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Here is a little piece that shows how the Mogollon Railway's Garratt takes a couple of ore cars from the smelter to a couple of mines and then runs light to the enginehouse.



#4 is turned at the smelter and after taking on water, is ready for work.



The loco is between 2 ore cars, the front car is coupled with a 10 foot pole. The train now leaves the smelter bound for the mines.



The train crosses the Silver Creek bridge along the way, here the 10 foot pole can be clearly seen.



The old Gilpin Tramway ore car belongs to the Devil's Own mine and is the only car they allow on their property. #4 backs the worn out car into the siding and under the tipple.



The Out-Law mine is then switched using the 10 foot pole. The clearances are too close for a locomotive to push the car in. The loco will leave the pole attached to the car which will now be loaded.



#4 now runs light to the enginehouse for the evening.



The locomotive nears the enginehouse......



and is turned before being run inside the enginehouse.

The scenes you are viewing really happened, the locomotive actually did the switching moves, nothing was staged for the camera. This is just one of the many operations on the Mogollon Railway. It is now time for a couple of beers at the Bloated Goat.              Woodie

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Woodrow :-

You spin a good yarn, actually a bloody good yarn.

The pictures are pretty good also.

I liked the way you mixed the pictures with just enough text, it added that little bit extra to the overall presentation.

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Yes Don, I agree- but I think that you overlooked a very important point.

While doing all this, Woodie showed remarkable self control- he never mentioned power or loco control once.

Either self control----or???

Now he's got me worried!

Herbie:old dude:

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OK Herb-I was just having fun in the sun without making any political comments. There are many more operations that I will expose in the future and some that I haven't even figured out yet. Along the way, that crazy explosives car will be involved in another tableaux. Hasta la vista...........................Woodie

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I always love your operations threads woodie :thumb:

That Garratt doesnt look too out of place at all.

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Woodie wrote:

"#4 now runs light to the enginehouse for the evening."

Dear Mr. Greene,

I wish to seek employment on your railroad. I see by the shadows in the yard that you end your workday at around noon to allow your enginemen to socialize. Obviously you have developed the management skills for keeping enthusiasm high.

 

As always a great tale and wonderful shots of the Mogollon.


 

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Alright, James...so the crew knocks off early for a big night. Actually, there were only 2 cars needed this day and the management pays the same whether it is a 3 hour day or an 18 hour day. Pretty good job, right?  Now that the hoist mechanism is working, there will be more operations from beyond the Gila Rim.

                 yuk yuk...Woodie

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The hoist mechanism has been rebuilt and can now lower 2 or 3 ore cars to the mines on the low line and can bring at least 2 loaded cars back up to the high line for the run to the smelter. This operation takes about 5 actual minutes to go up or down and gives the crews time to take a short break.



Shay #1 brings the empties to the hoist where they are hooked up to the cable to be lowered. Auto "traffic" on Camino del Luna comes to a stop while this happens.



The two cars are being lowered.



Down the hill, #2 Rudy waits for the ore cars. Notice the wrecked cars and debris, this is a most dangerous operation.



Rudy spots the ore cars at the Lost Scotchman Mine to be loaded. The low line runs to the Gila Cliff dwellings and the ore cars need to be loaded quickly and taken back up before Gila Tram's tourist train arrives.  After this run, the crew needs a long break!         Woodie
PS-I will show how I built the hoist in another few days. If anyone is interested, get a dpdt toggle switch, a AA battery holder for 2 batteries (3 volts), an old r/c car or plane servo, and some assorted junk to make the capstan and hoist line. This is relatively easy to build and makes a great operational addition.

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It just gets better and better...

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Next up will be a bit about how to switch an explosives car on an extreme grade and the Mogollon's grade "brakes" exposed. Right now, the railroad's locos are being fitted with oil tanks and dealing with fuel supplies will become an operational consideration. Another excuse for more tank cars.

                                          Woodie

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Beautiful stuff!!  I'm curious as to how they get the watermellons to grow amongst the trackwork in such a dry climate.

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Russ-this is a fantasy...the melons can grow just about anywhere. The "real story" is that the melons are seeds from one of the trees which cover the yard. Running an outdoor railroad is always an adventure. Seems that I can clean everything off and by the time I get a camera going, there is more crap which appears. So, I will stick with the story that melons grow everywhere here and the locals have plenty to eat.

Woodie

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Russ-

Woodie doesn't know it, but Peach Head has a little cannon that he fires those things at the train


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What Woodie does know is that Peach Head likes to recline on the smelter, resting his widdle head on the rotary dump. Guess I will plant cactus up there, he hates cactus.         Woodie

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Here's the next installment on switching the mines. In this little expose', a couple of ore cars are loaded at a mine and taken to be dumped at the rotary. Here's the action.



A plastic spoon is used to load the "ore" into the cars. All the tipples are open so as to be able to operate this way.



Shay #1 pulls the loaded cars with a 10 foot pole upgrade to the smelter.



#1 brings the 2 cars to the rotary dumper.  The cars are uncoupled on the passing siding in preparation for the unloading routine.



#3 Rosa takes on water before doing the rotary duties. Either Rosa or #2 Rudy work the smelter. Rosa will need to be turned before dumping so the engineer can see what he's doing.



Here, Rosa pushes one car at a time into the rotary using a "rooster" pole which has to be removed during the dumping procedure. Shay #1 waits for the empties and will take them back to the mines.



Here you can see a car being dumped in the rotary. The "ore" falls into the crusher and then is fed into the furnace. *the ore falls through the scene and is caught in a plastic box below the layout, then it will be reused* Taking a 4 car train to the smelter, dumping and then hauling the empties back to the mines may take a couple of hours. After a day of this, a visit to the Goat or Gila Hotel is in order. This is another adventure from beyond the Gila Rim.            Woodie 

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Great pictures Mr G---I don't think I've "met" Rosa before --where has she been hiding?


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Herbie-little Rosa is the third #3..something about that number! She is (was) a Bachmann On30 0-4-0t Porter which I had forgotten about & found in Muj's garage. Rosa was the very first r/c locomotive I did in On30. I used her board for another loco and she just sat in a dusty box until the brouhaha about Bachmann ending this loco's run (the 0-4-0t). With a new Losi board, 7.4 volts of power, a new 1:35 cab and 4 wheel tender, she's another favorite.  Rosa's engineer has been at the throttle of all 3 #3 locos. Is that enough BS for ya?            Woodrow 

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Good eye Herb!

I thought Rosa was different, and that she was just one I had missed along the way in Woodies postings.

Great work Woodie, obviously she slid right in and looks right at home. :thumb:

I like how you set up the tipples to act as funnels for loading the ore, another great idea from the past, dusted off with a new light shined upon it. :cool:

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Beautiful work sir! Your rock work is excellent. The plastic spoon looks so real!

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Switching the mines has not occured in the past couple of weeks, maybe swimming to the mines would be a better idea! As soon as the sun comes back out for a while, there will be more foolishness to report. Since the line is becoming "modernized" with oil burners, a new oil tank car has been built and will be part of some new operations. more is coming soon, don't touch that dial!        Woodie

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Great Stuff:apl::apl: What did you start with for your bashed Garret? What scale did it end up as? Do you have a trackplan for your outdoor empire? How do you keep the critters away or have you found any additional groundcover added from birds? It would be great to see how you came up with the outdoor ideas and how you've made it work. Anyway it's great and would like to to see it in person. KInd of like looking at Grand canyon pics until you see it in person.

