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Its about time we put in 1 place links to those who inspire us.

Perhaps This should be the first Sticky in this forum Dave??

Lets start with a couple of MY all time favorites shall we....:thumb:

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Mr Chuck Doan.........North American Master Modeler!!

http://public.fotki.com/ChuckDoan/

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Mr Geoff Knott........Down Under Master Modeler!!

http://www.nmra.org.au/Layout_Tours/Geoff_Nott/index.html

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Perhaps This should be the first Sticky in this forum Dave??
There are one or two stickys already Todd, but that sounds like a great idea.


Technically that is not Geoff Knotts website but rather a site with pics of his work.

You cannot mention his or Steve Pettits work without mention of the Red Stag

http://www.nmra.org.au/Layout_Tours/RedStag/index.html

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Nothing like great links to great works :apl:

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Guys, a great modeler in his own right Mario Rapinett has a website who covers a great number of his friends. Including my friend Karl Osolinski, who in my opinion does some of the best work in HO I have seen to date. Brian Nolan and Dave Revelia's work can also be seen there,  they are both great modelers  in some of the larger scales/gauges  nowadays but  started in HO. Pat
http://modvid.com.au/

Just click on the art tab once you get there, you guys on Dail up will be here a quite some time as there are tons of pics there.

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Wow!  That's the first time I've seen pictures of the Red Stag Railroad. Absolutely breathtaking.

     My favorite picture is number '05811' The detail of the man sitting there at the water fall. Speaking of which, how did he make his excellent water? I've not seen a water fall look this good and I seen many modeled. Everything about this picture is amazing, even the fine branches of the trees.

     Wow! something to strive for.

                                                                                         Loren

 

                                                                                    

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You have a good eye Loren.

The Stag has long been my favorite.

I read that he teased out some silicone or other product on clear acetate material, that was cut into strips and glued in place, after which poly fibers were attached to give the look of misted water around the falls.

He used modeling paste to do the other water areas, which when dry he painted with acrylic paints.

When that was dry he went over that with a gloss medium to give it the wet look.

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I had there layout on a cd at one time, there was a really neat tree making tutorial on it.

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Hi all,

You may like this site.

http://members.optushome.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html

There are many good layouts but our local true master is Alan Rocket.  Have alook at  http://members.optushome.com.au/jdennis/vrng/frameset.html


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Absolutely, totally UNFAIR!!

I have something that I have to do tonight, and along comes a great bunch of photos.

Well I know what I'll be doing tomorrow- Did look at Allen Rockets work-

Unbelievable!

Herb:old dude:

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Thanks for those links Rod, I'll be spending my morning drooling over these new photo's and trying to not wake the miss'es with my 'Ooooo's'  and  'Awe's':glad:

                                                                                            Loren

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My NMRA colleague,John Dennis, has been published in Australian and European model railway press.  He has a good eye for photography, and it is made easy by wonderful modelling downunder.

Another nice layout is Muskrat Ramble which made its debut at Easter.

http://www.nmra.org.au/Layout_Tours/Muskrat/index.html

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     "Crikey! There must be somethin in the wa-er downunder. They're makin us Yanks jealous! Another fine example of excellent modeling.  Beautiful.

 

                                                                                       Loren

 

                                                                                            

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muskrat ramble was the inspiration for me to go narrow gauge
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Hi all,

Another new layout by Geoff Nott & Michael Flack.

Smugglers Cove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdTb8XBR9ss

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Cool video link, Rod. Thanks for posting it.

Ya know, as I was watching that video one thing suddenly became very apparent to me. We spend all this time trying to make everything look so real but in the end, in our little worlds most everything remains stationary except the trains. In my real life experience most everything is moving but the trains. Of course, the trains move but not as much as everything else around them. I know, there is not much we can do about that. It just suddenly hit me watching that video.

