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 Posted: Thu Dec 12th, 2013 10:12 pm
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Considering that an average size for a nail head is one quarter inch in diameter, and an inch is just over .020" in 1/48, we are talking .005" holes here.

Not exactly very visible in O scale.

Measure the distance that a scale structure is likely to be viewed at, in scale feet.

Now find an old building where the nails are plainly visible up close, and back away that many real feet, and tell me what you see.

Oh--you are talking about nail holes, not nail heads?

Fair enough--but if the building has row after row of nail holes (which in reality would be close to the head size anyway), what's holding the siding on?

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 Posted: Thu Dec 12th, 2013 11:34 pm
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Uh...glue?

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I was just wondering (or wandering) WHAT IF instead of nail holes, nail heads could be represented with an Ultra Fine BEROL or PILOT brown marker...! That way, it would possibly look like a nail head and not a hole. Just a thought from the Gila Rim on a rainy Friday.

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 Posted: Fri Dec 13th, 2013 03:21 pm
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How about nail head decals??!?!??
Like rivets......
There ya go.....someone run with that idea!!!

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OK, using your computer, run off a page of evenly spaced brown (the right color of nail heads) dots. Get ahold of some clear decal paper and BAM! There you are. How bout' that?

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Super!!!
Now......let me get back to making nail holes er..uhh...nail heads....!!!
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Actually the last time this conversation came up on freerails or some other yahoo group site, I went to the older parts of town and found examples of nail head impressions in wood clapboard sidings. Mostly on garages. I took pictures at that time and also measured distances from the wall.

Even at 20 feet you could clearly make out what they were and the nails staining the paint, usually white.

Now of coarse I do not see distance as well as when I did 12 years ago.

mike :old dude:

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 Posted: Fri Dec 13th, 2013 07:06 pm
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Well on the few Lost Creek RR buildings that I have built I use a 0.5 black marker and just guess at the nail hole spacing as I go across the wall or whatever. I also have a rust coloured one just to make a difference. A bit like the guy who would have banged the nails in in the first place. Random and effective. I know they are there and some folks spot them when viewing the RR.
Nuff for me.
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"Even at 20 feet you could clearly make out what they were"

Exactly, Mike.

And 20 feet in 1/48 is 5"--and in H0 it's 2 3/4"

Do you consider those to be normal viewing distances?

I would guess that most people viewing a layout wouldn't get closer than a foot. And at that distance, other things are going to catch their eye--too wide window mutins (or, as in a recent discussion, too thick shingles).

If your modeling interest is in building scale model buildings, Chuck Doan style. then fine--do cracks in the paint, keyholes, bird dropping--the lot.

If you want to build a model railroad, you have to compromise--life is too short to spend time on things that can't be seen or noticed.

My opinion.

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 Posted: Sat Dec 14th, 2013 11:00 am
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Guys (and Gals),
These discussions are great. I really like to hear other modelers opinions and what they do for details such as these.

The bird-droppings comment made me laugh.

I made some birds (believe it or not) per a recent article I saw in a Model Railroader magazine.
They came out fairly well. (I will let you guys be the judge.)

I think that will be a new topic soon.

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