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 Posted: Tue Jun 29th, 2010 04:04 pm
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http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=2587&forum_id=40

Click on the above link to my little Gila Tramway layout. I used MDC/Roundhouse HOn3 Shay locos as the basis for my On20 locos and PSC HOn3 trucks (plastic sideframe kits are about 5 bucks vs more for brass). You could use readily available HOn3 track & switches or make your own. Grandt Line makes nice Gilpin Tramway On2 car kits (cheap also) which look great with the HOn3 trucks. Yep, I like On20 but anything is cool as long as it is extreme narrow gauge. In O scale, On18(on N gauge track) is a viable choice. As for tight curves? My GT has 10" radius and the little Shay cruises around nicely.

A micro/mini layout is a great way to build something to run and even take to shows and visiting other train nuts' homes. It could even be a basis for a larger layout. It just takes imagination.

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 Posted: Tue Jun 29th, 2010 04:38 pm
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Titus - Don't even think about hand laid track:w:been there - wasn't fun. Regular Atlas or Peco flex is just fine; also check out Tomix Finetrack - this is a fixed radius system that uses 100mm and 140mm curves and 140mm radius turnouts. (100mm = 4", 140mm = 5.5").   Looks like Kato track and I think you can remove the roadbed. See the Small Layout Scrapbook from a couple month's ago, look for Jim MacIntyre's HOn30 modules. This would have been perfect for my original layout. My PARR&W micro uses Atlas & Peco and looks great, all you need is paint and ballast. - Russ

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 Posted: Wed Jun 30th, 2010 12:22 am
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I have an obsessive-compulsive urge to draw micro-layouts. Here's just an idea- 2' x 4', the lower loop is 2 foot (HOn3), 7" radius, the upper loop is 18" (N), 6" radius. This is Peco HOn30 (HOe) track - the ties are bigger than the N scale track. Each level has a short staging track. Basically you move ore from the Banta Cimarron Mine on the upper loop to the tipple on the other side where it is dumped into 24" gauge cars for the trip to the out of sight mill. Woodie mentioned the Arizona Copper railroads, try to find a Finescale Railroader 2004 Logging, Mining & Industrial Annual - it has the whole collection of Mal Ferrell's articles about the little railroads. 2 foot equipment - The Grandt On2 Plymouth can be regauged down to HOn3, the small Gilpin ore cars are OK, steam - you are on your own. 18" equipment - Railway Recollections has an On18 Brookvllle which would work well, I have done little steam locos using the Life-Like 0-6-0 mechanism. Cars - all the Railway Recollections On18 flats, low & high side gons and the new ore cars would be great. All are designed for Micro-Trains trucks & couplers. Awyway here's the railroad. Go for it - Russ

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 Posted: Wed Jun 30th, 2010 01:27 am
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@Woodie -- I did not know those shay's could take a 10" radius turn. I had looked at On30 a year or so ago, and at that time most people had said 15" radius was the minimum for the Bachmann equiptment. I'll have to look into the shay you're talking about.

@Russ -- Oh yes, I am familiar with the dedication and attention that handlaid track requires. I started about 6 months ago and I do have a record of some of my first efforts (the turnout on the left being my first ever actually) --
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wastingtape/4357695033/sizes/m/

While I have no fear of handlaying track, what I am somewhat apprehensive about is re-gauging loco mechanisms. That's actually a large part of the reason I was looking at N track, was to be able to simply use Kato or Bachmann mechanisms w/o regauging.

The layout design you posted looks interesting. The numbers are hard to read, but is that saying 48" by 24"? It's sure a lot of track for the space. Actually, truth be told I was working on a HOn30 layout last year before I moved to Colorado. Now that I'm in an apartment I've been thinking about an "apartment sized" layout. I was planning on 24" x 18" or so, but maybe I can squeeze some more space out of somewhere haha.

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 Posted: Wed Jun 30th, 2010 01:32 am
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About the Grandt Line On2 Plymouth -- According to the grandt website it is discontinued. Where do you find those nowdays?

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Titus-

As long as those switches were made to gauge, there isn't anything wrong with them.
The construction looks great, especially for a first effort!

I notice that you have the diverging route straight through the frog. Real railroad switches are built that way, but they are far larger "radius" than any model. "Experts" will tell you that the models should be built the same way. You CAN build switches with the rail curved through the frog, and by doing so they take a little less space- important on a small layout. I have built switches (what we always called the things before some idiot editor of Model Railroader decided that he knew better) with curved frogs back when they were first crawling out of the primordial ooze--or was that toads? I can run 40' std. gauge O scale cars through switches laid with curved frogs on a 10 1/2" radius. Draw a switch on paper with a straight frog, and then draw over it with a curved frog- you will see quite a difference.


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The On20 Shays are MDC/ROUNDHOUSE HOn3 Shays...not Bachmann. You may find these as kits or RTR on the net and yes, they (mine) will snake around 10" radius. The On30 Bachmann Shay can do 15" (mine can) and I have heard some running them on 12" radius. You also might look for GRANDT HOn3 boxcab and diesel kits, they make fine Sn2/On20 locos and can be reguaged to N gauge (Sn20/On18) without much trouble. HOn3 trucks work for both Sn2 and On20, and there are some neat kits that work in several scales. The Grandt Gilpin phase 1 (On2 kits) are inexpensive and can be used in O, S, and I have seen these little dudes on an HOn3 layout and they looked just fine. It is a shame that Daniel Caso no longer makes his fine line of laser kits, he had On18/20 cars that are cool as you know what!



Here is one of Daniel's little On18/20 cars. I put a pair of MDC/ROUNDHOUSE HOn3 (On20) trucks under it and it is ready for service on my Gila Tramway layout. I have a couple of beautiful little coaches and several other neat cars to build thanks to Sr. Caso.

I am not trying to push you into modeling On20, it's what I like. But there are lots of great kits out there that work in any of these mentioned scales, you just have to look around.

As for handlaying track, I know that you can do it after looking (and lusting) at your switch posted earlier. Actually, with handlaid track, you can make any track plan you can dream up, no worries about finding that "right" turnout or track with somewhat out of scale ties. My advice (after looking at your work) is to GO FOR IT. Whatever you do will be right and on something as small as a micro/mini layout, the trackwork "elephant" is a lot easier to eat!

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 Posted: Wed Jun 30th, 2010 04:26 am
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Well I did some "close to scale" sketches of using either the Kato or Tomix N scale chassis as a base for an S-scale engine. Using the actual dimensions of the chassis/wheels, it seems that in looking at my sketch, my main concern is going to be the wheel size of the N scale mechanisms -- they're really small.

I'm assuming this is an advantage to On20 -- the HOn3 wheels are a lot more closer to size (1:48 vs. 1:87 [81% larger] as opposed to 1:64 vs. 1:148 [130% larger]).

On the flip side of the coin, I've seen the pictures of Russ's On18 mini layout and the size of the wheels didn't jump out at me, so maybe it's less an issue than I'm thinking it will be.

One of those N scale chassis only costs like $20. I should just pick one up and build a prototype to see how I like it...

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OK,  I've got to ask--an AIRPORT ????



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 Posted: Thu Aug 26th, 2010 07:42 am
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I have modelled 2ft gauge at 4mm/ft (00 scale) since 1958. At first, I used 8mm gauge track and scratch built everything. The move to 009 became almost universal with the introduction of N gauge and most of us just don't notice the 1mm.

Mechanisms are easily available including several outside framed chassis.

This is the scale of County Gate and Bratton Fleming

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