                                                  :)Clif Korlaske

                         

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Gee Clif-in the narrow gauge section, there is a bunch of stuff about the railroad, the Garratt, a track plan, and plenty of other stuff. Basically, I build in 1:35 scale (military scale) using 16.5MM gauge so it is 35n2. The Garratt is this scale and is a "copy" of K1, the first Garratt...if one was built for a Mexican mining road and then sold to a New Mexico mining road. Switching the mines is an ongoing thing which I haven't added any new stuff for a couple of months. But, there is lots more to come. If I can answer any more questions, feel free to ask.      Woodie

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OK, now we're rollin'... Sullivan has built 5 ore cars and I have 3 in the shop and more to come. As soon as the Dallas weather returns to a "stable" near freezing temp but without rain/sleet/snow, there will be full scale operations on the Mogollon Railway. During the mine shutdown, the ore cars are loaded but can't make it to the smelter till the weather clears. There are new "wrinkles" also-oil tank car movements, insulated boxcar movements,  new equipment to be moved into the smelter, and of course that crazy dynamite car in "the mix".  There hasn't been any talk here for a while, but soon.... get ready!            Woodrow

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I had these photos showing a little action with oil service. The Mogollon Railway has converted it's locos to oil and now movements with an oil tank car have been incorporated into the scheme. The tank car is filled from a tank truck down at the yards and then begins it's journey to the smelter where it will fill the oil tank there.



The tank car is being pushed up the line with Shay #1 and a 10 foot pole. In the foreground is the Boquillas Prismoidal Railroad (monorail) which takes silver ore across the border for processing.



#1 and tank are on the heavy grade outside Mogollon. The loco is pushing the car since the loco's brakes can keep the car from running away if a pin or link fails.



The one car train rolls past the cantina and miner supply on Chahuahua Hill. The hoist trackage to the left is to service 2 mines down in the canyon, shown earlier in this series.



The tank car arrives above the smelter, to be unloaded at the fuel facility there. The hose will be hooked up to the FM pump on the tank car and run up to the tank (underframe shown). This operation must be done at least 3 times a week (in real life) and maybe once during a "normal" operating session. These photos were made during nice fall weather, more will follow as soon as temps get higher and winter moves out. Switching the mines will continue.       Woodie

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Woodie,

Great, as always! On the very first picture the Mogollon Railway's Garratt is on a 'turntable'. This turntable looks wonderfull. How did you manage to bent the outsiderail to a perfect circle? And is this circle rail functional or cosmetic?

Rgrds,

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Albert-I built a "jig" for both turntables' ring rails. Basically it was just a piece of rod that fit into the pivot with an arm attached with a small groove like a gauge so when I turned the jig around, I was able to line up where the rail went. I just bent the pit rail with my fingers to the approx. curve and then spiked it down on the small ties. Nothing special to it. The ring rails actually do keep the TT bridge from tilting when a loco goes on the table but there are no wheels involved. The bottom of the TT bridges are made of brass and that just slides around on top of the rail. I will try to get a photo of this posted. The "jig" is long gone...I used the pieces for something else. The turntables are manual and since there is no wiring, no special work is involved in the operation.        Woodie

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The weather was very nice today so the Mogollon Railway did a little operation. Life on the railroad is not always just mine cars and smelters...some days there are other things to do. In this bit,  some large crates need to be run to the warehouse on the edge of Mogollon.



The crates are loaded the "hard way" at the enginehouse, some ways from town.



#5 backs up to the flat, links & pins are a dangerous way to couple.



The Shay runs around the train-it will then be pushed along the "low line" to town.



The train is now being pushed with a 10 foot pole along the very bumpy track to town.



The train arrives at the warehouse. The tunnel under the Caldwell Escarpment may be seen, the trackage leads up to the Gila Cliff Dwellings and the Mogollon's locomotives cannot run on that line, it is owned by the Gila Tram which has it's own locomotive. Well, that's another day of switching the mines...sort of.

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And I was sitting in the office looking at the computer all day......

of course I was able to do a little CAD work...:bg:

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bobbyb wrote: And I was sitting in the office looking at the computer all day......


Weren't we all...weren't we all...   :sad:

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Not much switching the mines going on right now but Spring is coming and stuff will happen again. The next thing may be "Outlaws switching the mines"...I will throw in the exploding dynamite car and watch what happens! Stay tuned.

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Since it's Easter, the mines and smelter are closed so the MRy has this "special" run to the Gila Cliff Dwellings...beyond the Caldwell Escarpment. Here's some photos of this unusual run.

 



The train consists of Gila Tram's open excursion car and the beautiful D. Caso coach, pulled by Mogollon #1 Shay. The tourists have parked all over the MRy's yards but this is the only movement planned for today.

 



The train moves along the passing siding outside of Mogollon, empty ore cars are set out for Monday's work day.

 



The special train crosses Tres Diablos Canyon on the low line. The extremely sharp curve here has caused many "accidents".

 



The train has run up to the cliff dwellings which have become one of the "must visit" places for tourists to the Gila Rim area.

 



The train crosses the canyon  again on the way home. The passengers will probably visit the Bloated Goat #2 for some drinks and bar b q after this special run. No mines were switched today, but everybody had a great time.

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Wonderful pics Woodie.

I like the green and white colouring of the half-open coach.

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Good to see you got the passenger run in before the rains (as light as they were aound here) came.You know what those canyon areas can be like when the water comes racing through. Dry one minute, sloppy the next.

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Today-here is a "switching the mine(s)" which will work mucho better for the old Mogollon Railway. I have been building a little On20 layout-the Gila Tramway-and had built this fine "metal" ore tipple from styrene for the little mine. I guess I got carried away because it turned out way too big for the small time operation I had in mind. The boys at the Chupacabra mine across the yard on the Mogollon Ry had been eyeing this nice tipple so I made the "switch".

 



The old tipple is on the left of the new one, you can see what a difference it will make. The entire Chupacabra mine had to be raised 1" to accomodate the new tipple's height. A large serrated kitchen knife was used to whack off the top of the mesa with mine and this was glued to a new piece of foam which raised it to the right height. I still need to scenic the area back in and get everything looking as if nothing happened. I have already switched a couple of cars here and the clearance is fine so I am happy. Now I have this old funky tipple which will be used in another location.

To sum it all up, even when a scene looks to be "finished", it sometimes is just waiting to be "upgraded". Now, the mine has a "proper" tipple and the little On20 layout has a smaller wooden tipple that fits the scene better also.

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Hmmm...from the looks of it the "old funky tipple" would fit just fine on the Gila. It's definitely appears closer in size for that layout.

That bigger tipple sure looks nice on the Mogollon but it would look better on the Chisos...:bg:

...still trying to get some scenery going on the Chisos. The president's attention span wouldn't last this past weekend.

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James-the large German lady at the Gila Hotel actually owns that mine so you will have to talk nicely to her if you want her new tipple. Be sure to bring her some bratwurst and lots of beer!

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Now, here are a couple of "new" things that make switching the mines and smelter easier.



At the Chupacabra Mine, there was a need for some kind of "brake" to keep the cars from rolling down onto the main line. Since the Mogollon Railway does not have actual working brakes on their cars, sometimes a stick or piece of old rail was used to keep the car(s) in place. You can see the red lever across the end of the car, this does the job.



