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I few days ago I received a email from All-Trol. They continue to have medical problems and don't really know when they will get back into production.

I decided to buy one of Neil Stanton's new RC systems and try it. It arrived today. The Receiver is about 2-1/2" long, 19/64" thick (thinner then the All-Trol Receiver) and 3/4" wide.



Woodie, The Throttle is a sliding switch that stays where you leave it.

I spent some time this evening soldering connectors to the different wires. The Receiver wires are color coded same as most DCC Decoders I have had anything to do with and the same as the All-Trol Receiver.

As you can see in the picture I am using one of my Eflight 11.1 volt rechargeable Lithium Polymer Batteries.



The Stanton RC System will be sold by North West Short Line.

Later today I will find a set of trucks for the front of my test chassis and see how it works. The power truck is a NWSL - Stanton Drive.

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Bill-the slide throttle sure beats a pushbutton! The board looks to be about the size of a Kyosho board and I assume it has that beloved sound capability that everyone wants. Now, what's the price? Let us know when you have it hooked up & running.

                    Woodie

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Yes, Bill, we need to know more.

NWSL does not at this time have a listing for the unit and I can't find anything on Neil Stanton.

Looks promising...

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Hi Woodie and others,

Neil posted a special intro offer of $200 for one receiver and the hand held controller here sometime back. I believe the MSRP for additional receivers will be $60 but from NWSL.

No sound as it comes. That only means no sound with this version.

I have my own idea on how to add sound but only after I get this one running and I understand what all it will do.

I will then talk to Neil about how I think sound can be added for those that like a bit of noise with their trains.

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Sullivan wrote:
Yes, Bill, we need to know more.

NWSL does not at this time have a listing for the unit and I can't find anything on Neil Stanton.

Looks promising...


Hi James,

Neil Stanton is a member here. Look at this thread:

http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=2276&forum_id=45&jump_to=31211#p31211

It is about his work with Radio Control.

He designed the Stanton Drive for North West Short Line. This item may not be in NWSL's inventory yet but you should still be able to get his intro offer direct from him if you or anyone is interested. I just ordered mine end of last week and got it yesterday. I talked to Linda at NWSL yesterday to ask about this. She confirmed that they will sell this item. It may be new enough that they don't have any yet in stock. I didn't ask that question.

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Thanks for all the info, Bill and Neil.

I will have to cogitate on this one for a bit. I certainly do like the slide thottle. The transmitter looks about the same size as the one EZ DCC has.

Very cool...

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I used one of the Stanton Drive - Dummy Units on the front. Next I taped the RC Receiver to the Battery and plugged it in. The Blue, Yellow and White wires are for front and rear light and are not connected. I turned the Hand Held Controller on, selected Loco, set the direction switch and advanced the throttle.

The chassis started up and ran around my small test loop. My test loop has NO track power.

That was easy.





The NCE Decoder part of this system can do things like a normal DCC Decoder does so I will be studying the Instruction material to understand that part.

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G'day Neil:

Just wondering if it would be ok to send you an e-mail address of a friend of mine on Vancouver Island so you may forward info on your wireless equipment.

He and some of the modelling group have shown some interest in your Wireless control equipment and would like the information.

I am in Oz and we both get the AMR magazine and he has been asking me all the questions after reading your last article, I have done my best, but I feel my friend needs to be in contact with you.

Regards

Fred

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Hi Fred,

Yes, it's okay to send me your friend's email, but I suggest you send it as a private message. Another option for your friend is to join FreeRails where we can share some of the discussion with other members, if appropriate.

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Hi Neil:

I have sent my friend the Forum site and suggested he join up and then he would be able to contact you by private email, I will write him again to get him to join, otherwise, I will send his address along to you.

Thanks again

Fred

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Hi Niel,

After reading the posts on RC control I would like to buy your Stanton Radio Cab and reciever - as I understood directly from you.
I'm building a ON30 layout. Steamtrains are Bachmann.
Belgian by origin (flemish), now living in the center of France.
Thank you for your kind reply,

Filip Timmerman
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Hello Filip,

Sorry, radio frequencies are licensed differently around the world and I don't have the resources to check the requirements of each country. Unfortunately, that restricts my direct sales to the US, (and, maybe Canada).

Best wishes to you,

Neil.

