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 Posted: Mon Dec 7th, 2015 10:35 pm
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Hi again Dan,

The rail bender - sorry, only available from Berndt, Herb or myself !.

They both posted the same idea here on FR on separate occasions. Out of respect to them both I refer to it as The Bernd-O-Herb because I don't know who originated the idea.

It's dead simple : just 3 small size roller bearings mounted on anything fairly solid. The outer 2 are fixed, the central bearing moves in & out, towards & away from the outer 2.
I happened to have a T slotted milling table handy, otherwise a metal/ply plate with a central slot cut out to house a movable bolt.




It makes the most amazingly smooth curves, except it won't bend the last few inches - just save them as "straights" with a slight bend on the end.

Heel-less switches :

Thanks Dan. I was undecided whether to go for heeled or heel-less but as the early D&RGW spec was all heeled I thought I would try the same.
Thanks for the Exactoscale fishplate info, I didn't know of them. The next but one switch may be your style because of the geometry involved.

At some time (I can't find out when) the D&RGW went over to heel-less, possibly when they they relaid to 70 lbs + track for the K's. I can only find their earlier PW drawings on t'Internet. There aren't many good close up photos of D&RG switches and I suspect most of them are of more recently relaid track either on the Cumbres&Toltec or the Durango&Silverton. Even the Silverton Northern boys seem to be relaying with heel-less.  

But I'm a sucker for that "old-time railroad" look. Maybe I should change with the times as I have the K's to roster !!.

Thanks Dan,      Michael

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 Posted: Tue Dec 8th, 2015 12:52 pm
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Hi Michael.

Lookin' good.

So the rail in the last pics. is PECO code-83, right ?

What rail-joiners are you using Michael ?

Cheers.

Si.

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 Posted: Tue Dec 8th, 2015 03:24 pm
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Hello Si,

All the track you've seen so far has been PECO Code 83, except for the Bodge-Matic Corp's new PECO Code 82 Master Gauge - where I included a PECO C.83 sample for your benefit & info.
All the rest of Chavez' P&C work (Point & Crossing) will hence forth be in 70 lb (Code 82) rail. You see, there will now be a U.K. wide shortage of C.82 !!.

What actually happened was that I was at an Exhibition & asked at a Stand for a 6 yd pack of "rail suitable for On30" - they sold me Code 83. Repeat conversation later on at local Model Shop & they sold me Code 82. Didn't notice the difference till I ran out of C.83 & opened the C.82. The d*mn Peco Corp don't make any mention of the profile difference.

Fishplates : Currently SMP (Marcway), no Code on the pack but fit C.83 nicely.

I also have a pack of ME's specifically labelled "Code 83"  courtesy of a visiting American. I haven't tried them yet, slightly different shape to the SMP's.

I have now found that by filing a bit off the foot of the C.82 the SMP's will fit. Slightly odd because the micrometer makes both rail feet about the same - maybe the web is also slightly different ?. Some rail joints in the "unseenicked" Chavez will probably just be soldered end-to-end. I ain't that worried about "global warming" causing too many rail expansion problems.

Regards,         Michael

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" I ain't that worried about "global warming" causing too many rail expansion problems."

Hi Michael.

Jeremy Corbins brother was on the tube the other night...
...saying global-warming is a load of ol' bull...
...seemed to be saying that global-cooling is what we should be concerned about ??

Thanks Michael.
I feel like such a noooooob.
I couldn't figure out what rail-joiners fit PECO code-83 from their website...
...it really is useless !

Not :moose: less

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 Posted: Wed Dec 9th, 2015 03:17 pm
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Hi Si,

In view of  P......P.....P.....Co (Peco, fill in your own missing letters) AND their retailers near 99% inability to sell you the correct product I have a "borrowed" copy of their full trade catalogue (101 pages in some sort of illogical order).

Peco have a "Streamline" range, known as The Universal Trackage System (looks equally bad in any gauge), based on Code 100 rail. The correct fishplates (rail joiners in Pecospeak) are: Code 100 SL-10.

BUT the "Streamline" range is ALSO available in Code 75, badged as the Fine Trackage System. Correct fishplates are : Code 75 SL-110. To join Code 75 to Code 100 use :
Dual Standard Rail Joiners SL - 112. (why would anyone want to do that ??).


