crack just with expansion rates and water from the sink over spray, yada yada.  Thew cabinets were 17 years old and I could not justify new ones when the hous is going on the market next month.  From the looks of them, they were lamanted cabs and real wood doors so, I played around with 3 different stains to get it close.

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Home Depot carries sanded caulk in their tile section. Any good Flooring store can Order sanded tile caulk in colors for you.

I am a creature of habit like most of us and stick to certain products that after 25 years in the trade I feel are The BEST of THE BEST!!

Mapei & Laticrete Thinsets, Mastics & Membranes

Hydroment Grouts, Stains & Caulks

Durock Concrete Board & Schluter Ditra for underlayments

Schluter Trims & Expansion Materials

Aquamix & Stone Tech Sealers.

I also Install My countertops Different than any DIY book Ive seen shows.

I screw the Plywood in from underneath Which allows for Removal down the road without tearing up the cabinetry.

I use 2 layers of A/B Plywood 1st layer screwed from underneath, Second layer screwed to first layer and a Skin of 1/4" Concrete Board Set with Mapei Keralastic.

All Countertops Get Epoxy Grout.

An Average set of tile countertops from Me will run you around 3000.00 BUT, They are gauranteed Till I Am DEAD to never crack warp or stain and they never need to be sealed.............Epoxy Grout is Impervious to staining!!

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Todays little project.............tomorrow I run the design into the shower ;)



 

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That looks cool Todd.  Is that the shower project you were talking about earlier?????

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Hmmm, I believe so Ken.

This ones been a bit of fun....DIY framing and Tub Install in an Old house.

Mistakes were made..............Mistakes I cant fix ( Like a Tub out of Level & A Poor tub deck design to start with , not to mention an angle on a wall that sweeps back towards the shower at about 150 degrees)

Fortunatly I have learned a few tricks over the years and am managing to dress up the ugly spots :thumb:

Later this year or early next year he wants me to do a Master bathroom in a new addition (huge)

He wants this pattern....(BIG BUCKS)


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Tileguy wrote: He wants this pattern....(BIG BUCKS)

  And to think your wife got that one by putting it on the honey-do list. :bg: I will say you some amazing work there dude. :thumb::thumb::thumb::pimp::p2::pimp::moose::moose::moose:

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Why thank you Chris...... Its just another day humping Rocks for me :)

Wifey was out visiting her brother the other day and snapped pictures of a bathroom I did for him 14 years ago (wow time flies)

The grouts a bit yellowed and could use a good cleaning (they are smokers) but other than that it looks like the day I put it in :thumb:

This is what 10,000.00 worth of Tilework looked like 14 years ago!!!:)








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supper nice job:thumb::thumb: Todd from a old tile setter

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:shocked: Work that stands the test of time !!! :shocked:  

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WOW :glad::glad::glad:That is some very cool work.  I am amazed at the work you do!!!

 

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Thanks Ken.......Its alot of work as you pointed out, but its not without its rewards. The Finished Product when well done is always an added attraction to a home.

I know ive done my job well when the lady of the home steps into her new master bathroom and Squeels in delight :thumb:

Heres an Historic site Fireplace renovation. This was set with Marble and a Zero Clearance Gas fireplace was installed (reason for leaving the unfinished edges)

Since this was a Very old Fireplace, Messing with Woodwork is NOT something you want to do......Some real special & Tricky cuts were required for this installation.


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Sure is some nice work Todd.:thumb:

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I agree, craftsmanship like that is worth it's weight in gold, or cold hard cash ! ;)  which ever is more conveniant. :P 

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Thanks guys, you are very kind to an old Tileguy.

Since a few of ya'll seem to enjoy these project photo's, i'll add a few once in a while...call it a distraction.. ;)

I rolled into a new job yesterday..Bathroom tub splash and up the walls Plus floor plus a Hallway and an Entryway that get tile......Will also have a kitchen backsplash to do once they have their cabinets installed...This will be a 3 phase project  and probobly will not be completed until mid july (cabinet guys are SOOOO very slow LOL)

I finished the bathroom remodel/new shower....heres a few final photo's of it.







 

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Almost 3 years later this comes up high on views...even with the pictures long gone LOL

 

Hmmmmmm might need to post new ones some day  :thumb:

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