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Anyone who has any interest at all in Garratts, should look into

"The Anatomy of a Garratt" by Peter Manning  ISBN-978-0-9806212-0-4

Chocked full of scale drawings of every piece of K1, the first Garratt ever made.
Built for the Tasmanian Government for use on the North East Dundas Tramway, a two foot gauge railway.

The locomotive still exists, and runs on the Welsh Highland Railway.

I bought my copy from Camden Miniature Steam Services
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If you order from them, ask for a catalog, they have many railroad books that don't seem to show up in the US


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Thanks Herb-since it seems that the book "reviews" I started have gone off into the netherworld of the internet, I will begin again...HERE. Watch this space for the same old books plus new ones and I trust there will be more posts by others with their favorites. Since you began this thread so long ago with a piece about Garratt locos, I will thusly (old speak) continue and begin again with GARRATT LOCOMOTIVES OF THE WORLD by A.E.Durrant. What do you want to know about these fascinating locomotives...you will find it all in this nice book. This has the history, mechanical overview, and photos of just about every Garratt-country by country. And yes, there is a 2 foot Garratt in the US, down by Houston on a gent's "backyard" layout! My favorites are some tiny little dudes used in the Congo and of course, K1 & K2...the very first of their type. Also, the DHR Garratts in Tibet are just lovely.
So, we begin again. This time around, I will try to post photos of the books just so you will know what to look for and a link to the book from my favorite-Abe Books-so if you want one, just click a couple of times and buy a copy. Please note that I have no financial ties with Abe Books except for the money I pay them for books that I can't live without.

Woodie

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=durrant&sts=t&tn=garratt+locomotives+of+the+world

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Hey Woodie
    I hope it has not gone by the wayside. I enjoy the book end of the hobby. I just have not had any time to comment on the subject. Keep up the reviews.
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Clif-I am afraid that all my jibber jabber and others' posts is (like the X Files) "out there somewhere". So, we begin anew. I will "re do" titles already discussed and add more verbage and when I can, a photo of the book, and hopefully a link to where it might be found. This time, things will be mucho better. Now, what really happened? I had this bright idea of moving the thread to an unused forum where it wouldn't get buried under "Howdy, my name is..." and "My new 1:57.5 layout is..." but as you know, no good deed goes unpunished. Somehow, I got everything F U'ed royally and *poof* it was gone in an instant! Thankfully, Herbert the K fixed up the site and sent me here to this forum.

Next review will be a real "coffee table" book with beautiful old logging photos. If you know what this is, then tell everybody about it. Otherwise, I will bore, er, inform everyone about this real gem and a logger's delight.
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KINSEY-The locomotive portraits. Here's a great older coffee table book which is full of photos, very little verbage except as captions for the photos. Darius Kinsey and wife Tabatha spent years touring the big log shows in the Pacific Northwest and took some of the greatest photos of the railroads and (as here) the equipment. Each photo is very large format and sharp as a tack! You love Shays? How about rod locos? Critters like MAC crew cars? It's all in here. This older book isn't very expensive, probably because it isn't written by Ferrell or one of the hot authors these days, but the photos are above reproach. If you want to see logging locos in all their black & white, sharp focus best...this is a real keeper. There are more books available about Kinsey's work, this is but one. Check it out.

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?tn=kinsey+photographer+the+locomotive+portraits

My favorite photo is of a Sound Lumber Co. speeder with close to 20 loggers on board and standing around. I'll bet that was a hellova ride!

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   The Kinsey book is a great book for a number of reasons. First it is on a great subject. If your a fan of black and white photography, and like Ansel Adams work, this is equally as good with a different subject. The photos are so big and the detail is so great, it is a nut and bolt counters dream. The book inspired me to build a square foot diorama on a logging scene using the detail in his photographs. I just bought one of the "Ron's books Industrial Archeology Series". It is the "Keane Wonder Mining Company" plan set. The interest in it comes from the fact that I have an overhead tram on my layout and this set lays out the construction of the operation in great detail. It is cheap and supplies anyone with all of the needed info. The plans are large format 11 x 17 heavy stock and comb binding. If anyone is looking for construction detail on primarily structures, the plan sets are fabulous.
                                              
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Clif-can you supply a link for the plan sets? I would like to check it out also.