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Filip-I might suggest that you read through the volumes of other r/c information here on Freerails. There are many r/c users outside the US and they have threads, etc. in the radio control section. While it would seem like r/c is r/c...each country has different regulations about frequencies that can be used. The new 2.4GHZ systems have no frequencies, they operate via direct links to the receivers. Please read through what others have written, maybe then you can decide what to do next.

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36timfi,

Try this site for more Radio Control information. They seem to talk about RC in Europe, Ausrtalia, New Zealand and places other then the USA.

http://www.7-8ths.info/index.php/board,44.0.html

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Hi Woodie,
Thank you for this very helpfull hint on the new 2,4 GHZ system.
I don't have much electronic knowlegde so I'm still in the dark!
Is someone "out there" building and selling this apparature?
Where to start and look?

Have a nice day,
Filip

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Thanks Neil for your promt reply !
R/C freq. in France - I need to check it out.
Woodie send info about the new 2,4GHZ system without freq.
Operating directly to the receiver.
For I'm not a electro-techno just finding someone building a system would be fantastic !!

So I'm still in the dark...
Have a nice day,
Filip

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Thanks for the link Bill !
Check this out.

Have a nice day,
Filip

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Bonjour Neil,
Had contact with ANFR, the official "agence de fréquences" in france and hereby the list of freq.band allowed for "modélisme" = modeltoys:

26,81 - 26,92 MHz / 100mW P.a.r / Canal: 10 kHz
26,995; 27,045; 27,095; 27,145; 27,195MHz
34,995 - 35,015 / 40,66 - 40,70 MHz all 100mW and Canal 10 kHz.
72,2 - 72,5 MHz / 100mW and Canal 20kHz.

There's quite a choice it seems so please let me know if your Stanton RC system works in these freq.s.

Thanks,
filip

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Thanks Filip...those 27 MHZ freqs are what I am using. They were used for "ground" applications-r/c cars. The 75 MHZ was for boats, and 72 MHZ was for airplanes. With the new 2.4 GHZ digital, I haven't got a clue!

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The Stanton radio uses the 900 MHz band; specifically 916 MHz, which is legal in the US for a wide variety of uses, including remote control. The advantage of higher frequencies is smaller antennas and higher data rates.  Size is important because I have focused on smaller scales, mainly HO.

Unfortunately, this does not help you so far as using the Stanton solution.

I suggest you look at 2.4 GHz, which is well supported in Europe. It's widely used for model aircraft control. A company named "Spektrum" seems to be a major player.

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I was at the Prototype Rail meet in Coco Beach back in January and noticed something interesting. There was an eight food or so long On30 switching layout with dcc control and a couple of locos idling with their sound on. The kicker was that there were no wires anywhere and there was a quarter laying on the track. Evidently there is a $40 RC receiver plug in that can be used with a dcc loco that picks up the signal from the hand controller. On this display they had an NEC dcc controller unit. For power they were using 4 3.5 volt Li Ion batteries in series to get the necessary 14v. I was told that the 800 ma unit could run for 3-5 hours and the sound drew very little current. I didn't get all of the details I should have and I am going to try and see if I can locate the guy who was there but I did get the info on the receiver. It is a Linx RXM-900-HP3. There is a data and spec sheet available at
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/RXM-900-HP3-datasheet.html

I was told that the receiver was a straight plug in to a dcc board.


One of the locos was a B-mann Shay. He had the four batteries scattered, 2 in the cab and 2 under the frame and they were barely noticeable as they were painted engine black. He also had a tiny on/off switch on the back of the tender and a recharging jack on the end beam.

As I now understand it, this is vary similar to the Stanton System. I have started messing with RC and love the concept (it works) but I like the idea of utilizing DCC's capabilities and the opportunity of having sound.

I have read all of the posts hear and was wondering if anything further had been developed for these types of installations.

John (Quincy) Adams

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Hi John,

You could spend $30 on a radio chip from Linx Technologies, but you would still have major investment and work to do if you wanted battery powered, radio controlled locos.

I have a complete system, which you can check out by following the various Stanton threads on FreeRails.

I don't use the HP3 because it's too expensive and too big to fit smaller locos. I do use the RXM-916-ES chip from Linx, connected to conventional DCC decoders; NCE's D13SR for example. We also have connections to SoundTraxx Tsunami decoders thru collaboration with a decoder installer in California. In fact, it may be one of his installations that you saw at the On30 show.

Please follow-up with me if you have futher interest and I'll send you some info. I'll need an email address to which I can send PDF files if you want documents.

