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http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7127/7620285540_9fb356bf13_z.jpg
Now try putting a model of this on the layout and see what happens!.

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GULP!

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"There's a prototype for everything"

just became

"There are prototypes for things you can't even begin to imagine"



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I believe that is the SP main line crossing over I80 at Auburn, CA.

That bridge is even bigger and more complicated than it looks in the photo!


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Hi Scott


This is a worrying thought on 'crazy bridge of the day'.

I rely on Jose for ACCURATE model making information !


Is this bridge CRAZY as Jose maintains ?

Or is the bridge just big & complicated ?


Perhaps we need a vet. like John Allen to bridge the gap here.


If yer gonna do a bridge...

...do it BIG & CRAZY right ?

?

Si.

;)


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As legend goes, when the need to widen the road arose,
the footings for the trestle (top part) were on the way
so the RR just slapped another bridge under it and called it a day!

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HOLY SH%T !!...whatta bridge. Jose, you always find the coolest stuff.

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A nice find indeed.

Scott, you're right about the location.

Jose, I think you're about the legend too.

With the help of google streetview / maps I've got some photo's from a different point of view.

You can see that the upper bridge has a bigger beam in the middle, that was not necessary if it was designed like it is now.

Personaly I wonder how they deal with temperature expansion.
There are some bearing blocks between the two bridges but I can't see them under the lower bridge???

And why did they use ballast on the bridge?
The extra weight makes that the construction has to be extra heavy too.
There other solutions for that.


Here are the photo's from google:














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Alwin:
thanks for the extra pics. From the new angles seems that the addition is somewhat wider than necessary also. Jose.

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Just got a great look at the bridge from google maps.

search: andrews st. auburn, ca.

It should put you right there.

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On my way to Sparks, NV last week-end I discovered another, similar bridge over I80 a few miles East of Auburn.
Still the UP (ex-SP) main line, but the bridge was higher, longer, and uses stacked deck girders instead of trusses.
I was in a hurry and had no camera, so I took no photos.

If Alwin can crank up the Google machine, maybe he can find pics?

Cheers,

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Can you post the location so we can streetview it?.

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Scott, I think you mean this one:





Paste this co-ordinates in Google and you're there:
39.123468,-120.939918


At the satellite view you can see there is a curve in the bridges, I've got no idea why.
A straight bridge is easier/cheaper to built and I see no obstacles for a straight one.

Anyone else with more crazy bridges?

I like them.

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Another I find is a double deck rotary bridge.
Trains on the lower deck and street traffic on the upper deck.

Crazy enough? :bg:

These are the coords for goolge, 38.586047,-121.505136








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:moose::moose::moose:

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That rondhouse/shop combo looks interesting too. Jose.

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Alwin,

That is the bridge.

Cheers,

Scott


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New crazy bridge found. It's more what is ON the bridge this time:

http://www.erraticlight.com/2010/10/your-guess-is-as-good-as-mine/

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And the next ones.
Three in one link.
Maybe not as crazy/strange as the previous ones,
but I think everyone here likes them:


http://piczpost.com/?p=38661


What's the name for such kind of bridge?


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I guess it was built like that,
so when it was not economical enough to keep operating the railroad
the logs would be recovered and sent to the sawmill with minimal damage.


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Alwin wrote: New crazy bridge found. It's more what is ON the bridge this time:

http://www.erraticlight.com/2010/10/your-guess-is-as-good-as-mine/

Alwin

I don't think this one is 'too' weird.
It's a swing span bridge and the bridge cabins' are pretty normal.
I Googled Coos Bay and it seems they have a couple swing span bridges around the bay.


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Alwin wrote: And the next ones. Three in one link. Maybe not as crazy/strange as the previous ones but I think everyone here likes them:

http://piczpost.com/?p=38661

What's the name for such kind of bridge?

Alwin

Someone might like this: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wioconto/loggingholt42.htm

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Some of you might know this one. It's in Montréal, Canada.
The name of the bridge is Pont Victoria.


There are two bridges, one in a straight line and one curved.
Both bridges go over a lock-gate.
The curved bridge was build to make it possible for trains to travel while the other lock-gate was opened.
The other interesting part is the configuration of the roads beside / over / under the railroad track.


