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 Posted: Fri Apr 19th, 2013 02:11 am
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The On2.5 critters are cool.... Really cool. I likes critters. I could build a bunch of them myself without any real need for them.... Just as a hobby in and of itself.



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 Posted: Fri Apr 19th, 2013 01:21 pm
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"Hey Jooey,
I understand you ran into my buddy Steve Sherrill and is r/c battery On30 railroad. Good on ya.
Steve Fisher"

I did and he was a treat to talk to. Very interesting stuff he is into with the batteries and such. I have not had the time to get over to his house to see his layout yet but I hope soon.

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 Posted: Fri Apr 19th, 2013 01:56 pm
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Good morning all,
 Well back from physical therapy and would like to address a few comments presented here over night. First off I am no expert about On 21/2-On30, just someone that got started early on.  The reason that I went into this was in fact that very few people were modeling in it, that was what interested me.  Second, yes On30 (much easier to type), is a builders scale and that means you can be creative.  Third, I am not a rivet counter but I do believe that this and any kind of modeling means it should at minimum be plausible. Forth, I have great modeling friends who help push me and motivate me , as I do them.  I did a project a couple of years ago for the MA and PA Society for Muddy Creek, PA with three other fine modelers.  I guess my task was to find good modelers who like to work in HO.  We needed to build a historically accurate model of this small village.  We were given photos, drawings, scale plans, and two artist renditions of the community.  While it was a fun project I did in fact feel somewhat limited in that it had to be built exactly as it was.
  When I have built and even now with this the last version of the Deep Run RR, it is plausible but not prototypical and that has allowed me to follow the creative genes, so much more fun.  I do have a lot of respect after having to build something prototypical just how hard it is.  Find your inner creativity, have fun, but remember contrary to another web site, we do have rules, like it or not.
  So let's move this conversation from magazines and what we call it and instead how about start posting some of your pics.  I find inspiration in others work and I would like to see what folks are doing on this list.
 Now, I must vacuum the house, but before I do I would like to ask a question that is tricky.  If someone posts a picture of their work and it needs help are we helping our fellow modeler by telling them how great it is or should we send a PM and suggest a different approach? 
OK, may your rails be parallel and your trains on time
S

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 Posted: Fri Apr 19th, 2013 02:10 pm
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I really don't worry about what 30" gauge in O scale is called, it's all trains to me. Many years ago, On30...On 2 1/2...whatever it is , was the domain for scratchbuilders who considered HO mechanisms and trucks (bogies to some) as "fair game" for conversions. Maybe HO/O narrow gauge 30" or some such, or to go way back-O30,O2 1/2, no "n" then. Anyway, in them olden days, one could buy a brass On3 RTR loco for the high price of $54.95 (LMB, etc) or a Kemtron C16 kit for close to a "C note". But a nice HO Mantua 0-4-0 Shifter kit was $14.95 and Kemtron had a beautiful HO 2-6-0 Wabash Mogul kit for about 50 bucks...and those ran on HO track. What's a boy to do? Spend the big bucks for nice brass that ran on 3/4" gauge or far less for neat locos that ran on 16.5MM gauge? Whatta choice! Old cats like Dick Andrews promoted the use of HO for narrow gauge modeling and if you were really crazy, Mr. Andrews would relate how to make On2 (pardon, On24) equipment from the HO stuff by using a hack saw and files. The world was young and Bachmann was just a gleam in some importer's eye.
Times pass and things change and today we have RTR stuff in green boxes and feel that we must bow down to the guys in Philadelphia for "discovering" On...whatever it is. Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. Maybe we should now. Looking at the photos of Steve's I am reminded that some still build the old fashioned way and no boxes are needed.
Yes, I am guilty of the "green box" addiction, I use the nice die cast models made in China by children as "fodder" for my New Mexican funkiness but I can rationalize it by remembering that since I must scratchbuild everything else, I can have a narrow gauge layout in my lifetime with working locomotives. And still, even in a much larger scale, I have used HO locos as a basis (Garratt) and will freely admit it...proudly admit it.
Then let's hear it for those guys and gals who keep the faith by butchering HO stuff and making it into the silk purses that we love to see.