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Neal;

I would be very interested in any info you have. I have learned a lot from listening to Woody but I like the idea of a system tailored for trains and not cut and fit.

You can send any info to

I look forward to learning more.

John


John-- I deleted your Email address after forwarding it to Neil in a PM.

Not a good idea to have you address out where the world can see it.

Well, only half the world--the other half don't look at FreeRails

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Thanks Herb, I couldn't figure out how to get it to him direct.

John

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Surprise...surprise...

This from the Sn3 Yahoo group:

In Sn3@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Walton" <jack@...> wrote:

"Battery power, for motor power? I want to know more about this. 5 hours?

Jack,

I am not mechanically minded so I cant give you techy details. What I can tell you is that I went to the show to see the products. Mike Pfulb does installations and is a long time user of these products. The R/C board is no bigger than a Tsunami decoder and about .30 thick. He tapes them together. You still get full Tsunami sound. You get the same control as DCC and there is no more track wiring. As I stated, you can run up to 99 locos with the Stanton throttle. You can switch between locos as they are running, just as with DCC. The only thing that I could find different was that the R/C throttle uses only a two digit address where a DCC throtle can program a four digit number. Not a big deal to me, I dont have any locos with the same last two digit road numbers. I did a quick google for Stanton and came up with this link:

http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=3146&forum_id=45

It will give you an idea of the size etc. Mike is quoting me a price of $200 for a throttle, R/C decoder, install and battery. I dont have that much invested in my NCE that it is a big deal for me to make the switch. I watched these guys run On30 locos using this system and it was fantastic. My buddy and I then ran some for quite awhile, and there were no glitches. These guys even paint the tops of their rails. To me, this is the future. There was another supplier, Air Wire from CVP who was going to debut a super small R/C receiver at the show but had plane troubles and could not make it. You may want to check out them also. JEff.

Seems like the spark has finally been struck from within...

Hmmmmm...

James Sullivan

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Well I'll be dangdingled, James--Imagine that!  Whoda thunk---


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Naaw, this ain't right! You git a torch and I'll git a pitchfork and we'll fix them raydeeo corntrol monsters!

                         

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Woodie! Finally -- Vindication is coming -- Sweet!!!

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There are several different RC Systems you can use to add to your trains.

I am building an HOn3, C-17, 2-8-0 engine and have installed Radio Control with Batteries. This is a small engine and I needed a small system. This is a link to the complete C-17 thread:

http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=3300&forum_id=51&jump_to=38467#p38467

I have two different Radio Control Systems. The All-Trol System and the Stanton System. I did a trial installation using the All-Trol System first. I then did a trial installation using the Stanton System. These pictures show the Stanton System. Both systems are made for small trains and very easy to instal.

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The engine runs very smooth.

The Stanton Receiver can mount the antenna in several ways. I ordered a few more Stanton Receivers and asked for the optional antenna locations.

I received three new Stanton Receivers today (the short ones). I got them with two different antenna locations.

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Hi,

I'm successfully using a Spektrum 2,4Ghz System and Lipo batteries for controlling my trains.

I have written several posts about this here on freerails, that might be found by my username if there is interest. Also here if you want, but there texts are in German.

But, as this is the Stanton's radio system thread, I think we shouldn't mix it up with questions about other systems.

Juergen

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Yes-you might look at Radio Control for Small Scales here on Freerails. With 75 thousand views, someone is reading it! Many will jump on the "bandwagon", but that thread is the first one on the internet. I am glad to see that others are looking to r/c now, when I started talking about it, there were many who didn't want to know. You should read the e mails I got around 8 years back...now look who's talking!
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Hi and welcome!

I've been RC'ing for 4 years now I think. It's all Woodies fault! 

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I picked up the following reply from the Sn3 yahoo group. Bodes well for R/C battery powered control.  



In Sn3@yahoogroups.com, "wcbeverly" <mail2archive@...> wrote:

I was looking at the NWSL web site and I noticed that they have a s-CAB Radio DCC Control system.

Hey Bill,

Don Gage is a member of the Terrapin Narrow Gaugers and he brought an On30 loco to one of our meets. Don is a big proponent of battery/RC control. He stunned everyone by running his loco across the garage floor, homasote and even on track! I became interested in this system when I had dirty track and a mysterious short last Feb right before (of course) my open house for the Sn3 Symposium.

