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 Posted: Thu Apr 18th, 2013 08:32 pm
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Mike-I still think that NG&SLG is a top notch magazine but I don't buy it any more. Each issue I look through really has nothing interesting to me unless I have spent a bizillion dollars on the newest NG stuff and have hired a staff of "experts" to build my layout which is in a custom built 10,000 sq ft house just for the purpose. Wheew. I have noted over the years that articles end with "my model has won best in show, most detailed, and most expensive" or maybe the author has some initials after his name. Whatever it is, I don't really know. Some of us have become a bit "put off" by the attitude but then maybe we're just malcontents and are illiterate to boot. My current favorite is Narrow Gauge Down Under, an expensive publication. NGDU has more scratchbuilding articles, bits about how someone made a static grass applicator for less than 10 bucks, and very interesting bush railways and trams. But that's how my tastes have devolved or changed over the years.

Ryan has the right idea, I think that I will get some pie also...chocolate chess (yummmm) pie and a big glass of cold milk! If I could just get Missy to bring some over then I'd be a happy man.
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Oh yes...how about that On2 and a half...?



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 Posted: Thu Apr 18th, 2013 08:53 pm
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I understand about people being put off by the pretentious nature of some of NGSLG's articles but by-in large I don't think it concentrates on articles about layouts like Mr. Miller's. In fact, I see more articles about smallish HOn3 layouts than I do giant and super expensive stuff. NGDU is cool too and I buy it occasionally, like when my favorite Texan's layout graces the pages but I don't take it all the time. It's quite pricey and a little short on content that interests me at times.

I guess I'm one of those guys that just likes everything about model railroading and is willing to ignore those things that detract from that enjoyment. That said, I was curious enough to ask so I guess I'm not completely innocent.

I'm officially calling my preferred scale 35n24 and ifin anybody don't like it.... that's their problem. That said, I do think MR calling Bachmann's equipment On2 1/2 with On30 in parenthesis instead of just On30 is rather silly. What do they hope to accomplish with that besides wasting ink? (BTW, I'm just kidding about the 35n24)

One more thing.... If I ever hit the lottery I'm going to buy Mr. Miller's Fn3 layout and I'll invite you up to run some trains with me and drink a few adult beverages.

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I think overall, and I speak for just me on this, NG is what "you" make it.  That is the beauty of being a Narrow Gauger.  We have always had to do things different than other model railroaders.  Just couldn't go down to the corner hobby store and buy it.  We a narrow group had to think outside the box that the model came in and that scares most of the MR population.

Most conventional standard scale modeler's see every stone of ballast in the perfect spot, and if the the Box car doesn't have every freakin livery that it had when it was in train Q464 going through Baltimore,MD at 7/12/77 at 12:30pm than it isn't right.  That is what the Model railroader magazine has done to this hobby.  Frankly most modelers can't live up to that.  My thought,  who would want to?????

We are creative in many different ways, SHOW it OFF, be proud of what YOU can do.  Stand out from Model railroader and live the good life.

Just thoughts from a Narrow minded modeler......:Crazy:  I really must throw away my soap boxes I have collected.

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Mike,

In truth most of us don't really hate any of the model railroading publications out there. The problem is that there are really so few new ways of doing things in the hobby.

The press has hit the reset/repeat/shuffle button and coming back with many of the same techniques we saw 10 or even twenty years ago, albeit sometimes with a slight twist; maybe adding a new product not available back when.

I do, in fact, purchase some of the mags from time to time when an article strikes me as worthy of my coin. I'll buy any of them that have an article on my beloved Maine two-footers (yeah, when did you last see one of those?).

So a shout out to any publishers out there. Bring on the new and fresh!

Those are purely my thoughts off the top of my head so put those torches away. 

My two...

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Good afternoon all,
  Since I have been in On 21/2-On30 for more years then I can imagine I just want to float out a few thoughts.  I happened to be looking through some old personal journals a while back, these harken to when I first started in this scale and gauge, and found that on the title page it stated "Information for On 21/2".  When we exhibited our modules at train shows and ngg conventions we refereed to it in both terms, using the terms interchangeably.   The late Gordon North, Godfather of modern On 21/2 always refereed to it as On2 1/2.
  I don't like MR for a lot of reasons but the two points is what they did to an article that I wrote some years ago on the Deep Run RR and their perceived arrogance in regards to how they refereed to what I modeled.  I still haven't forgiven them for the slaughter of my article but I can cut them some slack on the nomenclature.
  I don't purchase the Gazette either, only because I don't model Colorado railroads and that is what it seems to me the focus is on.  If they truly diversified every issue I might reconsider buying it again.
  Lastly, Herb I hope I haven't let the cat out of the bag here, I have sent Herb a lot of pictures of not only my railroad but also locos other then all Bachmann that have been converted from HO to On 2 1/2-On30.  I have never sent or posted to the best of my memory any shots of my stuff, to any of the on line groups.  I sometimes write articles and I think that if I flood the Internet groups with my stuff, then you the purchaser gets cheated when you buy a model railroad magazine and my article is in it.  Case in point, the On30 Annual is a fine magazine and the quality is top notch, except that 99% of the articles have flooded the Internet.  Why would I want to buy it, I have seen most of everything in there  on line.  Now with that said I also know that Bob Brown, Chris Lane, and many others have to have submissions from us if they want to publish a magazine.  So if you venture into writing an article maybe you could leave it off of the net until well after it is published.
  So there are my thoughts good or bad, I stand by them and hope in the future you see an article written by me it will be a surprise.
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Wow, I think I agree with all said on this entire page 2 of the thread. Such different accounts that all add up.

