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 Posted: Mon Nov 15th, 2010 03:04 am
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Exactly, Bill


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 Posted: Mon Nov 15th, 2010 11:37 am
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Herb - sorry if it looked like I was getting impatient - I was just looking for some way of getting discussion here back on track (and not marooned in a siding).


Bill - thanks for mentioning Carl's site - and the traction specials.

I've been a frequent visitor to his site for years - the evidence is there, if you know where to look (personally, I think it would be a pointless exercise ...).


Regards,

Huw.

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 Posted: Mon Nov 15th, 2010 10:23 pm
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In line with my previous post about running 4 wheeled cars on small traction layouts, here are three 4 wheeled cars from my fleet.

First- an early Philadelphia car, the first car that I scratch built in O scale- wood and cardboard, circa 1953



Next, a brass Jap import. This type of car was popular in the summer in many cities before the First World War. This model is lettered for, and ran on the first O scale trolley layout that I saw- the one that convinced me to give up on HO and switch to O. Painted and detailed by a member of that club, Dave Cope- who sadly is no longer with us. RIP, Dave.



Finally, a model of the car type that was supposed to be the salvation of car lines with declining ridership in the 20's and 30's. Called the "Birney Safety car" after its inventor, it, and its longer double trucked version were one of the first to be operated by a single man--eliminating the conductor. The four wheel cars were notorious for their rough ride, and hard seats, which convinced riders that an automobile should be in their future.



Note to Dave D- this car is around 25 years old--and still isn't finished--note no interior, windows, drop gate (supposed to scoop up someone who falls down in front of car) or passengers. You aren't the only one!


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 Posted: Tue Nov 16th, 2010 04:57 am
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Herb,

Great models. I can even count the rivets in that scale.

I found a couple more pages at the "Small Layout Scrapbook" for overhead wire traction.

http://www.carendt.us/scrapbook/page54a/index.html

http://www.carendt.us/scrapbook/page71/index.html



One of these small layouts might be a good way to get started in "overhead" traction.

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 Posted: Tue Nov 16th, 2010 03:49 pm
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Carl's site is just packed full of small layouts, with lots of ideas, and inspiration.

Thanks for taking the time to find and point out the ones that are specifically traction, Bill.


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 Posted: Tue Nov 16th, 2010 04:17 pm
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Herb-I still love it! Seeing the little Birneys makes me want to go ride "Petunia" on the McKinney Ave. Transit Authority here in Dallas. That little car sat under a tin roof in a gent's back yard for years and I remember going inside it then and getting chased out by a rabid racoon and yellow jackets..whatta mess! Now she's a fine little ride that can whack your brain around when she hits the track joints just right. I will send some pix when I do that, the MATA is a real treasure in a town that loves losing football teams and high rollers. Keep them rolling...

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I have a question for the HOer's here - Anyone figured out the minimum radii for the ConCor PCC car and Bachmann Peter Witt? Our club is planning to install a city trolley, and we need to know what radius to use in order to lay out the city streets.

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 Posted: Wed Feb 8th, 2012 03:34 pm
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In O scale,I have run 55' long scale trolleys around 9" radius curves, so certainly that would work in HO



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 Posted: Wed Feb 8th, 2012 03:50 pm
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Herb: I know a lot of O scale trolleys have motorized trucks which essentially allows them to go around most any radius. The HO models have the motors in the body with gear boxes on the trucks and the truck swing is limited by things like the universals and the size of the opening in the floor to clear the gear box. Ideally, the PCC ought to go around about a 5" curve, but I don't think the ConCor model will do that.

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ebtnutI have a question for the HOer's here - Anyone figured out the minimum radii for the ConCor PCC car and Bachmann Peter Witt?
For the Peter Witt you'll find the answer over at Trolleyville.....

http://www.trolleyville.com/tv/times/feb2008/headline01.html

http://www.trolleyville.com/tv/school/lesson6_7/index.htm


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