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http://www.carendt.com/

Okay, I know that this website is listed in many places, both high and low, but there is a reason it's everywhere and it's because it is a first rate website. So I post the link above for anyone who has not yet heard of carendt.com.

carendt.com was started by Carl Arendt although he passed away almost two years ago, but the site continues on as his legacy and contribution to the hobby of small layouts, narrow gauge, Gn15, and others. Since Carl's passing, other editors have taken his place to manage the site, and the monthly updates have started coming back, although at an irregular rate. regardless, I'm sure Carl Arendt will go down as a pioneer in the hobby of model railroading, especially micro layouts. He was also a definite master of his craft.

For anyone interested in a ton of small layouts (most under 4 square feet in area, but go up to almost a sheet of plywood) then this site is for you. also, if anyone has a layout to share, there is a link so that the new editors can receive any layout stories for the next update. BTW, I'm sure they need new layouts badly so that the updates can be lengthened and look like they used to.

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Hi all,

You might like the collection at this site. It has been collected by Mario Rapinett over many tears.

http://www.modvid.com.au/html/body_worldwide__miniatures.html

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Thanks for depressing me first thing in the morning Rod.

I think I'll quit trying to build models, and concentrate on something that I'm good at--scraping dog crap off my shoe comes to mind.

Seriously, thanks for posting all that great stuff in one place!


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Now Herbert, you are indeed a master of what you do. I can't think of anyone more qualified to carry that name. I do have a comment or two about "masters". Over many years, I have seen many of the "masters"' works. Some built beautiful model railroads...which couldn't and wouldn't operate without problems. I have seen exquisite locomotives and cars built by fellows who have no place (nor desire to build) a place to run their creations. Masters of the electrical side of this hobby, most without either layout or equipment. Oh yes, there have been some "John Allen" types over the years who have done it all, but most of us are not in that rarified atmosphere that floats above our heads. Yes, I may be hyper-critical about this...I only know of one Master and he/she ain't got nothing to do with this hobby except for giving us the talent to do what we do. I don't sit at the computer looking for "inspiration" and I don't really find it in the printed word any more. I seem to get more inspired by seeing things that would fail to pass muster in a "serious" model contest, "masters" don't inspire me at all. The word is over used, maybe "greats" or "artists" would be a better term, there are many of those. Me? I am just a jack of all trades, master of none. Just what I like.

Woodie-in a somewhat serious mood

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Hi Herb,

Woodies right. There are two types in the hobby. Model Railroaders and Railroad Modellers. You got to pick which one you are.

Me; I just fluff around a bit.

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Rod and Woodie

That was written very much tongue in cheek.

While I respect those like Chuck Doan who can create a near perfect diorama--it is, after all, only a work of art.

Those that have--dare I say-- fun playing with the trains on layouts that they largely scratch built. are my kind of folks.

I suppose that I could write paragraphs more, but I have several pair of shoes that are calling me with their compelling odor.


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Masters.. There are all sorts of people that are called that by all sorts of people and for all sorts of reasons. I think you guys here are masters. Why? Because you do exceptional work and you share your techniques with the masses. Lets face it, most of us will never reach the pinnacle of modeling realism but we can still make convincing models of our favorite pieces of the world and we enjoy that endeavor. For some, that enjoyment comes from sweating every tiny detail right down to flies on a dog pile. That's admirable and fun to see but those guys are a little crazy, IMHO. But hey, that's what they like. Many of the people here like to scratch build and play with their creations on their layout instead of sweating the details the others love. Are they any less of a master of the hobby? Nah, just different.

Anyway, yes that stuff in the website above is amazing but I wouldn't enjoy creating that level of detail. It requires more patience than I have and a steadier hand than I have and a greater desire to be holed up in my shop than I have but I bet I could smoke those guys in a round of "all up, last down" and that's what is most important... to me. ;)

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RIGHT ON!

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Tilemaster invented the term masters. Altough I do have a place on Mario's site and I do feel flattered to be amongst other great modelers I never see my self as a master in modeling...my 2 cents

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Are you game for a round of all up, last down?;)

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Would this game have anything to do with the consumption of grain-based liquids?


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Golly Herbert...the "infusion" shown is Jose Cuervo tequilla and it is not made from grains but agave cactus! Pure-deee nasty stuff (I know) which made me act crazie and Missy take the car keys away. However, the golden liquid is indeed from the Websites of the Masters...master distillers. Now, we're back on point here.

