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 Posted: Sun Jan 17th, 2010 04:09 pm
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Michael- I couldn't have put it better---and I have trouble boiling water!!


Bob- I didn't mean to criticize the work of those starting out because, as you said, we were all there at one point. Nor did I intend to belittle someone who would choose to build a model of an engine that looked like it came from the Fiddletown and Copperoplis, which for want of a better word, could be called a fantasy model. About a year ago I saw on some other site, some shots of a model built in that style of an engine that had appeared in an English cartoon, I believe. The work was a distinct credit to the man who had built it.

My question was/is directed to those who have progressed past the beginner stage, and were trying to replicate a real, believable railroad.

If someone wants to build, or collect, all the Thomas the Tank "characters" that's OK with me--not something that I would want---but I hope that I wouldn't say anything negative about the person, or what he was doing. Same thing with Lionel.

While a model built exactly (as possible) to a prototype is, and should be, a source of pride to the builder or owner, as Michael said, it requires a lot of time to get everything correct--and then there is always the material that was not available to the builder at the time, that shows that some little detail on the model is not correct.

So yes, there are a lot of model railroaders who don't give a rats patootie  about all this, and they still have fun, and hopefully enjoy what they are doing.

And yes, It should be fun, whatever direction the modeler takes



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 Posted: Sun Jan 17th, 2010 05:40 pm
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Bob Hitchcock wrote:
 The Pontiac Aztec? :shocked:OMG what was going through their minds?!!! My brother in law drove one  the pre-production models by the house I LMAO asking what the :us: is that?

Now, tell me why GM failed...

According to a friend of mine who has worked at GM Canada since early 60-s , its the bean counters who are in charge and not the car guys !  Some of the ABSOLUTE CRAP they have turned out upon the car and truck buying public is in my opinion , criminal.  BUT, you see they did not care because they owned close to 40% market share.  For every ex customer who bad mouthed their product and then switched brands they figured, no problem theres another buyer right behind them. Eventually that market share dropped to 15% or less and bankrupcy happened.

When visiting the USA and travelling to florida and new england areas i was always amazed at the amount of japanese built and german built vehicles on the roads and the lack of USA big 3 dominating the roads.  Kind of a huuuuuum, whats going on here, because where i live next to where Gm builds here in Canada, big 3 dominate the landscape

You could also base it on their obsession with hiring people from the california based design studios who may or may not have smoked too much wacky tabacki before and after they graduated.  I think they like the invented word.....f-ugly when referring to their custom built SHOW FUTURE CARS. 

Some of the annually shown new car show designs are so off the wall and OUT THERE , you wonder if LSD is still a common use drug ? A lot of these wackie designs  also come from japan .

I think the new ford mustang is such a best seller among the pony cars, because they actually built what people wanted in a redo design.  I saw pictures of a show car,  Ford was showing a few years ago 2004 that they called the FORD FORTY-NINER, ( google it ) was a similar look to a 49--51 slabside ford pass car 2 door design. It was black , low and nasty looking...apparently they , the upper pooh-bahs killed it.    Decided that the dead Taurus re birth was a priority...........its where the word f-ugly was first heard about a car...from my wife no less.

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 Posted: Sun Jan 17th, 2010 05:43 pm
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Herbie-I won't get into any "discussion" here about freelancing...I tend to shy away from any controversy. Earlier remarks I made about layouts being built by several guys, that was not ment to include the fine exhibition or club layouts.. I was talking about the Mr Megabucks who owns a bank, etc. and has others build "his" layout. Must be nice, but I wouldn't call it satisfying. Must be that Wall Street mentality. I have seen many beautiful freelance railroad models, things that appeal to me far more than the "nuts & bolts" replica. The word "soul" could be used here...some have it, some don't.

Thomas the tank engine is a great show for the kids, but have you ever looked at the layout where it is taped? Good grief, we should all have scenery like that..just beautiful. Now if it wasn't for the funny people and the locos' faces... And here in Dallas, we have the once a year Northpark Train show that benefits Ronald McDonald charities..it is Lionel all the way but the very large layout has some beautiful scenery and structures amid the working oil wells and log loaders. Both of these lines are freelance, fantasy, made for the show. But while many hardcore "replicators" look down on such, the kids love it. And who is gonna be the future of the hobby, some 100 year old kickers or the kids who grew up on Thomas and the Northpark trains?  I have my own ideas on the "future" of this hobby (see the r/c thread).

