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Here's a photo of an Oriental/Powerhouse hybrid 2-4-4-2 that I recently got:




The drawbar needs some electrical attention, but otherwise it runs extremely well. I don't know how far I might go in touching up the paint. The prototype had a Russia Iron boiler jacket, and at minimum the smokebox and firebox need to be graphited. I wish someone made decals of the great builders plates that Bachmann/Spectrum puts on its recent steam.

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John...what scale is that loco ????

2-4-4-2 is a rare little bird indeed. I think only one maker has made this model , from what i have seen posted about them elsewhere.   I believe Tom Yorke  said he has/had  one also.  It looks really nice and i wish it was available in On30..  The 2-6-6-2 is a great loco but this is much smaller and more suited to logging mining work, i think. 

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It's HO standard gauge. A brass version was done by Gem -- I got one of those years ago, but it literally fell apart when I stripped off the varnish to paint it. Oh, well.

The 2-4-4-2 appears to have been something of a Baldwin standard design, even if they didn't do too many of them. Little River 126 was unsatisfactory, and the railroad sent it back to Baldwin, which resold it to a line in Oregon, and it ran for various owners until the 1950s. Baldwin replaced the 126 with another one for the Little River, which ran successfully there and was painted for a while in Southern green. Model Railroader published the plan and ran another Baldwin builders photo of a 2-4-4-2 that ran in Mississippi, but burning wood with smaller drivers.

It's certainly as common as the Bachmann On30 2-6-6-2. Actually, I got it from my hobby shop as a second or third hand item for about what you'd pay for an equivalent Bachmann. I told the guy this meant Bachmann would probably bring one out next month.

 

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I quizzed Lee Riley of bachmann a couple of years ago and i got the 9 of hearts from him on the possibility of on30 : 2-4-4-2 loco's and also the stearns type heisler like wslc.

These rare and unusual locos will remain the domain of the japan/korean brass builders who do the 25--50 units editions

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Well, that's interesting, although it's worth pointing out that Bachmann has done logging-type Mallets in On30 (the 2-6-6-2) and G/F. Their market choices in HO, Shay, Climax, USRA 2-6-6-2, modern 4-4-0, Ma & Pa 4-6-0, Russian Decapod, etc etc, haven't been all that different from PFM's and Gem's choices in the early days of brass. Something like the 2-4-4-2 is always going to sell, I think. Powerhouse, according to the box, did the 2-4-4-2 in every road name the prototype had, and frankly, if I saw one available in Columbia River Belt Line at the same price, I'd turn right around and get that one, too.

If Riley chooses not to do that specific prototype, he's clearly still on that wavelength.

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John, we want these specific odd ball locos , but they have to think " how many people are going to buy this."   I think anything they are going to invest a lot of $$$$$ in tooling to make is going to have to sell in the tens of thousands,  not hundreds.  Thats the realm of brass and the mountain model imports division.

As far as on30 goes, which is what i am interested in, ya have to say at this point and i think a lot of others would be in the same mind set.....how many more locos do i need ???  I already have 4 shays, 2 climaxes, one 2-8-0,  3 dunkirks, RGS goosie, 5 of the 2-6-0, one forney, 5 of the railtrucks, 3 porters 2-4-0 and  three 0-4-0, throw in a couple of c-16 and other than a  couple of twin head macks switchers, what do i really need ????  maybe that new 4-6-2 with sound and a 4-4-0.

Other than a heisler, not sure what i could use because not into the colorado locos.  I did buy a precision scale brass On3 GARFORD rail truck which was narrowed to On30 for me.. Guess if i want that stearns wagon top boiler wslc heisler i would have to find a brass PSC On3 one and get it narrowed.

Not sure if anybody has tried to take the 2-6-6-2 down to 2-4-4-2 configuration.  Anybody see anything written anywhere ?

How about you fellow ON30 maniacs.....what do you need in new locos and what would you WANT to see made. ????

Make some posts and lets hear your thoughts.  !!

 

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You might be better off being content with the locos Bachmann now has in On30, they will be "upgraded" with sound effects...but the "insiders" say there will be no more new On30 locos. Of course, they could be crazy also.

                      6 locos Woodie

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 I have one of those 2-4-4-2 Powerhouse locos. Sure was a smooth runner. I built an oil tank for the tender and was half way through installing a Tsunami sound decoder when I moved west (of course the engine is still over east in NSW):bang:. Now, with my changing to On30, I suppose I'll sell it off with my other logging stuff....:sad:

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A bit dark photo, but some of my logging fleet with my 2-4-4-2 on the front track, a few years back.

