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Some years ago, I bought three grass mats by Mini-Natur. These are better than average quality and look like long fibres but they are mats, unfortuantely I have no idea how to use them.

I guess that you can just unroll them, cut them to kit and Bob's your uncle, that might be OK  but it would look rather uniform.

Anyone with some knowledge in using top class products such as Mini Nature?

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Cut or tear them to smaller pieces glue them in place and hide the edges with some fine turf or fibers..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOTeWI5n-3o

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You are correct in surmising that using the whole mat would look too regular.
Variation is the key, cut the mat up into small irregular pieces and glue in place with other scenic materials, dirt, gravel, ground foam...

Have a read of Milocomarty's pinned thread on greenery, it is a wonderful treatise on ground cover.

Here are a couple of shots of my attempts, please note this is Z scale, each of these areas is approximately 2" x 2"



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Martin beat me to it!!!!

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Martin et al,

Amazing, I found exactly the same clip from Dave Frary, I will definitely be giving the ideas a try.

I progressed from dyed lint to static grass without stopping at grass mats hence they were outside my comfort zone however having seen the you tube clip, I will be making full use of the grass mats.

Thanks to everyone.

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Tim. I do combine these techniques. Use static grass along mats and other stuff. Mats are great for areas you can't reach with the grasmaster..

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Hallo Martin,

Thank you, I am busy using the holiday to start building the scenery for Pottendorf - the little scene below is just the tip of the iceberg.

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You chaps make it look so easy....
I scored some fake grass to use and I went to incredible lengths spraying it with a sort of "Grassy Camoflage" pattern and it looked really very real..... Even bought the special spray paint for plastics...... Lasted about a month before rain somehow washed it off.... Now it looks all one colour and too uniform so I'll go along with that and part of the scenery will be a man spreading fertiliser and I'll have sprinkler heads.....

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I still like my lint, when I can get it
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Never worked with lint so I can't tell..

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It was what I was brought up on, Martin. When I was 14 at the local club, the old boys used it and it was a revelation to me. I've used it ever since, but it's getting more difficult to find. You have to go to pharmaceutical suppliers for it.
There is a section of British scenic people who stick it fur down then rip off the backing!
Crazy waste of time and material. Stick it cloth side down, that way you don't lose any fur. Colour it with matt enamel or emulsion paints, then tease it all up with a suede brush when the paint's set. For larger areas the old boys used to dye it, but I can't be messing with al that faff when there's always paint around. You can trim it with an old electric shaver or scissors, or you can flatten it into sheep runs and footpaths with a model car wheel on a stick.
I like the way it can be combed over the edges of paths and roads. Matt varnish or cheap hairspray will fix it, but I've never bothered with that and it's stayed fine. That sea wall scene above was the work of an evening and was done 20-odd years ago.

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Martin, not that long in modeling, in the 5th year right now. So I don't have seen lint, and brought up with a grassmaster..yeah then you know..Although I have seen a couple of good looking layouts using faj=ke fur and so on the Warley show I personaly think that the use of a grassmaster gives a more natural feel (proper used) combined in the hard to reach areas with grassmats and these tree stuff Silflor / Mininatur has..

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Oh, it's certainly effective. Your moorland areas are quite stunning.
I have a bug bat to try converting. No way I'd spend all that on a Grassmaster! I guess that's the result of my having spent rather more than 5 years in the hobby! It's made me a tight wad. Fake fur is something I also used a LONG time ago and was never quite happy with it.

The Holy Grail is still stinging nettles...and no, I ain't about to cut paper leaves with a knife!

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Stinging nettles explain ?

Don't expect from anyone to buy a grasmaster right away, thing ain't cheap if you want a decent one. But on the other hand, seen to many people when demonstrating static grass saying that's way to expencive, walk on to the next shop owner and walk away with 3 large Mininatur mats worth 225 euros or the next train for 400...it's all about choices..

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Stinging nettles...you must have them in Holland!
I'd send you a picture, but it keeps saying it's too big even after halving its size.

I would never spend those amounts on anything to do with model railways, Martin, so bug bat it'll have to be.
I don't spend, I make.

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Martin,

These are stinging nettles, they hurt if you touch them:



They are not impossible to replicate, just time-consuming.

Can you explain how you created the lush foliage beside the track, thank you.

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I couldn't send that very picture!
That's the kind of time-consuming that is effectively impossible by hand.
Guess I'll have to wait for the laser guys to do them.

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Martin I do believe anyone has to do what he want to also in what they want to spend on MRR..

Didn't Gordon Gravett show nettles in his latest book about grasslands..shall see if I can find it back..

Tim, this lush foliage was created with somekinda filter material called Wooly / Decotwister, cut in small pieces glued on the layout and sprinkled with fine turf or scatter material..

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Martin,
yes, Gordon did indeed do nettles in that book (I got it for Christmas) and they were woefully unsatisfactory. They actually looked nothing like nettles. They could have been anything at all, really. Just tall (ish) plants of a greenish colour. Not good enough for such a common, but distinctive plant.

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What scale do you like to model them ? Never tried it but I would like to give it a try..

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I model in 7mm scale, Martin
Mainly because I have made dozens of model car masters in that scale, so it's nice to include models from my masters on a layout.

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Ok, 1:43 or 48 wouldn't make much difference, I'll give it a shot...

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It's the number of leaves per plant and those spiky edges to the leaves that set them apart visually and difficulty-wise, but good luck.

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Milocomarty wrote: Stinging nettles explain ?




The plant needs to be twisted into shape and painted but it looks likes nettles in spring (no flowers until summer) Unfortunately I need to plant another ten plants for the full effect.

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Hmmm...no spikes and would be a lot of work to give the photo-etched leaves any convincing curl and final position.
But promising in sufficient number, perhaps.

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It should be noted that building a layout to a set of personal standards is all that really matters and in this case, the nettles share the same leaf profile as the real plants, they merely need a small amount of work (as mentioned) to complete the job.

They are not etched but are diecut paper that has been formed around a taper and stuck in place.

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They would be so much better if they were MUCH thinner.
I have some fern leaves that are 1 1/2 thou. thick.
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Paper explains it. There are what look like viable thin leaves on the bush behind which look more likely to give results. Are they proprietary, Tim?

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Milocomarty wrote:

Tim, this lush foliage was created with somekinda filter material called Wooly / Decotwister, cut in small pieces glued on the layout and sprinkled with fine turf or scatter material..


Hi,

Please, tell me more about this stuff, I cannot find it online.

Thanks

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I think Gordon has a chapter on this stuff in his Grasslands book. He calls it postiche. Like false hair.

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It's not postiche, wich is indeed artificial hair..wooly / decotwister is used in the florist world as a decoration material. You could use gardenpond filter fibers too but then you have to spraypaint them..

https://www.bissfloral.nl/shop/381-wooly-bruin-per-125-gram.html

gardenpond stuff

http://www.aquariaveldhuis.nl/index.php?categoryID=636&merk=VT%20HUISMERK&merkID=120&nop=1

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Hanging basket liner is a good alternative and very cheap.

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I think you can get the same stuff from a material shop for making pillows or craft. stuff for filter ponds might be a little bit more pricey as it has to be chemical/bleaching free and non-contaminated.


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