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 Posted: Sat Aug 4th, 2007 01:00 am
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Mr Wiz-since you're a flyer, you don't have reverse in your airplanes do you? Also, it is not nice to run ground r/c with air frequencies, flyers can get very hostile about this! I wish manufacturers would come out with r/c for trains that is affordable, but not right now. That's why we still have to use "adaptive technology" from other hobbies for our trains. The boards are inexpensive enough for r/c cars, they can be run with 4 AAA alkalines, 9 volt alkalines, or rechargables. Yes, I use Li-Poly because most of the batteries flyers use will fit into my punky locos.

       Woodie



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 Posted: Sat Aug 4th, 2007 05:39 am
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That's true, but it's a simple matter to use a TX (transmitter) designed for ground use vehicles and change the crystal in the RX to a ground frequency... But in my case, I'm using the new 2.4Ghz spread spectrum gear and with that there is no rule about ground or air frequencies simply because frequency isn't an issue at all. I can fly (drive trains?) whenever I like without causing any frequency conflict issues for anyone. It's really very cool not to have to worry about sombody shooting down my plane anymore.

If you are so inclined, go to Horizonhobby.com and have a look at the Spektrum brand car radios they have there.

As for the reverse issue, it's a simple matter to buy a car ESC and get a reverse. I believe Novak makes a very small one with that function. I can probably even find a cheap Pacific Rim made one with a little internet surfing.

With the new sub micro R/C gear and LiPo batteries, R/C for trains as small as HO is an easy thing to accomplish today. Now, how to you get that compatible with your sound systems?

The technology is there and it's no longer cutting edge technology either. All the model train industry needs to do is make a system specific to the train hobby. Of course, they'll probably market it as something special and charge an arm and a leg for it.

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 Posted: Sat Aug 4th, 2007 01:44 pm
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Yes, I agree about the new digital r/c systems. Mr Wiz, I work in at a hobby shop that carries all the latest r/c stuff so I am familiar with what's available. As I stated, I have no sound effect desires so no worries there. As for receiver/esc boards, with all the searching I have done, still the Kyosho Mini Z Racer boards are the smallest with proportional forward & reverse. The Novak SPY esc is super small, but you still need a receiver to make it operate. Also, the SPY has to be programmed for use. While I love using r/c in my trains, I abhor having to program anything so I like what I have. I am supportive of anyone changing to wireless no matter what system they use. I realize that (for instance), if the LOSI board (30 bucks) was made for model trains, the cost would be probably 90 bucks. The manufacturers know that they can get high dollars for model rr stuff so the trend continues. Still, battery size will be the issue here, boards can get as small as possible, but batteries capable of powering model trains still need shrinking. I have found what I like and am able to pack everything into something as small as a Bachmann On30 0-4-2t outline. Now, My stuff may be in 1:32 scale, but there are still space issues and batteries head the list. Maybe we should be talking to battery manufacturers instead of r/c makers, who knows. Anyway, I am having fun running trains anytime, any place...even across a counter top with no track!

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 Posted: Mon Aug 6th, 2007 05:19 pm
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I'm a little surprised that you're finding it hard to get a battery to do the job. Are you trying to fit it into an On30 Porter?

What is the current demand for your typical train?

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 Posted: Mon Aug 6th, 2007 05:57 pm
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Mr Wiz-I'm not having any problems with batteries, I am just trying to help others. I use THUNDER POWER Li-Poly rechargable batteries in all my 3/8n20 (1:32 scale narrow gauge running on 16.5mm gauge) and am able to fit a 7.4 volt 2 cell job under the cab roof in my Porter. These smaller batteries can be fitted into most all On30 locos, the cab detail might consist of battery and r/c receiver, but the rewards far outweigh the lack of "proper detailing". Some fellows I know have small tenders for their Porters and Davenports which carry the equipment. All my 3/8 locos are also run with KYOSHO Mini-Z receiver/esc boards. Their performance is the same as high end dcc systems but without sound(I don't want that) and the wiring mess. Whatever anyone does is fine with me, I love what I have and will continue to go this way. By the way, I have 10-12% grades on my mining line and run trains from 3 or 4 cars with a Porter to 10 or more cars with my Shay or Garratt. I am able to get quite a few hours of fun before batteries need recharging.          Later,    Woodie



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 Posted: Mon Aug 6th, 2007 07:20 pm
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Woodie,

It seems as though you pretty much have it all figured out. I'm still tempted to give some of my equipment a try in a train. I think it could work out quite well.

I also believe that an RC compatible sound system would be great, but then we'd have to haul aroung even more battery capacity.

Lastly, I use Mr Wiz as a handle on most internet discussion groups, but my friends call me Mike, or Wiz.

Cheers,

Wiz

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 Posted: Tue Aug 7th, 2007 12:36 am
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Mike it is! All this r/c stuff is "experimental" at the time but someday....

I only wish I had all this figured out, but whatever I have done is in the realm of "dumb luck"..things have just seemed to work from the start. Since I am a computer doofus, I don't like to have to program things and these little car boards work great without any messing around. Matter of fact, I can install r/c in most locos in probably 20-30 minutes. The hardest part is finding room for batteries, sometimes that calls for some moto-tool work. If you have the desire, it will happen.

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 Posted: Tue Aug 7th, 2007 03:53 pm
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Woodie:
Charlie here, just joined, you people are nuts, fer sure, so I'm digging out my abandoned tug boat (R/C) and Mogul (0n30) and to forth......

NOW, Google  Flickr.com  follow directions, you'll have pix in view almost immeciately.  Check the following:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/tinturtle/

I'm 76 and did it, you're a Texan, yu can do it too!

Pictures really make the difference as I read all this I keep wondering  - what does it look like?  which end  is up?  The pix seen so far are  fantastic.

As a crank scratchbuilder, this is really a breath of fresh air and a shot of single malt whisky  -- thanks to all who are participating.

By the way, wot's the minimum radius a battery engine ....... -- I just couldn't resist!



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 Posted: Tue Aug 7th, 2007 06:41 pm
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Charlie-welcome. Minimum radius of an r/c locomotive??? Hmmmm...how about whatever radius it will go around. One of mine will do wheelies and donuts if given a chance. Get your stuff out and get to work, you won't be sorry!

        Woodie



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 Posted: Tue Aug 7th, 2007 06:45 pm
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Charlie-just looked at your site, you HAVE been at work...very nice stuff indeed. I have some photos on freerails in the narrow gauge section. My layout doesn't have much water around, you know how it is in West Texas!

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