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Märklin Museum in Göppingen holds original models made in 1935 by them , running on 16,5mm track and called '00' scale then. They introduced that scale in 1935 to Europe. The firm of BING ( Nürnberg ) predates that by their 'tabletop train ' of the 1920's, also running on 16,5mm gauge. AFAIK, nothing has remained of that.



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HO scale dates back to the 1930's in England. I'm pretty sure it was initially 3-rail. I suspect somewhere in the UK there are models from the dawn of the scale. After all, HO came from Half-O, half of 7mm O scale. But the Brits couldn't fit the then-available motors in true HO versions of their smaller locos, so they expanded the scale to OO, 4mm scale, but kept the track gauge correct for HO.

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George Stock, who along with Alan Lake Rice introduced HO into this country, had a HO layout with outside third rail in the shop/basement of his home into the late 1950's. Named the Diminutive & Obstinate, I never saw it run, but as I remember the third rail was wire, soldered to the heads of wood screws. People used to ask why he didn't convert to two rail, but he said that by that time he had too much equipment with uninsulated wheelsets. Equipment and buildings were credible even at that time.

Alan invented the Mantua automatic coupler, which was the de-facto HO standard until the Kay Dee came along--which, while it looked more realistic didn't work a dang bit better until they came up with the delayed uncoupling feature for it. There was a display in a showcase at Georges, of a 4 or5 car HO train of B&O narrow vestibule coaches with incredible detail, even at that time. My pal and I would stare at it, and compare the cars to our crude attempts. Always wondered what happened to all the equipment after Stock died-circa 1963.

Layout was featured in an early issue of HO Monthly. What's that? You don't have that in your magazine collection? If there is any interest, I could scan it------

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Along with the oldest HO thread, I remembered that some fellows on the On30 website commented how Bachmann "pioneered" On30! Well, however old HO is, On30 is that old also. I have a 1950 or so Model Railroader with a photo of an "O n 2 1/2" loco. Wonder then how old On30 could be?

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@Woodie
is it that photo of the "Uintah RR" 0n 2 1/2 in "trackside photos" of IIRC 1955?



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Herb - that layout sounds interesting. I, for one, would love to have a look at it.

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Woodie,

Since Marklin introduced O around 1900, I would imagine you built an On30 layout around 1901? ;)

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Rick S wrote:
Probably not the oldest, but I have 1952 Fleischmann 1360. Runs like a top.

Rick


Speaking of which, if anyone has a tender for this Fleischmann locomotive they would like to part with, let me know.

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Helmut, as I marimba, the "On 2 1/2" loco was an 0-4-0t built on a Mantua "Busy Bee" switcher. But I am sure there were others of the same circa. And Rick, yes, it must have 1901 or 1902 when I built my first On30 loco. Back then, we didn't have AC, DC, or DCC so it was "remote control" using a string to pull it along the dirt floor in front of the fireplace. You see, I was thinking "beyond the envelope" way back then! Now, I could run an r/c loco on the dirt floor...forget the string!

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If there is any interest, I could scan it------

I'd love to have them, but there's this copyright pesky issue...

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