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 Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2013 04:29 am
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Well if you're down to either HO or On30, then I guess it doesn't really matter what scale, but rather what kind of HO 'gauge' track you use. Though I would be flattered if you were use my plan I do recommend taking a look around at different sites and get a feel for exactly what you want. No railroad is better to you than your own railroad, so don't constrain yourself to only published plans. Don't be afraid to try new things.

I then suggest taking track and trying your own track plans on the finished bench work until you get a track arrangement that works for you. I can just about guarantee you that you are capable of modifying any previous track plan, even if not quite the architect some of us are on this forum (not referring to me in any way). With that information, a person would be hard-pressed to find fault in themselves.

Good luck on this layout, I can't wait to see it, no matter what scale you're using. I'll also take a look at that climax, seems interesting.

Best of luck--James:java:



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 Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2013 11:26 am
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Here is a shot of the On30 Climax on the grade toward the first switchback. If bidding doesnt pick up, I may pull the auction and keep the darn thing. I had planned to get the 3rd truck kit and dress up kit from Backwoods Miniatures. I will say the sound version runs poorly on straight DC, but totaly awsome on DCC. Lacking a DCC system, thats another cost I have to consider if I keep the Climax. Mike

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Here is the pic from Backwoods Miniature's website, this is what I envisioned making my Climax look like. Mike

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 Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2013 05:04 pm
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I like that Backwoods conversion, Mike. Couldn't you do the majority of that without the 3rd truck just by painting and detailing it yourself? It's like James was saying, HO track and On30 track take up the same space. Of course, O scale equipment and O scale structures are twice as big as HO. I struggle with HO simply because it is so small... not the physical size of the models themselves but the details. I want nice detail and I'm too hamfisted to model details that small. Heck, I'm so hamfisted I went up to 1:35n2. The track is still HO but the details are 27% larger... easier to see. Easier to make.

I know it's not the Climax you desire but have you looked at the 1:35n2 Shays that Woodie has converted from a Bachmann On30 model? That would make an awesome little logging loco. Take a look. http://freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=4395&forum_id=17

Alright, that's enough selling 1:35 scale for one post. :rah:

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Oh and Woodie, if you're reading this.... Those rivets are perfect. :thumb:



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 Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2013 05:37 pm
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Thanks Mike..I'm like Santa, I see you when you are sleeping and know when you're awake...at least here on FR.

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 Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2013 05:50 pm
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If I pull the auction on the Climax, it would become a 3 trucker real fast. That has the look I prefer in a Climax. I wish Bachmann had chosen a bit larger of a prototype like the Durban Rocket 55ton Climax. Same basic engine just a bit larger and still with Stephenson valve gear. It was the prototype for thier HO Climax I believe. The 3rd truck, even though its not driven much like the PFM brass Climaxes, gives the engine some bulk and more realism IMHO. The plan was for enough tail track for the 3 truck Climax and 3 Bachmann logging skels to fit. The plan was to climb toward the left side of the layout to the first tail track, then reverse to the right, climbing, crossing a bridge to another tail track. Then one final stiff climb to the reload camp, which would be simulated as the track will be almost up against the wall at that point. The spar tree would be up against the wall and the rest just a painted back drop. I would probably lay in a second track/siding between the loading track and the drop off down to the first switchback to pack some of the logging camp cars that Bman made a few years ago. The final tally of RR equipment I wanted for the On30 version of my line was the 3 truck Climax, 6 logging skels and the camp cars. In the plan shown on page 1, where he put the interchange, I would have the sawmill, either false front or just the simulated pond at the front edge of the layout, track would skirt the pond to the jill poke. The actual interchange to the outside world would be simulated by a track that comes out of the trees and disappears out of site where I could stage something, maybe an old Atlas O scale F9 and a box car or two. I find the cost of the buildings in O scale expensive. The trains I can manage easily enough. I have the $$ in hand now to get the backwoods stuff. Probably just start with the 3rd truck, not sure if I want the gypsie winch on the front or not. The stack from Bman is fine with me. It just needs lots of logging junk draped all over it and weathered. Weathering is something someone else will have to do. Not my cup of tea! Right now the Climax doenst run well on DC, cuts in and out then takes off at a good clip. The starting voltage for the motor, a CV, isnt set right. Going to get that reprogramed now as it will be awhile before I have my own DCC set up. Hard to warrent $150+ for a 1 loco layout! Whats the vote? On30 or HO? Thanks for all the advice, I realy appreciate it. I see pro and cons on both scales, none really outweights the other so I am stuck in the middle. Only advantage is I HAVE the Climax already. So that is scale I am leaning toward. I am a lone wolf localy for On30 so I dont get much inspiration localy, just the wonderfull stuff I see online. Thanks again. Mike

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Round these parts I dont see any Narrow Gauge modelers either. The LHS sells some On30 stuff but the guys there are N scale modelers or Lionel enthusiasts. So I sort of know how you feel.

I'm sure whatever you do it will turn out nicely. You are obviously putting a lot of thought into the planning process and you have a good idea of what you want. That's #1.



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I can tell you right now that if you have the opportunity to use DCC, take that opportunity. The things that can be done with DCC is amazing now a days. Although you probably won't need to control two locomotives at once, the sounds the smoke, the lights, and the feeling of the railroad is boosted with DCC.

Of course this is just my opinion.

Best of luck to your layout.--James:java:



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I have had DCC in the past, loved it but gave it up when I went to outdoors large scale and Lionel indoors. Depends what I can find second hand. I dislike Digitrax with a passion. I loved my NCE Powercab entry level set up. Was so easy for programing. Gonna keep my eyes open for a good used one from someone upgrading. Bachmann's Dynamis system is pretty nice as well for a smaller layout. Similar to what I used on my past Marklin layout. We played around with the Climax on my buddies HO DCC layout today. I dont care for any of the factory installed whistles, they give you a B&O 3 chime, peanut and DRGW single chime. I want a whistle like on the shays at Cass or the Climax over in Durbin WV. Cheers Mike

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