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Yep !

I have this book.

Si.

(more to follow !)

(am also tryin' to see how this postin' comes out !)

(might even try n start a modlin' thread if I figure it out !!! )

I like this book, by the way ! :glad:

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The railroad

is

the

Mt Tamalpais & Muir Woods Railway

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North of San Francisco there is a half-mile-high mountain rising seemingly from the water.

It is held in affection by all, and so is the memory of the now vanished Mt. Tamalpais & Muir Woods Railway which scaled it.

...

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Thousands of thrilled tourists rode the gravity car,
gasped at the breath-taking scenery,
visited nearby Muir Woods,
and recollect the trips fondly to this day.

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Here is a readable history of the railway's 30 years of existence - its planning and construction,
branch lines,
methods of operation.

Read about how it pioneered in novel equipment,
watering wheels,
heating feedwater in the stacks,
and being one of the first to use oil burning locomotives exclusively.

(don't ask me? pit-nickers ... I'm readin' the JACKET !)

more to follow !

Si.

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281 curves

made 42 complete circles

in it's 8 1/4 miles of track !

( sounds about right for a MODEL RAILROAD !!! )

Si.

( yeah ... more up ... )

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Yes, it is a great book by Ted Wurm and Al Graves. Matter of fact, here's a link to available copies from ABE...hold on...they start at a couple of bucks!

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&tn=crookedest+railroad+in+the+world

At those prices, EVERYBODY can afford one! This is a cool book and has a chapter about how to fire a Shay locomotive, from getting the fire going to putting her to bed after a run. Great stuff and there are drawings of the Shays, Heisler, and the incredible tourist cars and "gravity cars". YOU NEED THIS BOOK!

Woodie

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Shay LOVERS need apply NNOOWW !!

YEAH !!!

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( curvey ! )

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A model railroad based on the MT&MW would be almost impossible to operate protypically.


Prove me wrong!!



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You could be right Herb.

How about gravity-cars with RC brakes ?

Looking at the pix. in the book ...
... & there are a lot of pix.
... the scenery could be pretty interesting !

Cheers

Si.

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Found this on Youtube,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpI7ZBuB9GA

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Great find Heath!

Herb

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Yes, a great video. Imagine riding a gravity car down the line to Muir Woods, like in the vid. BTW, the railroad had a minimum curve of 70 feet...in O scale, that's 17.5" radius and they ran standard gauge Shays & Heislers and long excursion cars around this.

Woodie

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Nice one Heath !!!

Cheers

Si.

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bummer............somebody took down the link.

 

mike

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:moose::sad:Si.

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:apl::rah::glad::rah::apl:



Racey Chevy pickup, The #7 spot & Excursion cars; Mount Tam. summit c.1923

:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:

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Yes, I can't hype this book too much! I just got it out again and drooled over the old photos and plans. Some time back, I started to build on O scale, standard gauge model of the Motor Car #1, then thought about a 35n2 model. The car is so wide that it woud need to be whacked on for narrow gauge, might destroy it's looks. For you guys with the old Testors/Hawk Cable Car kits (1:48), here is the inspiration. MT&MWRR ran an old SF cable car as a passenger car, still painted in the car's original colors. Plus other unusual pieces of passenger equipment. And then there are the Shays with "swept back" fuel bunkers. In summation, all I can advise is to BUY THIS BOOK no matter what you model.

Woodie

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8KlsOxpzAM

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:glad:... " Time for a ride down the mountain in one of the gravity-cars ! " ... :brill:



Tavern at summit, from plane, c.1920


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:bg:

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Nice day out in the woods !



Departing from Mill Valley depot for the SUMMIT ! ... c.1920

:glad:

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:bg:

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Crookedest ! :)

Another nice photo of Mill Valley Depot.

The name of the railroad is billed differently, to that in the book.
Railroads change their names all the time, of course !



All the best.

Cheers

Si.

:P


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And there is a never modelled detail: a door cut into a wall sign. Jose.

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And for those of you who like complicated things, the MT&MWRR connected with a 3 foot gauge line and an overhead trolley line, all 3 arrived at the Mill Valley station. For the modeler who wants everything...mountains, docks, standard gauge, narrow gauge, trolleys, and gravity cars through the redwoods. And there was a bar (tavern) at the top of the mountain.

Woodie

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Hi Jose

I thought of you; posting the last pic. !

Doors...doors...doors...

(& Keith; with his painted (top) door-frame !)

& esp.

1st floor doors...
...goin' NOWHERE ... eeeeecksss !!

Simply gotta do a buildin' wiv 'em ALL !

All the best.

Cheers

Si.

P.S.

Tavern at top...
...already posted.
More Tavern pix. comin'...
...s o o n .

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The first tavern at the summit of Mt. Tam.

" What they make the beer with there ? ...

... Maybe it's the altitude ! " :Crazy:

:java::P Si.

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Mill Valley Depot :cb:



WOW !!

Pretty busy at Mill Valley Depot !!! :thumb:

Dual gauge trackage in evidence.

A bunch of gravity-cars this side of the platform, by the looks of.

Funky Shay waiting to blast-off to the summit with a BIG excursion train...

...lil' ol' gravity-car pushed in front.

:moose:
  Si.


Perhaps in fact; the cars this side of the platform; are the 'wide-gauge' items ...

... ?