The crewman has put down his bottle long enough to show how the red lever is moved out of the way and the car is now free to be switched out. All the mines are now being equipped with these lever-brakes. Also shown is the "rotating rooster" which is normally used at the smelter's rotary dump. Here it is:



The left end of the rooster fits onto the loco (or idler car) coupler pocket by just dropping it into the pin hole. This end swivels like a fishing weight and will stay coupled while a car is being dumped. The right end goes in the ore car's pocket and the little piece underneath is slid into position to keep the rooster from dropping out of the pocket when the ore car is rotated upside down. Easier to do than to explain. This thing was made from square brass tubing and soldered up. The MRy has 2 of these and more are planned to be built.



Here, the rooster is shown in place with the "fingers" on the right side slid under the coupler. The roosters are painted yellow so they can (hopefully) be seen when they are dropped into the grass or dirt under the layout. In actual practice, the rooster stays in place when the car is rotated and can then be removed by sliding the "fingers" out and hooking up to another car. The old Mogollon Railway may be funky and seedy, but the equipment they use is "state of the art" and makes life much easier out here in the boondocks.

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I do hope this works. Mopman came over and took some videos of the operations at the smelter. I will send this link (or whatever) so everybody can see that we do indeed run trains, not just talk about running trains.

http://s182.photobucket.com/albums/x19/wcgreene/?action=view&current=Adayatthesmelter.mp4&newest=1

May the Lord help us all!

                          Woodie
PS-please excuse the rotary action being in the shadows...one day we will have a light on it and that red thing on a wire in the background is the antenna for the Model T's transmitter. You only see this stuff after you are through!

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Aw-right!

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Herb said it!!

Now that's how to spend a proper day. Better'n workin' for a livin'.

I'm jealous!

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This outta be televised on PBS! It blows Thomas out of the water:)

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Ah man, I can't view it on my iPhone since it requires Flashplayer. :sad: And Herbicide was telling me about it on the phone last night. Now if it were on YouTube I could watch...

Guess I'll have to wait until I can get on a real 'puter to view it.

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DW-maybe someone will send the vid to youtube, but it won't be me. I view youtube as a haven for suicidal teens, porno, and idiots jumping off buildings. MY OPINION.

Maybe Mr DeMille will give me a closeup someday and I will break his camera.

                                     Woodie

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Not much to report about switching the mines, but here's an "adaptation" that will make life much easier. When pushing cars, I remove the links & pins since the cars may get bound up on sharp curves and roller coaster trackage. But that sometimes causes the coupler pockets to get hung on one another and a derailment occurs.

[img]http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x19/wcgreene/photo.jpg?t=1286817479http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x19/wcgreene/photo.jpg?t=1286817479[/img]

This photo of a Uintah RR narrow gauge boxcar by Roy F. Blackburn in Henry Bender's Uintah Railway book shows the idea I used to stop pesky derailments. You can see the metal buffers above the coupler, these were used due to the Uintah's sharp curves to keep from whacking the car ends. I made something similar on the Mogollon's ore cars (and some others also).



I just cut some balsa "buffers" and glued them to the car ends. As you can see, the couplers are not connected and the cars can be pushed up grades, around curves, and not derail any more! I just have to remember to recouple them before being pulled in a train to the smelter.



Shay #5 is shown with a "10 foot pole" pushing the uncoupled cars upgrade without problems. It will take a while to install these bits of wood on all the cars, but the first test worked like I wanted...This probably won't cause "Zero Derailments", but then the Mogollon Railway wouldn't be the same without something hitting the ties now and then.

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Not much has happened differently for over a year now...but some new trackage has been installed and soon there will be more added to this thread. The new cliff dwelling run, new mines to be switched, new non-ore car rolling stock to be involved, and a general operational "upgrade". Watch this space for further updates.
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Woodie , fellers..

Yes yes..neat ..ops..I have schemed upon a incline...thoughts run from hand crank to a battery winch...might be a double acting thing...weighted cars down..pulling MT's up....but who knows..by the time i get to it..might be a different thing...

Great shots..motivational..


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bending rail for ring for tt is easy find a plastic tube or something the same dia. that you need and turn rail upside down so the base is on top edge of bender and bend rail around you may want to go a smaller dia but the tricky part is soldering ends together just spike it to a piece of wood and solder then file down then spike or glue to turntable base. did an n scale one and it was easy.code 250 might take more effort :bg:

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Today (3/3/12), we had a "for real" op session with myself, Dave C and Mopman. Three locos were being operated at a time, Dave handled the Gila Tramway run to the cliff dwellings, Mopman did switching on the low line mines and ran Rosa at the smelter rotary dump, and I took the Garratt to the high line mines. Outside of a few little "glitches", all ran as expected...in fact pretty well for an outdoor layout that has been covered up for several weeks. The track crew will be fixing some places where the rails have become even narrower than usual and a couple of pesky switches will be relaid in the coming days. What does all this mean? It means that some old friends got together for beer and train running under the Texas sun and we had a blast. Muj paid us a visit also and supervised while Mopman cursed the link & pin couplers (a usual occurance). We probably spent 2 to 3 hours and managed to deliver over 140 tons of ore to the smelter and two carloads of paying tourists to the cliff dwellings. All in all, not a bad day for the Mogollon Railway. One great day with friends running your trains is worth all the time it takes to build a layout. I urge everyone to run trains with your friends, it makes all the work worthwhile.

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Sounds like the perfect Saturday Woodie !!!

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Since I hadn't "updated" this thread in some time, I thought that I would send a photo of some work at the smelter. Today, the regular switcher-#3-was in for maintenence (battery charging), and road loco-#4-was ditto, so Shay #5 Lizzy brought in a couple of limestone cars (4 wheel dump cars) and picked up some empties for a couple of mines. Newly shopped Shay #1 did Rosa's duties at the rotary dump. Here is a photo of them at work, in black & white:




Here, you can see the new "idler car" as the limestone cars are about to be dumped. #5's fireman has a bottle of ......... in his hand as Lizzy waits for the cars to be emptied and then will haul them and some ore cars to the mines. It is a beautiful Sunday in Mogollon and everyone is happy, maybe REALLY happy.

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Luv the black and white images Woodie makes the whole scene look real.

Nothing like real sunlight to make pics just right.

Enjoy the weather, it's starting to get cooler by the day here in Melbourne.

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Great pic Woodie.
Lovin' the old-school B&W look.

Cheers

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Hey Woody,

This is a cool thread. I really enjoyed seeing the photos of your operations and reading the captions. I have a question, if you don't mind. I saw your swiveling pole a page or two back and I understand it's use. Is that the same use as the 10' wood poles earlier in the thread? If not, why use the Jpoles? I'm sure plenty of knowledgeable guys here know but I'm a newbie and I'm baffled.

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Howdy Mike, the swiveling pole is needed when the cars are pushed into the rotary dump. One end goes in the coupler of the ore car and has a sliding "keeper" that keeps the pole in place when the car is upside down. The other end has a swivel which stays coupled in the idler car/loco while the ore car is dumped. Takes a bit to describe, but it works like a rotary coupler on a modern car that is used in a rotary dumper. The 10 foot poles have been replaced by several of these swiveling poles, we actually use the poles to push cars under mine tiples with close clearances and to "pole" cars on adjacent tracks when needed. I hope I made this understandable.

