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This continues where the corrupted previous thread was damaged here in a way that you can't post anything new to it: http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=6389&forum_id=4

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I added a few extra figures to the Grindstaff Country Store along Stoney Creek road (a place that existed in real life, but didn't really look like this). I think now, it has the right look I've wanted all along.



I also ordered the Crumley/Pippin figures and got the confirmation that they're on the way. When I get them, I'm going to be spending a lot of time painting them to be sure I do them justice.

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I put these hooks into the fascia so I could hang the rerailers onto them for ease of access. Then, I added these cups onto the sides as well, bought at a local office supply place, and put in place for the bamboo skewers I use for uncouplers. I'll probably cut the skewers down a little bit, as they really don't need to be that long. But anyway, this is something I've been wanting to do for a while now.

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Hi Lee.

You might want to make it clear in post #1 that your PART ONE thread is perfectly OK to view.
Only it's ability to create NEW pages is not working.

It's not 'killed' ... But very much still alive !!

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Hi Lee.

I was looking at some auto diecasts recently, and thought of you.

The Matchbox 'Models Of Yesteryear' series is pretty wierd...
...cos they are all different scales.
A double-decker bus & a Model-T, all fit in the same sized box !

Anyway, there are a few nice 1:48 autos in the series.

This is the 1937 Cord 812 Sedan !

I could see one of these parked up at Stoney Creek somewhere.

There seem to be quite a few about, and not expensive...
...couple of different paint jobs as well.

:moose:

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This is the 1937 Cord 812 Sedan !

I could see one of these parked up at Stoney Creek somewhere.
While I always appreciate model suggestions, I couldn't possibly see one of these up Stoney Creek at any point in history.
The area has always been horribly depressed, economically. It's said that the Depression hit NE Tennessee long before there was a "five dollar word" for it. During WW2, nobody can recall anyone up there having a tractor, and that had nothing to do with gas rationing. Heck, the valley didn't even have electricity until the rural electrification act got it up there in the late 40s.
Anyone who could have afforded a Cord wouldn't have gotten gas for the thing in 1943.
No, you would have seen larger business vehicles with better ration cards and a very few small sedans and trucks for essential workers, doctors, and clergy up that way. And all those cars and trucks would have been older ones which were very well worn.

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I recently put these up, over the door as you exist the layout room. Most folks probably will never notice them.



The upper one is from a Department of Defense (DODX) depressed-center heavy flatcar that got scrapped*, with a 1976 date.
The lower is for a EMD GP38-2 that was delivered the same month I was born, so of course I had to have that plate as well...

*Here are some photos of that flat: http://rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?id=648862

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But they're not On30?? :P

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But they're not On30?? :PNo, they're not and I seriously pondered if I was going to post this or not, but since they are in the train room, I decided to go for it anyway...

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Hi Lee,
Keep up the good work! We need to see more of your trainroom :2t::bg:

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I just installed some back steps on one of my Depots, because as I looked at it I realized it was one heck of a drop from the threshold down to the gravel. That's what I'm doing with the layout now, I'm looking at things with an eye to determine whether they actually make any kind of real sense or not. If they don't, they get changed or corrected to what it would normally be like. So, there's no way a drop this high would still exist on the back door of the Depot like that.

I think it's little details like that, that makes a layout better...

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Getting some polypuff trees in the hills and pines and deciduous trees on the ground in place, slowly...

I'm also putting in bushes under things and along places where nobody would be going, like under this dock next to the small depot.

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I did some more tree work over the weekend...


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Lee--
Don't look now, but someone parked their Frisbee on top of no.11's stack-- First good chuff, and it might set a new frisbee altitude record.

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Herb Kephart wrote:
Don't look now, but someone parked their Frisbee on top of no.11's stackBelieve it or not, the ET&WNC painted their stack caps in red. Baldwin and their stack flair...

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I was looking for one of these push mowers for a long time and finally found one, due to Charlie over at the O scale forum. It's from the front of a Woodland Scenics structure.

Small details like this is what I'm focusing now, and I'm really enjoying this part of the layout build!

