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 Posted: Wed Apr 13th, 2016 02:01 pm
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 I leafed through some very old issues of MR ( 50's ), where e.g. Eric LaNal told about H0's beginnings. It started to be 5/8" gauge, and soon it was found out that the then-available motors didn't fit into models built to 1:90 or 1:96(US practice). This led to some expansion by ~5%, only the Brits weren't satisfied due to their smallish loading gauge and inflated the outline further by ~15%. It was called 00 and fit nicely to 3/4" gauge. For years, until WWII, there was a confusion of naming the newfangled gauge. Märklin of Germany started in 1935 with what they called '00' - but that was 5/8" track gauge and ~1:75 scale. The other manufacturers added to the confusion, too.



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Hi Helmut, Alan Rice came along some years after HO and OO were being done by the Brits. The reason for the British going to OO due the motor size is a popular myth.
One of the workers who was there working for the company who started it all wrote many years later to a British magazine to correct the misconception. The reason was due to the oversized width of the wheels then thought necessary and because of the small loading gauge in the UK, the gauge had to be decreased to fit those wheels under the body.
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 Posted: Thu Apr 14th, 2016 06:50 am
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@b, thanks for the info. It just shows that so many years after the setting of scales and gauges, a lot of even contradictory narration is floating around. here's some further reading for those interested.



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 Posted: Sat Apr 16th, 2016 03:56 pm
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Henry Greenly was an advocate of under gauge track, the RH&DR suffers from the same malaise and Greenly was responsible, unfortunately he also had some influence with Frank Hornby. 

Getting back to the thread: The 1 to 45 Forum has developed rather well, it now features news and reviews of continental outline as well as member's projects. We don't cater for British nor American outline as these genres have forums a plenty but we do provide a venue for those interested in something a bit left field without having to discuss everything in German.

More importantly, we are not part of a society, no fees to pay and no connection with any manufacturers.

Tim Hale

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 Posted: Sun Apr 17th, 2016 02:48 pm
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Well said, Tim

Any scale or gauge is welcome here to discuss creating models. I try to only discourage folks who are collectors -- as you said, there are many other venues on the web that cater to them.

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Did you say "collectors" or was that possibly "correctors" as in "those rivets are too big!"...

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correctors

Hmm

Being guilty myself of this at times, I believe that it is a fungus that feeds on the corrector not doing enough modeling--and creating-- on their own.

Guilty as charged, yer Honor!

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OK then, you are really HERBAL. I stand corrected, connected, collected, and all that other stuff.

The "O scale" scale issue is really interesting. There is 1:43, 1:45, 1:48, stand off scale, stand way off scale, and get out the slide rule to figger it all out. As the beat writer Ken Keasey put forth-"you're either on the bus or off the bus." Who is "right"? Just remember the good old Lionel scale-as long as it fits on 1.25" gauge track, it is right.

Or, as another beat generation icon, Mr. Natural, was asked..."Mr. Natural, what does it all mean?", he replied-"it don't mean S$%^ !"

Here come the angry townsfolk with pitchforks and torches, sieze ya later!!!
Woodrow

***We now return to the original intent of this thread. That is all***



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Pitchforks are one thing Woodie, but those damn feathers and tar are a problem.

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Hey Woodie,

"Just remember the good old Lionel scale-as long as it fits on 1.25" gauge track, it is right."


Ya just gotta love Lionel.  There is scale, semi-scale, high-rail, low-rail, but not the middle rail.  Ya gotta be careful what you are buying from Lionel, Williams, or MTH to make sure it will fit with the trains you're running.  While I run mostly traditional Lionel equipment some other stuff finds its' way onto the layout  With Lionel there really isn't a scale especially when you look at the accessories (and you thought I just worked in 1/35 scale).



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