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Have finely decided to start my own thread, since the one I was on was someone's else's and since I have started working on the station module complex involving two stages.

My layout is based on the GSR route covering Sydney, Adelaide and Perth, another stage I will be modelling Adelaide to Darwin , GSR also go from Adelaide to Melbourne.
GSR stands for Great Southern Railway and own the famous Indian Pacific and the Ghan plus the Overland, not sure will have to find out if the Southern Spirt is still running it is a luxury train runs between Adelaide Melbourne Sydney and Brisbane. they had two NR class locos with a special Southern Spirit logo paint scheme, I own one of them.

I will also running freight trains have two separate passing loops through the station platforms.

The layout is 24ft by 54ft full run is 50metres 168 feet hope to have enough track to complete the first circuit I will aim for first, third stage will make the layout will grow to 44feet wide by 56fet long.
That stage will have the Northfork bridge on the Feather river California, is a concrete arch bridge, another passing loop and single track with a reverse loop,

Pics to follow of the mock-up point track plan, new track plan and pics of Sydney Central I am modelling, a pity the layout isn't going around the whole house as I could have another station at the front of the house.

Modelling Sydney central so I can lift the station off to make way for another station scene, the first module has being modified to do so. Stations being Broken Hill NSW Adelaide SA Cook in WA and Perth, I am working on Perth interstate terminal one platform and has a suburban island platform as well.

Busy time adding new pics to my Gallery so I post the pics on the thread.

That's the story of my dream layout, plan to have a vertical staging yard in the garden shed too, the only way to have a long layout with out those module legs which was an issue on my last modular layout.

Tony from down under

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A modular garden railway... I look forward to seeing that .
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Thanks Bob, yeah something different very popular in the UK 00 scale garden railway.

What scale are you modelling Bob, great to see members from down under.

I can't leave the layout permanently set up, hot summers have a lot to do with it and a son that is disabled in an electric wheel chair.

The module sections are plug and play, section track joins have being designed just need two screws and track line up every time, sections are coded shouldn't take long to set up. I can leave the layout set up for a few days if I want run more than one day will depend on the weather .

Busy day working on the station modules.

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Since we can't access our pic gallery I am hopping you can post a pic folder from the Browser.

Bugger can't post a pic folder, one pic per post, the pic is from Google Earth of the main line heading into East Perth terminal for the Indian Pacific end of the line.

Pic is of the down track crossing over onto the out track, third point is not far after the bridge, where the train heads onto the platform track, passing shunt track as well.

I have modelled that section of line and points, next post will the module the points are on.

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The pic is of what I am modelling on the curved section of the spiral, the track heading off to the right is the suburban mainline heading into an island platform.

Is there any other way of posting pics on the forum till the gallery is sorted out ????

This is an earlier pic since this pic I have changed the direction of the lower level track base of the spiral which is now in font of the pergola post.

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Hi Tony, I model in 7mm /O gauge these days.
Check out my threads in the O gauge folder.
I have had HO outdoors. A friend had his HO layouts outside for more than 10 years around Wynnum/Manly until he went into care.
Sounds like a lot of work, having to set it up and take it down, but if it works for you then that is all that matters.

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Hi Tony.

The photos look great.
Carry on with the attachments for now.

I wish the weather was a bit kinder here in Blightey !
I got a lotta space outside.
It just $%£&@? rains all the time !!

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It is interesting that a place with the most unsuitable weather invents and continues to breed the small scale outdoor layout more than anywhere else Si.
I think if I was in the UK it would be waterproof trains running out of a heated shed with big windows. :>)
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Bob wrote
Hi Tony, I model in 7mm /O gauge these days.
Check out my threads in the O gauge folder.
I have had HO outdoors. A friend had his HO layouts outside for more than 10 years around Wynnum/Manly until he went into care.
Sounds like a lot of work, having to set it up and take it down, but if it works for you then that is all that matters.


Hi Bob thanks will check your thread out, I have an old Hornby clock work tank steamy in ) scale, she is going to get a new least of life. Going to add on a coach that will be battery powered soothing like the Coffee Pot in SA, I found a pic that gave me the idea.

WOW HO scale in the garden at Wynnum Mainly Brisbane, do you have any pics of your friend and your outdoor same scale layout

Bob over in England 00 scale garden railway is very popular, I have seen pics on another forum of blokes running trains in the snow with no problems.

I have just come back home form a train club committee meeting the other side of Brisbane Zillmere, takes an hour to get there from Ipswich, didn't run any trains as next Saturday I am duty office be there all day.

Tony from south east QLD

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Hi Si, awesome you are from the UK, some good news in England 00 scale garden railway is very popular scale, there is another forum in the UK you can check out I can give you the direct link.

Tony from down under

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It is interesting that this thread still works. I had to make a new one to continue to post and I get reminders of new posts on other threads that I cannot find.

I don't think I took any photos of my HO layout but I might have some of Ian's in the second place it was located. If I find I will post here. It was used to run most anything that would run on HO track (HO,OO,SN42,ON30).

I visited the AMRA club rooms a couple of times when I worked in Brisbane.

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Hi Bob, yeah Si was says the same on another thread when the forum crashed, I checked the old garden railway thread I was using and all my pics are still there.

What year where you in Brisbane I joined AMRA in 2,000, there was an Ipswich HO scale club but that one closed down pity, The N scale section is still going could change gauges.

When we have quiet days at the club we get a chance to run very long trains, here is a video clip of my double stack container train. OH yeah I plan to double even triple the size of this train longer the better on my layout with 35foot passing loops.

My Indian Pacific is 1 cars long with two NR class locos, I did do a video be stuffed it up, will be doing one next Saturday depending on how busy AMRA's layout is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-W1n1xYhNE

I bought the latest Indian Pacific NR class NR18 with the newest colour scheme from Austrains, I only have one other NR that will double head but I have to replace the spring on the kadee, busy week.
I also have the famous Flying Scot and that loco has duel tenders and guess what the water tender is powered as well and can pull 11++ coaches, before next Saturday I will be replacing the draw bar between the two tenders with Lima stile couplers.

Enjoy the video clip, my dream train.

Tony

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I can't remember the exact year at the moment but would have been around the turn of the century Tony. I was only there about 6 months. I have been back a couple of times since when in Brisbane visiting relo's.
I have been in and out of AMRA since the 1970's. This is currently my third period of membership.
Having done some Qld modelling in both HO and S in past years I was able to have some interesting chats with the locals.

Sounds like you have a wide collection of trains Tony. Thanks for the link.

I found the club layout a bit of a mixture at the time. I think the HOn42 track was about to be dismantled. I did visit a couple of other clubs that had a more cohesive approach. One was generic US prototype and the other NSWGR. Both HO.
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I have come across a link that I used to use down loading pics to the forum called Photo shank, is in the top 10 free sharing programmes from Google.

Here we go.



The first pic is of the Indian Pacific East Perth interstate station platform and I do have a HO scale version of the loco NR28{Port Augusta}

The second pic is what I am modelling, the reason for the cut piece of ply, is will lift out to become a different station scene



The island platform is a suburban platform and I will be modelling the platform as well

In the second pic that is what the three tracks to the right of the pic is heading into the island platform and the third one is a freight passing loop.



Bingo I am back in business, working well downloading pics, I will quit whike the going is good.

I will still use the browser for larger pics like Google Earth.

I must of deleted the GE pic of East Perth station, will get another one.

On a high, Tony from down under:2t::rah::glad:

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Hi Bob, how was yesterday busy or quiet day, I didn't do much other than get the curve sections out and screw hinges onto the legs so I can fold them out the way, am thinking of having permeant posts in the garden where I can, where the spiral goes on the pathway I can't have a post, the curve sections were too hard to store away in the garden shed much easier.

Once all the 6 station modules are finished and stacked up on their sides the curves will sit on top of them, be nice if I had a second shed for my wood lather which is taking up a lot of room in the shed.

I am using Photo Shank to download photos to the forum did use it till I found the gallery , much the same way.

Working on the station modules today cutting the legs to size , the legs will fold up inside the module frame.

Tony

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Tony, I have been busy with the start of lawnmowing season and have had some r/c flying fiends over lately so not much happening on the railway. However lawn care is scenic development for an outdoor railway. :>)
I also had a sizeable branch from next door's tree to remove off the layout after the storm.
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Hi Bob, our grass isn't growing much at the moment, but the is green, lack of rain, rain coming in this week.

Talk about mowing I just bought a new mower, Ryobi 36volt 18inch cut, I changing fully over to 36volt power in the garden. No more mixing two stroke petrol, no more oil storage only for the chain saw be either battery or electric, doing my bit to save this planet. will sell the Rover mower blower-vac and chair saw, that will give me enough money to buy a 36volt Ryobi blower-vac, not in a hurry to buy a chain saw was bought to timber logs for wood turning have my own wood lathe.

Into radio control flying awesome , what sort of models do you fly, I have a friend that is into model flying, he was telling me you even need wingd to fly model planes , he got his wings late last year.

I would love to move into model flying, one or the other, would go for a Harrier jump jet be fun or V22 Osprey

I am lucky there isn't any tress that would cause any problem with my layout, be in trouble if the tree behind the garden shed came down, by, by layout module, I have insurance.

Tony from down under.

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Here is a Google earth pic of East Perth Indian Pacific terminal, the length of the platform is 686.61 meters long the longest platform in Australia.
In HO scale be 6.535 metres and in feet 21ft6inchs WOW I don't think I could fit the platform even on my layout, long enough to take 28 passenger cars.



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Tony, you only need a train long enough that it looks right not one that is right.
It might be some years before I get back to Brisbane. Caring takes up quite bit of time, I know.

