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Chicago Transit Authority (CAT) (1947, 5001-5004 series) 3-Car Set

My Model will be a "Freelance 3-Car Set" Kit-Bashed using 3 PCC Trolley models.

A member of the local train club I belong to gave me 10 years of Railroad Model Craftsman magazines.  

In a Sep. 1994 issue of RMC, page 111, I found an advertisement for a "CTA-5000  3 Car Articulated set", in Brass.  

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I did a search for more information and found pictures on several web sites and it seems this version of the CTA-5000 series set was used from 1947 (?) to at least 1977 (?).  

This link has a bunch of pictures:

http://www.chicago-l.org/trains/gallery/5000s04.html

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After looking at a set of drawings for the CTA-5001-5004 cars I pulled out a Funaro & Camerlengo kit of an HO Pacific Electric PCC Car and compared it to the side view of the CTA 5001 drawing.  

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I lined up the PCC body shell up with the drawing of the CTA-5001 using the side doors as a reference point.  It looked like I could cut the front and back ends off the PCC model leaving 4 windows forward and 5 windows toward the back.

This would give me a "Lead" unit that looks close to the "Lead" unit on the CTA 5001-5004's Prototype. Then for the middle unit I would leave 3 windows on one side of the doors and 4 window on the other side.  

For the top and ends I would make or modify new parts as necessary to look like the CTA 5001 - 5004's.  That would leave a few smaller details and a way to power the models.

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The top on the PCC donor was a bit lower then the top on the CTA-5001. I have added several pieces of Styrene to the top of the PCC donor. After some filing and sanding I have something close to the prototype top.

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Thinking ahead a bit I plan to power the 5001 Three Car Set with NWSL Stanton Drives along with the Stanton S-CAB Radio Control System.

I expect to be running Battery Power only, no provision for track power. My Battery will be removed for charging as required.

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This is the front or rear unit with the construction mostly finished. I am waiting for F&C to make a new mold and cast some more PCC cars. I need two more kits but have five on order. I will make at least two "three car sets"

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Looking great! I'll be following this one.

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Bill,

Nice little project you've got going there. I like stuff like this. Making something from other parts to come up with a facsimile of the real thing. Excellent work.

I do have a question. I always wonder were people get drawings for their projects or how they go about trying to find info to create their work of art. I've been chasing down information on the Hulett ore un-loaders. Finding drawings was a bit tough at first, but I did finally find a source. I see from your drawings that they are quite large. Would you care to share that info on obtaining your drawings?

I'm going to keep an eye on this project as it progresses.

Bernd 

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Bernd wrote:
Bill,

I do have a question. I always wonder were people get drawings for their projects or how they go about trying to find info to create their work of art. I've been chasing down information on the Hulett ore un-loaders. Finding drawings was a bit tough at first, but I did finally find a source. I see from your drawings that they are quite large. Would you care to share that info on obtaining your drawings?

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Hi Bernd and others,

Thanks for the comments.

I spend a lot of time looking at photos in books, magazines and the internet.
If I see something I like I will save the link or save a picture or an article. I Save the paper references in note binders by subject. I currently have about 150 of these binders.

If I decide to build something I start by doing more searching on the internet. If I don't have it, I look for a really good side view or set of drawings. For an engine or some type of rolling stock I also look for a set of Specs or measurements.

If I can't find drawings, I belong to a lot of yahoo train groups and I will usually ask on some of those groups if anyone has a reference for what I am looking for. In the case of the CTA-5001 cars when I asked, I was sent a link to " chicago-l.org" . Chicago-l.org had several drawings (side and end views) showing the different paint jobs used on the older CTA 5001-5004 series 3-car sets. I made a copy of one of the drawings - a small drawing - took the specs for car length and used my printer to scale the drawing for both O scale and HO scale. The drawings in the background of several of the pictures is one of those.

I didn't post the drawing as it is copyright protected.

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Thanks Bill.

I didn't expect you to post the drawings. I just saw how nice they looked and just wondered. After reading you commentary on finding info I'm satisfied knowing I am doing it correctly then. I did the same in finding drawings for the Hulett ore un-loaders.

Again, great looking project and I'll keep looking in on you as you progress on it.

Thanks again.

Bernd

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After a bit of a wait I received 5 new PCC kits from F&C on Sunday.

I will start back to work on my first 3-car set after the new year and I have enough kits to make a second set if I want.

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Here's an MTS H0 scale CRT 5000 car in brass....

Attachment: CTA 5000 Articulated Car 03.jpg (Downloaded 27 times)

Last edited on Wed Dec 24th, 2014 06:37 am by Across the Bridge

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Very nice project!. I would make a charging track somewhere to park the consist without having to remove the battery, like the Miniature Wunderland does with their extensive fleet of scale autos. Jose.

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Across the Bridge wrote:
Here's an MTS H0 scale CRT 5000 car in brass....

Thanks for posting the picture.

The CTA set looks really nice, if this is your set do you have more pictures of it that you could post? Thanks

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pipopak wrote:
Very nice project!. I would make a charging track somewhere to park the consist without having to remove the battery, like the Miniature Wunderland does with their extensive fleet of scale autos. Jose.

Thanks for the comment.

I have two of the S-CAB Battery Charger Boards but haven't tried them yet. I plan to make the car shells lift off so it is easy to do a battery swap when necessary.

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Nice work Bill !

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Bill Fornshell wrote:
The CTA set looks really nice, if this is your set do you have more pictures of it that you could post? Thanks
Ok.....

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More....

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Prototype in the wild.....

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Prototype in captivity....

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This one isn't mine - it shows how the articulation was set up on the MTS brass model.....

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Across the Bridge wrote:
This one isn't mine - it shows how the articulation was set up on the MTS brass model.....

Thank you for all the additional photos. The first model has a really nice paint job and lots of details for me to try an capture on my CTA cars. The brass model also looks really nice model.

The chassis for mine will look very much like the one on the brass model. I had re-motored an Electroliner some time ago and it had an articulated chassis very similar to the one on the brass CTA model.


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