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Is it a kinda drinking contest L::us:

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Now there may be a drinking game called "All up last down" but I ain't never played it. Heck, I haven't played a drinking game since I was a snot nosed kid. The game I was referring to is one where everybody launches their R/C gliders within 2 seconds of each other and the last plane to land wins.

I wouldn't mind a small sippin' glass of some Patron Silver after we're all done.

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We have a couple of "games" that are played here--skeet, trap, and sporting clays. Involves shooting at clay disks flung into the air, with a shotgun.

Wonder if the two sports can be combined-----:doh:


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I use to shoot skeet and trap competitively... In another lifetime. I haven't picked up a shotgun in years.

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OK, I think after viewing those web sites I would consider myself a Model Railroad enthusiast who dabbles into model and scratch building....LoL

They are very very impressive layouts.

I too would not want to be in my shop that long for that level of detail work.  I enjoy building the layout and running it.  Funny that you are right on about in real life the trains don't run as near as much as real life does around you...  Great thinking!!

Although I can see viewing those sites the areas I need a lot more improvement on...but for now I'm loving building trains!!!!

Ryan

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Well, Ryan. I just went to your website and I have to say, if your aren't a master, you're at least doing a pretty good job of imitating one.

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Mike,  Thank you very much for that compliment, although I am very far from that level of detail.  A "master of your domain" as Seinfeld put it, would be better suited...LoL

I have tried to model using just the materials I had found around the house that are used for other things besides modeling.  Trying not to purchasing anything fancy to get the look I was going for.  Most if not all of my buildings cost me pennies in material. That is what I like to inspire to,  create models from next to nothing or realizing what other means a "toothpick, aluminum foil or a milk container" may have.

I model for my pleasure and my relaxation, my decompression from work my wife says.  It does give me pleasure when others enjoy what I have done, and maybe they get an idea to pursue themselves.

Glad that you enjoyed my website Mike, and thank you again for making my head grow two times as large. My wife will thank you too......:thumb:

You know anyone can do exquisite work it involves two things = time/patience

My Dad always said I did not use the patience God gave me ...  I would still agree with him :cool: and well once I got married... 20 years ago,  L:  time for "me" is measured in just a few minutes a day.

Thoughts of a under worked Model Railroader...Who likes to play with his trains....Ryan

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And excellent thoughts they are, Ryan!

Your site proves that you do not have to spend what sometimes amounts to a couple hundred dollars on a structure kit to end up with a very credible model.

Well done!

Herb 

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Thank you Herb,  That means a lot to me coming from such a well educated and defined artist  in this hobby we call Model Railroading.

:bow:

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Well said Ryan

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Thanks guys!

But I'm just another model railroad nut like any other FreeRailer. When I can help, I try to. When I model, I try to do my best. When I see modeling better than mine, I drool.

Just like any one else here----

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I think the term "master" is almost as misused as "artist". It's for others to describe someone as either, but although I've been a professional modelmaker since I was 16, pushing 50 years ago, I am happy with the term "craftsman".
My dad was a craftsman plumber and could turn his hand to almost anything at that level, My paternal grandfather was a top cabinet maker, producing work for two of England's finest shops. My maternal grandfather was a grainer and marbler, who could recreate the marble of any quarry in Italy using just goose feathers or any wood with a set of the strangest brushes you ever saw (which I now have). Grandad 1 made his own stains and polishes, Grandad 2 made his own paints. My Dad and Uncle made their own first cars. They all had a gentle pride in their abilities, but I doubt the word "master" ever occurred to them. They just did what they did to a level that most others would never reach. I try to do the same with modelmaking and technical illustration, my two trades. Please don't call what I do a work of art. Art in the wider field now includes pickled, bisected calves in tanks and stinking, rancid, unmade beds. I have no desire to join that group of fakers!
I have my idea of who the very best were, but most on here wouldn't know of them. But if you're after a google-fest, try George Iliffe Stokes, Geoff Pember and Gordon Gravett. Finish off with J.K. "Jack" Nelson, (one of my personal mentors when I was a teenager) and you'll have an idea of where I am coming from. All the above come/came from a "make do and mend" attitude, as do I.