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Try this link. If it works.
http://www.ronsbooks.com/cgi-bin/quikstore.cgi
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These look to be copies of HAER drawings (Historic American Engineering Record) that he is selling

You can download them and print them out for FREE

There are so many, that it might take a while to find what you are looking for, but you can take the title from Ron's site, and do a search.

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/hh/bibliography.html

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Thanks guys. Keep on finding good material and links to access the stuff. The more posts we get means the more info will be available.
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   You are the man!!!!!!!:glad:If I had known or even thought to look the plans up, I might have found that website. What a treasure trove of info. You are correct, in that these are the plans I was writing about. The only problem is that now I will be cruising another site for stuff. Not just stuff, but great stuff. If anyone has access and the time I would highly recommend a look at the site. :apl::apl::apl::apl::apl::apl:
                                     
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Yes, and for the most parts the drawings are excellent.

I think that the structure plans can be relied on to be accurate, because they were verified (as far as I know)
when the various teams visited the properties.

I have copies of the EBT shop complex drawings, and there are some errors in the identification of some of the internal pieces. This was not caused by the people who did the drawings,- they relied on the then general manager to identify various pieces of machinery, instead of someone who knew machinery. In the machine shop, the 14" Steptoe shaper is identified as  "metal cutting machine"

Everything in there is a d**n metal cutting machine.


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Now, here's another great book-UINTAH RAILWAY by Bender. You Colorado narrow gauge guys who want something a bit different would really appreciate this book. One of my favorites, this tells about the Uintah which ran from the NW part of Colorado up into Utah and hauled Gilsonite, a dark brown mineral used for asphalt, insulation, and even the black lacquer used on Model T's. Matter of fact, Gilsonite is only found in the area where the railroad ran. Over the years, the URy had motive power as diverse as a 2-4-2t, Shays, inside frame 2-8-2's, and the only 2 narrow gauge articulateds used in the US. The rolling stock was also quite diverse, from passenger cars to gons and boxes to cabooses-one of which was a 4 wheel bobber that makes a neat model. If you want a good read and dandy photos, you can't beat this one. And copies are rather cheap these days.

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=bender&sts=t&tn=uintah+railway

Even if you are not modeling Colorado NG, you will find some great ideas in this one and those who believe you need wide curves to look "prototype" might better not look here.

Woodie

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I use to like the Uintah myself simply because they did have those mallets. As I recall they went to the Sumpter Valley RR in Oregon then and eventually ended up somewhere in Central America. Always wondered why these weren't the ones Bachmann modeled their offerings after.

I think I have a book on the Uintah from back when I was a young man. I'll have to go to the book box in the attic and see if it's the same one.

Mike

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I just came across a very interesting reference resource, thanks to a link on a French modeling forum. This site has several digitized books by Walter Gilman Berg, which feature plans and info about railroad structures:

http://archive.org/search.php?query=walter%20gilman%20berg

One of the books is titled, "Buildings and Structures of American Railroads", and is a reference book for railroad managers, superintendents, architects, etc.

There is also a similar book on American railway bridges and structures, and another on railway shop systems.

They can all be viewed online, downloaded to an ebook, or downloaded as a pdf.

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I mentioned the following books in the earlier thread which got vaporized into internet hell but once again, here are some of my favorites. Why some? The great author David F. Myrick published a multitude (whatta word) of books on the US Southwest: Railroads of Nevada, vol 1 & 2. Railroads of Arizona, vol 1 through 6. Railroads of New Mexico. And many others with both railroad and non railroad themes. If your interests run to history and railroads of this area, then you might want to buy, borrow, or see if the local library has them. Photos? There are many in all his books. Words? The man was a historian and writes in a very "readable" style.  Now, these ain't gonna be cheap, they are well worth the money it takes to own them and you will be able to talk about, think about, and MODEL these wonderful railroads without risking being shot at by the armchair pit-nickers! DAVID F. MYRICK-remember that name if you want solid info about wonderful railroads.

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=david+f+myrick&sts=t

Check them out, I give them a 10 and a beat that you can dance to!

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I too have found many books from the same site that Ray found

http://archive.org

If you search for "railroad" and select "all media types".... be prepared to fill up your hard drive.

I have grabbed many books to help in my design stages...and those for help in kit-bashing and scratch-building.

There are a few Car Builders Dictionary (different issues), many handbooks and field books for the railway engineers, there are a few magazines too (American Engineer, Railway Age, Railway Mechanic) and a 9 volume "Cyclopedia" on Civil engineering for the railway. There are a couple of books on Railway Structures, one on building them and one on their cost estimations. All interesting scale drawings that might be used on our layouts.