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Hi Lee,
Nice work, this is really starting to come together well.

Perhaps a (rocking?) chair or 2 out on the front porch to sit and watch the world go by on at the end of a hard day??

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Perhaps a (rocking?) chair or 2 out on the front porch to sit and watch the world go by on at the end of a hard day??Yes, a rocking chair would be very correct for a front porch in that time period. I've been looking for the right type, but might have to scratchbuild one...

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Hi Lee,
Maybe this one might do?
http://outbackmodels.com/Furniture/furniture.html
Given that 1 of our $'s is only equal to 3/4 of yours, this might be an option.

I have built two of the rocking chairs - they are a little fiddly to build but are OK when together. So here's a photo



The furniture is a laser cut on thick high-density card. The shed will reappear on my Corrimal thread sometime in the future

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I took some general photos with a better camera and played around with them. Mind you, this is without any special lighting and no tripod was used...







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Things are looking good Lee, especially for the short amount of time that you have been working on the RR.

Might I suggest that the area around the turntable is too ''nice''?

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Herb Kephart wrote:
Might I suggest that the area around the turntable is too ''nice''
Okay, so what'd be not 'nice'? I can't have a lot of scrap lying around as in the WW2 era, you wouldn't see that. You mean more weathering on the pit?

More shots from last night:



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Howdy Lee, your layout is really looking fine! The mountains are similar to what I have except that I need to invest more in masonite for more of them. The Tweetsie is another of my favorite narrow gauge lines.
Eat Taters & Wear No Clothes...

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W C Greene wrote:
Howdy Lee, your layout is really looking fine! The mountains are similar to what I have except that I need to invest more in masonite for more of them. The Tweetsie is another of my favorite narrow gauge lines.
Eat Taters & Wear No Clothes...
Thanks!
Funny, you don't see the name, "Tweetsie" nearly so much from the locals up there until the end of the 3-footer era. My parents both grew up right in that area, and saw the standard-gauge ET&WNC 2-8-0s plenty of times.
As for the backdrops, I used 1/4" MDF which doesn't need the reinforcement that Masonite does. I had all those cut out for mountain profiles in Masonite and I realized they wouldn't stand up on their own over time. So I threw all that out and re-cut everything as MDF. It stands up well on it's own, takes paint well and made for some sturdy backdrops. I got the idea on another (very large) local On30 layout, but he used particle board at least 1/2" thick.

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Lee--I didn't necessarily mean scrap--you are perfectly correct about scrap ''disappearing'' during that era. What I meant was cinders, mud puddles, weeds--that sort of stuff, not nicely trimmed grass when labor  was tight due to the draft.

But then, as Woodie says---It's YOUR railroad.

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Herb Kephart wrote:
Lee--I didn't necessarily mean scrap--you are perfectly correct about scrap ''disappearing'' during that era. What I meant was cinders, mud puddles, weeds--that sort of stuff, not nicely trimmed grass when labor  was tight due to the draft.

But then, as Woodie says---It's YOUR railroad.

I had such a horrible time trying to put static grass in place, I gave up with it. But more bushes and such are still coming into many places on the layout. I have a can of cinders and am placing it onto the layout now (note the photo of the white weathered building, there's a huge pile along the right of way). But yeah, puddles and such are needed. I have some clear resin for that and it's coming soon. I'm tempted to put grass into the area of the pit of the turntable there as many turntables had them.
These puts, though, represent newly-placed ones from just a few years previously.

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:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:

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Si. wrote:
:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:

Si.
WOW, a five-mooser! A record for me.
Thanks!

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At a model train this past weekend, I found this small (4" diameter) number plate. Yesterday, I screwed it onto the fascia of the layout. I think it looks really good where it is, as opposed to putting it on the wall, given its size.
While the back of the plate mentions the Virginia & Truckee, it's a good replica of the plate for ET&WNC # 11, which was the favorite locomotive of the crews for that railroad and is represented on the layout.

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The layout is looking great, Lee.

I had ambitions of catching up with you in terms of getting some scenic materials spread around and getting the turntable at Henderson completed.