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I see, the old poles served the same purpose as the new swiveling poles. I thought that may be the case but I was confused early on "before your description of the new swivel poles" and I guess I just needed to have that cleared up.

Thanks!
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Mike-here's a photo that may work:




 

The pole at the top has the "keeper" slid back, the bottom one shows it closed. The left ends of the poles swivel and are coupled to the idler/loco. Is that better?

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I got it.... Very cool!

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When you only switch ore cars with a rare "other" movement, just how much can you keep a thread going? It's been a while but I thought that the "dyed in the wool" steam fanatics would appreciate this one.

The Gila Cliff dwelling "visitor center" needed a full tank of water there for the tourists and archaeologists (egg heads?) when they arrive on the Gila Tramway. The old wooden water car is in for repairs (leaks) so the ancient Gilpin Tram water car #301 needed to be filled and taken to the low level siding for pickup by the Tram. Problem was that the car was sandwiched between the Brownhoist crane and a caboose on the smelter machine shop track. Some head scratching switching was needed.




You can see the water car with a shaft of light on it, how to get this one out and "on the main"?




The new gasoline/mechanical #6 (Dee-named for Mopman's wife) was fired up for the task. It takes a couple of hours to get a Shay, etc. up to pressure; just the turn of a key and pressing the "start" button and #6 is going. #6 needed to move the Brownhoist & flat away from the water car, giving room for the next move.




#6 is using a swiveling pole from the smelter rotary to grab the water car from it's place on an adjacent track and pull/push it onto the crossover so Lizzy (#5) can hook up and take the car to get filled and then to the siding a "couple of miles" away.




#5 then uses another pole to snatch the car onto the "main" and then to the water tank at Tres Diablos canyon. So, an IC locomotive did in fact make life easier at the smelter and switching the mines.

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Ah yes Woodie.
That's why I figured the IC could be a good puller for the Brownhoist !
Quick fire-up; & to the disaster scene FAST, to save the day !

If the dudes didn't have a handy pole for the car push...
...could they have Brownhoisted it over to the right track ?
( I'd be operating the Brownhoist all day; & never get around to switching the mines ! )
Dat Brownhoist is cool.

You must keep switching the mines Woodie.
THE WORLD NEEDS ORE IT CAN GET !!!!

'Switching The Mines' is 1 of the 'top 10' reasons I pay my internet bill each month !
You just can't see stuff like this on cable !

Thread rating ***** 101%

Cheers

Simon

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Woodie, do you use Bachmann On3 'long wheel base arch-bars' on some of your cars ?
They seem about right for 1:35
But I've never seen any in the flesh.
Good ?

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Thanks Si, I need all the encouragement I can get! I have some more "movements" to describe and would like it if someone else had some ideas to add also.
The Bachmann On30 "regular" archbar trucks scale out to 3' wheelbase in 1:35, the same as the trucks on the real Silver City equipment and the design is quite similar to the real ones also. The longer wb trucks are great for other cars, I use them and the low slung "logging" trucks since they look pretty much like those under Maine 2 footer cars. My friend Sullivan has Foothills On30 logging trucks which look just like Gilpin Tramway trucks. A little searching can turn up many parts for the larger scale. For instance, nice "curvy spoke" brake wheels are Selley O scale old time wheels...they are a mite large for true O scale, but look great in 35.
Thanks for your interest, take care and run a train today!

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Hi Woodie

Thanks for that.
I was going to 'go on' a bit about trucks HERE...
...but I'm gonna revive my 'not posted to' for a while thread...
...& waffle on about my 'lint' over there.
Drop by & have a look.

Special request for 'Switching The Mines'

MORE BROWNHOIST ACTION !!!

I know these 'seat of their pants' railroads didn't bother clearing wrecks up to much ( unless there was cash to be made from it ! ) but...
There must be some debries somewhere around the mines that needs 'Brownhoisting away' to the company shops or the scrap yard ! So...

Let's see some of that ol' scrap iron 'hoisted' & shipped to the car-shop & scrap yard !

There you go...
...My Mogolon Movement Must-Have !

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Okey-Dokey...I will figger something for the BH to do.

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" OK cap'n...Roll The Winches ! "

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Woodie,

Just perused this thread checking out the pictures. Will have to go through and read it all tonight with a brewski in hand. What a great outdoor railroad. I love it.

First I need to read it, more comments to come.

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AH HA-

The explosives car--I remember that!

On a kindred note, something about a goofy stub switch floats to the top of the sludge in my head--------


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Yes, Erbie...the 4 way is still "floating"...they all float down here!
The explosives car is kept at the smelter's machine shop, a nice safe place where drums of gasoline and acetone are stored next to the car.

This thread will continue, it's been powerful hot lately and other stuff has taken attention away from taking photos...like operations.
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I'll bet a lot of ore got transferred today. The weather here in the Dallas area was GORGEOUS! There was lots of sunshine but it was relatively cool and breezy.

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James-Saturday was spent with "doofer duties" and later on some track was "fixed". No ore got processed but lots of other "stuff" got done. However, there are still 8 loaded ore cars ready to be dumped and some loaded cars under tipples here & there. If I get the camera, some more stuff will be added here.

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Here is a comparison of 1:48 Gilpin trucks under the car on the left (Kadee HO Wheels) and the 1:35 scale version of the same trucks under the car on the right (Bachmann On30 wheels)

The 1:35 ones look a lot "Meatier" - I keep geting tempted to experiment with this scale - Woody you are a bad influence ! ;)

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Tom-those are nice trucks. I thought that I ordered 1:35 trucks but I must have goofed up and got On30 Gilpin trucks. However, I will use them anyway, I like them. The trucks appear to be spot on for the Gilpin phase 2 and 3 trucks (how's that for nitzy pickers) and I will order some 1:35 jobs soon. The nice trucks make me want to build a few Gilpin cars now. The Silver City cars that I have use old Bachmann On30 arch bar trucks which just happen to have a 3' wheelbase and sideframes almost exactly the same as the real ones. The SC line bought parts from Lima which made the Gilpin cars but we (Duane & I) believe the SC built the cars and trucks in their shops. The SC cars are much easier to build than the GT cars, the ore boxes are similar but the wooden ends on the Gilpin cars are a bugger to make. Picky, picky, picky...
Yep, just keep on and you will start looking at 1:35 military kits and modifying errant nazis to make banditos and loose women! Join the fun.
BTW-again, the trucks look great!

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Guys.

Excuse me; I never get to see any of this stuff in the UK.

Are those the On30 trucks that Bachmann & Fav. Spot call 'Long Wheel Base Arch-Bars' ?
( the ones on the right )

Or are they different metal, with Bachmann wheels ?

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Si-the trucks are (left)Shapeways On30 and (right) Shapeways 35n2 GILPIN TRAM trucks. They come without wheelsets, the On30 models take KD or NWSL HO pointed axle wheelsets and the 35n2 need Bachmann On30 wheelsets. I will try to find the SHAPEWAYS link and post it. The trucks and other On30 and 35 scale car kits, etc. are designed by Tebee (Tom Bell) who is a regular here on FR. You might send him a PM. I have 2 pairs of the On30 trucks and they are very nice. I will get some 35 jobs in a while. All my ore cars use Bachmann On30 archbars and I also have some "low archbars" (look like Maine 2 footers, and my tourist cars have Bachmann On30 passenger car trucks, one set has spoked wheels which Bachmann sells for their Thomas HO cars and are probably easy to get in England. BTW-I am waiting for Tebee's "long open passenger car" which is just cooler than he((. He has it in 1:35 and On30 and I do believe in HOn30 also! Stay tuned...