I attend the monthly operating session that Steve Harris has down near San Diego. There I met a couple more guys that are into battery and RC control. Mike Pfulb invited me out to The Big Train Show in Ontario last May. I got the full scoop on how this all works, and got to run trains using RC. In short, IMO opinion it is the way of the future. The RC board is about the same size and thickness as a Tsunami decoder, one of the guys in San Diego is putting them in Blackstone K-27's. The batteries are very small also, about an inch wide and maybe 2 inches long, and there are several brands and sizes to choose from. Mike told me he gets about 5 hours of run time before he needs to recharge.

The advantage to using this system....no more gaps, wiring, shorts or dirty track to deal with. The S cab that you saw works just like the NCE DCC cab that I now use. You can run 99 locos at once if you are able. You can switch back and forth between locos that are running. The only difference on the two systems is that regular DCC uses a 4 digit address, and the S cab uses a 2 digit address...not a big deal. I gave my K-27 to Mike last saturday to get the RC and battery installed. I am so sold on this that I am converting all my locos to this system. The initial cost is $200 which includes the cab, RC board and install. I believe batteries run about $19 and a charger isnt much more. Obviously the price will drop per loco since you dont always need a cab included. Stanton (maker of the S cab) just signed up NWSL to handle his products. If you are interested I should get my loco back next week, and I can post a video of it. Jeff.

PS, this works with the Tsunami's so you still have all that great sound. All you have to do is lay rail and run trains.

It'll be interesting to see what happens...



 

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Interesting news, James...I just wonder if any of those guys were part of the mob that tried to burn me & Joe B at the stake many years ago! What goes around, comes around.

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I received the Stanton Starter System in the mail

Thursday and have been tinkering with it this weekend, I do have a few questions.

Do the Bachmann motors come isolated from the track power from the factory or do I need to isolate them?

Do I connect the Stanton decoder to the Bachmann dcc decoder or do I connect the Stanton directly to the motor leads and discard the Bachmann decoder?

I ask these questios not because I couldn't get my

loco moving (it ran great) but by removing the stock decoder I gain space.

I'm very excited about this system and am looking forward to using it, I'm sure there are more questions to come as time permits me to play with it.

Thanks

Carl

 

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Hi Carl,

No need for 2 decoders. Just remove the original decoder and connect the NCE decoder that came with the S-CAB starter package.

I don't know the details of your Bachmann loco or what brand of decoder they used, but the motor must be isolated from track input if the loco was equipped for DCC.

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With reference to Jim Sullivan's comments, I'd like to add my vote for RC controlled trains as the control system of the future.  I've been working on this concept for over 3 years and only recently learned there are many more out there with the same passion. 

I'm now at the the point of building a prototype HO locomotive.  There is the possibility of going commercial with this, so I can only say I'm using high efficiency motors, LiFePO4 batteries and a 2.4 MHz system for control.  A major feature will be on-board control of switches.  I also plan to incorporate basic steam and diesel sound, fiber-optic lighting and dynamic battery charging, all without using track power or signals.  

There are many obstacles to overcome and many technologies to evaluate, but all looks feasible and practical at this point.  I appreciate all the thoughts and comments on this site and hope my experience with this approach is helpful and encouraging to others.  At the risk of this not being original, I'd like to suggest these systems be called RCC, or Radio Command Control.

Dan
 

 

 

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Howdy Dan, welcome to Freerails and to this r/c site. There is a lot of interest in r/c here, most of us are old cats who have gotten tired of the old ways. You can call r/c whatever you want just as long as you actually use it, I will continue with my olden terms. Keep us posted on your progress.
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So....

I think I'm about really, really close to listing my NCE PowerCab on ebay and ordering a Stanton Radio Cab. Seriously, I've had enough of track wiring and power and the Stanton system seems to be the first option to come down the pike that looks to be a realistic choice, includes sound, is reasonably priced, and appears to be well made.

Anyways, couple more questions to add to the pile:

- How does this system handle CV programming? For example, if I was to get a receiver that comes bundled with the TSU-1000 is it still possible to change the CV's for the different whistle sounds?

- I'm unclear on the cab-to-engine correlation. Say I get the starter kit and 2 extra receivers and convert 3 of my engines. They are all controlled by the 1 cab I own. However if I want to buy a 2nd cab at a future point and allow friends to operate on the layout at the same time as me using those same 3 engines is that possible?

- Where's the best place to buy? NWSL? I saw some talk about direct-buy -- still available?