To paraphrase Mr Frost..."the woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep and trains to run before I sleep.".           

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 Posted: Sun Jan 17th, 2010 07:17 pm
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I agree with most previous comments. My L&B layout is a 'what could have been' and includes two scatch built Mallets. I did actually design them first as working steam locos to ensure that they looked 'right'.



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 Posted: Sun Jan 17th, 2010 09:59 pm
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Herb, Dear Sir I didn't mean to be offensive with my comment. I do agree with your statement.  My sincere apologies. Awhile back,I had found a forum and quit it abruptly (ASAP) where if you didn't plant the tree, nurture it to its full growth, hand make the saws to cut the tree down, mill your lumber with your own hand made tools, then scratch build the model train from the scale lumber you just cut after raising the tree it was made from . along with ever other detail part involved Your model didn't count in their elite group. Those are the people I have a issue with .

Mike you hit the nail on the head... The designs with the "faceted" look never appealed to me at all.  I often thought if Ford would re-tool the model A with modern drive train and amenities it would sell like hot cakes.



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Bob,

At first : I don't feel offended :bg:...

On the other hand, is there only two levels of Modeling?
Not two levels, only different ways. The fact, if someone make freelance models or he build from a prototype says nothing about the quality of his modelling. Btw, taking some trains straight "out of the box" and making a great operation session for 2 or 3 hours is model railroading too - just one more way to do it.

Or is having fun no longer part of this hobby?
Hey, you are right - I don't mentioned the fun :bg:. But if I don't have fun and satisfaction, I would never ever start to building the next model...

I totally agree with your words about beginners. There is a colorful mixture in this forum, from absolute beginners with their first questions up to master modellers - and it's a great atmosphere (Thanks to Dave :rah:) We can learn a lot from each other.

Herb,
do you have Nellie and the "Far tottering and oyster creek railway" in mind?

http://www.smallbrookstudio.com/page_1201119089109.html
(I LOVE this sherry tank car from the "Blackgang smuggler's co-operative")

http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/125474

It was a caricature, but an existing railway also, and even one with a big commercial success - something for everyone :bg:.

Michael

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Bob--

No offense taken.

Glad to hear your comments about the Model A --I agree- but the gumment would make sure that I didn't want one

Car styling came to a screeching halt in 1934--then came Harvey Earl---(_!_)


And yes Michael, The Far Tottering and Oyster Creek iis what I was thinking of-- just couldn't remember the name !
 

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I drove for six years a Cord which to me is still the best looking car ever. OK, it left oil everywhere it went and the rear of the car would be anywhere around a corner, but the front always stayed where it was supposed to be. It was in nice condition but not restored and never broke down once!

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Bob Hitchcock wrote: Herb, Dear Sir I didn't mean to be offensive with my comment. I do agree with have a issue with .

Mike you hit the nail on the head... The designs with the "faceted" look never appealed to me at all.  I often thought if Ford would re-tool the model A with modern drive train and amenities it would sell like hot cakes.



Actually the Model A ford 1928--1929 first body design and 1930--1931 would not be the car of choice for Ford to re-offer, would not sell.  The 1932 ford 3 window coupe or roadster or convertable would be what they would offer. The demand for all steel repo bodies and body parts continues unabated since the 60's. There has been more 32 fords licensed and built as hot rods than what they originaly built in 1932.

Actually Ford Motor Company did offer a small run of 3 window all steel coupes a couple of years ago. I believe they came with boss 351 V8 motors in them.  They had a deal with somebody to produce them .

The 1932 Ford has achieved Elvis and mike Jackson and to some GOD status. They , the great unwashed , worship the body style and the year as being the penulitimat thing that ford ever did and ever will do .  As far as these devotees are concerned its the only car worth owning , all others are just a waste of metal, or fiberglass if your a lower $$$ person.   Some of these people are even so hard core as to only stay in hotel motel room  #32 at major meets. !!!!!!!!!!  Yes folks they walk amoungst us.
 

I am not a devotee of the 32 Ford or DUECE as its commonly referred to. Its most outstanding feature was the radiator shell design  and instantly at first glance you recognise it. So if you put a duece radshell on a 1928--31 ford its easily confused with being a 32 ford , at first glance.  And that my friends is fighting words in the wrong group of people. !

mike lynch.........president of the I HATE 32 FORDS CLUB

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1940 ford coupe would be a good candidate.  Hey, what can I say I'm a dreamer:!:

A classic Cord! Really!!! that has my attention 100%:shocked:



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