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Been some talk about log rails and their use in logging. I ran across this photo and thought it rather interesting. Looks like a mix of both worlds. Logs with rails on top and the cars drawn by horse. Thus the one horse power engine.
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Bobby-that is one cool photo! Old Dobbin looks like he's ready to bolt and run through the woods rather than pull that car another mile! OK, HERE'S A CHALLENGE: Somebody build a model of this and I dare, double...TRIPLE DOG DARE anybody to make this actually work! I have an idea (which does not involve raising a 1.5" tall horse) on how to do this but I ain't gonna spill the beans until I hear other ideas.

                             Woodie-betcha can't do it...

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W C Greene wrote:
Bobby-that is one cool photo! Old Dobbin looks like he's ready to bolt and run through the woods rather than pull that car another mile!


LMAO - He does look a little put out. I figured he was looking at the glue factory and thinking that it might not be as bad as he has heard.:shocked:


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Bobbyb~~~~~~~~~~~~

If it ain't too late I'd like to get an order in for one of the Kyosho VW Golf thingy so I can put Woodie to work installing it in the tender of my Mantua basterdized articulated. He says he can do it in five minutes so at his work rate of $80.00 per hour I can afford it AND  the Kyosho thingy if your rate of $65.00 for it still goes.

I'll be glad to come get it and save you the trouble and expense of mailing it or you can come by the house and deliver it in your own good time...whichever.  I would need a home address for you in the first case and since I'm so bad with names would you tell me again what bobbyb stands for?  I'm here nearly all the time so you can PM or I'll listen for you on freerails tomorrow to see if you get this PM...my computer is like everybody elses...I don't understand it. Or try e-mail ...mudge85@prodigy.net. Whatever blows your dress up.

Thank you, Sir. 

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Mudge,

I replied to your email. Got you on the list to get a car.

Bobby

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Bobby~~~~~~~~~~

Dobbin looks more like 3/4 horsepower.

Bill C...C@l

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What the hell???!!! Must sleep now...must sleep now...must....

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Hmmm!
I did some research with a fellow back in the late 90s on a sawmill that was up in the mountains east of here. It started in the late 1800s and was run by electricity, which was generated by a pelton wheel on a local stream. It shifted to another site down the creek, and ran on mains power, and so became unprofitab le and closed down! You can still see the sawdust heaps from the original mill.

Why am I saying this, oh, yes, it initially used a horse drawn tramway running on 4 inch wooden rails to log the immediate area.
When that ran out, they ran a 2 foot gauge steel line up a steep incline and put a steam driven donkey engine at the top, with facilites for delivery of supplies, and they also had another donkey engine and a spar pole to enable a 4 km cable to be run out by horse (no relation to this one) and then logs were hauled back in under power. When the trucks reached the bottom of the hill, across a small trestle over the creek, there was a small rise into the mill, and they used to run a cable out to the truck and haul it up to the mill. You can still see the foundations of the donkey engine and the electricity generator.


So two things come from this: the original horse drawn tramway and what I am about to say now...

To take the milled timber (lumber to you guys) out of the sawmill - it was fairly inaccessible, especially to the early forms of transport, so another horse drawn wooden tramway was used to take the timber out to waiting drays or trucks down on the mainroad.

We spent a day on this and some 6 or seven rolls of film resulted. Maybe I should write this up... We were able to see most of where the tramtrack went, including the spot where a somewhat deeper creek was crossed by a trestle; of course the trestle had disappeared along time ago, but the earthworks and formation were still there. Also evident was a water run that took water from closer to the local town up to the mill.

Not long after our little foray into history, one of the farmers across whose farm the old line went, filled in a cutting leading to one of small bridges on the line. He must have though that he was going to inundated with people loooking to see it ... hmm, don't know about that.

Ok, there 'tis
Don

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Well ---

Since over 2 years of long and arduous struggle have elapsed--and no one has come up with an idea how to make the horse pull the car--I am going to at least come up with a proposed way of making it happen--just the basic concepts, no part by part instructions mind you--and NO, I'm not going to build one -- even if the troublemaker quadruple HORSE dares me!

Horse is connected to cart with two thin pieces of music wire, which a mechanism inside the log pile alternately pushes and pulls. when one wire is going forward, the other is being pulled back--then they both change directions at the same time.

Horse has plenty of lead in his as----er, his rump and body, for traction. Legs have rubber hooves (same reason) Legs are hinged at the knee (not sure if it's called that on a horse, and ask me if I care---) so that when leg is straight, the knee is locked, but the leg can swing backwards freely. Music wire pushes and pulls leg slightly above knee joint. When wire pushes leg forward lower part of leg bends at knee, and hoof drags along ground. (horse is tired). When wire reverses and pulls, first knee straightens, then "locks" and hoof pulls horse forward.

Horses don't advance both legs on the same side at the same time obliviously--they would fall over (horse VERY tired?) so the wire going to the left rear leg would have to cross over under the belly to the right front leg--same deal with the other wire--right rear, cross over, left front. The horse would undoubtly have a very unsteady--close to staggering--- gait--(horse is drunk!) but the net result would be the cart moving forward--


I think-

OK Woodrow-- what was your plan to make it happen--we have waited long enough!


Herbie 

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Very simple Herbert... begin cloning super miniature horses and mules. Then miniature humans are not far behind. Remember, all you would have to pay the humans is with scale money. Now, back to sleep...

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BOO!---HISS!

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Well then...NERTS! Some years back, there was a piece in Garden Railways (I think) about a fellow who made a 4 wheel tram car which was pushed by a human. The article showed how the modeler made the 1" scale figure work using threads run through his shirt from the car which had a clockwork mechanism. The little man's legs ACTUALLY walked along and PUSHED the tiny car on it's rails. The builder made the man to look like a Coolie with loose fitting clothes and a straw hat. As I remember, the legs actually moved along and his shoes did in fact provide traction as he pushed the car. This was on about a 3 foot piece of track and told how folks just about freaked out when he wound up the thing and they saw it "run". I wish I knew which issue this was in, I know that I saw it!
So much for animated horses, etc...this was the "real deal". OK Herbert, what's next?

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Well here gos 5 years ago I built a horse drawn street car using a Bachmann Cable car I put a 2 horse hitch on the front of the car it was mounted to the car with a details assoicates eye hook I then took a piece of plastic and glued this accross the hoofs of the back legs to this i bent two rail joiners at right angles the rail joiner rode the top of the rail and the tabs rode the flange way like a slot car to guide the horses This worked well until the car developed a split gear You could take the body off the car and hide the motor with a hollow load and do the same thing I did Paul

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Somewhere I saw where a guy had built a G scale miner pushing an ore cart, that actually worked. So it should be feasible to do with four legs too.

I found the video of it:

http://youtu.be/dSYD98Wv66c

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Ray-that just HAS to be the model I talked about in the earlier post! Just incredible. Thanks for the link for a video of this.

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Check out this link for a diagram showing how it worked:

http://www.belfieldhall.co.uk/belfield/ngr/walkingman_01.html

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Bill-that's the story I remember! Thanks for the link. Now, how would a horse or mule be rigged to move and actually pull a car? I know it's possible!

Woodie


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