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Hey all, is there and good but freeware software for making layouts/plans?

I have and can use Visio, but if there is something that is made for layouts it would make things easier.

I think this is the next step in my journey as I am set on one of two scales (finally!).

Thx!

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I have used SCARM in the past and it worked for me. I have not tried the latest version.
http://www.scarm.info/index.php

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Thank you Frank, will check it out.

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BTW, I bought "Track Planning for Realistic Operation" book. I am hoping that helps me out.

Any feedback on this book?

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I think that you are referring to a book written by John Armstrong

Excellent book, but perhaps a little more advanced than a beginner needs for a first layout.

My suggestion for you is to buy some 0n30 --an engine, and some care, and track. Lay the track in whatever configuration your available space will allow--and get something running.

This will tell you a lot more than talking about the differences between 1/64 and 1/48. The equipment is readily available, and saleable if you decide that something larger suits you better.

This comes from someone who has built (not finished) so many layouts in 67 years, that I can't count them. Major scale change along the way also.

Get running!!!!

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Herb,
I have been working on getting equipment. I already have one starter set and two locos, but to complete this investigation I need to obtain a real 1:48 O scale loco and one On30 1:48 (that one is easy enough). The issue is convincing my wife it will save money down the road and that I will be happier with what I ultimately choose! :)

And yeah - that thought crossed my mind this morning actually: how many people do you all see that talk about doing it, do some investigation and then never actually get anything running?  My guess is quite a few.  I think it applies to a lot of different areas in life.

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Helmut:
Go with the On30, much cheaper than O scale standard gauge at eats up less space. I did and never looked back.
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Basher,
Thx. I am REALLY tempted by that - there are some pretty cool On30 locos. If you have not been following my saga here in the last couple of weeks, I intend to make an outdoor layout. Yes, I understand the challenges, etc. in doing this in anything other than G gauge but am going to try (if I decide to do O or On30 gauge).

The biggest deal with On30 is I fear it is just as small as S scale or O semi-scale, and I might want something bigger. But hat is why I am purchasing one of each to set out where the layout will go and see how the sizes fit.

But I like the On30 stuff so much I might just get some track, etc. to go with it and have it anyway. And yes, it is much less expensive than actual O scale stuff.

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Helmut:
OK I did not understand that you are thinking about an outdoor layout. On30 may be too small. I think only a few people have tied On30 outdoors
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See if these photos appear
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Helmut:
Another view. O scale Casey Jones vs. On30 Bachmann Mogul for comparison.
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yessir!

the front is a Bachmann On30 2-6-0 Mogul (?) from a Christmas set?

Can you tell me what the back model is? 4-6-0 10 wheeler?

EDIT: hehe - I was too fast!  Thx for the pics and info!  The difference is not as extreme as I thought.

Who makes that Casey Jones 10 wheeler?

THX!!!

:moose::moose:

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Helmut:
Last photo head on for comparison between O scale standard & On30 locos.
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And any chance to throw in a S scale AF or semi-scale Atlas steamer?

Not really necessary unless it is easy enough for you to do, one pic would be enough.

I am very grateful for your assistance here.

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Helmut:
The O scale Casey Jones was made by Riverossi of Italy.
Very old non-powered model. Wanted to show friends the difference between O scale and On30 narrow gauge locos.
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yessir, understood and thank you very much. It helps a lot.

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Helmut:
The middle loco is an American Models S scale RS-3 Diesel that I am converting for use on my On30 layout.
The wheels have been narrowed down from S Gauge to HO Gauge which is what On30 equipment uses. This should confuse you even further.
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OK - so about the same size as S scale in general? My guess is that diesel is larger in real life than the steam engines.

is that a good assumption?

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Helmut:
I don't know if I can help you further in your quest.
Many Steam locos are larger than Diesel locos in real life.
And many modern Diesel locos are much bigger than older Steam locos.
Hope you get all of this sorted out in you mind. You may be over thinking the issue.
For an outdoor layout bigger would be better in my mind.
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By the way, I recently downloaded AnyRail:

ANYRAIL

And the free version seems like a good product (has quite a few brands of track in the library), but limited to 50 pieces of track per drawing.  You can always break a plan up into multiple parts and tape them together.

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Bob D,
Yeah I have installed and am testing out a few. I have the free version of Anyrail installed as well as SCARM and xtrakcad. I have a list of others to check out as well.

Man is there a lot of stuff to learn, figure out and do! I like it.

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Helmut:
Here is a photo of a narrow gauge loco next to a standard gauge loco. Also notice the size difference between the standard and narrow gauge box cars. These are not models.
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Wow! That is dramatic! the rails on the narrow gauge even look link 30"?

standard=1.12"/56.5"=1:50.4

narrow=.4920"/n=1:50.4, solving for n=24"!

not exactly accurate, measured on the screen with micrometer at about the same spot and across a tie on each.

so that is really an n2 gauge rail it seems? so probably a bit smaller than what COULD be built for 30" or 36" gauge.  that (2 ft. gauge) seems about right with the guys standing there.

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Hi Helmut,
That photo in the previous post was of one of the Maine 2' gauge locos beside a (B & ?) standard-gauge gauge loco. I can remember seeing the photo with the caption of who owned which locomotive

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Thx John.

I got it right! :)

That is a cool photo.

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That photo comparison is impressive showing the tremendous scale differences. I was just reading the new K-27 Blackstone Locomotives are physically about 1/3 larger than their previous C-19 locomotives. That photo really shows off just how small a narrow gauge is.

Thanks for the photo post.

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XtrkCAD it free.

You can download it here https://sourceforge.net/projects/xtrkcad-fork/

Wiki site for info - http://www.xtrkcad.org/Wikka/HomePage

Yahoo group for question - https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/XTrkCad/info

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