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W C Greene wrote: You might be better off being content with the locos Bachmann now has in On30, they will be "upgraded" with sound effects...but the "insiders" say there will be no more new On30 locos. Of course, they could be crazy also.

                      6 locos Woodie


well, i guess the NEW ANNOUNCEMENT JULY/August 2011, of a bachmann On30 stearns type HEISLER just blows that NO MORE NEW ON30 LOCOS, into the weeds...  ????  YA ??

 

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Hi All,  I just found this site and especially this thread.  I'm helping a friend build his H.O. layout.  This guy is really good at bashing locos and rolling stock.  We were talking some time ago about wanting  a 2-4-4-2 and he finally decided to try it.  We each bought a Bachmann 2-6-0 with DCC and sound and another 2-6-0 without sound for about $185.00 total, and he got to work.  He removed the rear drivers from each loke, added a trailing truck from the junk box to the rear engine, spliced the boilers together, made numerous other mods and ended up with a very nice looking, rare locomotive with DCC and sound for less than $200.00.  Another of his specialties is powering up tenders and some rolling stock to provide extra pulling power.  His layout has 2% to 2 1/2% grades and if any given loke can not handle the grade, we just add a powered box or passenger car as appropriate to the consist and away we go.  Even when you know the car is powered, you can't see it as it passes by.  Now he will get started on my engine.  I can't wait for it to get finished.  I will try to post some photos later.

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On the Bachmann On30 Heisler...I'm glad they proved me wrong and got it out on time, didn't they?

The 2-4-4-2 sounds like a cool conversion, let's see some photos when you can. Bachmann would have done better to have made a Little River loco, their funky 2-6-6-2 has sold like, well, like ...aww fergit it. I had one of those old Red Ball HOn3 0-4-4-0t years ago, it looked OK but ran like home made s^&*! Not much could be done with it-one engine powered with a lousy 3 pole motor and gears that were cut on an industrial size screw machine. Them's was the days!

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Sounds exciting......2-4-4-2 are neat, nice smallish loco. Mind you the On30 2-6-6-2 loco is a lot smaller than you would think it would be.

I think bachmann are still trying to get the On30 heisler operating flawlessly before releasing it to the public.

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The 2-4-4-2's I mentioned in a prior post are operational but need final detailing and weathering but I'll try to upload a couple of photos.  Actually Cameron made three.  After he made the first one using the Bachmann 2-6-0's he decided to try it with Roundhouse engines.  It has larger drivers and looks pretty good, but doesn't run nearly as good as the Bachmanns.  The Bachmanns are very smooth runners.  He also powered the tender and installed two power trucks so it will pull a sizable train.  The DCC chips also went into the tender, with the speaker inside the cab. Now to try some photos.
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Well, it seemed like it was easy.  It looked like it was OK, but somehow the pics didn't show up in the post.  Any ideas what happened?

Jim   :old dude:

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Jim-did you upload the photos to your gallery or were they on a photo host (Photobucket, etc.)?

Woodie

***I found them in your gallery. Just go to reply, not quick reply. You should see some icons above the message field. The lower set ends with a big G. You just click on that, it goes to your gallery, click on the photo you want, and it appears here. To post another one, hit enter and then hit the G again, click on the next photo, and continue on and on... If you don't see the G in the lower set of icons in the reply field, then you may have to click on your tools and then go to compatability view. This will suddenly open up the icons with the big G. Are you as confused as I am? It actually works!

 

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I uploaded the photos to the gallery and they showed up there, but when I hit the post button, only the text above the photos came through. 

Jim:old dude:

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Well, I'm still confused, but there they are.  The part of the text that didn't show up the first time : 

The first photo is my loco.    In the second photo, the right hand engine is mine,  the
middle one is Cameron's and the left is the Roundhouse loco.

Jim    ???:old dude:

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I really like the looks of those. Have always thought of trying my hand at building one of those. I've got their bigger cousin, 2-6-6-2 Seiarra RR. engine.

I think we need a how to article. :glad:

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Well Mike,
that's an interesting question about how many more locomotives does anyone really need. I've come to the conclusion that since there is no more room for any more locomotives in the engine house, I maybe shouldn't get any more.
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Well it appears as tho thy round house runneth over.   Ya got loco's parked coming out the wazoo.  !!!!!!!!!

Looks like you need to expand your round house out to the left by adding a shelf side extension and a bunch of parking tracks.  You could also work an ash pit into the whole scene. After all it looks like you have a turntable and that allows the parking tracks spread around.