Basically, I am with Woodie's earlier post.

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Clay target shooting . Now that takes me back about 35 years.

Had to give it away when I got married and kids arrived. I could no longer afford the shells.

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It is odd that both US and Oz modellers seem to choose the same generic mix of layout whilst applying the term 'master'

After thirty-five years of dragging layouts around the continent, I have seen very few 'masters' of their craft, there have been some gifted craftsmen but very few that have pushed the boundaries.

Rather than name those who I consider to be at the top of the pile, I would nominate the American guy who built the rope operated incline in the 70s as being the first of those who took innovative risks and a high degree of realism rather than those modellers who fill every inch of the space with track and architectural whimsy.

Other 'masters' include a guy, mentioned by Martin, who has ignored the established scales to build one of the great layouts in 1:50 - Pempoul, along with Emmanuel Nouallier's work is amongst the finest.

Finally I leave you with a layout which will be one of the greatest ever built: Adventure in Miniature certainly one which is out of everyone's comfort zone but I just think that there something beyond trees and mines when it comes to rusty rails.

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Amazing--Simply amazing. Having the telly flicker is the crowning touch. And he still has time to sell circuit boards.

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Like the Pempoul a lot, Nouallier what shal we say, incredible work but so is Marcel Ackle, never seen a complete layout of Emmanuel..

And Huib well a great builder but to clean IMO...kind person tho..

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Apart from the very typically run-down French look to Pempoul, I'm not a big fan of it. I find it a bit...well, empty.
Now, Gordon Gravett is a lovely bloke and a very fine modeller, as is Maggie, but I think they could have done something so much more impressive with a different subject. Of course it's all subjective. I don't care for foreign and least of all French subjects. Gordon and Maggie's Ditchling Green was a superbly observed bit of Southern Region, with a perfectly plausible bit of narrow gauge too. I can't say I was over-impressed by the Adventure in Miniature linked above. Way too clean, but Nouallier errs on the rather too decrepit for my tastes, a mistake which is often made these days. That, too is subjective, I realise, and he is certainly a talented fella. I particularly like his hand painted signage and use of simple methods and materials. That is what elevates him in my book. As to not building a layout, neither have I. Never had the space and time at the same time. Very likely, Emannuel is in the same boat, many are.

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Only wanted to say that not building a layout bur dioramas gives you way more time for detail..if I would do my 8 meter layout the way Emmanual works or Chuck I wouldn't be ready for shows in 10 years..

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Good point, Martin.
I've never been a show fan anyway, so that side of things has never bothered me.
As a professional modelmaker, I get very little time for my own stuff, so I keep scenery for just me. Then I can spend as much time as I like doing it. I find, after all these years, that I am getting a hint of burn-out!

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Marcel Ackle is my favorite: Great tutorials - great results - http://www.feldbahn-modellbau.ch - the best from Swizzerland.

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Now Herbert, you are indeed a master of what you do. I can't think of anyone more qualified to carry that name. I do have a comment or two about "masters". Over many years, I have seen many of the "masters"' works. Some built beautiful model railroads...which couldn't and wouldn't operate without problems. I have seen exquisite locomotives and cars built by fellows who have no place (nor desire to build) a place to run their creations. Masters of the electrical side of this hobby, most without either layout or equipment. Oh yes, there have been some "John Allen" types over the years who have done it all, but most of us are not in that rarified atmosphere that floats above our heads. Yes, I may be hyper-critical about this...I only know of one Master and he/she ain't got nothing to do with this hobby except for giving us the talent to do what we do. I don't sit at the computer looking for "inspiration" and I don't really find it in the printed word any more. I seem to get more inspired by seeing things that would fail to pass muster in a "serious" model contest, "masters" don't inspire me at all. The word is over used, maybe "greats" or "artists" would be a better term, there are many of those. Me? I am just a jack of all trades, master of none. Just what I like.
Wow, well said! I know people like you describe, they love to hold court at model train shows but I don't think any of them have ever built a layout other than a module or two...