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Thanks Woodie.

The rusty old ore-car 2nd photo on page 1 has the Bachmann trucks.
Long wheelbase I guess.

Nice trucks Tebee.

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2ft trucks always 'look longer'...

...cos 1 less foot sideways I recon.

Something like that.

The D&RGW Grandt Line On30 trucks I have here don't look 'right'.

Not long enough; 3ft7in WB in 1:1 I think.

So, long wheelbase for 1:32/35n2.

Si.

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Si-I use Bachmann #29901 On30 arch bars on almost everything. Just the "regular" ones. They scale out to 36" wheelbase in 1:35.

There will be more switching the mines in a while, some new, larger ore cars are being built. The mine owners are happy, high grade ore is being mined!

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It has been too long since I have posted anything in this thread (outside of some verbage) so here's something that has proven itself and is now used before any switching of the mines can begin. Most of the mines are located on the "hi line" which is just beyond my reach and eyesight and the tracks up there seem to get the most obstructions-leaves, twigs, little rocks, and other scale or non scale debris. This worry caused no end to the hollering and cursing when loads are brought in and empties set out...the crap derailed the cars and locos alike. I can send the Supt's Model T up there but he's glued to his seat and can't clean the line. So drastic measures were considered...another oddball piece of "equipment" to allow debris removal. I have a cricket blower which has a WW1 propeller but it doesn't have the power to blow twigs & rocks off-just scale crickets. Without further adieu, here's what was built:




Shay #5 Lizzy is the loco of choice to handle this car. As can be seen, the as yet unnumbered thing has a "moustasche" on the front to brush off stuff and even clean out guardrails & switches and is filled with rocks to weigh it down.

The car was built of lead sheets mounted upon a single Bachmann On30 passenger car truck. I added styrene and wood "parts" so it wouldn't look like a hunk of lead. The brush was made from an unused white stiff bristle paint brush. The bristles were cut off and epoxied to a piece of angle stock in a wider than track gauge width. The depth is a bit lower than the railhead and is tapered front to back so it really does the job without too much work. I had thought about a rotating bottle brush affair (like a trolley street sweeper) but tried this first-and it works as needed! So, track cleaning is the mother of invention...not Frank Zappa. You will note that there is no provision made for cleaning the rails since that is not in the scheme of things along the Mogollon Rim.

Enough talk, I need to clean the line and get them loads to the smelter before Missy arrives for supper!  

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Woodrow, fellers..

Great guns man..the rocks and twig don't stand a chance...Perfect car...the historians are going to wonder about it in the future..anybody got  a better foto..whot we wonder was it..what was it used for../..drawings..anybody got drawings..somebody will make a set  using the paral-lex method of measuring..another will say it is probably not right as the Elminero shop forces didn't use that sort of rivet in those long ago gone by days.no sir...

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Charley-settle down! I still want to add some NBW's, shovels, chains, all kinds of stuff- but right now, it's at work. One of these days, Alice...bang zoom to the moon!
Just remember that I really built this to please the nitwhackers, not to use as a viable piece of equipment. Yeah, right!

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Woodie said

"Shay #5 Lizzy is the loco of choice to handle this car. As can be seen, the as yet unnumbered thing has a "moustasche" on the front to brush off stuff and even clean out guardrails & switches and is filled with rocks to weigh it down."

Looks more like a "hula skirt". Only a female engineer would use a "mustache". :bg: :bg:

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Works for me.

Don't know why the 'pickers come out of the woodwork when you introduce previously unknown and undocumented equipment from the (YOUR) prototype.

Looks really great...love the rustiness of the critter.

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fellers..

I only mentioned rivets...

Some will say... that the rare and rather mysterious muggy ones railway rivets  were probably conical head and not the usual round head ones..

My rivet press only has the round head dies..i hope to get the special conical head rivets dies someday..this in hopes of being able to replicate this equipment in fidelity to prototype in the manner required by Railway histerians ever wheres..

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Charley-except for the old Gilpin #69, all the ore cars owned by the railway are welded. The shop crew is uptown and uses the latest things to put cars together. The locos still may have rivited or wooden cabs, but one day the gas may be used on them also. What was this about Coneheads? From the South of France?...Rivet lovers' bones are scattered in the canyons, they are the favorite food of the local Chupacabras.

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Those pesky Chupacabra. Always eatin' the rivet counters but oddly never leave any scat. Probably a good thing.

I love that little car. Sadly my line does need some track cleanin' and was thinkin' the other night about my own home brewed track cleaning car in On30.

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Shawn-if you are wanting, needing a great track cleaning car which don't cost a bundle...check out the ancient John Allen "Dragger" car. Basically a boxcar with a piece of masonite suspended underneath. The cars were switched into many of Mr. Allen's trains and just hauled around. The rough side of the masonite cleaned the rails beautifully and didn't scratch the surface. Maybe we can find a link to such a thing or advise how they were built. The sheer size of the layout was such that a Brite Boy would take weeks to get everything and hard to reach track was out of the question.

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W C Greene wrote: Shawn-if you are wanting, needing a great track cleaning car which don't cost a bundle...check out the ancient John Allen "Dragger" car. Basically a boxcar with a piece of masonite suspended underneath. The cars were switched into many of Mr. Allen's trains and just hauled around. The rough side of the masonite cleaned the rails beautifully and didn't scratch the surface. Maybe we can find a link to such a thing or advise how they were built. The sheer size of the layout was such that a Brite Boy would take weeks to get everything and hard to reach track was out of the question.

Woodie



Does this look about right?



Personalli I like the look of a mustache car more. L:

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Woodrow , fellers..

Yes yes.precisely the car...with the dragging bits...

AND..the Chili cabricadabra...I like those from the dollar menu..

Then there is the Bloody fanged beaste...living in los conon..A scary thing indeed if yer a teen age stupid girl on a camping trip with stupid boys W/O your parents permission..freddy..chain sawrs..or just a bloody fanged beaste...


But I digress..and those ain't rivets ....friend..moo hahahahahah

I don't know if any of youse have seen my HO empire...the late ...there is a whole thread on another list..you might need sign in or whatever..alot of good foto graphs taken on that one..

http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/1890

I had a whole train made up..a dripper wiper..an electronic "F" unit electronic cleaner..and a roller abrasive car and a dragger...I would push it around by hand as it was so heavy and I had so many sidings and through buildings..it was a great help...

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Nice layout Charley, I would never have thought that you'd be meddling in those tiny scales! Beware of the chupacabras, I have a photo of one that was found riding in an ore car. Nasty beasties to be sure.

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Shawn-that is the kind of car I was thinking about! I had one on an old HOn3 layout long ago and I never had to clean track.

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It was a dark and dreary night and the boys had been down at the Bloated Goat all evening. As they were stagger...er, walking up to the Gila Hotel for some more fun, they saw this sight in an empty ore car spotted downtown. After that, two of the guys never touched another drop and another guy moved off to San Francisco.

 

CHUPACABRA!!!

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OH NO! the haunted pigman of Mogollon (or whatever you would prefer to call it) is back!

Thanks for the pic and story Woodie.

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David-the story could be embelleshed quite a bit! Since the photo included an ore car, I figgered that it could be here in Switching the Mines...

