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 Posted: Thu Mar 11th, 2010 11:22 pm
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ebtm3 wrote:
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I certainly do not want to put anyone on "the spot" or force Neil to divulge something that he would rather not.


Neil-

Answer as many or as few questions as you see fit. I suppose that I should subscribe to the magazine, but I have missed half the articles already. I will see if I can get back issues.


Both- Just sent in a subscription and an order for all 2009 back issues


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Herb, I should have posted this. The issues you want are the August 2009 and October 2009.

August 2009 - Article Overview

October 2009 - Re-Powering the Sydney Suburban - Part 1

Next - ?? Part 2

Next - ?? Part 3

Next - ?? Part 4

I have the Dec 2009 and the Feb 2010 but nothing in them about Neil's article. They missed a couple issues but Neil told me Part 2 should be in the next issue. They come out every two months so the next issue for me will be the April 2010 issue.

The article has been very interesting so far and I have gotten several ideas that I an using on some of the McKeen Motor Car conversions to Radio Control that I am working on as I type this.

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Herb, Bill,

Bill's right; I wrote the articles trying to cover the full range of what I've been doing and AMRM is doing a slow, but quite nice job, with the stuff I sent them.

I'll answer some basic questions about my radio control, but skip details. The magazine benefits by spreading the word about their publication, but you will need the articles if you want to seriously pursue what I'm doing.

What frequency?     
916 MHz
What radio maunfacturer?     
Linx Technologies
DCC?      
Lot's of confusion here. I use radio with NMRA DCC packet protocol.
So what the heck does that mean?      
The messages to the loco look exactly like DCC but arrive by radio; not the track. There's no master station, no booster, no wiring, no $600 price tag.
So what does a train operator use?    
A hand-held wireless CAB.
What goes in the loco?    
A radio receiver, a decoder and motor controller. Optionally, a battery if there is no track power.
Loco accessory control?
Yes, we have function outputs from the decoder
What about sound?     
I haven't done much in this department
Does this stuff exist?
Yes, it's operational, but not commercialized. (I'm a hobbyist; not a manufacturer.) It's been in use on my HO scale layout for over 2 years.
Will it fit in very small locos?
No general answer here. Lot's of ingenuity is required. This is how I got started on the Stanton Drive (see earlier part of this thread). By using under-floor powered trucks, I free space in the loco body. In the case of electric multiple units, I wanted people in the passender compartment; not machinery.
How many operators?
I have 2 grandsons, who each have a CAB, and they operate compatibly together; so long as I set the routes. The controllers are not a problem because the radio only transmits when a message is sent (a fraction of a second).
How is the system packaged?
I started with a number of separate modules so I could test more easily during development and experiment with different ways to cram stuff into HO spaces. The radio receiver is a separate unit so I can keep it away for the motor (electrical noise). There is a decoder, which includes motor control. The rest of the system concerns battery management and power supply.
Size?
The radio receiver, the decoder and step-up converter all fit in the ceiling of a HO-scale electric multiple unit out of sight about the window line.
 
Okay folks, this should get the conversation started. I appreciate your interest.



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 Posted: Fri Mar 12th, 2010 02:46 pm
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Thanks, Neil

I will await the arrival of the magazines for more information  :slow:  :slow:


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Hi Herb,

Just checking in. Did you receive your AMRM subscription okay. The next issue should have another installment on my radio control.

This thread has gone quiet since your last post (March 12). I could add new comments but interest seems to be focused on use of model car/plane RC in very small locos. My interest is mainline locos; diesel and electric.

Best regards to all.

Neil.

 



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Hi Neil,

I am very interested in how you did the different parts of the installation but the magazine has spread your series over so many months now that it has been hard to keep any focus on it.

I just renewed for my second year so I will get all the issues with the series in it, I hope. I know this is something that you don't have any control over and I sent the magazine an email about stretching the series out over so many months.

Bill

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Hello Niel-

Yes, I did get a sub, and the back issues. You say that the next installment is the coming issue. How many more installments do you suppose that there will be? The magazine, while professionally done, has little of interest to the average US modeler- my feeling is that it is mostly a showcase for new releases of Aussie prototype models---but I am interested in your series, and hope to learn more.

Keep up the good work, and if you have any new news or comments, please post them.

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Yes, I and others use the "inferior" r/c car equipment to operate our trains...but while others wait and fret about the newest thing, we are actually running trains and are happy doing so. As I have stated, I won't be a customer for any new products aimed at the train hobby. Matter of fact, when the "model railroading" designation is applied, the cost is raised dramatically. I wish everybody good luck and it would indeed be a wonderful thing if radio control was embraced by the multitudes.

Now, back to my antiques and the pleasure they offer. I am waiting also, for live steam 1:35 Shay locomotives and real tiny engineers to run them. Guess I will join the "crowd" and fret...

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I agree with Bill re the spacing of installments, but I appreciate the AMRM editor's willingness to publish the series. In total, its 5 parts:

Introduction; Published August, 2009

Repowering a Sydney suburban; October, 2009

Battery Power; Earlier this year

Radio Control, scheduled for next issue

Decoder Conversion, later this year

The overall delay is also frustrating. The work reported was done 3 years ago and the articles were written in July-August, 2008. Development has continued in the direction of packaging the technology for easier application by modellers who simply want to use radio and battery power - not invent it!

Unlike some US publishers, AMRM does not claim copyright on the content of these articles (only the magazine), which allows me to disseminate the info as I choose. However, I did not want to spoil their party thru separate disclosure.

I could put a lot more info on Free Rails but its a fine line between self-promotion and genuinely helping the progress of the hobby. Some folks have been interested enough to request some of my gizmos and reimburse my costs. Sometimes there is commercial fallout; the Stanton Drive, for example; but I'm not a vendor, not a manufacturer; just a retired engineer with a half-finished model railroad (HO) and a bench full electronic stuff that may or may not have a futrue.

Let me know your thoughts. We can keep this thread going if there's sufficient interest.

Neil.

 



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Hi Woodie,

In my book, nothing that works is inferior. I've followed the RC conversation. I also have doubts about the direction being taken by manufacturers, especially in the electronics area where complexity makes reading user manuals more important than enjoying model railroading. Even more discouraging, all this elaborate stuff reduces reliability, makes operation less intuitive, and depletes the bank account.

So I'll also join the crowd and  fret .  . while I tinker with the search for better, more user-friendly electronics. Battery power and radio control is the future.

Once upon a time, model railroading was a hobby; not a market.

Neil.

 

 



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Stanton said:

Once upon a time, model railroading was a hobby; not a market.

Ah, well said. If not for the fact that I'm not equiped with certain tools I'm regulated to using products produced for the masses. However, those products tend to get dismantled for essential components in order that I can create something unique to me. Case in point is the brand spanking new Bachmann 'G scale' Porter I just bought. It's now in pieces and the drives, running gear and electric motor are being used to create my own lokie. I'm into model bashing big time as I simply don't want cookie cutter equipment that everyone else is sporting.

Same goes for my RC gear. Buy a new Losi vehicle, strip it of it's components and insert into my railroad engines. And presto... Frankentrain! :cool:

But alas, the masses are loud and demand ready-to-run stuff now! And the Chinese oblige the masses. It's a statement of our society's need for instant gratification. People simply have lost the desire to work with their hands and create. Lord help us if geopolitical events set the western world back to the nineteenth century. We'll be wishing we were Amish with their self reliant ways. As soon as the flow of oil stops, half the world's population will be goners. Thank gawd I'm a country boy... I'll survive. :)

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