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 Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2013 06:17 pm
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With my eyesite not being what it was a few years ago, modeling narrow gauge in HOn3 has become more difficult.  I stumbled onto a picture of a dressed out Bman Climax with all of Backwoods Miniatures stuff, dress up kit and 3rd truck.  Totaly changes the look of that engine to something that appeals to me.  I do not have the room to do a layout that offers continious running, but then most logging lines didnt do that anyways.  I have one wall, 8 foot long that I could put a 24" to 30" deep shelf on, then another wall that I could put a 3 to 4 foot leg on.  My thoughts were a small saw mill at one end with a small locomotive shop and company buildings, then a switch back line along that long shelf, maybe 2 switch backs with 4-8% grades inbetween the tail tracks past the turnout.  Ending in a simulated logging reload station with a spar tree hauling logs out of the forest and reloaded on logging skells.  Just one engine, the 3 truck Bman Climax, maybe a half dozen Bman logging skells and a small caboose of sorts.   My problem is many times what I see in my mind, doesnt even closely fit in the area I have.   Looking for suggestions, am I nuts and lack the space to do this ect?   The area modeled would be eastern USA, WV maybe or even PA as there was logging lines there as well.    Mike

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 Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2013 06:32 pm
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Well, Mike.... Can you make a scaled out sketch of what you intend to build? It wouldn't have to be very elaborate. Just make yourself some rectangle pieces of paper the size of your loco and cars and place them on the paper. Then begin sketching in the track and the proposed buildings.

Now, I've never built a full layout like this. I'm a bit of a newbie to model railroading but I have been a full scale civil engineer for a lot of years and I've used similar techniques to design subdivisions and shopping centers.

Start with what you know, that being your real estate (layout) size and your train size and work from there.

From what you've described it seems doable but then I'm not that familiar with the size of a Bachmann 3 truck Climax. That seems like it might be a little big but again, make the sketch and see.

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 Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2013 06:48 pm
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If you go over to the Backwoods Miniatures website under the On30/On3 stuff, there is a nice pic of the Bachmann Climax with thier optional 3rd truck/tender added to it. The Climax is a small prototype, roughly the same size as thier 2 truck shay. I think it will fit, probably wont be able to get all the buildings I would like to have in the company town, probably will be more simulated in the backdrop then actual buildings. Right now funds are tied up in a Lionel engine, some HO stuff and 2 brass HO engines I have for sale. When they sell, then I can look at getting the Climax and Backwoods stuff, along with some Peco On30 track. Mike

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 Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2013 08:24 pm
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Howdy. An 8 foot length in On30 might be a bit short for what you want unless you have tail tracks that will only hold one loco and one car at a time. Also grades might need to be at least 10% or better but it could be done...possibly. You might consider making a 1"=1' scale mockup of the layout to see if it will work, such things always help to visualize how it will look.

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 Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2013 08:38 pm
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I am not thinking of a huge gain in vertical height, just enough to suggest its not the great plains of the midwest :) I would want tail tracks to hold the 3 truck climax and atleast 3 log skells. I can still model in HOn3, just getting harder to do so, and that removes lots of the enjoyment. Like my love of brass engines, as my age increases and patience decreases, getting them to run where I am happy with them has become a chore. A Climax with factory DCC/Sound, added details and the 3rd truck seem to be what the doctor ordered. I am to the point of having someone else do the build up of the 3rd truck, detailing and weathering for me.

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I dont mind bumping up the steepness of the grades, but I have been told to be carefull with that and the Bman's Climax tendicy to split drive collars under load like that. I was figuring 6 logging skells, 3 car sets to swap back and forth between the reload camp and the mill. The mill would be simulated off layout, with just the edge of the mill pond to recieve the logs as the jill poke knocks them off the bunks. The layouts budget is as shoe string as the real logging lines were back then. Going to school and not being employed right now kills the train budget. Cant do anything till I get 2 brass HO engines sold, along with the rest of my HO buildings ect. I do not want to use HO track, doesnt have the right narrow gauge or logging look to it. Peco or ME track looks much better.

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Well, maybe you might consider using Porters and shorter logs on disconnects. I'm not enough of a full scale authority to say if that makes any sense. For me, I like Porters and I don't so much care if real logging lines used them as long as when I was done I had something that looked like it could have been... It's just a thought.

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On a budget? Handlaid track is far cheaper than Peco or ME and you can get exactly what you want switch-wise. Plus it is fun to do!

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I tried hand laying once in HO scale, it was ok. I am hunting for someone to build up and modify the Climax for me. Weathering is something I cant do to my satisfaction. I want my Climax to look like the one on Backwood's website. Just like this pic. Mike

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 Posted: Tue Jan 22nd, 2013 03:37 am
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Well, it certainly is a nice looking loco. I wouldnt let it keep me from building a layout in the scale I wanted in the space I have. That said, maybe you'll find a way to make it work. I hope you do....



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