 

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Or blow that back wall out and extend the stalls!



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I just joined and saw the string on the 2-4-4-2.
I have a Gem Models brass "Skookum" model that's been in storage for 15-18 years (can't remember where I got it, though I think it was in San Diego when I lived there back in the early 70's. Now that I am retired I am unpacking all my brass collection and updating them for a new layout. My 2-4-4-2 ran well so I tuned it it and converted it to DCC/Sound, added lighting and glazing and did some touch up ..... runs and sounds fantastic....a beautiful loco that fun to watch & listen to.

Can't seem to upload photo ?? Oh well, will learn
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Mike-

Have you looked at the second and third "stickie" topic in the "General" section?


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Hi John; I just joined Free Rails and discovered your string about the 2-4-4-2. I recently retired and in the process of getting out of the arm chair and unpacking about 20 years of collecting motive power and rolling stock for my North Pine RR logging & mining branchline. Been busy getting my older brass collection up and running and converted to DCC/Sound .... 8 done and about 14 more to go......its been a process but fantastic to listen and watch! I just got my Gem Models brass 2-4-4-2 loco on the rails after a tune up or replacement, I've installed DCC and sound, lighting and glazing....no layout yet (just bought a lot, so house to follow later next year) but have test module to run on. Tried uploading photos but doing something wrong .... A photo of it is in the forefront along with a 90 T shay and a 3 truck climax recently done in my profile photo that I did get uploaded. Looking forward to the postings and learning from all the chaps ...
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I'm in LOVE !

That unusual Little River 2-4-4-2 is a cute chuffer !!

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Si, a Bachmann On30 2-4-4-2 "perverted" into 35n2. I don't run her any more but she's a "keeper".

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Interesting subject , having acquired a AKANE 2-4-4-2 a few years ago, downside was I then had to acquire a few HO
cars to go with it. It was an engine I had always wanted from the mid / late 1960s, when they came out.

Still runs like a top though, after all these years. Need to construct a HO layout for it.

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

TOP BASHING ol' bean !!

She's a CORKER !

I had a momentary lapse of memory, that you had a 2-4-4-2
Never saw that many photos of her on The Moggy.
A late addition to the fleet, I recall now.

:moose:

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Hi Ken :wave:

Go on, be a Devil !

You know it would be fantastic BASHED into On30 !! ;)

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Skookum being rebuilt in OCSR shop, Garibaldi, Ore, June 2015.

Photo courtesy of Rich Gitsch.

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Si. wrote: Skookum being rebuilt in OCSR shop, Garibaldi, Ore, June 2015.

Photo courtesy of Rich Gitsch.

:thumb:

Really glad to see this loco being rebuilt.   It was purchased by one Charlie Morrow in the late 1950's and moved to what was the Snoqualmie Railroad Museum, a pretty down at the heels operation when I was a regular visitor in the 1960's.

The Skookum sat, disassembled, in the weeds for decades.

The Snoqualmie museum is now the Northwest Railway Museum and seems to be much better funded and organized than when Charlie was the driving force.  

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Hi Jack :wave:



Nice Post !

Jack Posted this interesting story & photo in another Thread.

Thought I'd re-Post it here as well.



" The 2-4-4-2 is one of my favorite prototype locomotives.
Soon one of the remaining ones will be operating on the Oregon Scenic Railroad a tourist line out of Tillamook, Oregon.
I had last saw it in pieces laying on the ground at Snoqualmie Falls, WA back in the middle 1960's and after all these years it finally will be operating again soon.

It was originally built for the Little River Railroad at Townsend.
TN and then later went to the Carlisle Lumber Co. at Onalaska, WA and ended up on the Deep River Logging Co. at Deep River, WA.

In 1955 it derailed while backing up on a short trestle and landed on its side in a steam bed.
Since the railroad only had a few months of work left they decided to just leave it there in the woods.

A railfan bought it from the scrappers as is and they had to remove it in pieces since by this time the tracks had been removed and there were no roads nearby.

It was Construction #33463 built in 1909 and weighed 71 tons and had a traction effort of 27,430 lbs."





Thanks Jack !



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Si:

  Here is a link to the Oregon Scenic Railroad's Facebook Page which shows some pictures of the Skookum and under videos are a few videos showing a GN diesel towing the Skookum on the tracks near the WW2 blimp hanger where I believe this locomotive is stored along with a few of the other steam locos that they have.

  https://www.facebook.com/pg/OregonCoastScenicRR/videos/?ref=page_internal

  These photos only appear on their Facebook page and not under their regular website.