I am planning to replace my mower and lawn edger with electric models too. The Victa 80V range is my preferred one but it depends how flush I am when it comes time. Same with the car, but I'll have to wait until the current ones wears out. By then I hope there will be plenty of used electric vehicles in the lots :>)

I fly electric sport models and teach some of the locals. You need insurance at most fields to fly, the wings bit can be useful or not. As safety officer at our site I just oversee a newcomer and if they show me they can competently handle their plane they are right to go, otherwise it is onto the buddy box. You learn to fly with trainer aircraft and work your way up to those that require more skill. An electric foamie glider and a free online flight simulator with usb adaptor for your transmitter will see you learn the basics at minimal cost and tears.

Ipswich did have a model railway club at the museum, I assume that is the one that no longer exists.
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Hi Bob, I just love long trains, will be good on the spiral to see the loco head into the spiral tunnel when the rest of the train is on top of the spiral. A friend from AMRA wants to come over and run his two big boys and a 107 freight cars be pure awesome, I am modelling the spiral on the famous Tehachapi loop, without the cutting.

Did you come on the Friday of the train show and help set that layout up, you would of had to go to the front desk at the main entrance, the bloke sitting on the left was me.

Haven't sold my other petrol tools as yet buying those white plastic off cut sheets you can buy from Bunning tomorrow and make up a for sale sign ready for Friday and he weekend.

Bunning didn't have a big range of the 80volt Victa 80V range, in the US they have in the Ryobi mower a 20inch 72volt, be awesome as usual we are behind.

You said you are a carer, do you work as a carer for a mob or family. I have a son that is disabled and he is 30 now, 24/7 care wheel chair bound and on permeant ventilation.
I can only manage to do a few hours here and there, but hopping to get stuck into the layout next week, taking for ever at the moment, will get there, not giving up this layout is my dream layout.

First week of October my mum and elder sister is taking me down to Canberra to visit the was museum , have a great Uncle in the WW1 section and going back by train to Sydney will get a change to see Sydney Central station what I am modelling as a station, be spending a few hours taking pics and some measuring if I can, counting the days to the adventure.

Yes that is right, but the N scale side still goes under the same name, they have their own club rooms now, no more HO scale shame.

I would love to start up a new HO scale club one day, a lot of work.

Tony

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Bolivia was exhibited years back Tony.
Spent the last 4 years full time with my mother.
War museum is brilliant. The ARHS has a good collection at Kingston and I think two of the model clubs have rooms there.
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Sorry about your Mum, Bob--but it is good in many ways that you are able to spend time with her


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Hi Bob, good you are taking care of your mum and she isn't in a nursing home, wee would never put our son in on after all the stories you hear about and some just resent.

If anything happened to us we would make sure he goes into independent living with blokes with the same condition.

Ok did you go to the train when it was at the Ekka.

The ARHS has a book shop at Sydney Central will check them out, there is a second book on Sydney Central station.

well under way with the station modules, I cut the module legs to size and drilled the hols and bolted them on quite sturdy when moving the module in place.




First pic is showing how I bolted the first station module to the corner spiral module



Second pic is looking at the bus wiring plugs, they will be hidden when Sydney central station is set up.
The piece of ply behind the leg will have to be cut into a L shape that is where the road be going and bus station.






Fourth pic is showing the countersunk bolts, there will be another module going behind it.




Last pic the light colour ply will lift out when Sydney Central is set up to show the entrance to the tunnel walk way o the platforms.

I am modelling east Perth terminal where the Indian Pacific finishes her three day journey across Australia.

The next two station modules bee easy to set up and level, I am aiming to comple the whole front of the layout connecting to the car port section, WOW, so close but still heaps more ahead.

On a high , Tony from down under
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Tony this is a fantastic build thread!  Glad you took the advice to have an independent thread.

You'd need acres of land to accurately model the prototype, but it looks like you've figured that out quite quickly.  Keep up the good work, it's a lot easier to find your layout progress now that you've got your own thread.

I'll be watching this because I might just do something similar, so thank you for the inspiration!

--James W.:rah:

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Modules are coming along nicely there Tony.

ARHS bookshop had to go back to Redfern so you will have to have a little walk from Redfern or a longer one from Central.

I haven't been to the Brisbane exhibition for some years. I made the Sydney diamond anniversary one with some help with mum from relo's.

Thanks, brevity can be a curse.. My mother is still alive but I recently had to put her in a nursing home as her care got beyond what a son could do. I feed her lunch everyday.
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Many thanks James, the feed back will get me more motivated now, yeah I got the inspiration from Trevor's thread as South Australia is simular in climate in summer to Ipswich QLD.

I will have to agree what you are saying now and great you are thinking of building a HO scale outdoor layout.
Wish our yard is flat as I could do what you said around the whole yard front and back be awesome, I did at one time planning to run around the whole hose came own to money on a budget.

Be looking forward to see you start a thread in the 00/HO scale garden railway.

Many thanks for the kind words James.

Tony from down under :Salute:

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Hi Bob, thanks be awesome when the station modules are finished and levelled, finished by next weekend,then I can work on the entrance module where most of the points are on.

And the final gap between that module and car port end, can't complete the final gap to the station modules are levelled.

Big day out at the train club, got the Flying Scot duel tenders sorted out with kadee's, running passenger trains, only one freight train.

That is sad to hear about ARHS having to move was looking forward o checking hem out.

That would of being a hard decision to make putting your mum in a nursing home, good you still go there daily to give her lunch, great stuff.

Being raining here all day how about Glen Innes.

Bye from Tony.

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Hi Tony.

Looking good !

28 car platform !!

At my local station, when they stopped a train longer than 12 cars...
...they had signs right up against the windows...
...telling the passengers not to get out, or they'd fall on the track !!
Electric doors now of course.

May the sun shine in Ipswich.
Ipswich here has some good weather !

:moose:

Si.

Hope they got more than 1 bathroom on those 28 car trains...
...it's a long walk after a few V.B.s other wise !

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Hi Si thanks can't wait to the big day the first test train will roll out of the station, so close but still far away.

Over here the passengers are told to make their way through the carriage's to the cars at the platform, that is why Perth is so long Adelaide they use two platforms same with Sydney. That will be stage two of the station module build.

Yes in the sit up carriages there are two toilets,{bathrooms} at each end the sleeper cabins they have their own toilets, not sure of the lounge car and dinner car, will have to ask my mum she did the Indian Pacific trip in May.

Thanks to Eddie I now can see gallery in menu, just a matter of clicking a box, but changed the forum page to a blue boarder .

The remote mouse doesn't like the change or could need a new battery.

I did a video of my Indian Pacific yesterday at the train club have to upload to you tube today thanks to NBN it only takes 5 minutes before over half an hour.

Si do you live in Ipswich UK, awesome, the old train club in Ipswich had ties with the club over there, they are no more, shame, the Brisbane club takes an hour drive from my place.

Tony from down under

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Thanks to all the Admin guys we have the gallery back, looks like just a simple fix, I could of changed quite a while back.

To celebrate I have downloaded my pride and joy, Flying Scotsman 4472 powered duel tenders.
I decided to change the draw bar to kadee's was having too many problems with the draw bar, test ran the loco on Saturday at my train club, I did have the 11 coaches but was having problems with them. Will have to bite the dust and change the couplers from the bogies to body mounted, big job.



First pic I still have to put in a coupler box, the brass shaft that is used to pick up the main drive wheels, will cut it to size an bolt the coupler box to the now water tender.







It is good to back in business uploading and posting pics

On a high, working on the second station module today, have to cut and screw in place the two ends and middle beams. Then I can bolt it to the first module level and mark the module legs, third module is already made up just need the same.

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well under way, finished the second station module all I need to do now is set the two modules up where they go and level the second module, mark the legs and cut them.

I may piggy back the second module since I have used 3/8 inch bolts only need one set of legs and the same with the third station stage one.
The third module is already made up hopefully finish the station modules the weekend and set up whole front of the layout from the car port to the spiral be an awesome site indeed.











The last pic the pinkish colour module is the third module for the station complex, there will be another three to complete the whole station complex 6 modules.

Once I have made up all the station modules those curved sections will sit onto of the modules, modules are 2ft wide.

Keep posted on the post for the latest up dates.

It was very sad to hear Gene Wilder passed away last week,
I managed a couple of years back bought his movie Silver Streak, had to buy a region 2 copy, can only play it on the lap top the new VCR's coming out today over here can't play all region anymore, top movie worth while getting a copy.


Tony from down under warming up over here.

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If you have a name brand Japanese DVD player it may not play all regions but google up 'region free' for the model of your DVD and you might find an unlock procedure. I just buy at the cheaper end these days as the lasers wear out in all of them and it cheaper to throw them than replace the laser. They also play all region.

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Hi Bob I had a look on the net about Google UP free region, it was the lap top I was using and I can't under stand that that movie played in region 2 is what I set the lap top to I think region 1 is US.

Did a windows 10 update and that update stuffed up Power DVD took out a couple of files, we had to do a restore back a couple of day and that fixed the problem, will wait for the next windows update.

I have an older Panasonic DVD player and it is all region will set that one up, got three HDMI connections on the TV but will have to block the other one as it is a Panasonic as well.

All goes well I will be finishing the first three of the station modules the weekend and then setting up the other modules that complete the front of the layout WOW

Oh yeah I sold my petrol garden tools and with that money I bought the 36volt Ryobi blower/vac pretty awesome, no more mixing two stroke, will get the chain saw later if I do, don't really need one, I would like to get the 18volt tree lobber.

Being raining here today, storms Sunday afternoon.

Tony.

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Hi Tony.

Lookin' good dude !!

No, I don't live in Ipswich, but it's not far away.

I saw you had a bit of bother Posting in the other HO/OO garden Thread.
You were right there was a difficulty, that thread can't start a new page.

Keep up the good work & SUNNY DAYS !

:moose:

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Hi Si yeah I sure did, thank you for fixing the error, I am glad then I took James's advise starting my onw thread.

Got some more pics from todays carpenters gang , was a slow start but I finished the second station module was hopping to set up the final module of stage one of the station complex. Will have to wait till mid week now rain coming in tomorrow, they say we will cop about 50mm good for the grass, I am itching to try out he new mower.







I decided to pre stand the second module easier to line up to put in the bolts.