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LITTLE RAILWAYS OF THE WORLD by Fredric Shaw. A wonderful little book, I could only find one available from Abe Books: http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?kn=little+railways+of+the+world&sts=t&x=58&y=11

Page down and you can find it. If you are modeling Gn15, this is for you because it has a chapter on the Romney, Hythe, & Dymchurch, a great British 15" gauge line which weathered WW2 and was used for troop movements and is still operating. Also the Overfair Ry, built for the San Francisco Exposition in 1918 and was a 18" gauge "common carrier". More? How about the Wisconsin Dells, Centerville & SW, Wabash, Frisco & Pacific. All these are "minimum gauge" lines. Then there's the old Festiniog RR, the Talyllyn RR, and the Gilpin Tram...plus a bit about my favorite, SCPA&M. And lots, lots more. Many photos and even some great plans drawn by Mr. Shaw, a great architect and draftsman. I have loved this little book since I was a kid, it and Beebe & Clegg made me want to model narrow gauge. Find a copy or rent one if the library has one, you will just drool all over it!

Woodie

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Hey Woodie
 A little out of the realm, but two great books. "The Iron Sherpa" by T. Martin. It works well if your trying to do Gn15. The system would fit. Second is just a great book, Southern Pacifics Sacramento Shops. By R Pecotich. What an operation. Hard to imagine the work force that was there. Both books are pricey to say the least. Another book that I don't recall if it was posted is Robert Sloan's "DRGW + 10".
If your a DRGW fan this is a real great one for info. The drawings and text on each type of car is outstanding. Great reference  if your trying to do a presentable looking piece for the DRGW.

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Clif-interesting that you mention Robert Sloan, he and Carl Skowronski authored THE RAINBOW ROUTE, a wonderful book about the Silverton RR and the other railroads around Silverton, the SN, SG&N, and the mines and mills they served. This book has been around many years and prices range from fairly reasonable to ???

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=sloan%2Fskowronski&sts=t&tn=the+rainbow+route

If you are a lover of narrow gauge, Silverton, high mountain passes, and incredible scenery, this is for you. This book was published by Sundance and is typical in being first rate, pirined on high quality paper, and even has a clear plastic dust cover which is still intact after over 30 years. My copy was left to me by my late buddy Steve Beck and has an inscrfiption to him by Dr. Sloan. Nope, it ain't for sale! What is in this book that's so cool? Hundreds of historic photos, then and now photos, even plans for locos, cars, and structures. Find a copy of this one if you love the most famous narrow gauge of them all! (my opinion)...

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I had a copy of a similiar paper covered book by Sloan from maybe 20 + years ago and even though it did not cover a lot, it still made a person a fan of his work. I also have "The Rainbow Route" and yes it is a real great one also. Just about four weeks ago, Myself and friends were camped at the old Eureka townsite, which is at the base of the Sunnyside Mill. Up the rode is Animas Forks. We have been going down there for at least the last twenty five years. Even though the changes have come, there still is an immense amount of mines, mills, scenery,
history and yes of course train stuff. The place is still a train mecca for me and the friends. We rode about 75 miles of back woods trails and roads this time. There is no way to see all of it, unless you make several trips. Kind of like going to the Cumbres and Toltec for a day and realizing you are way short on time.
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Clif-that's right! About Cumbres & Toltec, my wife's ashes are along the main at Cumbres Pass. That will aways be a special place for me.
Have fun & run a train!

Woodie

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When Don and my son visited the "Puffing Billy", my son brought back several books from their gift shop.

(why is it always called a "gift shop"? the items are never free--)

Hands down, the best of these is "Puffing Billy in the Modern Era", by Nick Anchen. Ninetysix pages of great color photos, most full (9 1/2" X 6 1/2") page size. A few "atmospheric" shots, steam, fog, and the like, but lots of great, sharp photos.

Any one with the slightest interest in narrow gauge should buy this book.  $24.99Aus.  There is no address in the book for the railway, but I'm sure that Don can supply one, if gently prodded.

Oh and BTW-- the railway has always been 30" gauge---that's right--On2 1/2, On30 Whatever.