I just let my NGSL subscription lapse after quite a few years of receiving it. I buy a copy of MR ever now and then, but wind up disappointed when I get it home and then vow not to buy it again.



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 Posted: Fri Apr 19th, 2013 01:34 am
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Hey Jooey,
 I understand you ran into my buddy Steve Sherrill and is r/c battery On30 railroad.  Good on ya.
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 Posted: Fri Apr 19th, 2013 01:41 am
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RyRiverRR wrote: I think overall, and I speak for just me on this, NG is what "you" make it.  That is the beauty of being a Narrow Gauger.  We have always had to do things different than other model railroaders.  Just couldn't go down to the corner hobby store and buy it.  We a narrow group had to think outside the box that the model came in and that scares most of the MR population.

Most conventional standard scale modeler's see every stone of ballast in the perfect spot, and if the the Box car doesn't have every freakin livery that it had when it was in train Q464 going through Baltimore,MD at 7/12/77 at 12:30pm than it isn't right.  That is what the Model railroader magazine has done to this hobby.  Frankly most modelers can't live up to that.  My thought,  who would want to?????

We are creative in many different ways, SHOW it OFF, be proud of what YOU can do.  Stand out from Model railroader and live the good life.

Just thoughts from a Narrow minded modeler......:Crazy:  I really must throw away my soap boxes I have collected.

Ryan





Amen Ryan. I agree 100%. Here's a statement that was made on a forum I used to belong to. I made the statement that I was a protolancer. Here was the guys response.

 
"On the other hand plausible freelancing is probably more difficult to pull off effectively, for there are no books, no websites, no historical societies, and no photos. That's a helluva handicap, so my hat does go off to those brave folks who try it, and the very few who can truly pull it off. One really needs a good working knowledge of civil engineering and general railway practice, followed by an excellent sense of plausible conjecture strictly kept within the limits of those disciplines."
That blow my mind. I dropped MR several years ago. I didn't see very many articles on scrtach building anymore.

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Protolancer..... Man, you guys here use too many big words for me. I'mina goda bed now.



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 Posted: Fri Apr 19th, 2013 03:02 am
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WOW!
When I wrote the "watch this space" thing, I wanted to stir up a little interest--I wondered if it would--
I don't think that I have ever agreed more with two pages of replies than these two.

First, why did I make the 2 1/2 statement? because back when I first encountered the concept, in Model Craftsman
-- that's what they, or the author, called it. Steve can probably tell us exactly when and who.
Often wondered since why a perfectly logical term was changed. If MR was the one that changed it it would make some sense, because after ignoring the idea for so long it would look like something that they "discovered" if the name was different.

As to magazines- I quit MR in the late 60's NG&SG in the early 80's- and when the MC subscription runs out that will be the end of that also. All for the above enumerated reasons. Only publication--and it is BiMonthly-- that I find interesting now is NG&IRMR from England. The quality of the modeling and subject matter is of interest to me.

Working on and around real 3' (NOT 2'12") railroad equipment at the EBT RR for 30 some years, I came to think of that as being better proportioned than standard gauge, and reenforced a long hidden love in the Maine 2 footers. Now, late in the game for me, I have a lot of std.gauge models and an operating layout--but it isn't narrow gauge--so it gets far too little work time or use. I prefer to scratch build--so even in my chosen scale 1/48, I am very unaware of what is commercially available. I have far too much in the way of parts and raw material squirreled away (the nut correlation holds true here).


Because On2 1/2 started out as something that out of necessity required scratchbuilding, and because believable (to me anyway) 2 foot gauge prototypes can be created by using existing HO mechanisms and scratchbuilding boilers, cabs and tenders, I thought that photos--some of locos built 35 years ago--might just stir up some interest in creating something that didn't come from out of a green box from China.



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