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I am just a plodder.

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Woodie---thank you--but you hold me to a much higher standard than I think that I deserve. I'm just a person with too many hobbies. My only credo is to try to improve with each thing that I do. Some results don't come out as well as I would like --one experiment, making rivets larger to make them more noticeable, has never caused any comments pro or con, but those rivets annoy me no end every time that I look at them. One thing that I have had in my mind ever since getting interested in model railroading was that I would rather create an great scene than a perfect unit for that scene. I have never accomplished this. This is a skill that Mr Greene accomplishes with his eyes closed.

In the final chapter, what is important is-- was the time spent worthwhile TO YOU. A minor plus is-- are you are proud of the results? Except for those doing it for a living (and being ill compensated for their time-BTDT*) what we are doing is an exercise for the mind and to a much lesser extent, the body.

If you aren't having fun, why do it?

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I'll tell you a little story. Years ago, a buddy & I attended an NMRA regional convention and went on a layout tour. We had all sorts of "badges & tags" hanging on our shirts-meaning that we knew how to behave. We went to "the best layout" in the state, one built by rocket scientists and engineers with lots of money thrown in to make it a "masterwork"...something we just had to see. We walked in the door and got confronted by a shriveled little dude who curtly said "DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING" and walked away. We did just that, walked away, back to the car. Whatta bunch of jerks! We then went to visit a fellow who had a 5 by 10 On30 layout he was working on inside a screened-in porch. he had probably spent all the money he could on this and it was pretty cool. We stayed there three hours talking and looking at his scratchbuilt structures and RTR locos & cars. This guy was a "master" and didn't tell us he was. we had the best time at his place...it more than made up for the "masterwork" that we didn't see.
Who was the "master" then, the rich, educated dudes who built the best that money could buy or the blacksmith who spent a little and had fun making most of his layout by himself?
Update-The rich guys lost their "lease" and had to take down their toys, the other guy still has his layout and it is still 5 by 10 and runs on the porch.

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I'll tell you a little story. Years ago, a buddy & I attended an NMRA regional convention and went on a layout tour. We had all sorts of "badges & tags" hanging on our shirts-meaning that we knew how to behave. We went to "the best layout" in the state, one built by rocket scientists and engineers with lots of money thrown in to make it a "masterwork"...something we just had to see. We walked in the door and got confronted by a shriveled little dude who curtly said "DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING" and walked away. We did just that, walked away, back to the car. Whatta bunch of jerks! We then went to visit a fellow who had a 5 by 10 On30 layout he was working on inside a screened-in porch. he had probably spent all the money he could on this and it was pretty cool. We stayed there three hours talking and looking at his scratchbuilt structures and RTR locos & cars. This guy was a "master" and didn't tell us he was. we had the best time at his place...it more than made up for the "masterwork" that we didn't see.
Who was the "master" then, the rich, educated dudes who built the best that money could buy or the blacksmith who spent a little and had fun making most of his layout by himself?
Update-The rich guys lost their "lease" and had to take down their toys, the other guy still has his layout and it is still 5 by 10 and runs on the porch.

In all fairness, the 'rich guys' probably had people playing claw machine on their layout before. I've seen it on a NMRA tour in the past, where people you'd assume wouldn't touch stuff were as bad as children. Kind of like how gun accidents are often done by people who should know better (like cops and military people), I've seen some terrible behavior on layout tours from folks who you'd never expect.
But yeah, you never say you're a master at anything. People tell that OF YOU, it's not something you tell of yourself. That's why I disagree with the MMR program as it gives the title to people who jumped through the hoops. Some with the MMR designation simply aren't very good modelers.
As for the porch guy, you called it that he didn't toot his own horn but you thought his work was very good.
I've had a (very) few people visit my layout and try to flatter me with similar phrases, but I disagree with most of them. I don't see myself as a very good modeler because what I build hardly ever turns out like I'd envisioned originally.
But I bet porch guy had much more satisfaction from the hobby as the rich guys. I've known people with really good, massive layouts who just didn't enjoy the hobby all that much.

