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 Posted: Tue Jan 26th, 2010 04:16 pm
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Looks like Grandt Line discontinued the Merced ore car kit...anyone have any extras or some good drawings laying around?

Gary

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 Posted: Tue Jan 26th, 2010 10:54 pm
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Gary-I bought one of these kits long ago...4 cars for 60 bucks. I opened the box and found hundreds of teeny tiny parts which was OK, I guess. I built one of the cars, not putting all the bits & pieces on...some of them went into the concrete canyon and others went flying off from the tweezers grip. After I got the thing built, it became apparent that it was probably ment for some static diorama since the wheels were plastic and did not roll worth a ^%$# even after a bunch of messin' and so I replaced them with NWSL wheels and still had to mess with the plastic journals to get it all rolling. And then...the extremely tiny link & pin couplers-they were not made to operate, at least by me. And the weight? None...and no place to add any weight unless you want to destroy some nice details. Don't get me wrong, it was a wonderful kit and looked really nice even without all the NBW's, etc. I gave GAVE the 3 remaining kits to a good friend who still has them, he almost had a heart attack when he looked at the parts! I will ask him to let me scan the plans or maybe he can do it...this may be a while, however. I believe that a string of them would look very cool and with a Porter in front...whatta train! If I was gonna build some of these cars for my layout, these days I would probably make the bodies from brass-for weight-and add the parts to that. Grandt Line makes/made some great kits, but since this one was cut, it may have been due to low sales due to nobody being able or willing to build stuff like that any more. Possibly a sad commentary on today's skills mindset.

GL also had a nice kit for a wood side dump car, looks the same as the Bachmann On30 RTR guys. I built one of these and same thing...it didn't roll well and was too light. The Bachmann cars worked better for me and they can actually tip to unload. These cars are now part of the limestone quarry operation to feed the smelter. I guess that I am guilty of forsaking a nice kit for an RTR model.   Woodie



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 Posted: Wed Jan 27th, 2010 04:00 pm
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That would be great!  I too wondered how well these things would roll, being made almost exclusively from plastic.  At a minimum, I'd like to get ahold of some drawings/directions so that I can see how feasible it would be to attempt a brass version.

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Gary

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 Posted: Wed Jan 27th, 2010 06:21 pm
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Gary-maybe this will help until we can get the plans done...the GAZETTE had plans & info about these cars in the Mar/Apr 1988 issue-page 79. I am pretty sure the mag is long out of print, but someone may have a copy around and be willing to share.  Good luck.        Woodie



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Gary, I have a couple of kits and second Woodie's comments...they are display models unless built very carefully, and like all of Grandt's offerings, aren't really made to operate.  It would be necessary to replace the wheelsets at a minimum.

There is a big gap in realistic, easy to operate ore cars.  I have tried improving the Bachmann tilt ore cars, with some paint and weathering they can look really good.  I have a growing fleet of the Grandt Koppel ore cars, for which I replace the Grandt frame and wheelsets with metal HO trucks for better rolling and tracking performance, plus to add needed weight.

PS - I hope to get out to measure La Nena this Sunday, if we can get a break in the weather!  We have had more rain in the past month than in the previous 12!

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Hmmm...guess I need to break down and draw up the specs and parts list for the Chisos Ore Cars. These are lightly based on the Silver City prototype and work very well as Woodie can attest.

Even though these are built for our 1:35 scale trams the very same size can be used in On30 or even On3.

Yes, they do take time to build but i consider that much better than paying out good money to one of them phi-sa-chiatrists.



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Do the Koppel ore cars work OK with new trucks and weight? They sure look nice



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 Posted: Thu Mar 4th, 2010 04:47 pm
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Duane-the Koppel cars do work nice with weight and new wheels. Some guys install a free rolling truck underneath, it's not seen anyway. I would probably stuff in as much weight as you can so they track well. Like the Merced cars Gary wants, they would probably do better if made from brass. I like the double truck cars, James & I run them and while they are plastic, we can hide some weight in the floors. It would be cool to make some from brass...but I don't need any more now.

                  Woodie

PS-Gary-my friend still can't find the plans. He has found the car kits but like others of our great age, he has "misplaced" the instructions. Wait till he tries to build the stinkin' things!



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 Posted: Fri Mar 5th, 2010 04:46 pm
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The Koppel cars work fine, but extra weight does make the difference...and it's necessary to replace the stock Grandt wheelsets and axles.  I use metal Athearn HO express reefer trucks under mine.  I don't add extra weight because most of the cars have a real rock load in them, which helps operation. 



I can shove 5 of them with a modified Porter (lead weight added fore and aft) up a 4% grade with no problems, it is very gratifying to see the loco work to get the cars up the grade.  I also run cuts of 10 on my level track, pushing and pulling with reliable operation.  This is with link and pin couplers, but I am sure the same results would be achieved with standard knuckle couplers.

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What method are you guys using to mount the new trucks to the chassis? I just started working on a pair of the koppel's tonight. Are you just epoxy'ing the trucks to the bottom?

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