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Big man, pig man, ha-ha charade you are! Then the pigs burst out the amplifiers and the audience gasps and groans "whoa!"

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Haha I'm sure with some imagination and a collection of photos you could turn the story into a new topic.

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Fellers...Chichi...

Scary stuff....a topic..?..a whole legend...books ..stories..nat geo specials...etc.etc..

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I'm sure that everybody has some kind of "monster" or something that lives nearby. Here in Dallas alone, there is the "Bachmann Lake Goat-Man" which supposedy is just that..nasty! He haunts a small lake nearby Dallas Love Field airport. Funny thing is that the lake is really just a smallish pond at the end of a runway. The other wierdness is near where I live, White Rock lake. It seems that many years back, a girl killed herself after her lover died in a motorcycle accident. She has been seen and even picked up by the locals and then she disappears from the car and leaves a seat full of lake water! Whaat? And indeed, over near Fort Worth there have been reports of real Chupacabras-the goat suckers. I have seen photos of ugly dog-looking beasts that have been found dead and they are supposed to be Chupies. So I am very sure that Mogollon has it's share of beasties and nasties...like Ben Lilly, the lion killer.

Boris Karloff

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Wow, that's a lot of myths. The only one I know of near me is the Jersey Devil.

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Well then, maybe we need a thread for MYTHS, LEGENDS, & BS...

Please tell about the Jersey Devil..it's not Snookie is it?
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HAHAHA, Oh my gosh that's too good. Luckily Hurricane Sandy did one thing good, getting rid of her.

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It's been a while since I have posted any Switching the Mines stuff, we've been busy jabbering about other stuff and that's OK. Today is a beautiful day but the mines will have to wait, life has intervened (as usual). However, a few days ago I did get to dump some ore at the smelter and run empties back to the mines, this afforded me a chance to see how easy (or hard) it is to work in the smelter yards with a large building (styrofoam smelter) in the way. I really didn't have much trouble, just a change in making up trains. The link & pin couplers can become a real pain when reaching down between structures to pull or set pins and links so new rules will be applied. Photos will be taken so all can see what is happening and probably a photo or two of my new engineer as she learns new language from the rest of the crew.

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Woodrow , fellers...

I was wondering about couplers..it will be nice to see whot you are using...and how the stuff is working...

I visited a state park today..Berlin..the mining town /historic state park ..nice place..neat stuff....






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Charley, this is how I make l & p couplers. No castings, no worries, just K&S rect. brass tubing, cut and drilled. Simple and cheap. And they work as advertized. The real SPCA&M cars had couplers like these. They are "prototype" for the Mogollon Railway anyway.

 

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Great trackwork there Chas!

Even looks like a self guarding frog on the switch--very up to date stuff!

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Herberte , Woodrow , Elminero , fellers..others ex pats..Englishmen..tie and Bowler wearing mine speculators...

The super low speed nature of the frog and points are world re known and certainly patented...

Tested and proven to operate with the Woodrow coupler{ing } systems...










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I like the little turntable, I am planning to build something like it in On30, is it hard to bend the rail into the tite radius without kinks, onlytrain

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Howdy. The turntables on the Mogollon Railway aren't little, they are about 12" long. But then they are 1:35 scale. I bend pit rails by hand, it's easy to do. I may run it across the edge of the workbench to smooth it out and when I get the rail about right, I spike it down to the little ties using a jig to make sure it is concentric with the pivot on the table.

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TT big in 35...

TT build challenge....

...abstract... Mogollon...RC...

...no wires... BOO JAH...

Si.

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Turntables? Check out this thread, page down a bit and there's some stuff about TT's and how to make them work easily. (page 3)

http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=4919&forum_id=5

Switching the mines will continue...soon, I hope.

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OK - I know this is an old thread but I have to ask for permission.  Plus everyone should look at the pics again - very very nice.

:moose:

Woodie,
I have a 2ft. high lag wall at the base of my 'mountain' in the back yard (pic below).  I have been pondering how I can use the top portion behind the lag wall in my layout.  This hoist mechanism is ingenious!

Would you mind if I copied it in my layout?  I can then run a small mining railroad at the top of the lag wall that is then plausibly connected to the main layout at the bottom of the wall, or vice versa - however it works out.

One mystery though (it may well be covered elsewhere) - if the hoist can only handle two full cars, how did the little loco get onto that bottom section!  You MUST have a story for that?  :bg:


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Howdy Helmut. Yes, of course you can use any idea I have. The hoist was an old model plane servo with a capstan instead of a bellcrank which raised & lowered the cars. It was powered by 2 AA batteries which stayed outside along with the layout for some years. The Porter was on the "low line" which ran through downtown Mogollon to get to a couple of the mines. However, the Porter COULD actually climb the incline but without any loads. Going down was another matter, no brakes!

Woodie

BTW-there is more to come on switching the mines. I now have 2 more mines than before and ops are quite different. More later...

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Sweet!  Thx.

Hey, I guess the porter could get down there with help from the winch?  I really see a need for a flashback to that dangerous operation!  

Look forward to more, this is the kind of stuff that got me interested in the first place.

I will add one thing - the whole thing looks really great and authentic with or without  missing rivets!  But I think I noticed some round rivets?  Or were those conical?  Or even comical?

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Howdy Helmut, the incline was best described in my old Mogollon Railway thread but I don't remember when. Usually, the 0-4-2t was stationed on the "low" line and really only switched those mines near town. The "high" line was operated with Shays, small articulated, American-ized Garratt, and even a gasoline-mechanical.
What's this about rivets? If you mean on the ore cars, the real Silver City ore cars were welded with very few nuts & bolts. "Rivets? We don't need no stinkin' rivets!"

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And I suppose one day I'll get to see it again. Eh?

By the way, if I was still modeling in 35n2 I'd have stolen all your ideas. Yeah, baby! They are so worth plagiarizing. Maybe one day I will once I'm done with the present layout.

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" BTW-there is more to come on switching the mines. I now have 2 more mines than before and ops are quite different. More later..."

Howdy Woodie :cb:

MORE ! ... MORE ! ... MORE !

WE WANT MORE !

:moose:

Si.

I know his ain't 'Desert Island Discs'...
...but I 'request' a massive mining WRECK cleaned up by the Brownhoist AND Lidgerwood !

BROWNHOIST !!
BROWNHOIST !!
BROWNHOIST !!

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Oh yeah, more will be forthcoming when I get further along. I am developing a "switch list" operation, similar to what the real SCPA&M used-simple and easy. Now I have a bit of lumber to mess with and the limestone quarry has been "relocated". Plus the new mines. The Brownhoist is in the display case since it takes space and I need room for all the ore cars, etc. Maybe....maybe...

Woodie



Brownhoist sitting in the enginehouse.

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Here is the post in the Muggy thread that shows and tells about the hoist.

http://www.freerails.com/view_post.php?post_id=19924

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

I hope you're gonna keep some grease in Brownhoists boxes.
There could be a MAJOR WRECK anytime !

What do you think the railroad used the Lidgerwood for ?
Not sure if I got the name right there ?