  Jack M.

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You guys are killing me here.

I have my machine shop all set up, and I am re-learning my skills (and learning some new ones), and thinking that not too far down the road it will be time to build a locomotive.

The first one in almost 40 years.  

I thought I would start with something simple.  Like a little mogul, probably with Stephenson valve gear, straight top boiler, etc.  1/4" scale.  

But this little mallet is just so pretty.  Having seen her in the weeds for several years, I feel I have a bit of a connection.  

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CRAP!!!

I found a left side elevation, to scale (but not specified), in the "as-delivered" paint.  Or, at least, the colors as determined by whoever made the drawing.

Knowing the driver size and cylinder size, scaling the drawing is a piece of cake.

Guys, this could get serious.

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Aaaaargghhh!!!!

Plans for this locomotive appeared in Model Railroader March 1962.

And some evil person on Amazon had a copy!!!

It should arrive in my mail box no later than March 14th.

As a side note...the Little River Logging Company also had the World's smallest pacific.  

It is currently undergoing restoration (or at least covered storage) at the loggers museum here in Aberdeen, WA.   I guess I better spell that out...there might be an Aberdeen, Western Australia.  

That would be Aberdeen, Washington.  

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I may have been mistaken on the Pacific.  It may actually be from a different Little River Logging Co.

There is a locomotive at the Polson Museum.  I will find out what it is.  I thought it was the Little River Pacific, but I seem to be wrong.  Not an unusual situation.

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Yep.  I'm wrong.  The loco here in Aberdeen is the Polson Lumber Co. #45.

A 2-6-2.  It is a cute little number.

Reg

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This low-resolution picture was on 'Google Images', no idea where from, it didn't say.






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Si:

I missed this one.

The more I look at the drawings and photos, the more I am drawn to this little engine's lines and proportions.  

I will see what happens when I try and print it larger.  

The MR back issue with the drawings will be arriving in a few days, too.  I am anxious to see what those drawings look like.

Much as I am fired up, I have a few projects ahead of this one (if I decide to do it).  In the process of moving shop equipment around to allow for the installation of a new garage door (boy! Is that a serial story) the cross slide knob got broken on the little Atlas lathe.  Since I am giving that lathe to a friend (soon), fabricating a new knob is high priority.  It is almost done.  

Then I want to get back to the horizontal mill engine I am building.  Somewhere in there I need to build the boiler so I can run the mill engine.  Though I will probably do initial testing with compressed air.   I have a PM Engineering kit for the boiler.   It is a real live fire tube boiler, so it will be a substantial project.   I will have ample opportunity to relearn silver brazing.   

In the dim and distant past I used to assemble loco frames per Mel Thornburgh methods, but I brazed (silver soldered) them. Mel used 60/40 lead solder.  I also used to cut loco frame parts using a jewelers saw and files.  It took many, many hours just to build one frame.  In a five year period I only built three locomotives.  I have photos somewhere, I hope.  The locos themselves got sold in the process of going through a divorce, along with a lot of other 1/4" scale stuff.

Not now.  I have a complete machine shop.  What used to take weeks should only take a few hours.  

I am concerned about drivers.  Precision Scale has 42" driver centers.  I don't know whether those are 42" driver centers, or centers for 42" drivers.  If the former, they would work for 48" drivers.  But not if they are the latter.  If and when this gets serious (and it gets more serious the more I think about it) I will talk to the good folks and find out the exact spec.  They also do custom casting, so that might be an option.   I can fabricate all of the parts for the engine, but fabricating driver centers is a tedious business. 

In the old days there was a lot more available in terms of machined and mounted drivers.  I have never machined drivers.

As I sit here and type this, I am thinking about one more project theoretically ahead of the Little River.   I have the castings for a Stuart 10V vertical mill engine.  I just may box that project up and put it aside. 

But the horizontal engine and the boiler must be done.  If for no other reason than I have a tendency to accumulate half-finished projects.  

I just want everyone to know this is an evil thread.  I was not intending to dive into a locomotive project quite yet.  Let alone a mallet. Scratch building model locomotive parts is really not that difficult.  Really! But even a very simple locomotive is a pretty big project in terms of the number of parts.  Start thinking about all the parts that go into Walshaerts valve gear.  None of them are particularly difficult to fabricate, but this locomotive has four cylinders!!

That's 40, or thereabouts, separate components.  Given the shop time I have available, that's between six and ten weeks of work. 

OK.  Now I have to get some work done.