But life intervened and my layout stands as it did in June.

Such is life.

With the settling in of the PNW winter (gray and rain), I have hopes of getting more work done on the layout.

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Thanks for the kind word, Reg! I'm sure that before long, you'll have caught up to where I am now. It's not a race, but I agree that sometimes, you need to have a goal to measure and often it can be paced with someone else's work.
I get what you mean about the rainy/grey. We're sure in the middle of it right now. Hopefully this will be the kind of Fall/Winter that allows for some sunny days every now and then.
I just HATE it when it gets windy. I live where there's a fragile power grid and I get quite nervous when the winds pick up (I guess because I was born and raised in Hurricane country and we'd lose power/water for a long time if a bad storm came through). I don't have a lot of fun in my layout room (which faces the prevailing winds from the SW) if the winds have picked up.
But as for this Fall, my goal is to have the trees finished and then I'll be going nuts with all the little detail stuff. I have a grocery bag FILLED with detail parts of various types...

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Lee:

Being on the forum definitely helps the motivation levels.

Here in our area weather is usually pretty mild. It very rarely gets very cold (20 degrees is a really chilly day in Winter), or very hot. But it is almost continually gray and damp from late October until January or February. We might get a few cold and clear days in January. March and April are gray and damp, too.

Great weather for puttering in the basement.

We don't get hurricanes or blizzards.

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FYI for anyone else reading this, Reg and I live reasonably close to each other. That said, I've never met the man. That's one of the great things about the internet, you can find out that there are people near you who share your interest. I have a sneaking suspicion at some point Reg and I will be talking in person someday.

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Lee:

I think so too.

Referencing the internet, it is amazing how many friends, some of them quite close friends, I have that I have never met and would have difficulty identifying in person as a result of the internet.

It is also amazing how many circles I run into. I have friends who know other friends and I had no idea they knew each other. Never would have known except for internet connections.

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Well...
...I don't live close by...
...but I do know Stoney Creek pretty well from Freerails !!

Close but far away.

:moose:

Si.

Watch out for the 5 Mooses...
...they DROOL !

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Reg wrote

''Referencing the internet, it is amazing how many friends, some of them quite close friends, I have that I have never met and would have difficulty identifying in person as a result of the internet. ''

AMEN to that !


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So, will I represent every part of Southern life in the 40s on the layout?

Someone was asking me today if I would have segregated life represented on the layout (mostly via signs). I responded that Stoney Creek was WAY up in the hills and that I didn’t think segregation was even a thing up there. I've emailed my Mom if either of my (now 80 years old) parents ever saw anything marked, “Whites only” in the immediate area when they were kids. I’m sure there was stuff like that in the towns. Nearby Elizabethton for sure would have had signs like that, but as the only restroom on the layout is an outhouse, I’d think it’d be a moot point. I really doubt anyone would have bothered to put such a sign on the outhouses at any of the stores along Stoney Creek road.
I really want to do justice the timeframe and Jim Crow laws would be part of that, but I can’t imagine anyone would have wasted their time with signs like that up in Stoney Creek if you only ever saw white people up there in that timeframe. I'm not saying that folks up there were more enlightened than other people in the south (they weren't), but it was more of a non-issue as I'm pretty sure only whites lived way up in those hills back then. Heck, I think that was the case up there, even well into my own lifetime.
We’ll see how my folks respond to what they can recall. I don’t think either of my parents saw any non-whites until they were no longer kids.
But if there's an historical likelihood to such signs being used then and there, yes, I'll be putting them up. I want the layout to be as accurate of a representation of the timeframe as I can make it, both good and bad.

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Tonight, I swore I saw the scale ghosts of conductor Cy Crumley and engineer Sherman Pippin. I snapped some shots, thinking when I look later, they'd just be of empty track. Halloween came early for the ET&WNC!
They just walked out of the cornfield at the Ensor farm looked around, and Cy walked down the tracks to near the grade crossing at Sadie. Sherman went directly for # 11, which was sitting cold at the time. A chill came over the air...



