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 Posted: Thu Nov 12th, 2009 09:26 am
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Huw Griffiths
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The requirement for screens at the front of steam tram trailers was just one of a whole collection of regulations that British steam tram operators had to obey.

Quite a few of them seem to have been devised specifically to ensure they could never be viable.

Some were so ridiculous that they even passed into folklore - 2mph speed limit in towns - having to have some guy walking in front, carrying a red flag - a maximum of 2 trailers (which was why double deck, bogie cars became popular) - plus onerous requirements about steam and smoke emissions (which was why lots of them had roof condensers and ran on coke).

All in all, the only people who really stood to gain from this nonsense were the owners of horse tramways.

Rules on mainland Europe seem to have been a bit more sensible, with the result that steam trams got bigger and lasted longer. Here's a link to footage of a restored steam tram in Bern, Switzerland:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iax79ezuQPM

I'm not sure about the fake sepia effect and Scott Joplin soundtrack - but they're novel.

As for models, steam trams have been neglected by RTR manufacturers, especially in Britain. (I think you can safely ignore the toys with no interiors - but with silly faces, aimed at Th*m*s fans.)

For O-16.5, there are some very nice card kits of Kitsons, produced by Alphagraphix. Other than that, British steam tram modellers are abandoned - I'm sure there are commercial reasons, but it's very frustrating.

I guess I might end up scratchbuilding!

Regards,

Huw.

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 Posted: Thu Nov 12th, 2009 10:01 am
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Huw-see if you can find a Grandt Line STEAM DUMMY kit. This fine O scale superstructure is made to "cover" their On3.On30 Porter locos to make them more acceptable to "city operation". The dummy looks pretty much like the British tram lokies and may just be what you want. Also, the old San Francisco cable car in O scale is available again from Lindberg. You can find these by Hawk & Testors on the old kit tables. These kits can be "bashed" into a fine representation of a tram also.

In my scale, 1:35/1:32, Airfix made a beautiful old double decker bus used in WW1 London which can be used for this tram, but alas, there is no "dummy" body made in that scale.

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 Posted: Thu Nov 12th, 2009 10:53 am
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Huw-

A lot of interesting facts there, particularly since for years I have modeled American trolleys (your trams) in 1/48, even at one point making and selling white metal body kits. Getting away from that now, more into heavier electric and getting into R/C steam and diesel.

Thanks for sharing!


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 Posted: Thu Nov 12th, 2009 11:42 am
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Gentlemen,

Thanks for the helpful comments.

As you might have guessed, I've been doing some reading about steam trams (hence the stuff about the Locomotives Acts of 1861 and 1865). In fact, I quite enjoy this research stuff (and it comes a lot cheaper than messing up kits - but that's something I'm going to have to do sometime).

Thanks also for the kit suggestions. They look right up my street - I think I might be looking out for places in the UK that sell them.

I've also wondered about the Airfix "London B Type Bus" kit - as the basis for a railmotor (in a similar vein to Shefflex, Tartary, Verney or Irish NG). Not viable at present, as the kits aren't in the shops - but they re-release them every so often, so I'll keep my eyes open.

In case you're wondering why I've heard of the French companies, I'm currently re-reading this book:

The Light Railway Railcar in Western Europe  by  WJK Davies  ( Plateway Press - ISBN 1 871980 52 6 )

There'd be enough ideas in this book to keep me quiet for decades. I particularly like the scale drawings.

Rather neatly, it also brings us back to that lovely restored railmotor earlier in the thread.

Regards,

Huw.

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Just looked at the video again, and noticed the sign (I know what it means) between the tramway name and the coach number.

I usually can provide that service, when called for--even when not called for! :w:


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intersting stuff about the 4 cyl maxwell engine originally installed.

The 1916 thru 1925 maxwell was all the same thru those years. Chrysler  bought maxwell in 1924 and used that same 4 cyl motor in various chrysler models 1925--1928.

They changed the motor slightly for the introduction of the 1928 plymouth and that lasted until 1932 when the 4 cyclinder production ended.

The cylinder head gasket for all these years is basically the same with the exception of the size of a few water jacket holes , the cylinder bore remained the same. The 1929--1932 plymouth for some reason had the cylinder head rounded off on the top corners.

This info is from my prior life as GASKET KING COMPANY LIMITED specializing in 1909--1950 cylinder head gaskets , new original old stock.

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Mike~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Do you have a head  gasket for a 1997 Plymouth Voyager SE It's a little bit later than the mode;s you mentioned but you never can tell.

Just letting you knowyour messages are being read by all and sundry.

Cheers,

BC or muj

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 Posted: Thu Nov 19th, 2009 05:35 pm
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Sorry Mudge, i only carried headgaskets for the years 1909 to 1950 only.

What you want is available thru any auto parts jobber or store....pep boys and all those.  If you can get it easily over the counter, i would never come into your field of vision.

Its only when the parts guy looks you directly in the eye and laughingly says......."YOUR ASKING ME FOR WHAT YEAR" , then and only then would i possibly be your supplier.  Heck i did not even carry 1909--1950 ford gaskets because you could still get them over the counter.

I sold my complete old inventory of 30,000 + cylinder head gaskets in 1989 to a guy from port orchard washington, he became the new Gasket King and i retired at 44 years of age.

mike

 

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Mike~~~~~~~~~~

I was KIDDING!

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 Posted: Thu Nov 19th, 2009 11:59 pm
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Awwwww, Muj-you never kid anybody! You better watch out, I will post a photo of your new T shirt en Espanol.....Say goodnight, Gracie.

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