:moose:

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MORE MODEL T'S y'll need some miners with dry washers too digging holes in the desert

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Apparently the Lidgerwood hoist was used like the Brownhoist would be used...for re-railing cars/locos and general hoisting work. I imagine that the SCPA&M might have bought a Brownhoist but they got the other one instead. The Brownhoist I modeled is gasoline engine powered, the Lidgerwood is steam. The railroad was gone by 1907 so steam power was more available than gasoline engines. Who knows? Maybe Duane and Keith who are historians. I do have a couple of "freelance" miners out in the wilds but their tiny mines don't warrant a railroad siding much less any tipples, etc. Their ores would be hauled in on the backs of mules/burros or maybe in wagons.
That's my story & I'm stickin' to it!

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great info lets hear from the histrics

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Hi Woodie :cb:

HOLY COW !

I've been paying attention !
' Lidgerwood ' NO typo !
YEAH !

I had thought a 'hole' in the display-case glass + incline, could get the BROWNHOIST !! back in ACTION !!

That Lidgerwood piece of %$£& is gonna have to do for now though.;)

We need more WRECKS on the Silver City line, that is for sure !!

:moose:

Watch out for MOOSE DROOL !

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Hi Si,

What's this with wanting "more wrecks" ? Are you casting nasturtiums upon Mr Greene's track laying ?

Cheers, Michael

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OK then.....

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

I think I was a bit hard on the lovely Lidgerwood !!

If it's on flanges & has a boom ... WE LOVE IT :bg:

I do think we need at least 1 serious WRECK ! a year though...
...or the Silver City Superintendent might just shunt ol' Lidgey off behind glass as well !

Please, no fatalities though...
...just a decent load of TWISTED IRON & SPLINTERED WOOD !!

I'm off now to start a NEW Freerails Lidgerwood Fan-Club Thread ;)

:moose:

Si.

Go ahead MAKE WOODIES DAY ! :w:

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Serial wreck? Like this?

This is (of course) very high grade ore-for insurance purposes.

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(yellow shirt guy) Those d*&^a#$%s forgot to put the track!
(green shirt guy at back) ......
Cheers!. Jose.

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oh wow looks like a little maintenance is in order along with some strong backs with shovels

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" ...a decent load of TWISTED IRON... "

:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:

Nice twisting Woodie !

Si.

(no mooses were harmed during the making of this scene)

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Si, Mother Nature "weathered" and twisted these 2 cars while outside. Funny how some cars, built the same way, materials, etc., can stay nice and some can "go south" in minutes! But, I tend to never throw anything away...not even pieces of crap!

Woodrow

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Crap suddenly becomes very valuable and sought just seconds after the garbage truck rounds the corner from your place. Guess I (we) never learn...
Jose, always saving the wrong crap...

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" Crap suddenly becomes very valuable and sought just seconds after the garbage truck rounds the corner from your place."


More top philosophy from Freerails ace industrial garbage researcher.

Now WHY THE HELL did I throw loads of old Tri-ang in the trash 8 years ago.

I'm now BUYING other peoples crap to replace it !!

:f::f::f::f::f:

Stooopid Si.

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Freerails ace industrial garbage researcher.

I'll take it as a compliment.

Jose, certified crapologist.

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Jose,

Not just a compliment, maybe even a promotion from il Supremo Nuevo !

Regards, Michael

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Going to have to make a note of this car, it is pretty cool. :!: This thread popped up around midnight  in Google image results for locomotive rotary dumper accident. My build would be G  scale and likely won't happen this week.
W C Greene wrote:
It has been too long since I have posted anything in this thread (outside of some verbage) so here's something that has proven itself and is now used before any switching of the mines can begin. ...Without further adieu, here's what was built:




Shay #5 Lizzy is the loco of choice to handle this car. As can be seen, the as yet unnumbered thing has a "moustasche" on the front to brush off stuff and even clean out guardrails & switches and is filled with rocks to weigh it down.

The car was built of lead sheets mounted upon a single Bachmann On30 passenger car truck. I added styrene and wood "parts" so it wouldn't look like a hunk of lead. The brush was made from an unused white stiff bristle paint brush. The bristles were cut off and epoxied to a piece of angle stock in a wider than track gauge width. The depth is a bit lower than the railhead and is tapered front to back so it really does the job without too much work. I had thought about a rotating bottle brush affair (like a trolley street sweeper) but tried this first-and it works as needed! So, track cleaning is the mother of invention...not Frank Zappa. You will note that there is no provision made for cleaning the rails since that is not in the scheme of things along the Mogollon Rim.

Enough talk, I need to clean the line and get them loads to the smelter before Missy arrives for supper!  

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like this a new idea to me I have a bunch of lead telephone pole tags 2"x3" I did years ago make an O scale combo car using the lead tags for the floor. Didn't finish as I moved and it got packed away for a long time

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chasv wrote: ... and it got packed away for a long time

That's the nice thing about trains, they don't spoil as fast as milk does.

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it was also one pf the first cars I built

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Well all you need then is a loco (or 2) capable of pushing the damn thing!
I believe that this car is what caused "premature" plastic gear breakdown, which I have been fixing lately.
I just Looooove Bachmann's plastic gears.

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Howdy Woodie  :cb:



I guess the infamous Professor Brainstorm style ^^ 'moustache car'  ...  ;)

... hasn't been needed for switching the mines recently ...

... since the R.R. moved to its NEW hi-tech 'clean-room' double-garage real estate ?  L:

&

Whatever became of that zany M.O.W. bug-busters insect blowing/mashing I.C. propeller car ?  ???



Are we due for 'Switching The Mines' II ?  :time: ...  The RETURN OF the switcher !  :shocked:

Or am I watching 'Back To The Future' again tonight ?  ;)



:old dude:



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Si, the cricket blower and sweeper car have been retired due to not being used.
Hell, there ain't any bugs or twigs in the garage.
HOWEVER, since you mentioned it...
I will do a new bit about switching the mines and the new wax factory. Stay tuned.
Tonight you had better call old Doc Brown and "Calvin Klein" (Marty McFly)
and go back to a simpler time when ol' Biff was the only problem.

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How about that, you're still living.
Hope to see some photos of the "new" layout sometime.
Keep 'er truckin'.
James S.

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Good grief... it's James.
Did you forget my phone number?
You need to come out to the "country" some time before it becomes another "burb".

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HOLY COW ! ... It's James !!  :shocked:

I wonder if he's got any of his  C :cool: :cool: L  1:35n2 car-builds up his sleeve ?  ???

He had a few ACES there last time I was lookin' !  ;)

COME BACK JAMES !  :time:

WE MISS YOU !!  :us:

We  N E E D  to know what you're up to  :mex:  & what you think of all our new $4!7  :P



- - - - - - -



Woodie  :cb:

I like it Dude ! :thumb:

Texan double-garage styleee & comfort.  [whack]

Probably even got a handy  C :cool: :cool: L E R  near to hand !  [toast]

To hell with the ol' cricket-blower & bug-busters sweeping-car, obviously yesterdays news !  :old dude:

If yer aint got no bugs these days, what can you do ?  :us:

As for your new blockbuster Cecil B Demille production ...

... coming soon to a double-garage near you in 70mm Stereo !  ;)


:mex:  ' Switching  The  Wax '  :mex: (DOLBY in selected garages)

I've pre-ordered front-row tickets & a bathtub full of popcorn !  :pop:



:moose: :moose: :moose: :moose: :moose:



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Si, I have several of James's SCPA&M ore cars and they are everything I could expect from a craftsman like him.

WCG





...and here is one of James's ore cars.