Reg





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After you build the Little River 2-4-4-2, you could tackle a NG ALCO 2-4-4-2, used in New Zealand on the TTTLCo a
3 ft 6 Inch line. I have a set of plans I will take a look for and post.

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Taupo Totara Timber Co #7 NG ALCO 2-4-4-2

Plans and Photo's

loggingmallets.railfan.net/list/taupo7/taupo7.htm

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Ken C wrote: Reg

Taupo Totara Timber Co #7 NG ALCO 2-4-4-2

Plans and Photo's

loggingmallets.railfan.net/list/taupo7/taupo7.htm

That is a little sweetheart.  

I downloaded the information and put it in my "possible future projects" file.  

But who knows when.  I figure I am out six to eight months on the current project.  The Little River Mallet is probably a two-year project.  Call it two-and-half years if I have to scratch build the drivers.  

There are quite a few intriguing little logging mallets in the world.  

By the way, here in the Pacific Northwest there were logging operations that used steam dummy engines off the old Portland, Oregon street railway system.  It was 42" gauge.  Around here that gauge was known as "bastard gauge".  

I need to look up that Jon Davis guy.   He did the drawings I found for the Little River loco, too. 


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Re: 48" drivers - The EBT's late Mikes all have 48" drivers. You might scrounge around for drivers from either the Sunset heavy Mike or the Hallmark medium Mikes (Nos. 14 and 15).

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I love those 2-4-4-2's! On the Hallmark drivers, when I worked for them in 2000, the EBT HOn3 and On3 parts were long gone! Maybe a search on fleabay will yield some.
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I betcha 'Alan Gibson' in the UK would have something suitable.



They make very nice wheels.



Steel tires on moulded centres & their own axle system.



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Si. wrote: I betcha 'Alan Gibson' in the UK would have something suitable.



They make very nice wheels.



Steel tires on moulded centres & their own axle system.



:bg:



Si.


Good idea.  There is lots of stuff available in the UK that we don't have here in the US in terms of parts, supplies and tools for the craftsman.  

I do a lot of shopping for machine shop stuff in the UK.  Sometimes a bit of a pain because not all the companies are thoroughly organized to do business outside the EU.  And sometimes I pay more for the shipping than I do for the product. 

When I was shopping for lathes my first choice was a Myford.  They are rare as hens teeth on this side of the pond, but quite a selection of nice second hand lathes in the UK.  But shipping was cost prohibitive.  The cost of crating and shipping a 600+ lb item across the pond, and then across the continent, contained far too many places to the left of the decimal point to make any kind of sense. 

I am quite happy with my Clausing 12" (it would be classified as a 6" in your hemisphere. In the US lathes are sized by the diameter of the swing, but by the radius in the UK) but when I see You Tube videos with guys using Myfords, I get a twinge of jealousy.  I guess it would be about bragging rights.  My Clausing spindle run out is something less than 2.5 10,000ths of an inch and the controls are like butter, but still.....

If and when I get around to this project (or one similar) I may tap you for information on sources.  If you don't mind.

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My back issue of Model Railroader came yesterday with the Little River 2-4-4-2 plans. 

The article (March 1962) is great, with lots of photos.  Kinda funny, though, I remember having this issue when I was a kid.  I would not have flashed on the Little River article because I didn't meet Charlie Morrow and start going up to Snoqualmie until the following the year.  Or maybe even the year after that.

But I sure remember the article about Clouser's electrics.  This article, along with others featuring Bob Hegge's Crooked Mountain Lines, have kept a "back of my mind" interest in heavy interurbans since my teen years.  

I have always thought of my building interests being tied to my layout.   Since I don't really have an interest in building a logging themed layout or an interurban themed layout, projects like the Little River 2-4-4-2 and interurban equipment have always been back-burnered.  

As I build a pretty much RTR HO layout, but now have my machine shop, I am moving away from that mind set.  Even to the point where my current machine shop project is not railroad related.  

So the Little River is definitely going into the Future Projects file.  Almost certainly along with some thoughts on heavy interurban equipment.  

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Backing up a few entries, the Little River 4-6-2 is still in Coldwater, Michigan on the tourist line there. She is reported out of service, probably for her 1,472 work. An 0-4-0T is active.

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An update:

Last weekend ,9/10, I road the NW Railroad Museum excursion.

Though I was unable to get a photo, the 2-4-4-2 is sitting in a line of equipment very much un-restored.  Upon inquiry, I was told it is on the 'wish list' but there is no schedule for restoration.

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