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 Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2015 01:38 am
   
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Cool project Si! Will be fun to watch your progress.



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 Posted: Fri Apr 10th, 2015 09:47 pm
   
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Hi Ray.

Thanks for dropping by at Mysterious Moose Mountain !

Ma's chilli-beans at the hotel, are the best in the south-west, so they say.

Havin' said that, who's gonna argue with a proprietor who packs a Peacemaker in her pantry !!

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Si. :java::mex:

(she mostly does her killin' with the coffee these days though !)




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 Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2015 06:53 pm
   
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Hello Si,

Like The Man says, it don't have to have a cab - see below for inspiration :







Copyright :  Denver Library digital collection.


Cheers,                   Michael




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 Posted: Sun Apr 12th, 2015 09:10 pm
   
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Hi Michael.

That's a great photo...
...I'm pleased Mysterious Moose Mountain didn't get a WRECK this time !

Inspired by Herb & yourself; Topless could be the way forward.
Googled topless, but didn't get any good loco pictures...
...I'll leave the photo research to you Michael !

I've probably gone cross-eyed from Google research; but...
...where's the locies fuel ? ... Is it an oil burner ?

Cheers.

Si.



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 Posted: Sun Apr 12th, 2015 10:22 pm
   
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I like topless...

Must be a short run, and pick up fuel (coal?) every trip?



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 Posted: Mon Apr 13th, 2015 05:19 pm
   
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Hello Si,

Best leave the Google "topless" research to me; your business is bricklaying at the MM locoshed.

OK. The photo above is not an oiler, she's burning the proper stuff - fairly hard coal by the looks of the stack, rather than bituminous.

Mainly 4 possibilities for firing :

1) As Ken suggested, on short runs she will fired from a trackside dump at either/both ends of the run. I don't know her grate size but you'll get at least 20-30 minutes steaming from a good small fire. There used to be a small, raised trackside coaling timber platform on the Manchester Ship Canal/Trafford Park rail system ....... I've got a photo of it ...... somewhere !.

2) A small amount of coal is stacked on the footplate, either side of the firehole door. Eneough for 1 or 2 short trips. On the photo above, just inboard of the timber planking "sidesheets" & forward towards the boiler backhead.

3) On sidetanks, rather than saddletanks, there was often a small, shallow 'coal-box' where the firebox/boiler sheets joined the side tanks.

4) For longer runs an old, small capacity coal wagon would be attached immediately behind the loco. The front planking of the wagon would be removed, effectively turning an otherwise condemned wagon into a makeshift tender (particularly common in Scotland) (Did I say 'penny-pinching Scots ?).

Photo below might give you some ideas (it has also been in an accident !!) :






-- look at the cab rear 1/2 sheet !!

On the above loco, although it is a saddle tank, the tank is shorter than the boiler/firebox. There may be a small coal 'box' extending from just ahead of the Number 5 to the tip of the shunting hook held by the chap in the middle (immediately below & both sides of the steam dome).

Of no use to you at the moment but about a year ago I saw a photo of a cabless Shay or Climax but can I remember where I saw it ? .... can I ---- !.

Photo Copyright N/K, found on Shildon website (public domain).

Cheers,                       Michael

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 Posted: Mon Apr 13th, 2015 07:01 pm
   
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OK Si, you owe me 1/2 an evening's modelling time !. I cannot (re)find that cabless Shay/Climax photo anywhere's yet,  BUT :









A small amount of coal would probably be kept inboard of these cab side 1/2 sheets.

Some "open cab" locos were completely open, as in the damaged shunter photo above. Some had a less than full height 'spectacle plate' cab front sheet - sometimes with 2 round porthole windows. Some were as above - a 'spectacle plate' type but extended higher up & with the cab front sheet partly extended over the footplate.

Photos by Salada.

Cheers,                                 Michael

(that's 1/2 evening at mega $$$$$ an hour !!)

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 Posted: Tue Apr 14th, 2015 08:15 am
   
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Hi Michael.

Thanks very much for the pix...
...& great tech-info on the 'operations' side of things.

The last loco is pretty spiffy...
...looks like she hasn't been crashed or wrecked yet either !

I got the 0-4-2 Porter thinking I might need the rear wheels & bunker...
...but my intention was/is probably to cut them off.

The info on small fuel loads is good to know...
...since my Porter is 'for the yard'...
...it gives me a nice little thing to model, like fuel/coal/log pile, & maybe small water tower.

I had also considered a clunky 'backwoods' style tender...
...bit like your 'retired' (wrecked) coal wagon idea.
The American Land & Lumber Co. had a Porter with a tender...
...SO THERE !
(some say Porters NEVER had tenders, I beleive)

Michael, I've seen the cabless Shay ! ...
...Silver City (Woodies world) ran one...
...& have a nice model pic. or two.

Just got some alternative couplings for the Porter as a test...
...more on that later.

If anyone else has any cool 'topless' photos...
...feel free to share the 'open air' with the Mysterious Moose Mountain director of motive power.

Cheers.

Si.

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 Posted: Tue Apr 14th, 2015 08:20 am
   
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C.A.D work at Mysterious Moose Mountain...



...Cardboard Aided Design !

:moose::brill::moose:

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 Posted: Wed Apr 15th, 2015 05:42 am
   
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' The Man '



Builders Plate - Photo Sean Lambe



Built by Smith & Porter 1870



Dump cars & Porter

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