Peco "Streamline" Code 83 is billed as being :

 "Created specially for modellers of American railroads everywhere" (their blurb, not mine !). Furthermore this has been "Scaled from prototype drawings and tooled with the latest CADCAM technology......designed specifically from A.R.E.A. drawings and conforms to NMRA standards". Blah blah etc.

- all I can say is they obviously didn't use MY CAD system !!

Only part way through the verbage does it refer to HO track (NOT On30).
Correct fishplates are : Code 83 SL-8310.

Is the anxiety level rising yet ? - don't worry, it'll get MUCH MUCH worse in a minute !!


On Page 75 we come to "Streamline" 0-16.5 (On30) "Narrow Gauge in 7 mm Scale".

This is based on their Code 100 rail. Correct fishplate is : Code 100 SL-10, in other words their bog-standard OO "Universal" rail-joiner. Correct.

But now we depart the obscure for the ridiculous, as below.

I've already shown you that @ 48:1 their Code 83 looks about 40 lbs yard. The  railhead width as measured by my trusty Moore&Wright micrometer is .031" but listed as .039" on Page 100, miles out.

At 48:1 their Code 82 looks about c. 70 lbs yard or .036" railhead width as checked by micrometer and listed as .035" so roughly correct. 

Both my rail packs were unopened & clearly labelled as C82, C 83 etc. Has someone at P.....P....P... been putting the wrong labels on their rail packs ???. In which case NEITHER rail size is correct !

I ain't finished yet.....!!!

Catalogue Page 100 gives their rail codings in proper Imperial & that other poxy system that I thought we got rid of in 1815 at a place called Waterloo.

According to Peco, Code 82 railhead is 0.89 mm (.035") Correct.

And Code 83 is .0787 mm (.039") -- but when I was at school .0787 mm IS ACTUALLY EQUAL TO  .031" in proper money. (actually .03098").

So finally we have the answer, after weeks of confusion !!!! I'm SO glad you asked.

Code 82 IS the heavier  rail but some tw*t at Peco can't work out decimalisation & their mistake got into the catalogue. So the retailer who swears blind that Code 83 is .039" & so HEAVIER than Code 82 is sort of telling the truth - 'cos it's the blo*dy Catalogue that's wrong.    `

Bye Bye, I've got a migraine coming on -- More Rum Nurse !.

Michael

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Hi Michael.

" I DOOON'T BEEELIEEEVE IT ! "

I actualy spent lunchtime starving...
...whilst looking at PEEECO ! stuff on evilBay.
( some of the listings were quite informative )

So...
...SL-8311 is a pack of 12 insulated fishplates ... OOPS ... rail joiners.

Good tip from PEEECO...
...if things in the 'Streamline' or 'Fine Scale' ranges don't fit well...
...SQUEEZE THEM WITH PLIERS ( gently ! )

Mmm...

Oh ... also spent some EUROS today...
...seemed like quite a lot...
...but then I remembered they aint worth $71#.

Ta ta fer noo.

Cheers.

Si.

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 Posted: Wed Dec 9th, 2015 06:19 pm
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SL-8311 ?  That'll be a Left Handed GWR Guard (unpainted).

Only joking ........ = "Insulating Rail Joiners" Code 83 (Page 52).

What are you wasting the Queen's coinage on by converting it Brussel's Bogroll ?

Cheers,   Michael

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I would prefer to do business in Swiss francs...
...like all the top-brass at FIFA.

Except I aint gonna be eatin' porridge for the next 10 years !

I got a life-sentance at Freerails to serve !!

:moose:

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Yeah, and at the rate yer going, there aint gonna be any short time for good behavior!




Just kidding

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" What are you wasting the Queen's coinage on by converting it Brussel's Bogroll ? "

Hi Michael.

Well ... They arrive on Monday, I hope, way ahead of schedule !
You don't normaly get that kinda fast progress in Brussels !!

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" There aint gonna be any short time for good behavior! "

Hi Herb.

Fair game...
...as long as I'm permitted some 500-part 1:35 kits in the cellblock.

:moose:

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