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 Posted: Mon Dec 28th, 2009 03:36 pm
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Great shots! Do you have more. Please post if you do. This is the stuff that make modeling fun.
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 Posted: Mon Dec 28th, 2009 05:06 pm
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Here are a couple more, the first is in a small Ghost town operated by the Empire Zinc Co. The thing I like about mortarless walls is that they are never straight or square:



The second one is the back wall of the Silver City Smelter, what is interesting is that it is very tall for mortarless wall, and that it is nearly perpendicular:



The third is my favorte narrow gauge-the 24" Imuris Mines railroad. When I was a young bucharoo I helped out during roundup on a friends ranch in the Sierra Madre and the railroad grade passed near the ranch. I've spent over 20 years lookng for a photograph of this railroad, I even posted a ONE MILLION (old) Peso reward down in ol Mexico, but still havent found a dagnabbed photo:



 

 



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 Posted: Mon Dec 28th, 2009 05:19 pm
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Here are a couple of old pics of attempts at modelling a retaining wall on my garage layout, basically just plaster carved with a dremel and untility knife. I tried to usse a watercolor wash, but that didnt work too well:



 



 



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 Posted: Mon Dec 28th, 2009 06:06 pm
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Wow! Nice rockwork there. You do good mountain scenery.

As to the retaining walls...all it looks like they need is some added depth...maybe a squirt of thinned black or something. With work that well done I'd be afraid of ruining it but those things can all usually be fixed with added coloring.

Also, I'm sure glad you just recently joined...and welcome, BTW...or people would think that a couple of us copied your Silver City cars. Both Woodie Greene and I are using similar cars on our 1/35th RRs. (See the Mogollon and Chisos threads for pics) My Chisos is just getting started but Woodie is well along.

The cars. Are they scratchbuilt? More info on your railroad please. We love pics and descriptions of fine work like that. 



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 Posted: Mon Dec 28th, 2009 06:25 pm
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The ore cars are by Firebox models, I still have over a dozen to assembly: For some reason Gerald from Firebox never offered them to the public (afaik). I agree with the model retaining wall lacking depth-that is the hard part. I havent tried to stack a wall piece by piece, but think it could work if you are a super-patient type of person.



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 Posted: Mon Dec 28th, 2009 09:50 pm
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elminero67 wrote: The ore cars are by Firebox models
Well, they certainly look nice...maybe better than scratchbuilding every one of 'em. I take it they are resin kits?

Woodie and I talked about maybe coming up with a mold for the main body but I haven't played with the idea yet. Maybe it's time...

As to the retaining walls...a spray bottle filled with an alcohol and india ink solution might do the trick. I also know that there are brown inks out there that you could try.



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 Posted: Wed Dec 30th, 2009 09:07 pm
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Duane-that is some fine scenery, looks just like it should.Personally, I think the retaining walls look OK, maybe a little more earth tone to blend them in, but fine by me.  The SCPA&M ore cars are cool, Sullivan wants more cars on his line while I have enough trucks for 3 more, giving my railroad 19 ore cars...enough to crowd the yards and mines. Of course, our cars are 1:35 scale...nobody would see any profit in making cars commercially for that scale anyway.

It was nice to hear from you last week on the chat, maybe we can "hog" the chat sometime with SW extra narrow gauge blather.       Woodie 



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 Posted: Thu Dec 31st, 2009 05:57 pm
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In the case of the retaining walls and carving them in plaster or hydrocal. Best to do all the colouring flat on the bench and then inserting the wall into the scene. Colouring hydrocal with thinned alco & ink washes applied direct to each stone is easy to do and gives a great finish .

I have a very large O scale brick wall , actually 3 diff ones that are 4 1/2" x 8", that come with various levels of distress. One is real bad with brick line sags and all that. A trains of texas wall. I sell these.

I also have a couple of 3 1/2 x 9 prancing pony of texas random block stone wall that could be used as a retaining wall. Its pretty shaky looking.

lastly i like to build my own from wood. Take a SCALE 6"x6"x15" long basswood piece , score it with your zona saw to distress it . The treat with alco ink wash or fiebings leather  dye and alco.   The glue it to some .55 thick cardstock, black side out. after you hacvve laid out however long you want the length to be, then cut and apply short lengths of posts sticking outwards spaced 4--6 feet apart. Then add another run of 6x6x15 on top then more posts and so on , until you have reached the height you need. Prototypically thats how i have seen them built  ?

While still flat on work bench put white glue into open spaces and place small stones and dirt into glue and let dry. If you want to apply some grass and weeds using woodland scenics stuff , or stretch some foliage over an area to similate a vine, go ahead,  it all looks good.

variety in retaining walls is what makes your layout interesting to both you and your visitors.  This applies to diorama builders also.

 

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Duane, beautiful work.  I really like the scenes.  I also like the mortarless fit stone walls, and found some along Apache Trail in central Arizona I will post photos of.

The crumbly granite of my railroad's section of the Sonora Desert doesn't lend itself to wall building, but a convenient limestone quarry served to supply material for a cut stone retaining wall.  I had some time over the Christmas / New Years break, and built a long stone retaining wall for the layout:



The wall is made of about 2,200 cut travertine blocks, individually placed and stained.



Here, mining nearby has caused the earth to shift, requiring some reinforcement to prevent the wall from collapsing on the switchback lead below.



These are blocks I purchased in sheets at Lowe's tile department.  I separated them from the nylon backing, boiled them to soften the glue, picked off the glue, and then glued them to the styrofoam roadbed supporting the switchback trackage when dry.  I then stained them with a wash of dirty gray.




There's still a bit more to do, but I am glad the heavy lifting is done!  :cb:


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 Posted: Tue Jan 5th, 2010 02:15 am
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Here are some photos of retaining walls on the Apache Trail, central Arizona.



 



 




This road was used to haul construction equipment to build Roosevelt Dam in the early 1900s.  Can't you just imagine a little narrow gauge roadbed here? 

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