Thanks Si I still have heaps more ahead can only work on the layout every few days, be good if I could spend a whole week on it.

Have to get some more countersunk bolts with wing nuts this week this is where the little costs add up.

Tony from down under:2t::glad:

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"Aiming to have my outdoor layout up and running buy Christmas or just after Christmas depending if I need more ply, be asking for Bunning Boucher's"

Had a chuckle with that one Tony, my kids get cranky when I suggest Bunnings 'vouchers' for Xmas or birthdays, they always say they want to give a present I will cherish, and I always say a voucher will help me get my railway done, and I 'will definitely' cherish that! They are slowly coming around to my way of thinking.

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Hi Wayne, that's ok, I have for a while being asking for money for my birthday buy what I want, my mum wont do that for Christmas gift card is the next best thing.

Planning a 24ft long double deck cable stay bridge modelled on the Oresund bridge between Denmark and Sweden or may be model an US bridge which is a double deck bridge much older bridge would like amore modern bridge design.

Will need lots of 4mm dowel and more ply can buy 3metre lengths at Bunning, may not have enough ply to complete the track circuit.

I forgot to mark the measurements before setting the station modules in place an inch out no wounder the modules aren't lining up properly, easy fix.

Have changed the design of the back track of the layout and shifted the back corner so there is a lift bridge and the road will look close to the real scene on the Oresund bridge.

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Have come across the best pic yet of the double deck cable stay bridge I will be building on the back of the layout.



First up I made sure Oresundsbron wasn't some ones name is the name f the bridge, the paying booths are on the Swedish side, the island at the top of the pic is man made and the road and rail go into a tunnel. They did that because of the airport on the Danish side.

I am only modelling the main span with the towers, island at the other end and the same at the bottom of the pic, sadly I can't model the bridge as you see it there is a bloody pergola post in the way other end. The curve of the bridge be facing the other way and won't be having the paying booths be automatic paying with a bridge across both roads we have them over here, we have a tag on the windscreen and that is picked up by scanning cameras on the bridge tower, there is that bad word again technology

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8jnMuCDmUk

Here is a good you tube video of a train passing through on the rail deck, shows the where the cables join into the support beams.

Big day today finishing off the last station module stage one of the station complex, pics to follow tomorrow when I set up the whole front of the layout from car port to spiral, WOW, long time at this build.

Tony from down under.

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At long last, I finely cut the last piece of ply to fill the gap of the track decking on Sunday on a high.

Saturday I cut the legs of the last station module and set it up in place to move onto the two modules between the corner module of the car port to the station module.

The next carpenters department job be cutting the ply to build the frame work of those two modules, that won't happen to the second week of October, first week I am going down to Canberra to visit the war museum and head back to Sydney by train to visit Sydney Central, be awesome, lots of pics.




Should of used the goo SLR digital camera, I tried to moodily the pic to show the bubble in the middle of the level was level.






Third pic looks like the decking drops down on an slope it doesn't the slope of the floor makes it loop that way.




I would of had the spiral corner module set up and spiral but thanks to rain stopped me from doing so.

Will be painting the three station modules this week and marking them which way the go, have marked the floor as well, hopefully with all the section coded it wont take long to set up, wiring is plug and play.

On a very big high and a pity I changed the design of the layout year back would of had trains running by now.

Tony from down under. :glad::wave::2t::slow:

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I love these mock-up's on checking to see how the points fit on the track plan before nailing them down and drilling the holes for the point motor's.

Also comes in handy when needing to buy more points and cross overs, I need one more single slip and one medium point.






The diamond cross over will be replaced with a single slip to be moved to the next module.

There is access to all five platforms from the main line the first platform with three tracks between the platform, even the three way point has being used.

Not sure if I will motorise the points, the control panel will be close by, not sure if I will have a control pane for each block .

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I spent sometime fixing as best I could a collection of used Peco dead frog points for a mate who is building his first model railway over the last couple of days.
Plenty of inventive solutions are being applied to these and some old live frog ones to wire them properly but he will have saved quite a few dollars in the process.
It will be even more interesting when his son begins the build of a MERG DCC system.
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Hi Bob, how do you wire up dead frog points do you need a DPDT switch, the Peco three way dead frog is a night mare to wire up with all those wires, I know enough to get by with on DC

Will have to check out this MERG DCC, have to win the lotto to change over.

I am looking at using a remote control to operate a throttle on the layout so my disabled son can come out and run a train, getting the right remote????

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Basically you need the frog switched for all points unless you are prepared to have a dead section at the frog Tony. I liven up the frog by cutting and hard wiring in the necessary places. If you only intend to run diesels or long steamers with pickups on all wheels the frog should not need to be live. However the closure rails and point rails need to be wired permanently to the adjacent stock rails if you have DCC and its not a bad idea for reliability for DC. This will prevent the DCC booster from tripping when a wheel touches the open stock/closure rail on occasions causing a momentary s/c. Not a big issue with dinosaur control, you just get a big spark. :>;) The frogs on his layout will be be switched by small DPDT switches that also set the point blades e.g. Jaycar SS0852. The link is made from paper clips. My O gauge uses that system for the handmade track and microswitches operated by the throwbar on the Peco points. The MERG system choice was suggested by me as a father/son project as his eldest is not really into trains but is into electronics and computer programming. The MERG kit system is aimed at electronics enthusiasts who like fine soldering. If that doesn't work out he will probably buy Digitrax because I have it. That, NCE or Lenz are all good choices. When it comes to wireless controls it depends on what system you are running. Some DCC systems have radio throttle options and some have also got ways to connect a smartphone with a throttle app. Very little is available for DC, I have used a few and the only commercial one I was satisfied with was made once in Victoria by Radio Train Electronics (have a look at the back pages of some previous AMRA journals for the ad). It is horses for courses with control systems. I ran for years with my Digitrax with just a couple of chipped locos. The ability to run one unchipped loco(or consist) at a time meant I could run all my locos without bankrupting myself and still enjoy the ease of multiple user control that DCC offered. These days I have all my locos chipped. cheers BobC

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The other option is to have one dedicated battery /radio loco for your son ( his train ), it could be run on Deltang or Bluerails depending on need for sound. cheers Bob

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Hi Bob I will be sticking to the insulfrog points no wiring but still need those plastic joiner's the passing loops.

http://www.deltang.co.uk/

I came across one link what you are talking about but what one to get, will chat to the garden railway blokes next time I go to AMRA, some of them use aircraft radio controllers.

What a perfect day, mowing the foot path and back yard going to test out the mulch side of the mower, got rid of most of the weeds in the grass.

Tomorrow is the big day starting my adventure to Canberra, I am hopping the WW1 railgun is at the war museum or they might be able to give me some info can see a new scratch building coming, was on display at Sydney Central station in the 1920's.

Be looking forward to the train from Canberra o Sydney as well be taking video of course.


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Enjoy your trip Tony.
Hope you have plenty of warm clothes. :>)

I used to do the train run from Canberra to Sydney on a regular basis before they started flying me in the early 70's.

The Deltang transmitters are available made up from various suppliers. Some in Oz.
The Blurails uses an Ipad or similar.
Choice of transmitter might be down to your son's abilities. Hopefully there is something to suit.

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Hi Bob, thanks I will, yeah have a very good jacket that will keep that cold wind out, problem is going from 17 degrees to 24 in Sydney, 3 over night at least the unit has air-con.

I found the Blurails link it looks like you need DCC to run it I won't be switching to DCC so stuck with DC all that extra wiring to run more than one train on a block system but lots of fun with other friends.

Yeah AMRA QLD branch on their DCC run Wi-Fi and I have an iPhone app, thinking of buying a NCE remote controller so I don't use the iPhone wears the battery down pretty quickly.

Have two locos with DCC on board one DD40AX and a Thaly's TGV 10 car set both locos powered.

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No, Blurails is direct control. No DCC required.
If you have a battery/radio equipped loco then you can have two operators running trains without throwing electrical switches.
I did it that way decades ago before buying into DCC.

Perhaps a cheap s/h phone or pad off feebay might also be a choice. If you run that flat at least your phone still works if needed.

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Hi Bob, WOW Blurail be the way to go then , they are in the process of building them for Australian and US use.

My remote controllers brand is RCS I am not sure if the bloke is still going, got two of them, one for each transformer.

A lot of AMRA members use iPads, my wife has a new iPad will use her old one to save on the phone battery, the app I use as a basic one , you have to pay for the double control running two locos.

Heavy cloud cover here rain coming in today.

Tony from SE/QLD

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RCS is still alive and kicking.
Tony posts in the rc pages here, he is now in Casino.
http://www.rcs-rc.com/
He manufactures gear based on Deltang these days.

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Hi Bob sadly I am back home again, wasn't long enough say in Canberra, need two days just as the War Museum and we had to pic the worsted day to visit, it was raining and very cold. Sunday would of being a better day but still very windy had to rugged up both days.

Lots of pics on the iPhone, iPad and SLR camera which I didn't charge up very well for the trip in the Explorer DMU train from Canberra to Sydney was a dam good trip 11 tunnels very hilly and lots of steep cutting as well, good line to model.

Thanks for the link of RCS will contact him to see if he can help, to modify the older RCS remote transformer.

Saw the wind turbine farm, got one good pic from the iPhone.

Tony from SE/QLD, more pics to follow

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Finely did a good video of my Indian Pacific at my train club last Saturday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cQ3DeE7nj8

My Indian Pacific leading loco NR18 with the new IP logo and paint scheme, only one NR with the paint scheme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eShqTVueEkU

Last video clip is of my spine car trailer train head loco is AC/4400 triple headed with two other locos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBm-6kExYnw

Enjoy Tony from SE/QLD:2t:

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The first link goes to another video Tony.

I assume you are doing this on your phone.
Try getting down lower to shoot if you can, I think you will find the results improved over helicopter shots. The train gets the scenery in the background that way.
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Hi Bob, yeah that's the only problem with you tube there are a heaps more other peoples links as well some good some not, can't do much about that the only way you can load on video links is you tube to this and any other forums.

