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 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2007 10:35 pm
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My railroad was made to be run in the hot Texas sun so I can't wait to set up and switch the mines while I commune with Mother Nature. You know, r/c has freed me to be able to build a sectional layout that can be set up and running in just a few minutes.
 

Pretty tough to find a better backdrop than Mother Nature at her best..........I guess your RR's motto isnt Come RAIN or shine Through WIND & HAIL the trains must go through eh :moose::moose::moose:

I'm poking through the Texas Outlaws Module drawings & Plans even now seeing what I can use from them or adapt to my needs from them.

I thought the Velcro fasteners a pretty unique Idea:thumb:



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 Posted: Sun Jul 8th, 2007 04:22 am
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While you're looking at the Outlaws files, there may still be some of my pix there, also some of my old On30 railroad, the Cedar Tap RR. I built the Cedar Tap to use with the Outlaws setups and most of it was un-wired because I got into r/c while I was building it. I gave the layout (7 modules) to a couple of members and later overheard a couple of guys griping about the lack of "proper" wiring on the mods. It just goes to show that no good deed goes unpunished! Of course I never had any problems with the line, I didn't need "proper" or improper wiring and ran many trains without a hitch. Hmmmmm.

Remember that Sunday night at 9PM we will have a little live session dealing with r/c. I hope to hear about what everybody else is doing, I have told some of the local r/c crazies and they will be hanging out for the festivities. Some of you fellows across the pond and down under may have to get up in the middle of the night for this, maybe sometime I can get something going in the middle of the day here so you can get in on the discussion. Please let me know what you think.

What is the future of r/c for small scale trains? It is unlimited and it is time (rather maybe behind the time) for this advance in the hobby. Yes, I am a fanatic, but if I hadn't stumbled onto this adaptave technology for my trains, I was close to going back to working on old MG's and Triumphs and forgetting about what I have loved for most of my life. It hasn't been easy, well the r/c installation is easy, the path has been crowded with nitpickers and nay sayers and guys who have that "can't do it" attitude. I am glad I have done what I believe is the future and all those sourpusses can just get under their layouts and trace short circuits! The time has come to throw away those old Brite Boys and use the old power packs as boat anchors. There-that may get somebody fired up!

                   Woodie



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 Posted: Sun Jul 8th, 2007 06:15 am
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We have tried different time slots in an attempt to work in with the world time zones, even to the point of having different sessions. Alas it did not work. Europe and the UK miss out,for  those of us down under it falls at midday on the Monday, not good for some but we get by
We have even tried transcripts of the discussion, that was a bad move. it was disjointed and was not at all helpful.
Look on the bright side, its daylight here and we don't need batteries to see what we are doing.
As you would have gathered I am DCC, spent my money so going to use it even if it kills me.  BUT that does not mean I am not interested in what you are doing in R/C. .
So I shall just be a looker and learner until such time as I see the light



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 Posted: Sun Jul 8th, 2007 03:05 pm
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I gave the layout (7 modules) to a couple of members and later overheard a couple of guys griping about the lack of "proper" wiring on the mods.

7 Free modules and all they had to do was the wiring and they Griped...This is a very Sad statement but even sadder is Ive seen many of this type in our hobby......Free isnt enough, it must be Free AND PERFECT!!!

 the path has been crowded with nitpickers and nay sayers and guys who have that "can't do it" attitude.

 

Nothing new here...every advance in the hobby has dealt with those same people......justwhen you think theyve all died off :old dude:.... a new crop of them comes around :):):)

The time has come to throw away those old Brite Boys and use the old power packs as boat anchors.

 

Lets not get too hasty there Woody........I was thinking that those step rheostats in them ol MRC power packs May come in very handy......In fact, The entire case may be able to be modified to hold the transmitting boards, antenna etc.

Just need to have an electronics Guru type look into the meat of the matter.......Take an Old MRC 1300 or 1320 for example.(20.00 units new)..........These would make a pretty nice lil RC controller dont you think ;)

Not sure i'd want to gut a Tech4 260, but the lil Tech 1320 Ive got I would!!!:thumb:



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 Posted: Sun Jul 8th, 2007 03:23 pm
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I know I come down hard on those who blast me for messing with the "devil's work" of r/c...the pioneers of dcc put up with that for many years before the general model railroading public accepted something new. One of the earliest is Kieth Gutteriez, owner of CVP Products. Kieth struggled for many years promoting dcc and listening to massive disbelief but he stayed there and now has one of the oldest dcc companies around. CVP has a nice r/c system but the phusical size makes it too big for smaller scales-he's working on something smaller. You see, it takes loads of money to provide new products (like r/c) and the tiny boards will have to be made by the tens of thousands and assembled by robotics and that takes money-lots of it. So until that day, little r/c car boards will just have to suffice. Maybe the fact that I am using technology from another hobby makes some upeset, I just don't know. However, the first time I ran a locomotive on radio, I was hooked and began wondering why everybody wouldn't want to have the same fun I was having. There will always be a place for dcc, just like there is still a hardcore dc fraternity. There is room for everybody. If you could see some of the "off-line" and off color comments I have received-"you are ruining the hobby", "just shut up and go away", and "&$%^ you and your #$*&^(@ radio control", you might understand why I sometimes get a little (or a lot) testy. Good grief-it's a hobby and we are basically playing with toy trains! Now when somebody figures out how to control trains with mental telepathy, I will join Mr Spock and Scotty and get rid of all my antique r/c stuff. As Dr McCoy once said about old timey Earth-"Jim, they're all barbarians down here!" Yep!

                 Woodie-see you at 9PM Central tonight(Sunday)



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 Posted: Sun Jul 8th, 2007 05:09 pm
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Eventually R/C will become more or less accepted as have other controversial changes/advances in model railroading.
For example; back in the sixties MR ran a article about model railroading in Japan. The Japanese were building modules and assembling them in public places for show. They were also using the helix to go from one level to another.  MR receved a lot of heat for "wasting space" on these wacky ideas.
Another example: when Garden Railways mag. ran a series of articles titled "Second generation Garden Railroading" (in reality it was about adding more detail to the trains and scratch building bridges and buildings) they receved a bunch of complaints about being "forced" to junk everything and start over.
Don't these people have any free will, why do they feel so threatened?
North Americans in particular seem to be very suspicious of any new idea, you know what I mean....
IF IT'S NEW IT MUST BE BAD.

Woodie, I don't understand how some people can feel so threatened by R/C that they would "flame" you that way just for talking about it.
No one is forcing anyone to switch to R/C or DCC or to build modules or double deck layouts with a helex, so why all the fear!

I don't get it!

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 Posted: Sun Jul 8th, 2007 05:27 pm
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Tileguy, when and where is the swap meet you mentioned a while back?
I have a bunch of "G" scale to sell, no demand out here in Rapid City.

Larry T.



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 Posted: Sun Jul 8th, 2007 07:56 pm
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Grand Rapids Mn Car Show/Flea Market & Swap Meet...............Probobly see 60,000 + come through in 2 days.

 

It is not a Train Swap Meet but there are lots of Folks Buying a little of everything.

You need to pay for space but 1 table wouldnt be much.......Bring more than just g scale stuff.......Bring all kinds of junk...Pack a trailer LOL

Its a good time with over 380 vendors last year. We used to set up there ( Niki's Parents had an Indoor spot for 20 years and it took the m and Us to fill it up the last few they had it........They finally gave it up as they were getting too old.

It was a Prime location in the main building.....1st booth on the right coming in the main door..PRIME!!!!!

There are 5 or 6 LARGE buildings total Plus a dozen smaller ones and 1/3 of the parking Lot has vendors Plus the hillside area has another 100 vendors or so.

Its HUGE and only 1 time per year!!!!



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 Posted: Mon Jul 16th, 2007 04:24 pm
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WOW! this has really taken off. :thumb: I finally got my Mogul up and running Sunday. I found out that the old wide-band equipment is not compatible with the new narrow-band receivers, :doh: I ended up buying new crystals and borrowing a radio. The response is good and the performance is probably closer to prototype than I usually run which is a good thing. I'm using some old Ni-Cad batteries from the Tamiya 1/24 scale R/C cars we ran years ago. They're only 7.2 volts but the engine runs well and has the power to pull a full train ( six weighted box cars and a caboose) without a problem. It's realy nice being able to run around wyes and reversing loops and not have to throw a bunch of electrical swithes. :Woohoo: Now all I have to do is decide what style of batteries I want to run and where to put them. The little Li-Po packs will fit nicely in the oil bunker on the tender of the Mogul, the Porter will be a different story, a small trailing work car or tank car for the receiver and a box or hopper for the battery. And there's still the little rechargeable 9 volt that will fit in a lot of small spaces. :asm:  Thanks for getting this stirred up. I really wasn't looking forward to wiring the DCC and all the other stuff that goes with it. Anybody need an unused DCC set up? :cool:



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 Posted: Mon Jul 16th, 2007 05:07 pm
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Robert-welcome to the future! As you now know, this is all experimental and it may be quite some time until a manufacturer makes small scale r/c available. That's their problem. Have fun and be smug in the fact that you don't have any more problems(at least with wiring!) Write with any updates, gripes, questions, etc. I am busy running my trains outside, I love being able to operate without bs and brite boys!

           Woodie

PS-try the THUNDER POWER line of li-po batteries, they work great and you will only need to buy one for your loco. they won't die out in our lifetimes!



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