These are the coordinates for google maps: 45.494992,-73.519714








Photo by the lock-gate.
Two road lanes are under the railroadbridge, the other two are passing beside.





The other side of the road is passing above the railroad track. See also the next photo.





Alwin


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Hi Alwin :wave:



That is all in all ... some really CRAZY bridge combo !  :hyp:


How on Earth did you come across that ?



???



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OT:
Montréal is not only a place for weird bridges - cryptic messages on tombstones are also a speciality there.
Now back to  bridges...

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How about a bridge with an almost right-angled crossing in the middle of it?




https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pont_en_X


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Here's another view:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pont_en_X#/media/File:Le_Mans,_pont_en_X_1.jpg

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pont_en_X#/media/File:LL_63_-_LE_MANS_-_Vue_prise_vers_le_Tunnel.JPG

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WOW ! :shocked:

Bridge 'X' is pretty ^^ darn CRAZY ! :Crazy:



I'm not sure if this next bridge is CRAZY enough ? ???

Only Jose 'Master Of Bridge Craziness' can be the judge of that. ;)





Anyone gotta toothpick ?  :P



:mex:



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Seems to work, but don't ask me to go thru it.
Master Chicken Jose.

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It even looks like there is a switch at the end?
B.t.w., the lenght and height are impressive.

What about this one, not that crazy but I had never seen this construction form before.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f2/a5/71/f2a571b1f5624061df96e7dad806292e.jpg

Text from internet:
Bollman Truss North Branch Bridge built in late 1857 to replace the wooden bridge.
This 1858 photo appear in Geo. B. Abdill book Civil War Railroads and Daniel Toomey's book The War Came by Train.
The new iron bridge was destroyed by the Confederate Army in May 1861, June 1863 and a third time on February 2, 1864.


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" What about this one, not that crazy but I had never seen this construction form before "



Hi Alwin :wave:



I dunno. L:

It looks pretty CRAZY to me ! :Crazy:



I've not seen that exact construction before either. :us:

It kinda looks like 1/2 'cable-stay' ...

...& 1/2 (upside-down) 'suspension-bridge' ... with the DECK on TOP !



Well I never !!  :P



It's got LOADS of 'triangles' so probably stayed up OK ...

... until they DYNAMITED ! it. :f:



:brill:



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They just drew Cremona's plan ( the newest in statics' calculation then )

and made a Fink truss out of it.

Appomattox High Bridge is another example of this German's technique.



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Wow, those are all cool bridges! Very interesting stuff!

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The 'Bailey Bridge' ...  :Salute:  YYEESSIIRR !!




I remember somehow Pops going on about the 'Bailey Bridge' & how clever its design was ...  :brill:
... also somehow recalling my 'Airfix' HO scale Pontoon Bridge kit of yesteryear.  :old dude:





Designed to replace blown-up bridges for the most part, circa WWII design, I believe.

Don't 'quote' me though ! ... This aint a history lesson !!  :P


Had to be simple, portable, strong etc. ... Plus quick & easy to assemble.

The Army probably had specially selected crack-troops, who were good at 'Meccano' sets to do this.  ;)


Pops was in wireless-comms, so never turned a rusty bolt on a 'Bailey Bridge' ... just a rusty dial on a radio !


If it was good for whatever reasons, it might be good for a rinky-dink mining/logging railroad as well ?  L:


" OK ... Right Lads ! ... GET MECCANOING !! "  :Salute:



:brill:



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Okay Si

you're gonna hate me for this:





You can find them on eBay. 

A little expensive starting around $30 plus postage.


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" Okay Si you're gonna hate me for this "



Hi Michael  :wave:



CORRECT !  :f:



For some insane reason  :Crazy:  I hadn't even thought of searching for a 1:35 model of one !

But YES ! the 'Bronco' model does look interesting.  L:

A double-decker Bailey Bridge version is available as well, Better value ? with more sprues I suppose ??





Tempting & a great possibility for adapting its girders in other scales, as well as 1:35  :!:

The bridge components could easily work for On30 and perhaps Gn15 bridge BASHers.  :)



What do you think Michael ? ... I know you're tempted !!  ;)



:pimp:



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If you want to see the content of the kit:

https://www.super-hobby.nl/products/Bailey-Type-Double-Double-M1-Panel-Bridge.html


It looks a bit like this bridge which is build after WW2 cause the original concrete bridge was destroyed.