Yes I used my iPhone 6s, full HD cant get any better that that, I reckon the smart phone will take over the digital SLR cameras, iPhone 7 has even abetter camera.

I had trouble trying to film and controlling my train with a hand controller, should of used the clubs remote controller and the train run around the whole layout nonstop make sure the points are set. I have the same remote control will do the same thing be a bit harder a foot from the ground.

Oh year I had an issue with my first password it wouldn't log on got a second password and the same till my wife logged the pass word and it worked soon after that it worked on the laptop pain in the bum, this password back to old one

Posted some up to date pics of my modules for the layout getting there, not well at the moment don't think I will get chance to do any work tomorrow.

Tony from SE/QLD keeping on moving aheard

I will try to change

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I think you are correct in assuming that the DSLR will no longer be the choice for home/travel photography. I ditched mine in 1980 for a good quality point and shoot. Only kept an SLR (later DSLR) for model photography.

The phone camera replaces the little point and shoot for many people and the home video camera too. Most phone shots won't print as even a 6x4 glossy however. You don't need as many dots to fill a pc screen up as you do a small photo.
About 2M pixels minimum for a 6x4.The latest iphone7 does have enough pixels to print a bit bigger.

Not such an issue theses days as photo sharing has changed to more social media and uploading to friends/family phones than showing slides or prints in your photo album.

Good luck with your password.
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Hi Bob yeah you will only see top photographer using SLR's I was going to buy Nikon camera even with the zoom lens it wasn't as good as the SLR Fujifilm camera 1400 full digital zoom 750 normal zoom. What I need to buy a night filter to take pics of the moon too bright have tried changing different setting didn't work and want a wide angle lens too handy when taking pics of layouts and family.

Hope when it cool down later on this afternoon I get a chance in levelling the approach module, marking and cutting the legs, fingers crossed.

Will only be running trains in the cooler months summer no don't know what the heart of the sun will do to the locos.

Bingo I changed my password back to my old one.

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Good to hear you got your password problems sorted.

I have never needed a filter to do moon shots.
Have a look at a site such as this.
http://www.lightstalking.com/how-to-photograph-the-moon/

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Hi Bob, was a cooler day today till was warm in the middle of the day I waited till late afternoon before I undid the bolts and puled away the last station module,
I set up the last module forgot to take a pic will wait till I join up the carport module then take a pic so nearly there for the front of the layout long time coming working out well .

Thanks for that link on the moon, after reading the story I will put in a search on my camera to see what setting I have to change.

this pic is how my moon pics turn out like.

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Hi Tony.
Hope things are goin' good down under !
Here's the Moon from my place.
Lumix u4/3rds, Tamron 200mm lens + Two 2x flat-field convertors.
Actually had to 'pan' the camera on the tripod.
The Moon moves pretty FAST with that lens combo !
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Hi Si, good to hear from you, any snow fall where you are in London yet, can send some snow my way to cool it down being bloody hot, in the very high 30's over the weekend and also humid, layout is at a stand still, can't even work in under the pergola being 35 degrees.
Hope you are ok in the UK , I am fine thankyou
Nice camera I had one of those lens  that doubled the zoom on another camera years back, my camera I have now I need to buy a tripod as well I can't hold it in place in full zoom 1400mm.
What setting did you use on your camera to get that pic and shutter speed, I am jealous.
Have you had any sign of snow where you live in London, send some my way to cool the hot days down being to dam hot and humid. This Saturday is going to be cooler but I will be at my train club, rostered on duty officer, be nice in the club rooms with 7 AC's both sides of the layout.
You guys have being busy over the weekend lots of new setting to test out, guess what I can't open any of the bottom new ones, bloody windows 10, still can't access the Gallery square, very disappointed.

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Hi Tony :wave:

You can have all the damn snow from me you want ! ;)
Stuff is a nightmare here, when it comes !!
2 years back, spent Christmas & Boxing Day with NO ELECTRIC :f:
Should get a generator really.

Tony, I think the camera may well have been set on maximum aperture for the lens-convertor combo.
ASA, maybe about 400.
Shutter-speed, perhaps around 1/30.
Fairly easy to find a workable combination.
Bloody cold that night though.
Very clear air & winter sky though.

Sorry to hear you are having problems with Windows-10.
We haven't changed any settings here at Freerails in fact at all.

You should see the 'G' if your 'Theme' is set to either 'AI Blue' or 'Ultra'.
Check your 'Themes' in the Preferences Menu.
Or of course, attachments are Postable using the button at the bottom of the Posting window as well.
Your Moon was done like that, I see.

Good luck with Windows-10, new software can sometimes be a bitch.

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Stay C O O L and near the air-con. ;)

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Hi Si, by all means would have to have a refrigerated container to send the snow, ha, ha ;)
Thanks for the advice on the camera setting will give that a go, I use the ASA 400 setting a lot, in some ways I should of bought a Cannon camera for manual focus, mine is auto and can zoom in manual mode.
I have the setting set in Ultra have that nice blue colour, what I do is I save the  gallery link in my favourites easy to access the gallery pics  form there.
Got a cool change coming in this weekend can't do any work on the layout Saturday  duty officer at my train club Sunday is even cooler 28 degrees will make the most of finishing off the last approach module to the station modules, pics to follow. Gee it has take me 2 and a half years to get this far, hopefully have a train running by March might see me jumping un and down.:cb::bg::slow:. That is the whole front of the layout with the spiral to the car port.
Tony, keep warm.

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Have finely finished levelling the last two approach modules northern end cut the legs to size and screwed them in temporary till next week where I will drill the hols and countersunk them for the quarter inch bolts plus screw in place a hinge so the leg can fold inside the module.
Sadly I can't access pics from my gallery without a page coming up Free rails needs info from you- image URL, what does this mean now, will have to go back to one pic per page bugger, hopefully get sorted out., I can't access the G for gallery unless I changee to Chrome instead of windows 10.
Not far now off now next week after Christmas will set up all the front modules and spiral, also have got cut out the decking doing down past the car onto to a 8ft curve radius onto the back corner module onto the cable stay bridge. I have cut a jig for the level for a 2 percent grade or can level the track to the bridge., the bridge will have a higher clearance to water line.

Merry Christmas, Tony from down under

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Merry Christmas to everyone in Free rails .
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Sadly I can't change my windows from Edge to IEP or Firefox my son said not a good idea will upset my circuity only one pic per post until another update in Google or windows fix the problem.
 Have done some more work on the layout seeing how the track bed decking fit to the changes in the track plan, have cut the length back two feet works out better in the car port area with the 7foot radius curve. Got plans for a back scene covering the back of the car and a curved single track viaduct look good.
Will have to figure out which way I will go with my control panel if I go one panel per block and walk around cab switching to radio control, hoping to share two 6amp transformers for the power to the layout need advice there, using rotary switches to control each throttle

Pic two is where the back corner module joins onto the cable stay bridge
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Pic three is where I plan to have the foot curve viaduct and mountain back scene

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Pic four is the view of the track beside the car again I can have a mountain cutting  scene there as well  will a small tunnel on the curve track
The next job now is the level the track to a 2 percent grade, 1 in 50 I have being told and have made a special jig works out quarter inch a foot to easy, there is a level you can buy that has the attachment be pretty dear to buy.
No work today and the weekend be too dam hot Saturday peaking 40 degrees today is peaking 35 degrees, cooler week next week, be working on my second railway station.
 Happy new year to everyone, Tony from down under

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If anyone from OZ has Netflix, they have a rail doco on Norwegian rail called Bergen to Solo 7 hours of pure magic the best cab ride I have scene this line goes through the mountains so lots of tunnels snow sheds and the scenery is mind blowing changing all the time
I also found the doco on you tube if anyone is interested I will post the link on the next email it took four nights to watch the doco, in the mean time I found another link that has pics and a map plus a video clip to watch not all of the line, the doco was made to do with a 100 years of the line.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_Line 


Happy new year to everyone in OZ and everyone else tomorrow night their time.
Tony from down under :Salute::2t::bow::glad::thumb::cool::bg:;)

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Just remember not to back the car out at the wrong time Tony. :>;) Good work getting your extra power to the Pommie loco. Always a problem with plastic bodies and lots of carrying wheels taking what little traction there is away from the drivers. I can't remember any mechs being suitable for building a 60 class. Maybe you might come across an old DJH kit unbuilt for sale. Given you seem to have stuff from all over the place, if you just want a Garratt perhaps look into the pommie one (LMS?), might be able to make use of a couple of cheap OO mechs! all the best Bob

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style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"Good one Bob, it happens be easy just unplug the bus wires and undo a couple of screws and lift  the two sections out the way.
Thanks I be on the look out for a couple of cheap megs, need the bogies as well, problem with the 00 scale megs the wheel size, I have seen pics of the LMS one.
I have a few projects I want to finish next year , the  UP DD35 make up the hand rails paint and put on decals, loco has two motors., matches up with my DD40 loco
Same to you Bob,, going to be a stinker here today, redrawing the rack plan  in the oool lounge room.
Tony

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Sadly I can't even use my sons computer to upload pics to my post very disappointing I did what  John said to do what is so frustrating is I could open my folder from the Gallery button but when I left clicked the pic it came up with a system error, end of that idea.:bang:
Looks like back to one pic or each post, bugger, I am still trying to con my wife into letting me buy an ex-government Lap top
Thanks for your help John:Salute:
I will have to do series of three post with one pic at a time, showing different angles of the second station building I will be modelling.
The station is East Perth terminus where the famous Indian pacific ends her journey across Australia three nights.

First pic is the front view from car park
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This pic is is a closer view the car past and front entrance
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Third pic is  the platform  entrance, my version be slightly different  with not so much detail take too long to build  and hard trying to copy from a pics.
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Hi Tony :wave:


Nice to see the pix.

I checked the new photos that you uploaded to your Gallery.

