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 Posted: Wed Jul 27th, 2011 11:51 am
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Woodie your as crazy as me but hey it keeps us smiling :)

I believe it will change the world just hope I don't run out of money developing it before it does!

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 Posted: Wed Jul 27th, 2011 02:52 pm
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Rob,

I asked a few questions earlier because I followed the same idea as you. I checked the datasheet for the CC1101 radio. It's in the same frequency band as the as the Linx Technology product I use. It's also used by CVP for their "AirWire" product and by QSI and NCE for their "GWire" It is a narrow band radio product, whereas the momentum in the radio space is "Spread Spectrum" with Europe very big in 2.4 GHz for model aircraft and other hobby uses.

I first wrote up my prototype work for publication in 2008 and it was published in the AMRM magazine (See Bill Fornshell's first post in this thread). Its now in production. Please have a look at http://www.nwsl.com.

Conclusion: You would be too late in the game if you tried to commercialize your design.

That said, I'm delighted to see someone with a radio engineering background offering to help drag model railroading into the future. The model aircraft folks are way ahead of us.

To enter the US market also requires using DCC packet protocol to be compatible with commercially available decoders, which are mature products that sell for incredibly low prices. To get an idea how tough the manufacturuing game is; look up the MSRP (suggested retail price) and divide by 4 to estimate the cost at the factory. It gets worse as US modelers demand sound in their locos and manufacturers scramble to chase this market. Decoder design and manufacturing is something to avoid unless you want to help bring sanity to the immature world of sound decoders where there are few standards and no compatibility between manufacturers.

You could help us greatly with the transition to loco radio control by investigating the next generation of technology and Europe is very well positioned in this space. What we need is a poor man's version of spread spectrum radio adapted to model railroading. What fits in cell phones and Bluetooth doogles is the best bet for N scale and it solves the problem of radio interference in what is becoming a crowded radio spectrum.



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 Posted: Wed Jul 27th, 2011 03:05 pm
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Hi Neil,

Thanks for your reply. It seems that all is not lost as Europe is behind the US on these products. I have done my research and believe that the EU market is ripe for me to sow my seeds as it were.

I hate 2.4GHz for lots of reasons and honestly believe that 868MHz for Europe is the way to go. Why are the solutions in the US all spread spectrum is it that the 1mW radios at 915MHz can't do the range?

My business partner owns a subcontract manufacturing plant so I can produce these products at the right price and as an indication I took the selling price and divided by 5 not 4 :)

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Rob

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 Posted: Wed Jul 27th, 2011 03:27 pm
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Rob,

Excellent, it's good you've done your homework re manufacturing. You are certainly in a better position to tackle the European market. There is someone in France not happy with me because I refused to support the 850 MHz band, even though Linx Tech offers their radio chip for that market.

It's hard to like 2.4 GHz, but that's where billions of $ are being spent by the big -name players. I assume you have looked at Specktrum (Germany) radio products. They are clever products with wide market acceptance.

Best wishes and may your endevours succeed brilliantly. Go get Europe on board!   .    .   and please, .     .   keep us posted here at FreeRails. This is a great forum.



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 Posted: Wed Jul 27th, 2011 03:34 pm
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Hi Neil,

I will keep you posted :) May I enquire about the customer in France?

I have seen the German products and yes they are cool but I still feel I have some nice ideas up my sleeve that will be novel :)

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Rob

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Rob,

The inquiry from France was a FreeRails private message. Sorry, that was a year or more ago and I've since 'cleaned the outbox'.



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 Posted: Wed Jul 27th, 2011 04:08 pm
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Hi Neil,

Ok thanks anyway :)

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.............................If I decided to invest in my design and bring it to market as a proper commercial product would any of you guys be potential customers?.........................

Hi Rob,

I guess I would. But keep in mind that most of us here, me included, have already invested in RC stuff and when it's working and people are satisfied they won't buy as soon as your product will be on the market. I suppose.  What I'am saying is that you aim at the wrong targetgroup in this forum or thread. But I'am sure there is a market and I suggest you to do some marketing to people who do 'play trains' but never thought of rc-control before.... Bring it as something new, make it plug and play, supply controllers also (as a turn-key starter kit), make sure you can controle more than one train with the same controller at the same time, make sure your frequency is legal in Europe also, find dealers, go to shows, make a website, and so on. I'am not a businessman (anymore) but I suppose I could promote your stuff in the Netherlands on shows and in magazines. I believe that 'plug-and-play' and 'affordable' are the magic words. Aim at the mainstream, there is enough exotic stuff to buy for the happy few.

Good luck,

Albert

 



 

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Rob-I agree with Albert, this forum is for discussions about the r/c advance, there may be some interested in new products, but the "real market" might be the readers of Model Railroader, Railroad Model Craftsman, or maybe the Narrow Gauge & Short Line Gazette. Many of us here, me included, have their own stuff and will probably not be customers for new products. I just want to see radio control for trains grow and advance like DCC did 20 years ago. I will support new products with my words, but I am afraid that my money will not be spent for anything new. I have been at this (r/c) for over 8 years and have everything I want or need. I would love to have Stanton's new system, but I would be spending for one loco, not a "fleet", so that limits me as a customer. There will be a day when r/c will be the "standard" much as DCC is now but it is in the future. Keep pushing, the idea is worth all the headaches involved.
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Hi Albert,

Thank you for your wise words. I have already produced a handset with display that is capable of controlling up to 4 locos at a time so I will keep you posted with progress.

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