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Titus has the following questions regarding the Stanton Radio Cab (S-CAB for short):


"How does this system handle CV programming?" For a TSU-1000 decoder, the most convenient way is to use your NCE Power Cab with a "Stanton radio adapter". For an NCE D13SR decoder, simple CVs such as momentum can be programmed directly from S-CAB.

"if I want to buy a 2nd cab at a future point and allow friends to operate on the layout at the same time as me using those same 3 engines is that possible" Answer is 'Yes'.

"Where's the best place to buy? NWSL?" NWSL is selling Stanton stuff.

"I saw some talk about direct-buy -- still available?" As a FreeRail member, please send me a PM.

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Hello, I'm considering the Stanton system for my Bachmann large scale shay. Sounds like a winner based on what I've read here.

Has anyone converted their B shay yet?

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The maximum current capability of the Stanton battery power supply (BPS) is half an amp (500 mA), which may be a limiting factor for a large-scale loco. Just depends on full load current and how often the Shay gets to full load.

The S-CAB radio is fine in any scale.

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If you need more power than 1/2 amp, you might consider CVP Products' AIRWIRE system, made just for large scale. Cheaper still would be a Futaba Attack 2 channel system (about 50 bucks) with an esc/receiver which can handle 5 amps or install an after market esc which can handle 50 amps. Stanton is aimed at small scale which sorely needs r/c systems.
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And Aristo Craft's Revolution Train Engineer would be an alternative for large scale locos as well.

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Neil-does your system have something like a "grade compensator" or such so that equipped locos can run un attended on light grades without someone needing to watch the throttle? You may have covered this before but I am not good at searching past posts. Thanks for your system, it is what the tired old model railroad hobby really needs.
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Woodie,

It's the decoder that controls the loco and yes, some decoders attempt to run the loco at constant speed, compensating for grades, load, etc. I have not tested this feature, which is sometimes called "back emf (bemf) feedback", so I'm not sure how effective it is.

The throttle (or Cab) just tells the decoder what speed the operator wants.

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Neil,

Thanks to Bill Fornshell's mention of the Stanton R/C system over on the Conspiracy, I think I have read enough here to whet my appetite, but I have a question.

Does the receiver/decoder unit have to be hard wired into a locomotive equipped with a DCC ready 8 pin socket, or will it simply plug into that socket?

Also, are you still selling the starter set at the introductory price as mentioned earlier in this thread?

Thanks,
Bill in FL

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I just received a few "New" Stanton RC Receivers. They are the "Stand-up Antenna" version and this batch is shorter then the last ones. Any change that takes up less space is great for me.

1. Shortest version so far.


2. Shortest version and longer versions.


3. Older and longer style.

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Bill,

Glad to see the electronics for the S-CAB getting smaller. Right now the biggest problem for me is the size of the BPS. Man that thing is huge. It looks like in the last picture you have some kind of blue battery setup? What is that?

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Hi Titus,

That is a Team Lois 7.4 volt battery. I use stand alone batteries, no track wire of any kind so far. I do have two of the Stanton Battery Boards (called BPS I guess) to try with short sections of DC power one of these days.

That Team Lois Battery is the same size as the newest of the current Receivers.
It is a really good battery and because of its small size I use it in most of my smaller scale RC Trains.

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Hello Woodie, this is to follow up on my Sept 26 blurb.  First, I'll be posting future progress in the "list your components" grouping.  I have to agree with Juergen.  As more posts are made, and with so many aspects to RC, it would seem easier to track the progress for each subject matter by keeping new information in separate fields of interest.

Be that as it may, I will just mention again my prototype AMD-103 was completed and given a trial run at my local train club, and ran successfully.  We ran on and off for an hour, with plenty of battery power to spare. 

For this first prototype, I used four 1.5 volt alkaline batteries in series, a Spektrum DX5e transmitter, Spektrum AR500 receiver, Associated Electronics reversing ESC and a 9-pole brushed motor with A-Line flywheel.  The frame, power trucks and gearbox are Hobbytown. 

Future batteries will include rechargeable LiFePO4 batteries (for safety).  I have abandoned contactless dynamic charging because the technology is underdeveloped and too expensive to implement.  Charging will be dynamic via pantograph or dedicated track sections and/or static via dedicated station or siding track.  I'm still working on contactless charging, but this will be much later.  I want to have about 5,000-7,500 mah capacity so reasonable loads can pulled.

That's where I'm at.  Radio control does work.  Optimization is the challenge.  Advocates need to come together for mutual support and the realization of this long overlooked concept.

Dan

      

 


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