At this end, here I can click on all of the recent ones & see them enlarged as normal.

You have obviously uploaded them, totally fine.

The puzzle is still ...

... why your computer won't let you click on them normaly ?

Mmm...

Damn 'puters is all I can say.

Oh well, the pix are up & here, which is good.


Personaly, I always show 1 photo per Post.

Many users have SLOW connections & Pages with zillions of photos on are simply a pain in the butt !

I very OFTEN terminate Pages like that, on my cellphone, since if they contain a ridiculous amount, like 15 MegaBytes of images, they have INSANE loading times, unless you have fibre up your . . .

All the best.


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If the one you have still works try installing Linux, probably you will be surprised with improvement.... and it's free.
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Hi Jose, is Linux  a photo hosting programme could you sent me the link, the Aussie link you have to pay a monthly fee depends if it is the same mob, Linux.com.au.
There is another photo hosting called imgur, my son said it is meant for forum posting not all lost.. My son said he will send me the link to Imgur


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Here is the next set of three pics of East Perth terminus station pics
Looking over from the suburban platform bridge where the Indian Pacific pulls into
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Pic two is of the northern end entrance to the station building.
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Final pic of series two is of the Indian Pacific ready to depart back to Sydney via Adelaide.
I actually have this loco NR28 by Austrains, nice loco, but now has a different colour scheme can't keep up
The platform is the longest platform in Australia can hold 28 passenger cars, you can check it out on Google Earth.
Where the train will change to Sydney Central , I am modifying the module so that the  section with the loco and few coaches lift out to a pedestrian  walk way from the road level SC to  access  the suburban platforms, that's the plan , more pics to follow.
Enjoy, Tony from down under
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Hi Si, What a bugger you can't just save the link of just the first set of 6 pics would could that happen.
At least I can access some of those top squares a pity about the main, I think I may be back in business joining a hosting mob that changes your pic into an URL link.
OH yeah the last pic I posted is  my favourite pic, a pity it has copy right didn't notice till it was too late, can you delete it, or will it be ok  thanks, Indian  Pacific train, with the blue loco. (EDIT - photo deleted as requested - JG Mod)

The only problem with one pic per post you go through a lot of post.
We are still having a mild January, ok in under cover but in the afternoon the humidity gets you, how are you coping with winter bloody cold.
tomorrow  I be back on my layout modifying a  module the will become two different station scenes by lifting the station building and some platform out the way, can't wait to run my first train probably being a freight train, stay tunned .
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Use wikimedia commons - the pictures there are all free. E.g. this one: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NR28_%2B_IP_Mt_Lawley,_2014(1).JPG?uselang=en

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Thanks Si I found another pic of Indian Pacific ready to depart of a sister loco, only showing a couple of cars and East Perth terminal building in the back ground, this pic doesn't have copy right.
Hoping to get out and finish modifying the first station module that will become a different station scene, the weather is going to slow work down being raining off and on since  early this morning, rather cut timber out on the grass less mess not to be.

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HI Helmut, thanks for the link I had a good look at Wikiemedia commons a lot of mucking around to upload a pic, especially someone else's pic. that pic a good pic as well, what did you go through to upload it.
Great to hear from you in Germany, I have German background from mother and father.
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" Thanks Si I found another pic of Indian Pacific ready to depart of a sister loco, only showing a couple of cars and East Perth terminal building in the back ground, this pic doesn't have copy right."


Hi Tony


I'm not sure what the 'Thanks Si.' is for; it's the first I have seen of this.


" the last pic I posted is my favourite pic, a pity it has copy right didn't notice till it was too late "


Copyright is somewhat of a 'grey area'; but Posting photos that have a CLEAR notice of photographer & copyright ISN'T !


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Hi Si, I thought you took the pic off, when the pic is a thumbnail size you can't see the copyright, I had a look at the pic in my folder, I like that pic because I have the module of the same  loco is the only copy right pic I have saved.

A question what about Google Earth can you post those pics, there is a pic I want to post showing what I plan to model changing station scenes on the first station module changing Sydney Central to East Perth Station.
I modified the first station module today so is ready to go one day next week setting up all the front modules.

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John ( JG ) seems to have taken the copyright photo out, not me.


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That is not so my favourite pic any more deleted it no more copy right pics in my folders, I have to right click the pic to enlarge it, first mistake didn't enlarge it before posting the pic.

I found another pic of my loco IP NR28 shunting the auto car carriers East Perth terminal
to save room in picture folders all my pics are thumb nail size.
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Found a good areal pic looking at the front view of Sydney Central building, to the bottom left  of the pic is what I was working on today modifying the module so I can lift off the building platform to change to anther scene East Perth. I wont be modifying the front of the module  till when I start building the last three  station modules towards the end of the year there will b a 3inch walk way so I will have to move back the front side frame back about 100mm, there will as in the pic brick arch wall  later, lots to do to keep busy.
I made the ply cover so I can lift it out with ease, there be double track on the top end of the ply.

Next pic will show the modifying of the module,
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I like to think a head when  building the module be less work and once track and bus wiring is done be hard to modify the module, I have  to shift the black piece of ply in more 3 inches, I forgot there is a walk way and some shops in under the first level, leave that to after I build the other module beside this one, I know a modeller that built an N scale model of Sydney central took him about 4 years to complete.
The next two pics will show the two walk ways the one in the front and the side one, which are the pics I took when I visited SC early October last year, hopping to go back for another visit to take more pics, the pics I missed, ran out of time.


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Here is the pic I took  of the walk way road level Sydney Central late last year with the brick arches, I won't be going that far with the fancy brick work, will just cut the arches out of 6mm ply and mark the bricks be the quicker way to go.


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This is the other pic showing the path way in under the first floor of Sydney Central at the end is escalators, ground level to the first floor  is quite high about 4 inches in HO scale, escalators are quite steep
I will have to shift the black ply in three to four  inches
More pics tomorrow.

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Another angle pic of the access walk way between the mainline track and building, in the next pic will show what walk way be modelled on when finished.
You can see the top lift out piece of ply that covers the walk way easy to lift out y unscrewing the screws.
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In this pic will look like when finished I will cut the arch as well an model beyond the entrance, still will look good, can work on the module once the layout is up and running.

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Here is a pic of the escalators, this one isn't too bad not so steep, but the next pic you will see, no way I was  going to tackle walking down those steps, was bad enough going down the escalators.
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A friend was telling me a few people have come to grief   on these stairs, be a challenge to model the steps and escalators too. I took quite a few pics that afternoon a bugger my digital SLR camera's battery was dead, used my iPhone 6s to take the pics I thing the SLR camera is on the way out with the mobile phone improving in every new model.

Tony from down under, enjoy

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Here is the final pic of this series of Camdale layout statin module complex showing how I am bolting the first station module to the front spiral approach corner module, the wing nuts make it easy.
On the other side of the corner module will be a road with the bus terminal go back to the88th post you will see the buses, more money buying HO scale buses never ends, of course with East Perth scene the road wont be there.
No work on the layout this week, form tomorrow on it is going to be dam hot, was planning Thursday that is out 38 degrees Friday the same and Saturday will hit 40 degrees + I be at my train club, Sunday out fingers crossed Monday is cooler  big day be setting up all the front modules, including the car port.
There will be another six inch ply strip with three tracks in front of the three  modules, finishing the first set of station modules stage one.

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It looks like I will have to go back to the draw bar between the two powered tenders of my famous Flying Scot, I think it is the stiff wires powering the second tender the kadee's kept on uncoupling.
I made a mistake and bough 8 of those cheap coachers from your model railway layout magazine, only coast me $8 a coach can't really complain, I will body mount the kadees.they keep on derailing mainly on points the wheels are plastic not a bad coach need a bit of TLC, any hints there.
Here is a pic of my Flying Scot 4472 , both motors are matching motors once I put the draw bar back on will solder the wires where the heat shrink is not soldered yet.

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Here is a pic of Hornby Flying Scot duel tender powered with the water tender covering the second motor.

Took some time to get the two tenders to work with some help, I am looking at building my own Garratt loco too expensive to buy  RTR a matter of buying for a good price two cheap 4-8-4 steamies

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I made the most of it today as I said I set up all the front station modules and both approach module ends to the spiral. Forgot the  concrete pergola wasn't square when I first set up the front modules 30mm out so I when I straightened p the front modules I had check the  levels on each module which e=was  out and had to cut the legs thank god I gave got the Ryobi 18volt electric saw no lead made it easier to cut the legs.
Didn't have time to set up all the spiral have to wait till next time but now I can start painting the station modules 6 to paint, nail the track down and that bus wiring.
The 7th front module I still have to do some work in working out  how I will cut the module side frames starts at 1 and 1//2 inches high to 4 inches and a car port post is in the way as well.
Here is pic one of todays effort, won't get back to the layout till Thursday now.
Bugger I can't post more than one pic at the moment, has anyone heard of imgur you have a choice of uploading pics to URL , thinking of joining them as they are free to join .

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Just post the next pic(s) without text in more posts.

If your wheels are coming off in the points, have you checked the BTB?
14.4mm BTB is a good starting point for toy market wheels through Peco points if you don't possess a standards gauge.
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Hi Bob the first pic I to explain what I am doing and the next pics  just a couple of lines.
The problem is more than the wheels, the bogies are the issue too not enough swing and the couplers catch as well so on those hot days I will work on each coach could go as far are replacing the bogies all together with good Bachmann bogies as the coach is a cheaper vision of the  Bachman British coach.
Did have  time to set up all of the spiral comes around on the pathway to the garden shed  and on the other side of the pergola post to a six foot radius curve S bend.

The main spiral has a 7ft radius double track curve on a 2percent grade HO scale locos will handle the grade with no problem.
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Next pic is what I use to solder the track down on the module joins those b PVC computer circuit board cut in quarter inch strips works well. Iam not actually down on my knees nailing track  down cutting the modules joins, do that on saw stools with an extra height extension to get it up to the right height where I am not bending down too much same with the wiring as well.
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Is this thr right way to wire up a 3pole 4 position rotary switch, switching three throttles and fourth position  centre off and later DCC.

