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 Posted: Thu Sep 29th, 2016 10:25 am
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I spent sometime fixing as best I could a collection of used Peco dead frog points for a mate who is building his first model railway over the last couple of days.
Plenty of inventive solutions are being applied to these and some old live frog ones to wire them properly but he will have saved quite a few dollars in the process.
It will be even more interesting when his son begins the build of a MERG DCC system.
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Bob

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 Posted: Thu Sep 29th, 2016 10:37 pm
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Hi Bob, how do you wire up dead frog points do you need a DPDT switch, the Peco three way dead frog is a night mare to wire up with all those wires, I know enough to get by with on DC

Will have to check out this MERG DCC, have to win the lotto to change over.

I am looking at using a remote control to operate a throttle on the layout so my disabled son can come out and run a train, getting the right remote????

Tony from SE/QLD

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 Posted: Fri Sep 30th, 2016 12:35 am
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Basically you need the frog switched for all points unless you are prepared to have a dead section at the frog Tony. I liven up the frog by cutting and hard wiring in the necessary places. If you only intend to run diesels or long steamers with pickups on all wheels the frog should not need to be live. However the closure rails and point rails need to be wired permanently to the adjacent stock rails if you have DCC and its not a bad idea for reliability for DC. This will prevent the DCC booster from tripping when a wheel touches the open stock/closure rail on occasions causing a momentary s/c. Not a big issue with dinosaur control, you just get a big spark. :>;) The frogs on his layout will be be switched by small DPDT switches that also set the point blades e.g. Jaycar SS0852. The link is made from paper clips. My O gauge uses that system for the handmade track and microswitches operated by the throwbar on the Peco points. The MERG system choice was suggested by me as a father/son project as his eldest is not really into trains but is into electronics and computer programming. The MERG kit system is aimed at electronics enthusiasts who like fine soldering. If that doesn't work out he will probably buy Digitrax because I have it. That, NCE or Lenz are all good choices. When it comes to wireless controls it depends on what system you are running. Some DCC systems have radio throttle options and some have also got ways to connect a smartphone with a throttle app. Very little is available for DC, I have used a few and the only commercial one I was satisfied with was made once in Victoria by Radio Train Electronics (have a look at the back pages of some previous AMRA journals for the ad). It is horses for courses with control systems. I ran for years with my Digitrax with just a couple of chipped locos. The ability to run one unchipped loco(or consist) at a time meant I could run all my locos without bankrupting myself and still enjoy the ease of multiple user control that DCC offered. These days I have all my locos chipped. cheers BobC

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 Posted: Fri Sep 30th, 2016 01:40 am
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The other option is to have one dedicated battery /radio loco for your son ( his train ), it could be run on Deltang or Bluerails depending on need for sound. cheers Bob

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 Posted: Sat Oct 1st, 2016 10:26 pm
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Hi Bob I will be sticking to the insulfrog points no wiring but still need those plastic joiner's the passing loops.

http://www.deltang.co.uk/

I came across one link what you are talking about but what one to get, will chat to the garden railway blokes next time I go to AMRA, some of them use aircraft radio controllers.

What a perfect day, mowing the foot path and back yard going to test out the mulch side of the mower, got rid of most of the weeds in the grass.

Tomorrow is the big day starting my adventure to Canberra, I am hopping the WW1 railgun is at the war museum or they might be able to give me some info can see a new scratch building coming, was on display at Sydney Central station in the 1920's.

Be looking forward to the train from Canberra o Sydney as well be taking video of course.


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Enjoy your trip Tony.
Hope you have plenty of warm clothes. :>)

I used to do the train run from Canberra to Sydney on a regular basis before they started flying me in the early 70's.

The Deltang transmitters are available made up from various suppliers. Some in Oz.
The Blurails uses an Ipad or similar.
Choice of transmitter might be down to your son's abilities. Hopefully there is something to suit.

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 Posted: Sun Oct 2nd, 2016 11:21 am
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Hi Bob, thanks I will, yeah have a very good jacket that will keep that cold wind out, problem is going from 17 degrees to 24 in Sydney, 3 over night at least the unit has air-con.

I found the Blurails link it looks like you need DCC to run it I won't be switching to DCC so stuck with DC all that extra wiring to run more than one train on a block system but lots of fun with other friends.

Yeah AMRA QLD branch on their DCC run Wi-Fi and I have an iPhone app, thinking of buying a NCE remote controller so I don't use the iPhone wears the battery down pretty quickly.

Have two locos with DCC on board one DD40AX and a Thaly's TGV 10 car set both locos powered.

Tony from SE/QLD

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 Posted: Sun Oct 2nd, 2016 10:28 pm
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No, Blurails is direct control. No DCC required.
If you have a battery/radio equipped loco then you can have two operators running trains without throwing electrical switches.
I did it that way decades ago before buying into DCC.

Perhaps a cheap s/h phone or pad off feebay might also be a choice. If you run that flat at least your phone still works if needed.

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Bob

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 Posted: Mon Oct 3rd, 2016 12:03 am
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Hi Bob, WOW Blurail be the way to go then , they are in the process of building them for Australian and US use.

My remote controllers brand is RCS I am not sure if the bloke is still going, got two of them, one for each transformer.

A lot of AMRA members use iPads, my wife has a new iPad will use her old one to save on the phone battery, the app I use as a basic one , you have to pay for the double control running two locos.

Heavy cloud cover here rain coming in today.

Tony from SE/QLD

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 Posted: Mon Oct 3rd, 2016 11:29 pm
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RCS is still alive and kicking.
Tony posts in the rc pages here, he is now in Casino.
http://www.rcs-rc.com/
He manufactures gear based on Deltang these days.

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Bob

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