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Some very nice photo's on this page:
http://railways.library.ualberta.ca/SidingsType-Photographs/

Especially take a look at the following photo's:
http://railways.library.ualberta.ca/Photos-11-7-1/
All the photo's in the "bridge" section.
http://railways.library.ualberta.ca/Photos-12-9-2/

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In the second link, are those wooden rails? I'd like to see an operating model of that. :)

Wood no produce electricity

Thanks for the link to the website, didn't even know this one existed. If I ever do Canadian Rockies modeling, this will be the first site I consult. It's also neat to look at because in the plains of Minnesota, the Canadian Pacific is king.

-James:java:

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James-a wooden/pole road is possible using r/c with onboard batteries. I have thought about it some, another idea that may sometime become reality. Just think "out of the tiny box" and you can do anything.

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Woodie comes to the defense of... wood as a ROW.

I see your point, R/C is possible, in fact it is very possible. Just don't get termites or your roadbed maintenance will go trough the roof:):moose:

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Actually BNSF still has way more ton/miles than Canadian Pacific in Minnesota, Even with their purchase of the DM&IR. BNSF hauls More Grain, More Coal and an extreme amount more of General freight and TTX....CP will never replace the DM&IR in my heart and Soul, I was BORN and Raised in PROCTOR, Home of the DM&IR and the Switching Yard was my Playground..The DM&IR had some of the Best Locomotive Mechanics in the WORLD...Even the Burlington Northerns Top Mechanics grudgingly admitted that the SD9 converion called the SDM was the Best locomotive of its time for the area and could get a heavy consist over the hump heading to allouez yard where 2 SD9's couldnt...THE CP scored huge in many ways when they purchased the DM&IR from USS...But the Local workers in Proctor wouldnt say they got the best end of the deal!L:

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DM&IR is a great railroad, no doubt. But I grew up in Glenwood, MN and the SOO Line (CP Rail) is what I remember. Not to underscore either the BNSF or the DM&IR's influence in the state. Indeed on grounds of track age, tonnage hauled, and in the case of the DM&IR, in the heritage of Minnesota, perhaps one or both railways deserve that title. But when it comes to personal opinion, CP Rail is what runs through my mind.

Of course we all have our favorites, and as I said, the DM&IR is a great railroad.

cheers,

James:2t:

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If you blow up the photo in the second link, you can see that the "rail" is made of two planks stood on edge. Ignore the section of track nearest the camera--it has to move across the ties to "throw" the switch. The photo will stand quite a bit of enlargement. Now, what holds the planks to the ties? What holds the "rail" in gauge? No sign of rebates cut into the ties. For that matter, what holds the two planks together--although they may just be face nailed? Considering that green wood must have been used, I wonder if this was an experiment that failed once the wood began to dry out and twist. Would be interesting to know. Anybody have bound volumes of Railway Age from back then? Should only take a few months to find it IF it was written up--but a lot of wiftier stuff got reported by companies or railroads looking for some "print".

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Hi Herb ,if you have a closer look,I think you will find the rails are are one plank(3 x 4 ?)with a flat bar pinned(1. 1/2 x 3/8 ?)to the top of the plank.You can see a height difference on the rail top near the trolley wheels and a shadow in the rail tops for the length of the rails,also there are round dots on the bar above the ties.I would assume these pins(bridge nails) go through to the ties to keep the guage. This was a common practice in Australia on wooden tramlines,especially on the outside rail on curves,or where very heavy loads were being carried(The last step before going to steel rail as a cost saving) Peter.:old dude:

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Looks like you are right. I convinced myself that the field edge of the iron was a separation mark in the wood. In that case, the curved wood must have been sawed. Can't picture a piece of wood that large being bent ( and staying bent) under the conditions certain when the pix was taken.

Thanks for the info, and the correction.

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OK, here's what MAY be an urban legend...way back when, out west in Wyoming or some other place, a railroad was built with wooden rails. Now, the builders thought that rawhide would last almost as long as steel and was cheap...just kill some buffalos...so they attached rawhide strips to the tops of the rails. This railroad got the name "Rawhide Central". Apparently the "experiment" ended when it became known that coyotes loved to chew the rawhide strips and that screwed up the line. Whether this is true or not, it COULD be a neat idea for a model...now, who makes scale model coyotes?
What does this have to do with Alberta Railways? Who knows but you know how threads kinda get sideways around here from time to time (almost always).

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Woody,

Musket Miniatures makes scale model coyotes. But it's H0 scale, so not big enough for you.
And I found these: http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/our-ranges/general-purpose-animals-carts-and-baggage/animals-collection-bcgpr011/
Also some coyotes there. The size/scale ??? is 28mm, I have no idea what that means.

I know you can model very quick, so show some pics! :bg:

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Anybody know what size 28MM is??? I am interested but for 18 Euros, I need to know how large they are!! And the puma (mountain lions) also.

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Slightly over an inch, about 1.1 inches in fact.

--James:java:

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I believe 28mm is about the same as 1/64" and is mainly a war-gamers scale.