The temporary replacement bridge is still there...

Ehzerbrug


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Hi Alwin  :wave:



Nice Bailey Bridge you found.  :thumb:
Not just a 5-min temporary bridge ... But built TO LAST so it seems !  :old dude:



There are quite a lot of Bailey Bridge related pictures on Google Images . . .



" Well chaps ... The Top Brass at H.Q. will think this is a rather spiffy bridge if I'm not entirely mistaken "  :Salute:





D.C.Bailey lets his pipe momentarily go out, as he curses 'Meccano' for never including enough L-brackets !  ;)



Another dam    Canadian construction project !  :shocked:





Musta dam well run the Local Hobby Store right outta L-brackets for than one !  :P




Not so much Bailey Bridge ... as Bailey Bloomin' BIG !!  :brill:



I never liked 'Meccano' much anyway ... Except for the gear-wheels of course !  :bg:



:cool:



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Si

Imagine walking into your LHS and ordering up a 100 kits to get started! on a project like that,

think I will stick to smaller? steel bridges myself.


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" Imagine walking into your LHS and ordering up a 100 kits to get started! on a project like that "



Hi    Ken  :wave:



I think I'd need a small team of Elves as well ...

... all heavily armed ... with those tiny little Meccano spanners !  :Salute:





A vintage bridge laying illustration, from Google Images, titled ... 'Before The Bailey Bridge'.



:)



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Don't know much about this unusual, and slightly sketchy looking suspension bridge with what looks like a Porter loco,

other than the caption said "Rice Canyon" and that the suspension bridge was temporary.





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Comparing the photo with ones in "Mexican Narrow Gauge"

The bridge was built for the "Ferrocarril Mapini Railway" owned by the "Penoles Mining Co",
at Camp Sur to connect the mine with the railway to the smelter.

Empty ore cars back hauled to the mine with a cable line,
from the looks of it the engine is approaching the bridge to pickup a cut of loaded ore cars.

Mine and Railway lasted into the 1940s ?.


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It does look like the Penoles Mining Co bridge, but it is not.

A quick search for “Rice Canyon” indicates several possibilities.

I believe the suspension bridge was constructed to make a large fill.

I’ll post more info when I am home.


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A few more details on the suspension bridge:

I don't recall exactly where I came across the photograph, but it was captioned

"Chew & Silkes subcontract. Suspension bridge for making embankment. 1907-08"

and below it

"Rice Canyon"





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After enlarging the photo,

I can see that the tower is made of wood timber, rather then the steel/iron used for the bridge at Camp Sur on the FCM Rly.

Do I need yet another project  :bang:



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I think those in the 2nd coach might well be thanking  link-n-pin  couplers .  .   .


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When you haven't got room for even the tightest of return loops, just stick part of it on a bridge.


 


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That may be the tightest prototype corner I've ever seen

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They apparently struggled getting stuff round it.





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That's funny

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What's even more interesting is that it's still there up in the mountains, though disused.

This taken last year 





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0-2-0Ts?

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Hi Tom  :wave:



I really like those 3 TIGHT loop pix. !!  :thumb:

Anyone who says 6" curves & Porters are unrealistic .  .   .   :P

+ a CRAZY  :Crazy:  bridge AS WELL !  :shocked:

Who could want MORE !  L:



:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:



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Hi there CRAZY ! bridge lovers !!  :old dude:


Some time ago the  :moose:Rly.  was on the look out for a CRAZY :Crazy: bridge !  L:

I know what I can make with toffee-apple sticks.  :shocked:

I have also had a BASH at using Plastruct(TM) & HACKSAWed 'Airfix' Pontoon Bridge kits !  :Salute:



So despite my R.R. project being a 'small' low $$$ outfit & toffee-apple trestles being std. ...  :mex:

... I really wanted a 'proper' bridge as well ... if yer know wot I'm gettin' at Guv'nor !  :thumb:



It pretty much HAD to be a very complicated & maybe even very expensive $$$ plastic kit ...

