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 Posted: Mon Dec 1st, 2014 02:47 pm
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Some photos of old style, bottom discharge hopper coal wagons from the former NER in northeast England.

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Points of interest in the above:

1) the horizontal handle just above rail level is the brake lever, which in this case only operates on the nearest RHS wheel (slightly unusual for this class of wagon).
2) One of the hopper doors can be seen hanging down just left of the brake pivot rod.
3) The 2 grey steel plates either side of the rusty vertical strapping are known as "batter plates" - if the coal won't discharge (wet, ice etc.) you knock hell out of these plates with a long handled hammer - usually works after a while !.


Photo 2: (ABOVE ! something has gone wrong with the FR photo operator (me)).

Close up end view of a typical period English freight wagon. (coal only in this case).

1) The standard "3 Link" coupling, the lowest link is slung over the hook of the next wagon - looks easy ? - you try it on a cold, wet, slippery day !.

2) "Look, NO buckeyes !". We use sprung "buffers" to absorb the over-run or when propelling rather than pulling.

3) What is the hole for, above the buffer beam ? Anyone ?
I ain't telling till someone replies !.

4) Note the hanging footsteps left & right of the buffers. There are several reasons for these - to reach over the end sheet to poke the coal down; to ride on if braking by standing on the brake lever whilst in motion; & maybe something related to 3) above.

5) Though nominally a "10 tonner" someone has added "greedy boards" to the tops of the body sides to squeeze in another 1.8 - 2.0 tons or so. These ex - main line wagons were often 'cascaded' down to smaller, private colliery rail systems who loved doing this sort of thing.


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Underview of a similar but larger wagon.

1) The nearest 2 bottom doors are open but the furthest LHS  door is shut (with the 'J' shaped iron across it).

2) Looking at the RHS wheel, this wagon has "clasp" brakes, fairly unusual for older UK freight wagons, but it still only has brakes on one side.


Regards       Michael

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 Posted: Mon Dec 1st, 2014 09:17 pm
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What is the hole for, above the buffer beam ? Anyone ?

To shovel the ashes out, after the coal is done burning !  

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 Posted: Mon Dec 1st, 2014 09:43 pm
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I thought it was to check to see if the wagon was full.L::us:

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 Posted: Tue Dec 2nd, 2014 02:49 pm
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Anyone else, other than the Freerails Staff Comedians ?

I forgot to mention, All above Photos by Salada.

Regards,                        Michael

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To  put a hoe into, to push residual coal from flat parts of floor which are not uncovered by drop down doors?

Please note Sir, that sometime  a little over a hundred years ago, we Colonials were building self-cleaning hoppers.

Shame that that car isn't painted up with the name of a coal company, as some were back in the day. Kind of made a sow's purse out of a pink ear. Suppose that was the closest the UK RR's came to our ''billboard'' reefers.

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Hmm, well I'm guessing it's not a mouse hole. :)



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Herb Kephart wrote:
Please note Sir, that.. we Colonials were building self-cleaning hoppers.

Which those Lymies did, too. Looked like the ordinary 7-plank. Only  they didn't make such a big fuss about it.



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Hi Michael.

Thanks for shareing your bottom fallout with us.

:doh: Si.



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 Posted: Wed Dec 3rd, 2014 02:05 pm
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I guess we all want to know what the hole is for.

Question: how many doors has this car? On the first photo I would say 4 doors (2 on each side) between the axles. On the last photo it looks like there are also doors on the outside of the axles.
Is the car in the last photo of a different type?

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Well here's one of the Aussie equivalents for about 10 tons capacity

This one has a hopper that can be lifted out so that it can be swung out over the ships hold for unloading. This design dates from the 1860's

and another

This one had the hopper attached to the frames It was designed for unloading from fixed staithes that dropped the coal into the ships hold using chutes. this design dates from the 1880's

and another foxed hopper design from the 1880's


and a current bottom dumper from a late 1980's design

with a 77 tons of coal on board.

And they are all self-cleaning :P

Amazing what difference a century of mining transport progress makes :bg:



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