Well, that's about all from me right now. I need some more bean squeezings (coffee) and maybe I will run an HO train...imagining how I can whack it up into something else.

Woodie

***I guess that I am out, I don't have On30 any more so any photos I send would look kind of strange. Oh well...*****



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 Posted: Fri Apr 19th, 2013 02:41 pm
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Steve wrote "Now, I must vacuum the house, but before I do I would like to ask a question that is tricky.  If someone posts a picture of their work and it needs help are we helping our fellow modeler by telling them how great it is or should we send a PM and suggest a different approach?" 

Quite the question Steve--If mediocrity is congratulated, fine results will never be attained. On the other hand, it may well be the very best that some are capable of for various reasons. Suggestions for improvement will always offend some, even if written in the kindest language.

So should we adopt the "If you can't say something good, say nothing"----I dunno-----

Herb



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 Posted: Fri Apr 19th, 2013 03:31 pm
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 "If mediocrity is congratulated" Herb wrote: You are very right we will never get better Herb..........

An attempt to model is just that.  Like so many things in this world, beauty is in the eye of the beholder....  It's OK if you don't like something in this PC world we live in.  But we all should think before we type, something like Mommy used to say. 

If you don't like something no big deal....but if you berate that person on their skills because you don't like something than you should be ashamed of yourself.  Picking things apart in a way that is nasty will never help or be a good thing. 

With that said people who put themselves out there with anything should not be wearing their FEELINGS on their sleeves.  If you put your photo out there be ready to hear things you don't want to hear.  NO BODY is PREFECT!!!!  take it learn from it and move on.

"So should we adopt the "If you can't say something good, say nothing"----I dunno-----"

How about if you don't want to hear any negative things about your photos than just don't POST anything.

I love the feedback,  Good or most of the times Bad, it makes me better as a modeler.  It makes me look at the piece differently and pick up on things that need improvement.  I always say that 100 pairs of eyes will always see something that my two missed.

Feedback is a great thing in life when it is done by people who care and what to help you.

Not so good when it is done by people that want to just be hurtful and negative to make them feel better.  Those people are easy to pick out and I just let those comments good in the trash.
 

Another thought from a Narrow minded Modeler.

Ryan

  



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 Posted: Fri Apr 19th, 2013 04:09 pm
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OK, well I am back, would have rather been modeling but the Treasure said if you want the money you need to work for it.   I didn't mean to cause any kind of dust up and would never berate any one, unless they are part of my once a month ops session.  I would only do it then for the slightest of infractions or your name was Ryan.  I guess one of us should have said that Ryan is a member of the Saturday morning session.
 So when I say what should one do about coaching I certainly don't mean being nasty, that is counter productive.  I certainly would ask the modeler if I could give them a suggestion or two, if I am told no then I will leave it at that.  I hear it on a regular basis from the Saturday guys and it has not only made me  better at modeling but the railroad has really improved.  Over the last couple of years, the major yard at Chestertown was totally rebuilt, the paper mill at Deep Run was completely rebuilt, better turnouts, and now two of the members are building the track work between the standard gauge and narrow gauge and also the track work in the saw mill and the stone mill.  I have learned to at times give up total control and let someone else do it.  I hate track work and others love it, I benefited.
 So guys how about less words and more pictures.
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Steve,  I was not suggesting in anyway that you would be the one doing any of those things, my apologies if you did.  I was just stating that other sites and forums and sometimes on this site people take things the wrong way from what was intended at the first place.

By no means would I ever say that you or anyone else would be nasty or mean spirited in any way. 

I think that people need to be aware that constructive criticism is a very good thing.  It makes us better.

I am a master of nothing in this hobby.  I just model and scratch build because I enjoy it.  I can be better in many ways and I enjoy the friendship that this hobby brings to the table.

I look towards the RailBaron of MD to inspire and challenge me to be better.


Ryan




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Oh by the way, I look forward to the be-ratings at least once a month.............LoL

The sessions are very up lifting!!!!!!!!!!

Ryan




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 Posted: Fri Apr 19th, 2013 05:21 pm
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OK here is a picture of a HO S-4 converted into ON21/2



and a b-mann caboose turned into a snowplow



There you go guys,  Two from me.

Ryan



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