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Tracing the Midland Terminal to Cripple Creek
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 Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2014 07:26 pm
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Helmut: I sometimes have a beer in Beer, not far from our place.

Meanwhile James, keep us posted on your researches.          Regards    Michael

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 Posted: Thu Nov 20th, 2014 07:27 am
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What you describe  matches exactly this. So I think some authors have mistaken the 'Golden Circle' as Gold Loop.
When scrolling down here to the F&CC /Golden Circle, one reads that the GC was even standard-gauged for the last two years of its operation.

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That's a great find Helmut! Making the line standard gauge signals to me that the Gold Loop, Gold Circle, was then operating with the Midland Terminal. And it makes sense, because by that time the Midland was the last connection to the outside world. What makes it more confusing is that all the 3ft gauge track was considered the "Gold Belt"

So then, Gold Loop and Gold Circle refer specifically to the spin-off railway that made it until the early 20's. Gold Belt refers to the F&CC combined with the Gold Loop and all other 3ft gauge trackage.

Again, great find. Even a couple paragraphs provide plenty of information.

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 Posted: Thu Nov 20th, 2014 11:45 pm
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That is an excellent Internet link, thanks Helmut. Fascinating stuff you are finding James, really interesting & informative. So much to learn, so little time !.

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Okay guys, here's a much needed update:

As you may know from another thread, I recently went to Cripple Creek, Colorado to learn more about the Midland Terminal's route and get a fresh look at the lay of the land.

Below is the Cripple Creek Depot in modern day:



It's the only three story depot I've seen, with the lower level being where passengers would enter from the street, and would board the train on the second story. The Depot manager and his family would live on the 3rd story.

It's part of the local museum and is open in the summer.





These two cars I believe were owned by the Midland Terminal. Both are coaches, the first being used by the city of Cripple Creek as an information center. The other is abandoned on private property north of Victor and near the ghost town if Gillett.



This photo was taken at the Teresa Mine which overlooks the old gold camps. The red I marked to be possible railroad grades. The one furthest in the background is quite possibly the Florence and Cripple Creek grade.



This final photo was taken from the parking garage of the Double Eagle Casino and I think shows where the traction line terminated. The line terinated on the big flat, level ground on the left side of the photo. In the day, this area would have had several sheds, a machine shop, a station, and a sub-station for electricity.

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 Posted: Tue Feb 3rd, 2015 09:19 pm
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Hello James,

Now back home. Colorado Midland loco whistle photos as promised. No luck yet with further enquiries but your patience might be rewarded (perhaps !). Sorry photos are at 90 deg but only way I could take them close up.











All photos by Salada Jan 2015 courtesy of Tehachapi Depot Museum, CA, US.

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 Posted: Thu Feb 12th, 2015 03:12 am
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Thanks for the photos Michael, that whistle is a beauty!

Anyway, I promised an update, so here it is:

You can find all the photos I ran across in this post:
http://jjwtrains.blogspot.com/2015/02/a-look-at-midland.html

Since my blog has this thing that blows photos into a very large size on this forum, I can only post the vertically aligned photos without editing:





These photos were taken from the old ROW. I never trespass knowingly, and I don't normally go hiking into the brush very far from the road. But in this instance, the ROW appeared to be in the modern road's right of way. Seriously, this was about 50 feet up a cliff, but less than 100 from a pull-off. There was a fence further up the hill, so I assumed that was the start of private property.

However it was a bit of a climb to get to the ROW so I don't recommend trying to see this in person. I think it can be said this would be a great bike trail some day if the city of Colorado Springs wanted to make one.

I was standing on a fill between two solid rock tunnels that was obviously the ROW, no question in my mind. Additionally, headed up the valley from Colorado Springs, I could make out where additional tunnels were, and several more fills. this really is the big piece of the puzzle that was missing because I couldn't see it from Google Earth. The only bad news is that due to traffic, no shoulders, and relative high speed, I couldn't take pictures anywhere else but at that spot.

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For those interested in the Colorado Springs and Cripple Creek Railroad, here's link to a quick blog post I made. The photos show the shelf ROW by Cheyenne Mountain and the Seven Sister's Falls. It was great to drive it, but if in a car, I'd recommend this in the summer only. Good thing I had 4WD!

Here's the link:

http://jjwtrains.blogspot.com/2015/02/and-look-at-colorado-springs-and.html

Would make a great winter scene wouldn't it?

Thanks for visiting!

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Hello James,

I have now completed the research into the loco steam whistle with the "bird" emblem (see previous photos in this thread).

The whistle is from Midland Terminal Rly Loco No 59 which was originally numbered No 6 & named "D.R.C. Brown", see photo :

Photo 1 :





- note the first car is a D&RGW boxcar.


No 59 was built by Schenectady as their Works No 4741 in April 1898.

Supplied (apparently new) to the MTRly, originally numbered No 6, later renumbered to No 206, then to No 46 & finally to their No 59.
Last revenue run Feb 6th 1949.
Scrapped 1949.

The "bird" emblem remains a mystery. It is not visible in the photo below :

Photo 2 : Said to be a close-up of Loco No 59 :





Nor was the "bird" present when the whistle was originally preserved, or maybe it was removed for cleaning/overhauling the whistle ? - as shown below :

Photo 3 : The whistle some time after No 59 was scrapped :




According to another research contact some people claim to have seen other Midland Terminal loco whistles fitted with a similar "bird", whilst others say they were not fitted. The truth is uncertain.

Finally, a rough dimension drawing of the whistle, interestingly NOT showing the "bird" :

Photo 4 : Undated & unascribed drawing of the same, or similar whistle :






Photos by Salada from a photocopy of the Museum Index Card.

Original Copyright possibly by Kindig Photo.

Current Copyright by Tehachapi (CA) Depot Museum whom I thank for their help.


Regards    Michael
 

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