Look 'centred' on the rails to this ol' fool ! :old dude:

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:wave: " Hi Mr. engine driver "  :cool:



:thumb:

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An original railroad brochure ... ( hover mouse & press 'SHIFT + R' for better image).









1 Buck 50 for the ride of your life !

Not a bad price ... for a 'Crooked Railroad' !

:moose::rah::moose:

If you're sharing a gravity-car with a couple of Mooses ...

... try not to flap-around too much ...

... they might not like it !


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( hover mouse & press 'SHIFT + R' for better image)



:java: :P Si.

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Si, I get the feeling that you don't really like the MT&MW RR...do you? That'll put a knot in your bowtie (you know where that is or was). For Shay, for Shay....

Woodrow

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???
Mmm...
Si.

My Grandfather always wore a bow-tie ...
... Senior staff ...
... Southern Railroad.

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Gravity-car ... Go ... ing ... do ... wn ... !!!



:cb: " Hold on t' yer hat bud ! "

" Gravity-cars; far to DANGEROUS; wouldn't go on one myself ! " :old dude:

:mex:
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Si-the RR had what was called a "bow tie" loop about half way up Mt. Tamalpais. I believe it was where the branch took off to Muir Woods. I would have loved to have ridden a gravity car down, waiver or not!

Woodie

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Woodrow Si fellers..

For those of us whot loves books...the times are great..I bought Rails to the Rising sun...Charley Small..$25...

I have both of them already..{ rails to the rising sun and rails to the setting sun..}...

I paid $95 for the set back in pre digital days....a feller cannot have too many books.... I will send this one to a friend who needs it..

My point is , books are getting cheaper..bad for book publishers and possibly book authors.?...good for us..

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Hi Woodie :cb:

Yes, the bow-tie or 'double bow knot' as the map in the book calls it, at Mesa Junction, is pretty cool. :cool:

Forming a 'wierd wye', allowing trains to run directly between the 2 mountain terminals, of Tamalpais Tavern  :bg: & New Muir Inn :bg: (lotta pubs on this line !).



If you're still in need of 'refreshment' after the Tamalpais Tavern :bg: & New Muir Inn :bg: ...

... & not feeling 'a little woozey' from all the bow-knots & hairpins ... :Crazy:

... there's always Muir Inn :bg: & West Point Inn :bg: ...

... & Dipsea Inn :bg: (via the stage-road).

:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose: (watch out for the local mooses; they're "smarter than the average bear !"

Tally-ho & down we go !!!

GRAVITY ! :brill:

Cheers

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I've spent a bit of time on Mt. Tam and in Muir Woods and they are a glorious combination. I can only image the ride down.

One aspect worth consideration to do it proper justice is the vertical relief. Forget the vertical needed for Mt. Tam itself. The tallest tree in Muir Woods is 258 feet, or 5 feet 4.5 inches in O scale, almost 36 inches in HO, and a more manageable 19.35 in N scale. Yes, that would be an impressive display.

Thayer

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Yes, the MT&MWRR could be modeled in N scale very nicely. With curves of 75 feet and Shays, it's a natural. Atlas' little N scale Shays would be perfect and I'll bet somewhere on the "net", one can find reasonable N scale 3D printing "tourist cars". While I love my chosen scale, N would work for an impressive layout. Now, just figure out how to make the gravity cars.

Woodie

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A nice ol' pic. of the 'double bow knot loop'.



I think the stats. are...

...the start & finish of this twisty track, were 800ft apart...

...elevation gain 130ft.

( don't quote me on that ! )

Not sure how much track was needed to do this...

...quite a bit for sure though !

Cheers.

Si.

Hold on to your hats on the way down !!!

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thtroll wrote:
Found this on Youtube,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpI7ZBuB9GA


Says not available but...try this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJg-Zzd589Q

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The Tavern at the top.

What a crazy arch !

Main meal & mountain air...

...+ " A little liquid refreshment Sir ? "

Cheers.

Si. :java::P

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Clean & Green !

Looks pretty steep on this section of track.

Zoom in to see the hillside picnicers choking on Shay smoke !!!

Si.

:moose:

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No smoke..., gulp, tchee - we're British!

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NO SMOKING ! ...

... 'cept ceeeeeeeegars gentlemen.

Thank you.



Hi-Res.

N I C E  locy !

Si. :P


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Just for a little background, this may have been the inspiration for the Mt. Tamilpais line: http://www.berkshistory.org/gallery/mount-penn-gravity-railroad/

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It's either a Plane or Train ... to the summit of Mt. Tam !



:)

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I mentioned this once and will again...The MP&MWRR had some tight curves (and grades). There was a 70' radius-SEVENTY FEET- which handled 65 ton standard gauge Shays and 40 foot tourist cars. In 1:48 (O scale) that is 17"-SEVENTEEN INCH RADIUS. Now, what is all that about "curves too small" jabber we hear?

BTW-they also used an old San Francisco cable car on standard gauge trucks as a "passenger" car.

Now...where are those nitpickers?
Woodie

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they also used an old San Francisco cable car on standard gauge trucks as a "passenger" car.

You sinner!!
Jose.

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This thread has had a technical problem.
So no further posts can be added at the present time.


'The Crookedest Railroad In The World' ... Pt. II ... may well follow soon !



:moose:



Si.



Hi Steven B.

Your story about the railroad & you was wonderful.

The last page of this thread had to be removed sadly...
...due to a technical problem.



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This thread is viewable & linkable to as normal.

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