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Restored 70' McKeen Motor Car
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 Posted: Mon Feb 9th, 2009 12:08 am
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Mike said:
"If they are not putting the original acf hall scott motor in the McKeen, then they are not restoring it, they are hot rodding it. May as well leave the motor out and just pull it around for tourista stuff with a small diesel switcher."
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Mike, this is one of those times when you don't know what the Thong you are talking about. The original #22 V&T Motor Car had the standard McKeen gas motor / front truck. The Hall Scott what ever were much later. None of the original Motor / Truck units survived over time. Remember WW II and all the scrape drives. They have done what they could. I was told it will look like the original from the outside when they are finished.

Works for me.

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 Posted: Mon Feb 9th, 2009 12:47 am
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seeing as how i am not a McKeen expert nor do i want to be. It sounded to me from past postings like these things were hall scott equipted as i remember it was posted............but seems there are multiple varieties of these things.???????

So, if the motor was yanked out of this V & T one for ww2 scrap drive...question....what was put in here to motivate it until it was parked? And when was it parked. ??

What other info do we need to know to be up to date.

mike

 

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 Posted: Mon Feb 9th, 2009 01:56 am
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madmike3434 wrote:
seeing as how i am not a McKeen expert nor do i want to be. It sounded to me from past postings like these things were hall scott equipted as i remember it was posted............but seems there are multiple varieties of these things.???????

So, if the motor was yanked out of this V & T one for ww2 scrap drive...question....what was put in here to motivate it until it was parked? And when was it parked. ??

What other info do we need to know to be up to date.

mike

 


Mike,

Here is a time line of sorts for the #22 V&T McKeen:

Built in 1910.

1. Early McKeen Motor and front truck.


Taken out of service by 1945 and both front and rear trucks were scraped. The body was turned into a diner.

2. #22 McKeen as a Diner #1



3. #22 McKeen as Diner #2


4. How it looks today.



5. Eveything you needed to know could have been found in the first link if you had looked. That means following a couple of links within that link.

6. The gas electric power trucks were a late modification and only went into a few of the 70 foot McKeens. The number with that power truck may have been 10 or 12 but I don't have the count. The 70 foot - Brass - un-painted model I have uses that type of power truck.

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 Posted: Mon Feb 9th, 2009 03:17 am
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Mike-
 I am reasonably sure if ANY of the original Mckeen power trucks had survived they would have done everything that they could to get it back in action. The fact is that the McKeen truck/engine had a lot of problems and none survive. should the Smithsonian junk the Wright flyer because it has the engine from Bergdolls Wright plane?


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 Posted: Mon Feb 9th, 2009 09:50 pm
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Is it the same motor type ?

 

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 Posted: Mon Feb 9th, 2009 10:42 pm
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What a cherry loooking piece of work ! Very nice !:thumb:



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Bob Hitchcock wrote: What a cherry loooking piece of work ! Very nice !:thumb:
your specifically referring toooooooooo ????? mike

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 Posted: Tue Feb 10th, 2009 01:38 am
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Mike-

Same type, just a few years later "production" one. The original plane was cannibalized by the Wrights, to make following experiments. Years later, they scraped up all the old parts that they could find, and used them to "recreate" the plane, and sent the result to the Science Museum in England, because they were mad that the Smithsonian wanted to give Langley credit as the first. The plane came back to the US and went to the Smithsonian after WW2, only after the Wright heirs extorted an agreement from the Smithsonian, that even if other evidence came to light the question of the Wrights being the first would be supported by the Smithsonian

Read "History by Contract"  O'Dwyer & Randolph


Sorry, Hotshot, I know that this is off railroad topic.


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 Posted: Tue Feb 10th, 2009 01:56 am
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It is really to bad that the person who starts a thread can't delete replies.

If I could Mike, I would delete you out of here.

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 Posted: Tue Feb 10th, 2009 02:09 am
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Well, since that McKeen has been "degraded" by the use of a different motor, I suppose most of my locomotives are unworthy also. Most have Sagami motors and my Garratt has 2 motors from an old word processor. It is such a shame that I followed the examples set forth by the McKeen's restorers. I will just have to be content with my poor stable but realize that there are many others in the same situation. Shame on all of us for our transgressions.  On the flip side, the McKeen restorers did a great job and even if the car is "substandard"...at least it IS RUNNING and looks good. There are many pieces of old equipment with their original motors just sitting in a park rusting away. Maybe that's what it is all about-if it can't be "pure", then it must be destroyed! Hmmm...didn't Uncle Adolph promote that "belief"???

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