... although I did fancy the ol' 'Hornby Dublo' OO-scale diecast girder bridge a teeny bit !  :P



Anyway my final choice of an exotic highly detailed & highly $$$ German 'Kibri' HO plastic kit ...

... was deemed unrealistic by Salada at the time, who showed a spindly D.& R.G.W. one to prove it !  :f:



BAH !!  I fumed, as I contemplated listing my shiny new EXPENSIVE German kit, back on to Bay.  ;)


( this is turning into a   l  o  n  g  e  r   story than I imagined )


Punchline :  :time:

I was looking at photos of the wonderful 'Kiso Forest Railway' in Japan recently & ...





... Some ol' B&Ws came up on Google Images ...





... & slightly more mooodern.





The main curved-truss span, looks JUST like my 'rivet-counters delight', German 'Kibri' !
The D.& R.G.W. honestly DIDN'T use a single ounce of steel, more than they had to on bridges !!  :old dude:



Nice looking bridge those Japanese loggers have got there ... Built to LAST as well !

Is it CRAZY ?  ???

A bit !  :cool:



:java::moose:Rly.



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Not all bridges on that line were as substantial.





(Kiso Forest Railway Uguigawa Line)


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Hi Tom  :wave:



That's a real nice photo of how they dealt with a logging 'spur' I guess.  :thumb:

The way the track follows the contours is cool.  :cool:


It looks largely shored-up by timber as well.

I hadn't seen that Kiso pic. before.





Here's ^^ what looks like a 'typical' Kiso Forest, low bridging job, close up from Google Images.



:)



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An unknown small logging bridge.  :mex:


Maybe a pole-road ? ...  ???

... or just to collect stray wagon wheels ?






L:



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Here is a pic I took of a portion of a series of bridges on the Moondarra tramway near the Tyres River in 1970.

The tramway was near a sawmill and timber was transported to Moondarra narrow gauge railway station on the Moe - Walhalla railway.

Between the bridge and the station was a long incline to reach the heights of the railway.





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Hi Peter  :wave:



C :cool: :cool: L  photo  !  :thumb:


A very very very long long long time ago in my lil' 1:72  (or 1:76 ?)  'Airfix' world ...  :old dude:

... I had one of these !





Not a bad ol' thing she was !  ;)

The girders got 're-cycled' in the end, for various cunning N-scale uses !  :P



The deck & boats ? ... No idea what happened to those ...  ???

... probably floated off downstream, when the N-scale Fat-Controller ordered it's BASHing !  :shocked:





Never had mine setup as  C :cool: :cool: L  as this one ^^ is though !

This snap really GRABBED my attention on Google Images, as I looked for 'Bailey Bridge' stuff.  :)



You can still get the 'Airfix' Pontoon Bridge kit, as a recent re-release ...

... or scratch around on eBay looking for an ol' rusty one ! ... They sell QUICK though ... YESIR !!  :Salute:


 

That original swingin' '60s box-art is very hard to beat though !  [whack]



:pimp:  Pimp My Pontoons !



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Strange, for a re-release they changed it from 1/72 to 1/76  :)  [whack] :doh:




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" Strange, for a re-release they changed it from 1/72 to 1/76  :)  [whack] :doh: "



Hi Cor  :wave:



Yes ... Very weird ?  L:



1:72 is, I think, the model-plane scale my friend Pat likes. 

&

1:76 is OO model-train scale ... Right ? 

(Geez, I should check my 'facts' before Posting !)  ;)



Anyone know how come we have TWO scales like these, really close together ?  L:

It aint exactly the only example of this of course.  :P



Def. 'weird' on the part of 'Airfix' though.  :Crazy:



:dt:



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Alwin wrote:
And why did they use ballast on the bridge?
The extra weight makes that the construction has to be extra heavy too.
There other solutions for that.


I understand that this is the way to go today.

A non ballasted bridge will cause a "dip" in the roadbed before and after the bridge,
because the ballast will settle and the steel or concrete bridge doesnt.

This may cause a high powered loco to slip its drivers momentarily,
and then cause stresses on the drive components when she grips the rails again.


Gerold


.... just noticed I commented to a very old message ....
anyway, maybe its still of interest.



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