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KINSEY-The locomotive portraits. Here's a great older coffee table book which is full of photos, very little verbage except as captions for the photos. Darius Kinsey and wife Tabatha spent years touring the big log shows in the Pacific Northwest and took some of the greatest photos of the railroads and (as here) the equipment...(snipped)

I agree. This book was Volume 3 of a set of Kinsey's work. One of the other books is primarily about loggers, and the pictures are just as clear and crisp and spectacular as the ones in "The Locomotive Portraits". Kinsey was an artist. It's difficult to understand why he isn't as well known as Ansel Adams. If you can buy or borrow any of the 3 volumes, spend an hour or so with it. It will be time well spent.

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Howdy Cleo, welcome to Freerails. Since you know Kinsey's work, I imagine that you appreciate quality also. Please feel free to tell us about your favorite books, more info is better info.

Writing about quality, for the life of me I can't imagine why books by the following authors are not appreciated as they should be. Lucius Beebee & Charles Clegg wrote many great books about railroads and were some of the earliest works to promote railroads in prose and photos. MIXED TRAIN DAILY is one of these great books. If there is one book that would be a "go to" book for us narrow gaugers and short liners, this one is it. Stories about obscure and wonderful little lines are presented and photos illustrate a great time in American railroading. Chances are that your favorites are mentioned and even seen here. I have never seen any photos of the Waco, Beaumont, Trinity, & Sabine RR from Central Texas (my home), but there are a couple in this book. Beebe & Clegg's books are fairly cheap on the book sellers' sites and I wonder why. Just enter their names on the search field and see what turns up. You won't be disappointed by any of their books, they are all timeless.

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MEXICAN NARROW GAUGE by Gerald Best...

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=best&sts=t&tn=mexican+narrow+gauge

One of my favorites, this one has narrow gauge for the real nuts. Yes, it is about Mexican roads but they all seemed to use US locos-Baldwin, Alco, Porter, Cooke, etc., etc.. and different gauges-2 feet to whatever. The first Heisler was used in Mexico, the smallest Baldwin 4-4-0 (2 footer) was in Mexico City, and the NdeM ran big old 4-6-6-4's on 3 foot gauge. They look like the big locos that C&O used! It's all there and more. This is a great book for the narrow gauge lover, no matter that it is from the "South". Check it out.

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I've wanted to get the Mexican Narrow Gauge book for years, but it's been out of print so long, it's hard to find a used copy that does cost an arm, a leg, and a few internal organs. I wish someone would reprint it.

One of my favorite books in any subject is "The Empire Road" by David Haward Bain. It's THE definitive account of building the Transcontinental Railroad. In addition to providing enough background to put the events into context, he also had access to a great deal of personal correspondence that had never been studied before. I found it very stirring.

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Ray-yes' I know about the Mexican RR book's price. I bought the lowest priced one that Abe had...so every body else has to pay more! Me bad!

Like the book you described, I have one that is a really interesting read, and it is CHEAP right now-just $7.50. But there is only ONE available.

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=kniess&sts=t&tn=bonanza+railroads

BONANZA RAILROADS by Gilbert Kneiss. I told about this one in the thread that got eaten by the internet, so here it is again.  This nice book has just a few rare old photos but the read is very interesting. The Central Pacific, Southern Pacific, Virginia & Truckee, Carson & Colorado...their stories are all here. The info is about the "nabobs and brass hats" that built these railroads, warts and all. Lavish parties and nasty scandals are all in here, sort of a railroad lover's Peyton Place. The great old authors Lucius Bebee & Charles Clegg were friends of Mr. Kneiss and gave him credit for getting them interested in western railroad lore. So there you have it, a book for readers and those who love railroad history. Now, who will buy the last one from this link?

Woodie

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Hi Guys.

Some great recommendations here.
Good drawn-plans are sometimes hard to come by for building models.

Kinseys photography is among the VERY best there is.
I have a wonderful collection of his work.

Nice one on the original Garret book Herb.
I always liked that Texan 'Thomas the tank' version !!

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I splashed out on Vol 1 and 2 of the IRON SHERPA..the definitive books on the Darjeeling Narrow gauge railway. They DID cost an arm and a leg and are the heaviest books I have ever had to hold and read. (you can't hold them really..you need to rest them on the table!!) they are printed on glossy paper and must weigh about 3-4 pounds each!! Hell of a good reference tho' if you are into the DHR.
They also have scale drawings of all rolling stock ancient and modern.


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