The bottom of the switch has 12 pins the first 4 are used fro LED indicators, this the plan pin5 to pin 12, second pin6 to pin 11 third pin7 to pin10  centre off or DCC pin8 to pin 9.

The pic I have found isn't the same but pretty close difference is the pic has four poles do away with pole C and, pole A is used for the common pin on LEDS  and other two to the track, I will have to experiment or someone can help me out be great.
The track plan stage one has 10 blocks, am thinking of  one big panel b too many wires  design the panel   so it can grow with the layout, point motor switches be on a different panel., a new project on the way.

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I find it a bit hard to give any advice based on your description.

First off do you have a basic outline of your proposed layout?
Also how many people do you realistically expect to be running trains at any one time?

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Hi Bob I did a drawing of 12 pins of the rotary switch, didn't get a chance to make a start on the control panel will tomorrow, went to Jar-car to buy those terminal strips and LED holders to make the front of the panel neat.

Also bought a new gate latch bloody cost $71 but when I got home from Bunning I found that there was a missing part the gate latch for the other gate, my spotted that the package was retaped up, took it back great they gave me my money back.
How are you going with your station building repair??
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Forgot to answer your question, I will be running two trains at once should be easier with rotary switching, layout is 53ft long by 30ft wide stage one ten blocks added on with another five later, the control panel  be plug and play all block wiring numbered.
The other throttle be a local throttle for shunting in the station all throttles have their own trannie, I like to have a DPDT  as a direction switch as well.
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Looks like a recipe for a nightmare as the layout expands changes. Step back and take a deep breath. Can you draw me a block diagram of your proposed layout. e.g.

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Morning Bob, no worries I will work on a track block plan  as soon as I can, working on the control panel today drilling the holes for the rotary switches and LED holders.Yeah that is the trouble with DC to run more than one train all the wiring switches and so on, correct a nightmare but worth the effort, DCC is the answer cuts out half of the wiring.one day will switch to DCC.
It is a nice morning here low 30's, I am going to be buys for sometime:P
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My suggestion for a dc layout would be to consign that rotary switch to the spare parts bin until a better use can be found for it and buy yourself some DPDTCO switches and some SPST switches for isolating tracks in loco storage sidings.
This will allow a consistent and expandable method of layout wiring.

Most home layouts and a few club layouts I have wired have rarely required more than keys up/down for two road throttles and remote local /switch for any dedicated yard throttles.

DCC can be added as an option on either the keys up or down feed using a DPDT switch. The power should be pulled on all dc throttles before plugging in the DCC power supply to prevent an expensive ooopppss!!

Over the years I have found that the big and bulky switches such as Jaycar ST0576 and ST0570 to be cheaper and more reliable than the miniature switches. The screws are removed and connections soldered to the ST7056 tags.

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Guess what I got the rotary switch to work only wired in two throttles and used a 12volt test light and bingo on a high but my friend was wrong on how he said to wire up the other two poles to the track,(light). Go back 5 posts on the drawing the poles ABC. I had to solder the Blue wire to A as well as the LED using A,B  in the red wire pole for the track, tomorrow I will start on the control panel and have it ready to take it to AMRA as one of the members is  an Energex linesman  he has done a lot of the wiring on AMRA's layout, show him to make sure it is wired up right.
Do you still want to see a block drawing of my layout, mowing the yard soon, gee mowing every week now I don't like to see the coach grass to grow to high, I don't the yard low  at all burns the grass and weeds take over, haven't got a weed in the yard now end of Feb going to top drew the yard.
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Hi Bob C: I am going to take your advice and put those rotary switches to the spare parts bin, I have heaps of DPDT switches, I know how to wire DC duel cab control but how do you wire more DPDT switches to ad more throttles, I want two more for Local running in the station, siding and loco service facility and later staging yard and also LED indicators to high light each throttle in use.
The outside pins of the DPDT is for the cabs and centre pins is for the track, whew does the next DPDT get wired in.
I will draw up the layout showing the bocks tonight , 1be 16 in stage one.
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H all, my control project is at a stand sill, had problems with wiring the rotary switch, the bare wires on the LED's touched, I think I shorted out a resistor and  upset the trannie as well, will check the trannie tonight and unscrew the LED's, made up a temporary rotary switch with the four LEDS, not a good idea, to play safe will have to build the control and mount the rotary switches permanently where the bare LED wires wont  bump the other wire. 
I will have to have a dual cab DC set up using DPDT switches I find out how to wire the rotary switch in the spare parts draw for the time being.
When I buy a loco like to find the real loco, I now have two Indian Pacific NR class locos the first IP NR loco I bought is NR28 named Port Augusta and found anew pic at  taken at a different angle second NR is IP NR18 she had a new yellow colour scheme with a new IP loo very stunning indeed. Have the coaches as well 18 of them , over 15 feet long, modelled on IP that runs off peak time, peak time GSR run 28 passenger cars and when arriving at Sydney Central has to be split up on two platforms I can't wait to do that, not to next year.
Here is a pic of my newest NR IP loco NR 18 is on my desk top pic as well pure awesome.

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Here is my other IP NR28 sadly I can't double head with NR18 different gearing, NR28 is a slower loco , I double head NR28 with another Pacific National NR62 and NR18 I double head NR84 which had has a Southern Spirit colour scheme has the same gearing as NR18.

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Tony, the way I have wired most of the last layouts I have done is to  have one DPDT switch for two throttles. These are normally used for the main lines or one can be used to operate over the whole layout if you are on your own. These two throttles are portable on a big layout.  The switches are installed such that they are thrown up and down not sideways. This is called 'keys up/keys down' operation and the throttles associated are the keys up or down throttles. At each yard where shunting is going to be done a local throttle can be installed. This throttle is fixed, usually on a long cord so the operator can throw the points, uncouple etc while still having the controller in hand. On a tiny yard where everything can be reached while sitting it could be just a panel mounted controller. The yard/station areas are usually arranged so that all shunting can be done independently of the main lines. At each of these locations there is another DPDT switch. It is labelled 'local/ remote". By throwing it to local, the keys up/down switch is disconnected from the yard feed and the local throttle is connected. This wiring method allows for two players to be running trains on the main lines and another player to be shunting at each yard. By using DPDTCO (centre off) switches those switches can be used as section isolating switches when required. I also only use one set of contacts of the DPDTCO switches as I wire layouts up for common return. The other contacts can be used for something else later if required. Each controller must have a separate transformer powering it for common return wiring. In conjunction with this method we often did away with lots of remote point switching. The points at each yard/station were operated by hand.... cheaper/more reliable/ and much more intuitive. On some layouts the points on the main line(s) were operated remotely at a panel for convenience. Here is a pic showing the basic idea.  To use DCC instead of dc on a layout I usually connect the DCC controller to either the keys up or down feed.  This is just another DPDT switch in (say) the feed coming directly out of the keys up controller before it gets to any other switch. It is labelled 'keys up/ DCC'.   Then throw all keys up and you have a DCC layout . The DCC power is only turned on after disconnecting all the dc controllers from power. cheers  BobC

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Here is a pic showing the installation option of DCC power on the layout.

I have not mentioned layouts such as ones with a branch line as well as the double track main line and those with more than two main lines.
 
The branch line was wired up in the manner of a yard/station with its own local controller.

I have not wired up a layout with more than two main lines using this method. If I ever have to I will give it some thought. Once you get past a certain complexity DCC is the sensible option. I have no wish to indulge in progressive cab control again. :>;)

A big advantage of this method over the banks of rotary switches is the ease of fault finding for the less technically inclined.
There was also a lot less of the "who's got my train?" as someone switched a rotary section switch to controller 5 instead of 6 etc. :>;)

Look forward to seeing your block diagram.
cheers
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Hi Bob, many thanks for the drawing of the DPDT switches, so if I want another local throttle just continue on with a third DPDT, now the question what about add LED indicators where do they get wire in, like to high light each block that s in use.
Have t agree with what you say about tracing wire problems, they say keep I simple  and rotary switches be a pain as I have found out, stuffed up my old CDA trannie going to ask my brother-in-law to make me up another trannie may be 3amp this time, he is a electrical fitter for QR, he made up a 6amp trannie for me.
Will need 45 DPDT switches for the main bus wire panel, must ask you what is a DPDTCO switch never heard of them, could it have 8 pins.
I have taken a pic of my track plan post it on your next post.
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Hi Bob, thanks again have to study the wiring drawing, wont need that for a while, talk about DCC I am looking into Hornby DCC as they a computer interface in one of their models probably have to pay a bit more but a bloke choose Hornby to Lenz was raving.
If I spend a bit more my son will be able to drive a train from his computer all goes well, now to con my wife:P.
Here is a pic of my track plan, the first main panel will have 15 blocks can add on as I build more modules, haven't even added in the loco service facility will have a turn table to turn 3801 around mine doesn't have a front coupler Lima brand nice detail is ok the loco facility will have it's own power supply or local DPDT switch what do you think.

We are copping hot weather here in the high 30's can't do much out side, the next week much the same, layout at a stand still, will have to work on the station building plans but can paint the modules in the morning and late afternoon.
I won't be actually having much siding at all only one, have to have a reverse loop to turn the IP around, not much scenery other that the station building and double deck bridge corner modules.

Hope you can work out the where the blocks are all up for the whole mainline and station complex when finished 30 blocks, a lot of DPDT switches., enjoy .
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The CO refers to centre off as outlined. The Jaycar part number ST0576 I gave are DPDTCO switches.
 If you toggle the switch and it has 3 positions (left, middle and right) then it is centre off.

Forget the LEDs for the moment.

I have draw what I think is a block diagram of your layout plan as it stands.
A station area and a single track mainline loop with a reversing loop inserted into it.

Do I have that bit right so far?