He faithfully modeled the Silver City, Pinos Altos & Mogollon RR cars which were similar to the Gilpin's.
The SCPA&M used parts from LIMA which made the GT's cars.
And yes, the Bachmann On30 archbar trucks have a 36" wheelbase in 1:35 scale,
exactly the same as the SC's, only the spring arrangement is a bit different.


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Si,

Woodie has all my Chisos ore cars.

I'm no longer working in 1/32nd scale,
but am back to HO, building a small one town switching layout.

I'll soon be switching over to OO-scale (1/76th) British outline, and building a switching layout,
based on the Framlingham Branch of the BR (previously the LNER) out of Wickham Market;
two trains from London a day, via Ipswich.
I'll be modeling 1949.


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@Sullivan

Why not do the full monty and use 3/4" gauge,

as American OO did back in the good old days

(Remember Jock Oliphant?)


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Helmut,
 
I'm too old and cranky to think beyond what Bachmann, Hornby and Peco (and many others) have already figured out for me.
The Peco 16.5 mm is fine, though too narrow by a bit, and I don't want to go EM or P4; too much effort at 70 years old. 

Sure, the 1/76th is not accurate but millions have found it works and works well.

And for those not in the know, the British were working toward HO scale British outline equipment,
but the motors in those days were just too wide to fit the boilers on the smaller British equipment,
so they increased the size to 1/76th, but kept the HO gauge.
 
I'll be doing Britain here in Texas.
I already have five locomotives, about twelve passenger carriages, and an assortment of wagons and vans.
Ready to start. I just need the bullhead rail.
 
But thanks for the thought.


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Awww, come on James...
handlay the rails at exact 56 1/2" gauge.
You CAN do it!

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Woodie,

Yes, I COULD hand lay all the track to the precise 56 1/2".
As I mentioned in my previous statement, they even have a name for it.
There are companies that offer the bullhead rail and proper chairs for it
( no spiking - they are screwed on to the sleepers [ties] ). 

One of the issues I might have is doing that proper double-slip switch
(and I need two of them).
That could be a set back.
Of course, I could just drag you over here to lay the thing.

Naturally, the other issue I would have is,
none of my equipment would run on it.
It would be a deserted railway in effect.

I believe I'll stick with my original idea.

But thanks for the input.


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These models, even on 16.5mm track, do have their charms..





I admit this is just a fraction of the stuff I have amassed...


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Howdy Woodie  :cb:



AWESOME photo of one of James 1:35n2 ore-cars !  :thumb:

Very nice lookin' models.  :cool:


Looks great in ye oldy timey black & whitey.  :old dude:

No.119 as well ... Same No. as one of the 'Golden Spike' locos ... right ?  L:



So Texas  :cb:  James is making Brit. OO-scale these days !  :shocked:

Whatever next ? ... Might even find a Brit. or 2 liking American stuff ?  ;)



James ... come on then ... SHOW US YER HORNBY !  :old dude:

Go on, start a Thread in the OO Forum !!  :thumb:



Done any switchin' of the mines lately Woodie ?  ???:us: L:



:java::mex:



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Hi James,

If you're planning double-slips, then I don't recommend this.

 



And that's a bifurcated O-scale Peco double slip, but that's another story from another mine.
 
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Si, I am still "switching the mines" but rarely have a camera handy.
Taking photos takes some thought and I don't have thoughts these days.

James painted and lettered the ore car,
I didn't envision any car numbers with 3 digits.

As for John's double slip switch...that's a cool thing!

WCG


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OK then, I am back with more SWITCHING THE MINES....

The smelter/mill has a very steep siding to bring in the ore for processing.
Matter of fact, it is too steep for the Shay #4 to push 2 loaded cars up to the ore tipple inside the mill.

So I was looking at some "junk" by the Boquillas engine house,
and noticed an old Bachmann On30 wooden dump car frame.

Hmmmm, the basis for an idler car which will keep the Shay on pretty much level track,
while she pushes the 2 loaded cars up to the car stop and winch,
to haul the cars up the incline to the processing area.





A view of the Shay & little 4 wheel idler car.





Here the Shay has coupled onto one ore car to show what happens next.





#4 and idler car pushing the "loaded" ore car up grade,
and past the "car stop device" seen in front of the ore car.

This thing will keep the ore car(s) from rolling back down the grade,
and the hoist cable can be connected to the car(s),
and then they get pulled up into the processing area.

Operating is fun, that's why I am behind on building stuff...except the idler car.


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What a good idea Woodie.


Lateral thinking to keep good traction on the Shay,

and make sure the loaded ore wagons get to the stop,

before it runs out of steam and starts slipping its wheels!


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Howdy Doug,
What you don't see is that there is a winch and wire rope which attaches to the 2 or so loaded cars,
and they are hauled up the incline into the mill/smelter.
Then after being dumped, the empty cars are lowered back down the incline to the stop,
and wait for the loco to take them away.
There may be as many as 8 or 9 cars to be dumped so this takes a while but is interesting work.
Since the equipment is now equipped with Kadee couplers, it is a joy to operate.


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Woodie,

How does the rope/cable attach to the cars?
Eye loop?
Hook?

What does it attach to on the cars?
Something on the coupler?
On the car itself?


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Howdy Helmut, not shown is the cable & hook.
The hook simply hooks up to the knuckle coupler on the car and the winch hauls the cars (2 at a time) up the incline.
No, I didn't make this to work, those things were in my previous life...now I use imagination.
The mill/smelter only has room for 2 cars at a time anyway.
Besides this takes more time in the operation scheme and in my model world, there are no time constrictions.
I did have 2 crewmen stationed on the incline, one holding the cable & hook,
but the local monster cat got on the incline and "scared them away!"





The missing crewmen are shown on the incline track before they took off to parts unknown.





Here is a view of the "car stop" on the incline.
Using a ground throw, the "stop" is raised to keep the cars from rolling down,
and then lowered to allow them to be moved.





And here is the monster cat, napping by the incline. BAD KITTY!


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Yeah, I got the rope and winch bit thanks Woodie,
but I was just thinking of the shoving of the wagons up the incline as far as their stop before the rope was attached.
That's quite a steep grade even for a Shay to control.


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Doug, that's why I built the idler car.
The Shay doesn't go very far up the incline using it.

Many narrow gauge roads used idler cars,
mostly to perform dual gauge switching.


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Yeah, that's why I said what a good idea!

Reckon we're singing from the same hymn sheet,
just the UK and US words are slightly different - but what's new! 



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Thx Woody.

Very nice, even the monster.  :)



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Been thinking that the railway needs an idler car with 2 trucks and maybe 12 to 14 feet long.
Then the loco won't be anywhere close to elevated track...and I just want to build something new anyway.
I need to keep that messy workbench looking messy a while longer.



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Woody,

I am happy to report that my local monster doesn't jump up onto the layout for some reason,
although she does own her own chair right behind mine in the workshop,
where an afternoon sunbeam tends to appear.



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:old dude:  Obviously listening to the rails for approaching trains !  :slow:

Like in every good Saturday Morning western on the tele.  :cb:
Was any more 'Switching Of The    Double-Garage Mines' ...

... snapped by the company photographer ?  L:


Or even any  BROWNHOIST !  action ?  :bg:

We need to know more ... More ... More ! ... MORE !!  :P



:mex: :mex: :mex: :mex: :mex:



Si.


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Well, right now I am having far more fun ACTUALLY switching the mines than composing photos of switching.
But I will see what I can come up with.
I have been busy with other things also (see post on historical society donation).

WCG



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