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 Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 06:33 pm
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I recently completed the Artitec Spoorpont Ferry model for use on my Monks Island Railway. I had been pursuing this kit for a considerable time and was pleased that Langley Model Works had it in stock (this is a very difficult kit to find). [BTW: Don't be 'put off' with ordering from vendors in the UK...they are wonderful and ship 'across the pond' quickly.]

Artitec kits (from Holland) are not intended for anything less than an experienced modeler. They are constructed of resin castings with lots of tiny brass bits. Artitec kits are advertised as being appropriate for OO and HO (1:76 and 1:87). Be warned that Artitec kits have instructions that are almost useless...with the builder left with figuring out where things are to be placed.

OK, so the kit is now complete (and looks great)...'time put on some 40' boxcars. Not so fast! The boxcars will pass through the safety lift gates/stanchions on either end UNTIL the door guide are reached...no more progress is possible...the stanchions are too narrow for the cars to pass. Additionally, a standard 40' boxcar BARELY passes by the wheel house cab (American cars, in addition to being wider, are higher than their European counterparts.

The point to all this is to be wary of using European kits with [larger] American rolling stock. While HO is 1:87 and OO is a bit larger (in scale), the actual cars are vastly different in size (ex: a UK van is much smaller than an American boxcar). Before you 'pony up' the funds to build a difficult, and expensive, kit, make sure your rolling stock will fit. BTW: I don't know how one can determine this beforehand - as no assistance is rendered by the manufacturer or seller.

Ray

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 Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 07:30 pm
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Howdy Ray, I would love to see some photos if possible.

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Same thing here, Ray.

Some pix would be great--not necessarily of the interference, but of the ferry model it's self


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It has been requested that I show some images of my Spoorpont Ferry model. Please understand that the model is not fully completed (or weathered). My comments are not meant to condem Artitec - nor their line of fine models. I am merely trying to point out some problems when 'mating' European models to American rolling stock.

In this first view, one can see the ferry with two American 40' cars on deck. I wanted to show how nicely this model 'fits the scene'.




Don't be fooled, while the cars seem to fit on the ferry's deck, they cannot fit through the end gates and stanchions. Here is a shot of those pesky end gates/stanchions:




For the next series of images I will remove any rolling stock and take the ferry out to our backyard harbor (which looks surprisingly like our glass-topped patio table). [BTW: With a different color underneath that glass really looks like a harbor surface.] This is how the ferry looks today (all hand rails are in place and the crew is aboard). Oh, speaking of handrails: They are very thin black thread...that requires the modeler to drill out (slightly) each tiny hole in the railing stanchions).




The crew seems to be in a state of readiness...must be coming into the slip.










Well, there you have it: an excellent model; that doesn't do the job. I have been advised, by my UK pen-pals, that modification of the wheel house would allow more clearance. I am not sure that is what I want to do. I may just order some vans and wagons from E. Hatton's and display it. As in all things, you never know. I do know that the Monks Island Railway 2.0 will require something better (as a ferry) than the extended Peco Loco-Lift it now uses.

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Very cool model, I don't see anything wrong with it. While I don't model waterfront scenes, I appreciate them. There were many small ferries, especialy in the southern US which could only haul one or maybe two cars across rivers. I had plans to build an operating one in O scale (On30) using a Tamiya tracked powered chassis which would be under water (dyed with brown ick)with the ferry on top and run in a slot (like a slot car) from one side of a river to the other. The problem was, and still is, the water. Too much needed, too heavy, too nasty (critters and fungus), and to represent a wide enough river it would take 5 to 6 feet or more. The best laid plans of model railroaders and mice...

Woodie-oh yes, the ferry would be r/c...



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Ironically, the worst-looking thing to represent water in scale is ... water. Jose.



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 Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2014 02:26 am
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I know...that's another thing that killed my plans...unrealistic water.

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 Posted: Sat May 24th, 2014 02:53 pm
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I think Woodie has hit on yet another problem with expanses of water...they tend to be unrealisitc. Some time ago I visited a fellow hobbyist's layout wherein he had a very nice harbor scene. The 'water' looked OK - and was certainly superior to anything I had attempted. My host's comment was [sic]; "The amount of effort, involved with the water, was not worth the trouble. Furthermore, it is almost impossible to keep dust free!" Hmmm, when was the last time you saw dusty water in a real harbor?

Many modelers ('modellers' for you European readers) in the UK use 'wavy' lucite shower door 'glass' as the 'water' in their larger expanses. I had filed that tidbit away and, after re-viewing the pictures above, am thinking they may be onto something. While my ferry pictures were taken outside on our patio table (smooth side up), there is a striking resemblence to water with the 'rippled' glass. One could use the 'smooth side' of the glass up for ease of cleaning; or turn it over ('ripple side' up) to show water surface definition. Furthermore, you could cut the lucite to fit the hull of whatever watercraft was present and the 'waves' would accentuate the idea that the hull was immersed within the medium. Really all that seems needed is an appropriate, painted surface under the lucite. This is something else for yours truly to ponder whist building the Monks Island Railway 2.0 (another 'gem' gleaned from the pages of Railway Modelling magazine...my all time favorite).

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