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 Posted: Sat May 23rd, 2015 11:37 am
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Hi Michael. :wave:

A South-West RAILROAD BARON in the making ! :cb:

Thanks for not confusing me, by drawing your trackplan in 'Insanetimetres' ! :Crazy:

When the boys from Brussels drop by, for a Chavez-check on your 'standards'...
...if an assault on the new 'Salada Line' defensive fenceing is successful...
...the Imperial Rose Garden should shred & entangle their 5000-Euro suits...
...long enough for Mrs.S. & yourself to apply the tar & feathers !!
( I hope it doesn't come to that; but it doesn't pay to be unprepared ! ) :Salute:

Well...
...you saw my El-Crapo trackplan recently ! :dope:
( it was VERY experimental though )

I think you have a pretty good space to work with...
...although however much space we have; there is ALWAYS the temptation to 'cram' just a little bit more in.

I think a well thought out scenic-treatment, is a MUST, around the trackage.
Knowing the 'footprint' of structures before laying rails, is SO worth it.
I figure you're on to this though; since you have some structure models already.

I confess !
YES it's true ... I am a cardboard-hoarder !
Nothing like a bit of C.A.D work; to iron out any Euro-standard problems !

You could hire :brill: to help out with general-theories...
...just watch out he doesn't try and sucker you with a cosmological-constant though !!

I know this wouldn't make switching cars from high to low lines 'at' the Depot possible...
...but I almost wonder if you should put the linking 'switchback' on the other side of the room.
This way, you could gain a more impressive height, behind the Depot.

I think 'vertical scenery' is sometimes pretty good on shelf layouts.
Might give the tunnel & a bridge ? more (vertical space ?) seperation from the low-level.
If you did that...
...you might even be able to add 1 extra spur on the top-side of the passing loop.
Could be good for more ops. ??

??

All the best.

Cheers.

Si.

:moose:

P.S. Mrs.Saladas perfume collection looks fairly impressive...
...on the left, is that the Coco Chanel 'Essence Of Diesel & Steam Footplate' fragrance ?



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 Posted: Sun May 24th, 2015 05:57 pm
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I like the first design Si. :2t:



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We are now back home at the ranch again (briefly) so my Thanks to Si (great suggestions) & Daniel.

Strangely eneough I had been toying with an under/overbridge idea as a a scenic feature.

Si, your  "rear wall" ideas would be excellent IF I had the space but the rear wall shelf will have to be really narrow (non scenicked) as it has to pass behind the lathe/vertical mill/workshop tool store etc.  and filing cabinets etc.

Also, as you so correctly say, there must be room for the scenery. That is the problem at the Chavez Junction depot area - too many tracks on a baseboard only 24" wide can make it look too toy-like IMO. I already have the boards for that area but I am thinking of maybe having to widen the main depot area to 30".

Buildings' footprints are fairly large in O scale. I have tried "narrowing/shortening" some mockups of real buildings but beyond a certain size reduction they just don't look realistic.

Meanwhile I have a domestic kitchen to start rebuilding ............... in 1:1 Scale.


Regards     Michael     (I'm glad somebody else also hoards tons of cardboard !.)

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Michael,

That's a great design. Keeping the trackage light and the scenery interesting is a lot more fun than the opposite. And, basing models on a prototype, but ultimately freelancing the railroad is a very common way to have fun with trains.

Good luck and I'm sure Russ is flattered for giving us credit, I know I am and I appreciate it. But truth be told, you did the work Michael. We only helped, or attempted to, or something like that.

--James:java:

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Hi Michael

Why not just do away with the raised level/extra line all together as like you said that is a lot of track for a 2ft wide layout. I assume your modelling 3ft gauge type locos and rolling stock. I'm modelling 2ft gauge so all my locos and rolling stock are slim 6-7ft wide (though I am still using peco track) and I have really struggled trying to get the scenery in which is properly why I have changed my layout around so many times as my railroad is only 2ft in depth (another 3-6 inches on my rail road would have gone a long way- oh well may be next time).
I like the or your idea of a pusher/helper train, may be with the extra space (doing away with the raised level/ extra line) you could have a spare siding to stage a pusher loco that could connect to the rear of the train when on the loop, push the train out of site into the rear staging and then return again.

Just a thought..

Cheers Dan

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Hello James,

I agree with you about basing a model on a given prototype if possible.

The history of Pagosa Junction turned out to be really interesting, a proper small town in fact (school, hotel, eating places, church, dance hall etc. etc.) (all completely vanished).
Even a coal mine, as a result of finding coal as they graded the branch. The branch was laid out & graded to SG standards, possibly as part of an ambitious new route to reduce the mileage to Denver. Fascinating story.

I finally managed to fairly accurately condense the whole track plan into the space available but ...... you know the rest, it just wasn't suitable as an enjoyable model. And only one short train a day, each way, on the branch.

This thing about balancing the aesthetically "correct" ratio of track to scenery is currently bugging me !.

Regards,    Michael

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Hello Dan,

Yes, I am modelling 3' gauge D&RGW (but in On30, <£ !) so sufficient space is a must, especially with larger locos & decent train lengths.

I like watching large locos/heavy trains go rumbling past on an alternative 2nd  route while I'm doing something else - either switching team tracks, playing guitar or dealing with business paperwork (yuk). That is the whole idea of the raised rear track as a depot/junction avoiding route and scenic feature.

Omitting it would free up more 'depot' space but every train would have to follow the same route all the time - there would be no Junction. Gotta have some variety. Gotta have a junction or I'll have to re-letter some of the buildings !. 

Interesting that you mentioned wishing you had added an extra few inches to your 24" width - my Residential Director has already sanctioned an extra 6" (in a manner of speaking !!) to give a main board width of 30" - way to go I think 'cos I'm only going to build it ONCE so it had better be right.

As I think I mentioned before, you manage to make that Peco track look really good. Scenery ain't bad either (damn good in fact).

Cheers,               Michael

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