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Yep Lee, I understand about the damages to layouts on tour. It was just this guy walked up & said what he did instead of saying "nice to have ya'll here, have fun, and remember to not touch." Your layout looks to be a masterpiece in the making...just don't let it go to your head! LOL
(I really mean it about masterpiece)

Have fun & run a train today...
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Yep Lee, I understand about the damages to layouts on tour. It was just this guy walked up & said what he did instead of saying "nice to have ya'll here, have fun, and remember to not touch."
Fair enough, Woodie. I agree that was hardly the way to welcome someone to the layout.
People get so deep into a hobby, they forget why they're doing it. I think those guys sound exactly like the sort I mean...

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Having "facilitated" NMRA visits for Nationals, I have to tell you some of these "guys" are the worst at touching/breaking. I was amazed. The layout was quite a ways away and it was a bus tour. Suddenly 40 guys exploded on the scene and some (just a few) created bedlam. Most visitors were courteous, but the two or three really made it a tough hour. I could understand the fellow's curtness if he were putting up with this for 3-4 hours. But, at the same time, I wouldn't do it that way, I tend to try to be friendly before I become cranky. I think that I would have been put off too.

I have visited/operated many layouts and can tell you that for me, some of the most fun layouts to operate are not always the "master" layout. For me, the challenge is having an engaging operation vs. scenery. That said, some folks are jazzed by incredible scenery and are not much into operations. I like a balance of both, and love eye candy scenery, but if I am to stay for any length of time, give me some challenging operations.

So, for me, a true "master" combines both. I was once approached by a coordinator to become an MMR when the program first started and I thought the same thing. Hmmm, am I better than others? Nope, we all have our own strengths and weaknesses. So let's just enjoy what each of us brings to the table. I guess that was what drew me to RPM meets so long ago. It was peer review.

I can't wait to get my layout room up to speed so that I can share my fun with everyone, 'cause I certainly enjoy everyone else's here!. I only have room for painting figures right now.

I will take this moment to plug the Great Divide Narrow Gauge Meet in Roanoke, VA April 1, 2017! Hint, hint - Tweetsie! We get some great modelers from VA/NC. I would call some "masters."

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I have visited/operated many layouts and can tell you that for me, some of the most fun layouts to operate are not always the "master" layout. For me, the challenge is having an engaging operation vs. scenery. That said, some folks are jazzed by incredible scenery and are not much into operations. I like a balance of both, and love eye candy scenery, but if I am to stay for any length of time, give me some challenging operations.Yep, so many people get hung up with ONE aspect of the hobby, they fail to account for the others. Frankly, good operations (and track than works well) is primary for me, but I also want something 'cool' to look at.
Most modelers have a 'Meh' mindset to their own layouts because it NEVER turns out like you hope it will. Anyone who's too impressed with their own work is usually someone I don't have the time to deal with.
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I can't wait to get my layout room up to speed so that I can share my fun with everyone, 'cause I certainly enjoy everyone else's here!. I only have room for painting figures right now.
Yep, I never thought I'd have this layout, as I have a room to myself in my house, but it had several tall book cases and other things I didn't think I could move. My wife allowed me to move a large structure into another room. Once that happened, I could then move the book cases into one part of the room next to the door. And once I realized I could move the layout into the center of the room, that changed everything! I was off and running once I got a decent grip on the track plan (my own website has more detail on this).
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I will take this moment to plug the Great Divide Narrow Gauge Meet in Roanoke, VA April 1, 2017! Hint, hint - Tweetsie! We get some great modelers from VA/NC. I would call some "masters."I'd love to go, but I live on the opposite coast. Just like the ET&WNC historical society annual meets, I can't justify a trip to this as it's almost impossible for me to get time off from work and I have two elderly parents who get really ticked if I come to the East coast and don't come to spend equal time with them...

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Sorry Lee, thought for sure a Tweetsie modeler would be near here. Went through Elizabethton a few weeks back and thought, I gotta ride that trail. I work outside of Damascus, VA near where the Hassinger Konnarock mill was. I can see why someone would want to model this area.


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