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 Posted: Thu Jan 23rd, 2014 07:31 pm
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Happier days at Pagosa Junction (formerly known as Gato) :





And as it is now after half+ a century of "progress" :





Thanks to James & Helmut for your ROW comments; I still can't find where thePagosa Springs line diverged from the 'Main'.

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Could have been here.
between the two green bushes, - maybe. The line was torn up in 1935, so after almost 80 yrs where there was continuous human activity, not much can be expected.



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I was wrong a few posts back, the branch to Pagosa Srprings in fact started at the wye you pointed out to the west of the bridge which runs over Cat Creek (Gato Creek if you prefer, technically the same name gato = cat). The line ran up Cat Creek from Pagosa Junction to Pagosa Springs, I can still see hints of the roadbed every few hundred feet. Also, at Pagosa Junction, there's evidence of two wyes which overlapped, presumably one was laid first, then torn up and moved slightly.

There's also the possibility of a branch extending about 4 miles east of Pagosa Junction, but the canyon in places is only about 100 foot wide, so that route likely wasn't preferred.



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 Posted: Fri Jan 24th, 2014 01:12 pm
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Have a look at this blog for all questions concerning the Pagosa branch.
Found it. Go to Pagosa Jctn. The yellow wye is part of the old grade up Cat Creek. This complies with the last photo ( scroll down ) in the blog.

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That's a great blog, too bad he hasn't posted in over 36 months. I ought to try and get in touch with him, he seems like a good source of narrow gauge info for my 1:20.3 layout.

What I'm liking bout Pagosa Junction is that it is a complete ghost town, with the closest house that's occupied being about 1/4 of a mile from the site, and a road goes right through the town. Apparently, there's no fences or signs telling people to stay away. That'll have to be a stop next time I'm in Southern Colorado. From the air and the pictures on the blog, Pagosa Junction appears to be what a bare bones town looked like; just enough facilities to keep people fed and the train filled with water.

Thanks for the link Helmut!

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Anyone got anything else wanting to be tracked down?(besides the wallet, keys, remote and everything else I'm usually looking for):bg:



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This is Southern Ute's tribesland....be careful with your scalp.

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James: We'll have to call you J-EagleEye-Train from now on ! You are 101% correct !!

I had never noticed the second Wye; nor where the Springs Branch diverted from the 'Main'.  Interesting track layout as the Branch runs off the Wye into the run-round loop at the Junction before joining the Eastbound 'Main'.

Was the Western tail end of your second Wye a 'dead-end' shunt or did it rejoin the West bound Main near the road & the river ?. Fascinating modelling possibilities.
I've been working on Pagosa Junction as inspiration for a possible model scenario for a couple of months but without these latest revelations - just shows the value of Freerails co-operation.
Also more abandoned cars here than I had first realised. The Internet has some great photos of the Pump House, which I am definitely going to model. I tried following your first suggested route around the Navajo Reservoir but it isn't the P Springs Branch.

Helmut :  Thanks for that map link; the red line looks like someone has already traced out the old ROW. I had assumed that the line entered P Springs from the West (alongside the main road) but it actually ran in from the South. That is some loop just south of Altura. I had already found the "Pagosa Blog" site, thanks.

James, if you ever visit there, there are some Internet comments about the Utes thereabouts not being overly welcoming to 'strangers'. 

My thanks to you both,

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(Pagosa Springs trackplan anyone ??  -- I've tried looking everywhere I can think of, to no avail).

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Which explains why the buildings haven't been kept up. Oh well, I guess you can't blame the Ute for not being excited about railroads, after all it isn't part of their history they'd like to remember.

That and I've lived alongside the Lakota for three years now, only moving yet again to attend college. I'm by no means an expert in native cultures, but I got to see bits of culture not normally witnessed outside of tribal lands and hence have gained a great level of respect and admiration for the Lakota as well as other tribes, Ute included. Ironically, the Lakota, the same tribe that produced leaders such as Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull, and Red Cloud are more peaceful and welcoming than the local white populations which I'm more used to. My friends in the Black Hills area are of course exceptions to this general observation; however I felt safer walking through Pine Ridge than in Rapid City.

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In the first Pagosa photo I posted (Happier Days...) there are a lot of cinders lying around on the ground. Looks like this might have been a popular or important place for raking out loco fireboxes/ashpans and rebuilding fires.


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Some member of the Sullenberger family has donated boxes full of memorabilia including track plans etc. of their operations there -A.T. was the man behind the branch's construction.



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