I have bought a few card stock models listed as 28mm / 1:64.

This is a good site for different people related 28mm models and a site I have bought stuff from:

http://www.tin-soldier.com/index.html

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That reminds me of a dozen or so years ago when I tried out G/F scale using Locolinc radio control with batteries in the tender. If a train were to derail, it was sort of line the old Timex add said, it "takes a licking and keeps on ticking." Wooden rail wouldn't be a problem (except for the wood rotting in the Oregon rain.)

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28MM

At one time, before wargamers, the "scale" of military model figures was the height, (or scale) of the figure  from th bottom of the feet to the FOREHEAD of the figure. As I recall 35mm was the most common, I have heard of 28.

Now you want to know why the forehead, don't you?

Because so many of the military figures from the past wore ridiculous headgear (some still do--the British "Shako" [sp?]) this method eliminated guessing where the top of the head was.

This information dredged up from the Kephart cesspool of useless knowledge

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Woodie-

Isabard Kingdom Brunell, one of England's better engineers built an experimental subway system using vacuum to suck the cars along (honest). Leather was used to seal the pipe where the device attached to the car entered, because it was flexible, and available (cheap).

The rats loved it.

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From Alberta to rats :doh:

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The logging industry in Queensland (Australia) used wooden rails as well

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28mm is 1/56 scale.
40mm (I found that also somewhere) is 1/48 and 20mm is 1/90.

I didn't find any 1/32 scale wild animals, but I found a link to a website of someone who have many 1/32 animals. Maybe you could ask him where he get those Woodie.

This is the link: http://www.collectorsquest.com/collection/2777/plastic-animals-figures-1-32-scale

Herb: I didn't find any 1/32 rats either, so the vacuum system is not an option for Woodie :P.

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From the rats back to wooden rails. Some more info and cool pics here:
http://www.mendorailhistory.org/1_railroads/strap_rail.htm
http://www.mendorailhistory.org/1_railroads/pole_roads.htm

The loco's in the second link are very nice.

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Another good source for model animals, if you don't mind having a cheap plastic look to them, are in Fleet Supply, Runnings, and any other live stock/ animal feed/ country supply stores. In the toy section there is often a wide variety of plastic molded animals. In larger scales, these animals look decent. If you're really wanting to be sure they are to scale, look up what ever animal you wanted to include on the railway on wikipedia. most species of animal either have a head to tail measurement or in the case of larger animals a shoulder height. Convert those life size dimensions to scale dimensions and simply take a ruler with to the store.

I've done it a few times and have found success. Animals such as horses, cattle, sheep, pigs, and farm dogs are the most common, but in the case of more wild animals like deer, elk, coyotes, cougars; these animals can also be found on occasion. Rats, less common, but I'm certain I've seen those too.

The one downside, as I noted, is that these animals look a little too much like toys, but perhaps a repaint, or a spray dull-coat might make the animals look less plastic.

--James:java:

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"Isabard Kingdom Brunell, one of England's better engineers built an experimental subway system using vacuum to suck the cars along (honest)...."

As it never went into production,the whole thing did or did not suck?. Jose.

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" Military figures from the past wore ridiculous headgear (some still do--the British "

Yep ... 'Busby' come to mind; even tough SAS guys pass out due to the heat.


" Isabard Kingdom Brunell, one of England's better engineers "

You obviously didn't see what I made with my Meccano-Set; Xmas 1971.


" This information dredged up from the Kephart cesspool of useless knowledge "

Herb I have a similar quagmire of such information...

...Gotta dash ... My Busby is on fire !


Cheers

Si.


Nice links & pix. Alwin !

Keep 'em coming !

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You obviously didn't see what I made with my Meccano-Set; Xmas 1971.

Did the act ever get through Parliament to make that a national treasure?


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It has not much to do anymore with the Alberta Railways but I found 2 other interesting websites.

A dutch site of someone who build a climax and some other things. At the bottom of the page are some prototype photo's of wooden rails.
http://www.depuffendeschoorsteen.com/class-a-climax-vii/
The models this guy made are very nice. The other pages on this website contain some very interesting photo's also.

And another:
http://www.climaxlocomotives.com/articles/dheastin/
If you go to the homepage of this site you find info about climax locomotives.

Alwin

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Nice finds!. Jose.

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Great stuff!

That live steam Climax on the Dutch site is amazing. I watched one of the videos of it in operation and the sound is awesome. Unfortunately I could not find any info about the scale -- I'm guessing it's somewhere around 1/12th scale.

In a couple pics he has a figure in the engineer's position on the loco, it appears to be a replica of Quentin Tarantino.

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May I cite the builder:
" De afmeting van de machine is perfect voor de gebruikte schaal - 1:10 - der Climax."

The scale is 1:10

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" Did the act ever get through Parliament to make that a national treasure? "

Herb, the only thing that moves quickly in The House Of Commons...
...is the Scotch !

- - - - - - -

Ray...

...Exactly what I thought !

It's QUENTIN ! ... MR. BROWN !

" Sounds a bit like Mr. $4!& to me "

Si.

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