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 Posted: Thu May 9th, 2013 01:25 am
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Dandy, what are your reference sources for the San Diego Electric ? Is the San Diego Railroad Museum Research Library still in operation (did some volunteering there in 1996 or so) ?

In the book, Sacramento Northern, there references to the former San Diego Electric Birneys operating under Chico Electric and later, Northern Electric management.

We grew up in a good time period for a late teen/early 20 types, going to gigs by 999, The Penentrators, and the Untouchables. I was a skater during that time (a closet model railroader, it just wasn't 'cool' in high school) and was around skaters who are considered "legends" now. It was a very good time to be in San Diego.

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 Posted: Thu May 9th, 2013 03:22 am
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Almost forgot. Dandy, didn't Grossmont High football played in a division championship game against Lincoln High, whose quarterback was Marcus Allen (yeah, THAT Marcus Allen) ?

-Wayde

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Thank you guys! The blog is a hobby all in itself.

Most of the information on the San Diego Electric Railway I get is from the book: Rails of the Silver Gate.

http://www.amazon.com/Rails-Silver-Gate-Spreckels-Empire/dp/B0006CJ1CA

But the information on SDERy Birney was found here:

http://people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/birney.html

Skater eh? I went to a Replacements concert at that skatepark that used to be under that huge 8 and 405 junction bridges. That was a hella place!

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 Posted: Sun May 12th, 2013 03:21 pm
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Dandy, that was the Oasis Skatepark, I used to see guys like Billy Ruff and Doug "Pineapple" Saladino there. I was a regular at Del Mar Skate Ranch, across the street from the fairground.

Thanks for the reference information for the San Diego Electrics, have to look into that book.

Although I have been living in Arizona for last ten or so years, people knows that I am still a Chargers fan, whether I am driving about on foot.

-Wayde

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The San Diego Electric Railway was an Spreckels entity ? I didn't know that, but, I am not surprised, if Spreckels was involved, it was with Southern Pacific's money. Just the San Diego & Arizona Eastern railroad was.

I put in a request at the local library to get a copy of the Rails of the Silver Gates book.

-Wayde

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 Posted: Sun May 12th, 2013 07:24 pm
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Yep! Spreckels really got sucked into San Diego. He was sailing his yacht down to Mexico when someone had left the refrigerator door open and spoiled the food. So he pulled into Diego to reprovision. While he was there he found a good deal on a wharf and so bought it. The warf came with a railroad to get cargo from the warehouse out to the ships and back. In order to make the warf more profitable, Spreckels needed to extend the railroad further into the city. But another railroad was already there. So he bought that! That railroad included a streetcar. In order to make that profitable he needed to extend the streetcar tracks to increase ridership. In order to that he needed to build more houses . And in order to do that he needed to bring more water into town and so built a flume from the Cuyamaca mountains. So on and so forth until he had bought all the railroads in town (except the AT&SF) and consolidated all the streetcar companies into the San Diego Electric, and all the steam roads into the SD&A. The SP was only involved with the SD&A. The SD&A was the last transcontinental railroad to be built in the US.

FYI: "Dan D Sparks" is a play on "John D Spreckels". My real name is David Lyman and I'm an animator by trade. I use the Dandy name for model railroading so that when animation headhunters google my name, they don't get a bunch of choochoo train stuff! There! My secret identity is revealed! But buried in a big block of boring text, bwahahahaaa!

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Some of the people here probably don't know who John D. Spreckels was. Spreckels Sugar was the foundation of John D. Spreckels' fortune, and he used some of that fortune to build a financial empire in the San Diego area.

His influences can still be seen around San Diego, Hotel Del Coronado, Spreckels Theater, in the legacy of the railroad, and so on.

San Diego is and always will be my home town.

-Wayde

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