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 Posted: Sun Apr 12th, 2009 08:54 pm
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It is very common to see multiple rights-of way at different levels in mining districts, and I wanted to re-create a scene similar to this along the Coronado Railroad following Chase Creek:



The Coronado 20" gauge is down by the creek, with the Shannon Arizona 3-foot gauge above.  A highway is located above the SARR. 

I have recently added a modest switchback and branch line climbing around the room clockwise to an upper level.  Here is the start of the switchback:



Click here to see more images of the branch line so far:  http://members.cox.net/eaniner/tour.htm 

Now that I have lots of retaining walls to build I will be exploring different ways to create convicing stone and timber walls.  I would like to hear what others have used that has worked well for them, and will share what turns out well for me as I experiment with them.



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 Posted: Mon Apr 13th, 2009 03:33 am
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Your switchbacks are great! Rock retaining walls will be very nice and will be in keeping with the nature of the line you are modeling. I have a couple of wooden crib walls like the Gilpin had and rock walls also. The photo of Chase Creek is cool indeed. I was out in Clifton a couple of years ago and the winding roads follow the old Shannon Arizona grades, you can see the Coronado grades up on the hill sides. A great place to be if you are into "extra narrow gauge" and mining. Thanks.  Woodie



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 Posted: Mon Apr 13th, 2009 02:32 pm
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looks like you have some madmike3434 tom yorke re-issue buildings in your town near the end of the layout pictures.

Do i see skellys corner bar, lakeside grocery and the grand bank ?  All unpainted but assembled.

mike

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 Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 03:00 am
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:) One option that has worked well for a number of projects is to take extruded foam, either pink or blue foam and actually draw rock work into the surface of it. You can get it at building supply places or some housing sites. It is usd for insulation on foundations. It comes in various thicknesses and can be sliced as thin as needed. The process is to layout the coarses of stone with a fine marker then use a Bic pen, or an object with with a small round tip to deepen your previous lines. You are almost making a master for casting except that once you have drawn/carved into the foam you can paint a slurry coat of hydrocal over it just to give the suface a coat to except paint or stains as you would use on a cast wall. Just don't paint the hydrocal on real thick or you loose your definition. With a little practice you can make very easy rock walls. Great part is that it is very cheap. A side note after seeing the pic, is that a new book just came out called "Black Smoke and White Iron". It is full of photos and descriptions of coke operations and some foundrys in Colorado from  the late 1800's to early 1900.

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 Posted: Wed May 6th, 2009 04:28 pm
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Thanks, Woodie!  That's the look I am shooting for here...stone with perhaps some timber cribbing here and there for variety.

Mike, that's a complete line of the Frijoles Flats adobe structures, the Cantina, Mercantil and Groceria, and a Tony's Garage.  Also on the street out of view will be your re-issued Pool Hall (built as the town's hotel with adjoining assay office), Jail (adapted Groceria including banditos busting their friend out of jail), Mining Supply, Territorial Epitaph, and Company Store (Stone Mill Models Golden Pipe smoke shop).  That's a lot of building to do!

Clif, I really like your idea and will give it a try!  I didn't want to carve plaster, but the thin wash would give the styrofoam texture.  I might even try using Kilz on the foam, a primer paint that has some texture to it, and wouldn't require mixing.  Thanks for the suggestion!

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 Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 11:27 pm
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:) MinerFortyNiner

Here is another webs site to check out if you get the time. 

 Pacificcoastairlinerr.com/whats_new/

When you get there go to page two for a long list of online clinics and scroll down to the March 1, 2007 article. It is on making logs for retaining walls. It looks pretty simple and easy. It may be of some help in your quest for retaining walls. The other articles are really good also. I am planing on doing the method on a drop in section on my layout. 

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I liked your idea here, been thinking of something like it in the near future. Just getting back into the hobby after about 20 years. 1st i want to get my stuff out of boxes and run all of it on a practice track. Then build the big stuff like this. Happy railroading!:thumb:



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Just stumbled on your post on one of my favorite topics, retaining walls and thought I'd share a few pics from years of stumbling along ROWs: A couple of things I noticed that nearly all narrow gauge retaining walls in the Southwest were made of native rock gathered very near the wall-the Silver City line tried to use quarried limestone from a quarry they owned, but then again they went out of business shortly afterwords....Here is a mortarless retaining wall on the Little Fanny tramway in Mogollon:



If memory serves me the rock at Mogollon is a volcanic rhyolite or something like that, but the point is it does not stack well, and does not have a flat "faces" that make it easier to work with as a mason, or to model 



The rocks on Helvetia narrow gauge near Tucson 
 stack better and have more variety of color.



Above: Another mortarless wall at the Little Fanny Tramway as it passes through the compant town, its been a while but I believe this was a morphisized dolomite mix.


Some of the best work I've seen is on the Coronado Railways twin in Mexico, the Moctezuma Copper Co: Notice the bright colors of the copper sulphides that are common in mining areas
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Concrete generally became available as soon as the town was connected to the outside world with a railroad, but it was expensive and generally used for stamp mill foundations and other essential uses until the 1920s and 1930s. Here is another retaining wall on the Moctezuma narrow gauge built circa 1930. in the ghost town of Pilares de Nacozari, the Moctezuma Copper narrow gauge ran on top of the retaining wall:



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WOW-the old retaining wall at the Little Fanny mine above Mogollon is super. Hopefully you visited the old town (you did take the photo, yes?). That tramway was the only railroad trackage in the area. Down in Silver City, there are still retaining walls like that and smelter foundations at Chloride Flat. Great photos, but when you mentioned Mogollon...I just HAD to respond.        Woodie



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 Posted: Mon Dec 28th, 2009 01:00 am
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Also, it should be noted that in the third photo, that's one of Woodies previous motor homes---The current one is much more presentable.


Super photos!! :glad: :glad:

Herb  :old dude:



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