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 Posted: Thu Aug 6th, 2009 04:44 pm
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After read various articles and manuals on DCC, not only has not understood as the equipment to connect, but also has ceased to understand which equipment it is necessary to get and in what quantity (well unless, except base station).

For the garden railway has decided to buy DCC equipment Lenz. In addition, for movement automation - operating modules Dispatcher from Russian company Modelldepo (http://www.modelldepo.ru/dcc/index.php?current_folder=21 (the description only in Russian)).

Please, help to make the scheme of connection of the equipment, division into the sites isolated (block) and the list of necessary components. All stages on garden rr single-line, even in that case when ways go in parallel. All signals on the track scheme are assumed by the operating.

Also advise, please, software for Windows (or Linux, as a variant) for management garden rr and performance of various operations. It is desirable, with connection possibility (or changes) a language file.

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 Posted: Fri Aug 7th, 2009 02:07 am
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You're quite far north to have a garden railroad, and running it with a DCC system could be problematic.

I'm guessing you are using G scale (LGB type) equipment? G has a lot of space to put Radio Control and battery systems that do not require track power and can run for several hours on a charge. Lenz might even make such a system if i remember correctly.

Parts from remote control cars would need little modification or downsizing to be installed in G scale equipment if you're willing to solder a few wires and cut a few others. :thumb:

If you are set on using DCC the diagram on that page shows the basic idea, the power station connects to the tracks, and power is sent around the line (preferably with feeder wires every few feet off a main power bus +/- ).

When a DCC equipped locomotive is placed on the tracks it gets power but will not go until it recieves a digital signal via the rails to give the motor power. Lights, sound, and other things can be controlled via a throttle or base station.

Decoders come in two types, stationary and mobile. Mobile decoders are what you put in locomotives to control movement, lights, sound, etc. Each locomotive needs one decoder. Stationary decoders can control switches, signals, accessories, etc.

Not sure what's involved in connecting DCC to PC's but i'm sure the manufacturer provides the software in one form or another.

Hope this has helped and not confused you further heh. :Crazy::)

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 Posted: Fri Aug 7th, 2009 03:45 am
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That's a good layout for outdoors.

I agree 100% with ytter_man that Radio Control and battery power would be the better choice for outdoors, You do not have the power pick-up problems and get to run trains instead of cleaning track over and over again. Track power could still be used for powering turnouts etc.

We have members that ONLY use R/C with batteries and if you want more information I am sure they would be happy to help, just ask.

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 Posted: Fri Aug 7th, 2009 02:39 pm
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ytter_man wrote:
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Thanks. But described I already know all just under different articles and manuals, but it does not give understanding about practical use. How to make connection. One buster is necessary or a more. How optimum to break track into sites. As should be made the isolation joint - as simply cut on rails or the unpowered small piece of a track. On what distance to establish the feedback decoder before traffic lights and arrows.....

About - "far north"..... At us where I live, the climate is similar to Chicago or Detroit. =)

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 Posted: Sat Aug 8th, 2009 12:04 am
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DCC doesnt require you to make isolated block sections, all the track is powered +/- when the system is on. I think that's what you're talking about?

As for decoders (busters?) one is required for each locomotive. Some come factory-equipped with decoders, the instructions included with the loco and the DCC system should explain the basics of hook-up and operation. :thumb:

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I am somewhat backward and ignorant of dcc equipment but I will ask the question. Why would you build a large scale outdoor train layout and use power from the rails? Radio control is so much better outdoors and there is no wiring. You can build whatever track design you want, any length you want, anything...and not have any problems. Radio control is a good bit cheaper to buy and a great deal easier to install in large scale locomotives. There are some good systems available just for garden railway use and if they seem to cost a bit, one could always use inexpensive radio systems for autos and boats. If you are still wanting to use dcc for a garden railroad then maybe I am just sending this note into cyberspace but I do feel that you should investigate ALL options before settling on a power system that will surely cause problems down the line. Outdoor trains and wiring are not made for each other. You may do what you want and that is fine, just remember that when you are scrubbing rails down to get good power pickup and searching for a loose wire somewhere buried under the track and cleaning locomotive wheels just to run a train that there is another way. Please don't take what I write as the last word or get the idea that I am promoting some product. I am promoting an idea that has proven itself for many years now. If I didn't use r/c in my trains, I would still give this same advice. Just have fun with your trains, with radio control I believe you will.    Woodie



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 Posted: Fri Nov 13th, 2009 04:00 pm
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The LENZ could be a better source of information. Anyway, I have a question, how do you plan to run your layout? Maybe you could find control features for your garden railroad that are digital command control. Lastly, I guess the best thing to do is to hire someone who knows it best to avoid possible waste of energy and money.




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I have just finished running Fn3 in my garden - using a Lenz 100 set. It comes with a 5 amp transformer, a control unit and a hand set.

I found I didnt need to section my railway, it was about 100 feet long and 25 ft across, a total trackage of around 250 ft. I only ran Bachmann locos, using Lenz, Tsunami decoders.

You need to look at what locos you will be using, because ones such as Aristocraft need a lot of power to get them moving. If you double head you will use double the amount of power, thereby negating the use of DCC, in other words you will only be able to run one loco at a time, because of power usage.

I simply ran a bus power run, of two wires around my track and came off with slightly smaller cable every 5 foot, that way you will always have power. Ive never used RC - and therfore no nothing much about it, although I believe its good for large railroads

 You are also much better ensuring that you solder each joint out on your railroad, for that you will need at least a 100 watts Soldering Iron, maybe even larger where you live


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