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Hi Bob, I will go to Jar-Car and have a look at them, I have so many DPDT switches got a draw full, a few years back I came across a bargain on EBay but have to watch the heat when soldering the plastic will melt, should of paid a bit more for my soldering iron got a Weller that can control the heat, you can adjust them in the soldering stick, I use a wet sponge to cool the tip down with a wet sponge cleans the tip at the same time.
You are spot on with the reverse loop, I am hopping to do away with another DPDT switch which changes the polarity, the loop is over 35feet in length can stretch it longer , become another block just need the up and down DPDT, that's the plan.
I managed to do a bit of work on the station module today replaces the two inch screws with two one inch countersunk bolts, used those T bolts worked out well ready to paint three modules starting tomorrow morning before it gets too hot.
Will have to get stuck into the new control panel petty soon will need it when I complete from the right back corner module darting around to the spiral up to the station modules onto the car port end to left back corner module be an exciting day when the first test train runs.
I be able to add on the LED block on the panel indicators later then.
How are you going with your station building repair.
Be taking a couple of pics of my two Austrains NR28 and NR18 tomorrow, got 7of those locos.

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Those cheap switches can easily be damaged, one of the reasons I recommend the big ones. I suggest they be used as isolating switches rather than throw them initially if they still work. Easy to replace when they play up and easy to fault find when they are only responsible for turning the power on/off on a short length of track.

If you insist on a reverse loop then it will need to be fed with some means of reversing the polarity. It can be automated but again I suggest a DPDT switch to start.

What you currently have is a plan that may be used for running two trains depending on the station arrangement. One running on the main and one shunting in the yard.

My station is on hold until get the corrugate.

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Hi Bob, thanks I will have to put in an extra DPDT switch to switch the p0larity wont be happening straight away aiming to go up the first circuit up and running with passing loop.
The double track on the front of the layout will be split as well so I can hold a train in the station and a second one come up from behind, dream is having four friends running trains on the main line, or shunting in the station.
Have you heard of gray board or mount board I am looking at using if we can get it over here for my station building.
Took a pic of my control panel from the last layout, yellow and silver switches are the DTDP switches for the blocks and blue switches are for the points, I even had two sets of working signals on each point that was further away from the panel, signals were on a signal bridge and I could take it off to pack the modules away. Dam hot here  38 degrees in the sun 34 degrees in under the pergola.
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I finely took a pic of my Austrains Indian Pacific NR18 same as the real loco, I have 18 Indian Pacific Lima passenger cars one day will have an extra 10.
Will have to wait now to next year what I start working on stage two of the station complex so I can have fun driving the IP into platform one Sydney Central or two and three if the train is any longer.

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Here is a pic of my first Indian Pacific loco from ,Australians NR28 Port Augusta sadly NR28 has a new colour scheme and no name board.
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Tony ,there is some confusion in the names of things. I will assume it is paper covered thin foam board you are referring too. You might try office works.
Art mounting board is thick cardboard and that has been another choice of material for some... know any picture framers?
In HO I normally built in styrene. However I have built a few structures out of thin and thick cardboard as found in newsagents.
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Hi Bob, yes that is correct the board is used for picture framing backing, there is an art shop in Ipswich across the road from a hobby shop go to , will check them out when I go up to buy more track, be enough track to build the first circuit and pushing it passing loops.
I have used the 1mm thick cardboard to build a 737 fuselage for a train load planning to build more fuselages about 6 of them, something different and have tried to build those wind turbine blades as well out of the same stuff, I need something that will bend while travelling around on a curve, that cardboard is too rigid
Need the stuff that will cut ok with a knife and be rigid, my Sydney Central station building has about 5 levels from ground level, will have to build the building in three sections.
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Just joined imgur so I can post more than one pic , but had to set up a second  pager so I canswitch between both, fingers crossed it will work, so here we go
WOW I am back in business a lot of mucking around, will take a pic of the screen tomorrow, this is how I did with the help of my son and wife. Had to open two screens at the top imgur one side and Free rails the other just a matter of flicking between each other, it will be a learning process, long time coming
Haven't worked out how to type between the pics as yet but it will come, bottom pic is how I bolt the first station module to the spiral corner model with the four legs on the module just a matter of sliding the module in and put the bolts and tighten up the wing nuts.
Second pic is the module in place, top pic shows the module join, has turned out well ready for painting the station modules then lay the track and bus wiring never ending, I hope the second pic isn't too big I did resize them down to 103KB.
Quite happy on a big high, had to join imgur for it to happen but worth it.
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It wasn't to bad a day yesterday so I made the most of it and improved  the spiral by making it a foot longer and replacing a straight section with a 12ft quarter curve  section on the back of the spiral close to the shed.





The first pic shows the new 6ft quarter radius S bend , got scenery plans  there .





The last two pics are of different angles of the spiral , the spiral of the 7ft curve seams to look steeper, but it isn't, I have made a special jig that keeps the level, level and drops down quarter in a foot so every 42inch drops down inch and a quarter, made a 6foot jig needed the piece of ply for a module side will have to make another one, pics to follow.
How easy is this posting more than one pic per post, once you know how, the main problem is windows 10 edge, I can't access the gallery at all and a few more buttons, , discovered imgar which you need to turn the pics into a link, bingo. 
On a high back in business, back on the pics next job is I will have to permanently cut the legs to size and improve them when folding them back. 
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Looks to be coming along well.
How quickly will you be able to get the exposed sections under cover when it rains?
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Hi Bob, thanks yeah sure is, today would of being a good day working on the layout as well a degree hotter, hasn't peaked as yet predicted to go to 32 degrees, not much happening outside going to make a start on the control panel.
I bought some 12volt bulbs and holders today while I was at Jar-car, I want to use the light bulb for short  pretention on the track, be joining  two throttles on one trannie,, both trannies are 6amp, remote is 3amp and the panel throttle is two amp.
I plan to make covers for the outside sections from that plastic board they use for posters on election campaign, should be able to shift the section pretty quick but will be keeping an eye on the weather forecast, if a storm is on its way will pack the layout up wont be doing much running on hot days.
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Here is a link to a Lima servicing guide.
Might prove useful if you have some growlers.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s90kqr24stcf75t/lima%20service.pdf?dl=0

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Morning Bob, thanks for that link on maintenance on the Lima pancake motor I have saved it and will come in handy when I clean the four motors, on those cold winter days better make the most of the nice days, I have problems with those cold westerly winds.
Keep an eye on my post as I be posting more pics today of finely extending the track into the first station module from the spiral corner module, today I be soldering the feeder wires ion the piece of 6 inch track module join and station module, coming along .
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Robert Comerford wrote: Here is a link to a Lima servicing guide.
Might prove useful if you have some growlers.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s90kqr24stcf75t/lima%20service.pdf?dl=0

cheers BobC
I still have one or two 1980s HO locos, thanks!

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I have finely got track across from the spiral corner module to the first station module, not bad effort yesterday afternoon, now the job in soldering the feeder wires to the six inch piece of track before the module join and continuing on with the bus wiring.

As soon as I finish nailing the track down on the other two station modules and the bus wiring I will have to make a start on the new control panel, there be four throttles controlled by a three pole 4 way rotary switch and each position   will have  a colour LED light up that  throttle.


 



Looking at this pic have levelled the two modules so I am not bending down on my knees nailing the track down or doing the wiring, I can clamp the module on its side to staple the bus wires in under the module and push the feeder wires through the hole drilled beside the track.

I actually make up the bus wires as a harness like the car wiring and solder the feeder wires on top of the module no sore back the beauty of a module layout, can also trace a fault in the bus wiring as well, I now have one of those  multi metres got to learn how to use it.



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The last pic shows how I how the track down on the module join using those plastic coated computer circuit boards cut in strips works out well, I use a screw in case I have to adjust the track on the module join.

Can't run a test loco till I finish the three station modules the approach modules at the other end  and spiral a little way off yet. The  two tracks are going to the temporary main line till I add on the extension to the front  of the station modules will have three tracks on that extension .

I am happy not I can post more than one pic per post , once I get further ahead on the station modules I will upload them into my gallery.

Enjoy the pics, Tony from down under.

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I have modified  the spiral corner module only the track to join up with the new  modified suburban station and passing loop extension in front of the  main station modules have widened the front strip so I can add in an excess ramp.



The first pic where the block of gray wood is the start of the island platform the platform be about 5 inches wide enough for  wide steps down to the access tunnel linking the station building .



Second pic shows the passing loop, going to a bit of work on the module join which be cut on a slight angle,


I could add in another single track platform as well, only the first Suburban station extension only needs to be 12 inches wide the other two 9inches wide.

Now I have to resolder the feeder wires to the new track another day, love mock-up modules jives you an idea how the track will go to the plan on when the right 7ft length is cut.
The new track work looks pretty close to the track work at East Perth terminus station where the Indian Pacific ends here journey and heads back to Sydney via Adelaide.

Here is the pic again o Sydney  Central station, the ramp in question is on the left and bottom side of the pic 

Tony from down under

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My last running day at my train club didn't renew my membership, I took a video of my famous Dual powered tender drive Flying Scot 4472,. She only had trouble half way through the video where she moved backwards on the passing loop with the other train passing through, took a couple of stations before all the coaches bogies were back on the track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc6in3h4Fjg&feature=youtu.be










Looking at this pic you will have to put some plus to see the new solid draw bar which made a big difference especially when going around the spiral had trouble in the past with wheel slip she passed in flying colours even stoping on a grade and moving off with out any wheel spin.
Next video be of my own layout, aiming for end of June being the big day, by then I hope to have those last three maroon coaches  with better bogies you ill see in the video.

They are from that your model railway mag, I bought 6 of them can't complain $8AU doesn't pay to buy cheap coaches.
Enjoy the pics and video, Tony from down under.


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Hi Tony :wave:


I like the double-tender L.N.E.R Scotsman ! :bg:


I quite fancy the L.N.E.R Mallard. :cool:


Might look a bit weird in an American downtown switching yard though ! :shocked:


Boards are lookin' good.


