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Tracing the Midland Terminal to Cripple Creek
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 Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2014 10:39 am
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James - the CS&CCDR (yellow line on your map) seems to have a very circuitous route & possibly steep grades -- was it SG or NG. I've never heard of that line before.

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Just a-tongue-in-cheek interjection: <cit #8> " This RR closed down in 1921 and some track was likely absorbed into the Midland Terminal." As the MT was SG, guess what...:P



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 Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2014 03:30 pm
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Yes Michael, as I understand it the Colorado Springs and Cripple Creek (yellow) railroad was standard gauge. Keep in mind that the big ball of track between Cripple creek and Victor is about 3 miles wide as the crow flies. So the turns are still quite large. Grades were probably in the area of 4%. Unfortunately, this mountain has now become a valley as a large pit mine has absorbed much of the ROW. Since the MT was around the outside, the grade is still visible in several places. In fact, a 2ft gauge tourist railroad runs over 2.5 miles of the old MT.

The electric line was also standard gauge (blue). Only the Florence and Cripple Creek was 3 foot gauge.

There also were several tiny tramways not shown on the map that would collect ore from 2-3 mines owned by one company and dump the ore into sorted bins. These had gauges from 12" to 28". That said, they weren't a full-blown railroad, just short tramway with less than a 1/2 mile of track (on the surface). Below ground, there were many systems of trams. Some were horse drawn, others were electric, others were compressed air.

Still doing more research. If I had space/time/money, I'd like to do a short section of the MT in F standard gauge. But that would take a lot of money, time, and space.

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 Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2014 03:53 pm
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Sounds like it was a really intensive RR & mining area James - pity it has been obliterated by modern "mining".

Ah, you see Helmut, -- not being a retired fizzywhatsit (physicist) like yourself I tend to overlook the really obvious clues.

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Michael, here's a reference. That big patch of bare land is the current pit mine.



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You mention the 'Gold Loop RR'. I remember a 3' gauge 'Golden Circle RR' being mentioned in all publications I've read about the area. Is this a mixup maybe?

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'fizzy' was the stuff we abhorred, preferred to have a decent pint of Bitter filled up to the mark in our pub!

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Hi James, where are they trying to dig to - Australia ??    Regards,  Michael


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I would assume to the bottom of the gold vein, or until it gets too hot!

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I read in one the sources I've listed that the Gold Loop Railroad was a very short, 3ft gauge line that operated under the Florence and Cripple Creek. It ran for a few years after the FCC was bankrupt, but I don't think it made too far into the 30's.

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Excuses for going slightly OT
@Michael
In earlier days I used PECO track for my 00 GW layout. As PECO and BEER have a strong relationship, this may have conditioned some synaptic connections....
( I didn't want to post that in the runestone thread, as to me it seems the TO is a bit adamant to unauthorised extensions of the story )



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