John tells me it's HOT downunder ! and his car air-con BUST !! :f:


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Evening Si :rah:, many thanks that dual tender Flying Scott took ages to find, I decided to cheat and power the water tender as well, she sure has some grunt now both motors are matching 5 pole motors.

Yeah be awesome to have a dual tender Mallard, very hard to find onw but II think Hornby did one in 00 scale live steam, I got on the loco wish list a Dapol A4 steamy blue that has  steam looked good on video.

4472 with the dual tenders did do a tour in the mid 70's of the US and was nearly lost over there, I will have to dig out a Union Pacific DVD on the FS in a yard in Chicago.
Yes yesterday was a hot one 39 degrees in the sun and 35 in under the pergola, still can have s few hot days in May.:shocked:

The track laying is coming along nicely, cooler today raining at the moment get some more track laying after brekkie the rain should be gone by then .

Here is a couple more pics of my next favourite train Mehano Thaly's TGV missing the bar car which I hope to by buying soon from a  friend in Germany.





I am glad I have sorted out posting more than one pic per post now.
Is it still cold your end of the world.
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It's a bit of a drive from Ipswich over to AMRA Tony.It would be handy if you could get a club going over your side of the city again or you might be able to get a few locals to come and run with you.
I've kept my membership so I can make use of the various AMRA clubrooms when I get to travel again.
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Hi Tony :wave:


Yeah ... DOUBLE MOTORS !! ... :cool:


I guess if it was one of the locos with the motor in the boiler as well...


...it could be like an F-Unit A-B-B car set ! ;)


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Pleased to hear you have your new Windows-10 sorted out Tony.


As for the pictures.

It is always good to remember that not all of us have LIGHTNING FAST internet.

When Pages go say beyond 10 Photos on a Page, the loading times for some people just go through the roof !

Bearing in mind that most photo-host picture-serving is actually way way SLOWER than the Freerails server, Page loading times can just be crazy.


I have to say that VERY OFTEN when I encounter Pages like that, I terminate the Page before it finishes loading.

I know mostly who Posts Pages like this, but sadly it does mean that I do not follow their Threads as closely as I would like, due to insanely long loading times & phone data usage.


The alternative is to simply put a SENSIBLE number of photos on 1 Page.

After all, when we look at a normal book...

...how many photos does it have on 1 page ... 5 or 6 TOPS usually.

Then you turn to the next Page.

Freerails is no different to an electronic book & starting new Pages is easy, cheap, free & FAST !


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Evening Bob, yeah sure is 90k's both ways took an hour to get there, can agree is what I love to do is start up a new HO scale club in Ipswich, there is a N scale group used to be part of the old HO club died

A lot of effort to start up a club, as you say I couldn't do it on my own, my wife says no but if I can get some other support may be different, I am going to put on a display in a couple of library's in Ipswich

Wasn't as hot today 27 degrees got humid in the afternoon, I made the most of it laying down track on the second station module, and onto the  last station module soldered the track down and cut the track join on the module.

You copping some wild weather in NSW it is heading our way hitting us tomorrow but we had some heavy rain this morning.

Three hour dentist appointment tomorrow morning up early preparing for a crown on one of my molars.

Finish off the track laying Wednesday and starting the bus wiring, some of the bus wires don't need feeder wires, how do you strip the bus wire to solder on the feeder wires, is there a special wire cutter strippers????.
Tony

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Tony, I often use a T-rex type stripper (mines an old one from Jaycar)to allow soldering of the feeder wires to the bus. You just need to be careful when using them that they don't cut the bus wire.
Other options can be slicing one side of the insulation with a hobby knife, wrapping the wire around and soldering. By applying the solder and iron on the exposed side a reliable join can be made.
A pair of side cutters can also be used to pull back the insulation, but it takes practice.

Others use suitcase connectors but I am not a fan of them as both wires need to be the exact size required for a reliable joint.
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Morning Si, that be over kill, the A/4's with the motors in the boiler have some grunt and pull 11 coaches with ease with a price tag $200 +, took some time to get the two powered tenders working, now I can run the tenders with out the front loco.

We have had good broad band speeds for years, did start off dialup and yes was a pain, even 4G on the mobile phone is faster, than the old dial up, we have NBN her fibre to the house to the house, 100mb's a second, I thought you have faster that us with board band .

Yeah it took some time but what I had to do was change pic to URL link, it is like putting a you tube file on the forum .



The most pics I put on a post is 4 yeah agree what you are saying about the forum being like a book, I love the forum can get so much info and help and everyone is friendly .
Here is the pic again you can see the wires I piggy baked from he first tender motor, painted them black to look like air hoses, worked out well no one at the old train club could pick the wires, they never see this loco again, As far as I know I am the only one in QLD  that has done this, do you know anyone that has done so in the UK.
I reckon the forum is a bit like face book.
We are going to be copping wild weather the whole week , BOB has just gone through it .

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Hi Bob, wiring can be very time consuming especially the way I strip the wires  stripping the middle of a wire till now if only I can con my wife into buying it, Bunning sell it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHJR72oDGE8  .
AS you say you have to be carefully when stripping the wire , I sometime cut a strand, with this  tool no problems and so fast, I use a knife to cut the wire and peal the outer cover back and cut , takes time. will sure speed up the process of adding feeder wires to the bus wire, I make the bus wire up like a car harness wires, pics to follow .
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Tony, that version does work as it should. The reason I did not recommend one of that type of stripper is due to the wide variance in quality of those tools. Before buying I would advise a demo first.
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Evening Bob C, I had a look at the Irwin wire stripper, very nice indeed yes going to buy one tomorrow, the bloke at Bunning said I can try before buying, the main reason is splicing the wires to solder in the feeder wire will  speed  up how long it takes to solder them in, very nice feel as well..
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Hi Bob, I ended up buying those wire strippers after having a demo first well worth the money spent, will speed up when splicing the bus wires to solder  in the feeder wires.

What  I found you have to hold the first strip with your thumb nail or actually twist the feeder that will stop the  outer plastic stuff moving what I found, it is very quick a matter of getting the right technique.

The strippers replaces a the old wire stripper and knife also has a crimper as well, get rid of the big thing my brother in law gave me don't know how to use it anyway.
Brand is Irwin.

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Here is the new way I mark large radius curves with my beam compass, have tried using a tape measure, all I need is to  make an adjustable beam , have in the past marked out 6foot radius curves.











The last pic is the pivot end, I put it in an inch from the end of the beam, this curve decking is for the end of the lower level of the spiral four foot radius comes around onto a 6foot bridge and the back corner module after that module is the 27foot bridge.

The bridge be modelled on the Denmark to Sweden double deck cable stay bridge, I will be using 5mm dowel for the cables be 40 on mine the bridge isn't to true scale be 5metre span in HO scale and there is the approach sections on each side.

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Good, you have purchased a stripper you know works. The trammel with a pencil on the end is indeed a well known method of getting track laid to the desired diameter. I have used it many times. Outdoors we used a string line.
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Evening Bob C, yeah the wire stripper worked well, I was even stripping two wires at once, until I master the new stripper I had to use the other one to strip off a bit of wire cover on the feeder wire.

The last couple of days I have being working on the first and second block, it sure takes time when you have to cut the bus wires to go through three modules to the control panel at least there wasn't any feeder wires needed. Still a lot of work as I need to cut out a panel  one every second module for the wire plugs so the panel can slide up in under the module, having a rest the weekend, start planning the control panel I don't know if I will have a track plan on the panel, thinking of just marking what the block switch number is.
Was pretty hot here as well chased me inside the nice cool house peaked 36 degrees  and  humid as well, same the next couple of days .

Tony.

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I cut out and made the mini plug panel that will connect the bus wires from the first station module, the panel slides up in under the module I did the same on the older module layout.




The top pic shows the three different bus wire plugs, the double ones are two tracks small plug one track and the blue plug 25way computer plugs, I have already made the leads from the older layout and can be used again. Yes I have colour coded plug plan, got it down to a fine art soldering the wires to the back of the computer plug .






The last two pics the inside of the panel making sure I leave enough wire for the panel to slide freely, the ast pic is the best way to hide the panel and protect the plugs, have tried hinges this is the best way. Each module will have one panel at each end need three more.

Back to wiring bus wiring tomorrow, I bought some 19mmx42mm pine to replace the timber frame on the spiral corner module has caused the module to have a bow in it, next weeks project., coming along nicely, took all day to cut out and make that panel next one be easier.

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Had a very good day with the electrical department finished the second station module, started on the first station module, will finish it tomorrow afternoon. Can them move onto the third station module, e a lot harder as that module will have the wires splicing  off to the control panel, have to count how many blocks and making the larger plug panel.



The first pic shows how I solder the feeder wires to the bus wire, you can see the heat shrink, with the heat shrink I  drill  a hole in the middle of the cut heat shrink and then slide the heat shrink after soldering the feeder wires to the bus wire and with the solder iron shrink the heat shrink, what a fantastic product no more stick tape.



The next pic is the finished bus wire , the new wire stripped makes a big difference.




The last pic is the feeder wires ready to be soldered onto the track, got the feeder wiring down to a fine art now, making sure my soldering iron doesn't get too hot.

Will only post three pics per post, takes a lot of time, enjoy the progress of my layout.


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The last lot of three pics are of underneath the module showing the bus wiring.



The first pic is of the plug panel back, with the wires through to the bus wire plugs 



The second pic is the other end of the module waiting for the next module plug panel so the bus wires be cut to size, good to have a bit more wire.


Last pic is the plug panel closed in and the finished bus wires, I pair of the bus wire and twist the together after the feeder wired are soldered to the bus wires.

With the layout being so big I like to have feeder wires on every piece of track especially the pieces of track between the points. takes longer but worth it in the end.

Tony from down under


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Good to see it all coming along Tony
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Evening Bob, many thanks, I managed to solder the feeder wires to the bus wires for the first station module, thanks to the new wire stripper made it far easier to strip the wires managing to strip two wires at once.
Tony.


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