As these two were gentlemen in life, I expect no evil from them now. As the locals said after I showed them the photos (taken from my Speed Graphic box camera), "Them ain't haints, they's wouldn't do nary a bit of evil h'yar!"
To translate Hillbilly to English, such distinguished men wouldn't come back as bad spirits. At the worst, I was told I might get tiny letters of admonishment over some conditions on the layout.

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The translucent nature of the "haints" really pick up the nice green colors of the layout and add a ghoulish quality to the photos. Happy Halloween.:apl: Doc Tom

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I took a bunch of long-term exposures and played around with smoke/steam effects (in real time, using a twist paper towel moved around while the exposure was going) and I think it turned out pretty well. This is some practice for the photos I'll be taking for my upcoming magazine article...


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Hi Lee

AWESOME PIX. !

:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:

Smoke effect looks nice.
Great overall colour in the photographs.

I have found that a 500 Watt halogen, outdoor floodlight, is great for model pix.
Mounted on a tripod.

Bounced off the ceiling.
Diffused, with tracing paper or scrim cloth.
Or just direct, for hard shadows.

Colour rendition is good.

Mine cost about $8 bucks from my favorite electrical mail order place.
Spare bulbs $0.95c a piece.

Handy bit of kit.

:moose:

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Thanks, Si! Five moose is my personal best so far here!
I did these as test shots, not for publication as such. Just mostly testing long exposures for depth of field issues and trying out techniques for the smoke/steam looks. I have lighting, and will be using them when I set up the real photos for the article.

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Hi again Lee

Your 'normal' room lighting looks pretty good.
Halogen, I guess ?
Or maybe LED.

I have 25 Watt CFLs in my slotcar layout room.
Great light for 'the eyes'.
Damn hopeless for photography.

That's why I got the 500 Watt flood.

:moose:

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Si. wrote:
Your 'normal' room lighting looks pretty good.
Halogen, I guess ?
Or maybe LED.

Nope, just the original lighting for the room. I plan on replacing it with a cluster of canned lighting.
The original shots were very yellow-tined. I corrected that on the computer. That, and cropping, is all I did.
For the article shots, I'm going to take a thin dowel, cover it in cotton in a comical shape, put some grey highlights, and during the long exposures I'll place it directly over the stack and rotate/bounce it for several seconds then remove it.
If the effects I got with a wadded paper towel worked out as good as they did, cotton in the right shape should really look good (and it'll cast shadows like real smoke will)...

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Hi Lee

Arh ... colour-correction.
I guess you have CFLs in the room then.

My camera 'white-balance' just doesn't like them.
But neither does 35mm Kodachrome.

Difficult to filter out or correct them I've found.

:moose:

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That looks great.

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Hi again Lee

Just took a look at your website.

N I C E !

Well I never, a Sci-Fi fan as well as '40s trains !!

& graphic artist !!
Multi-talented, a lot of our Members here at Freerails !

I like the MiG-29 drawing.
Recently bought some components from a MiG-29 avionics-system !
They are now part of my Hi-Fi !
Faster than SOUND !

:moose:

Si.

Do you happen to know Lee.
Were Willys ever painted any other colours, apart from the obvious green & desert colours ?

I seem to have quite a few WWII vehicle kits to make here.
Might have to up my era a tad from 31st December 1939

;)

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generally, speaking, most people into one hobby are often into another. For example, plenty of train fans I know are into old airplanes, the space program, sci-fi and other things.
My wife says I was WAY too many interests. She quite right, of course.
Si. wrote:
I like the MiG-29 drawing.
Recently bought some components from a MiG-29 avionics-system !
Were Willys ever painted any other colours, apart from the obvious green & desert colours ?

That MIG-29 was going to be a print to be sold, signed by the pilot of the plane he stole and defected to Turkey with. Sadly, he died in a light plane crash near where I now live before we could get it printed up. The original was done in ink on a large board.

As for WW2 Jeeps (which were also made by Ford during WW2), they were usually in OD green, some (but not many) were desert painted. The Navy painted ones issued to ships grey to match the hulls of the ships they were craned off-on. The Marine Corps painted theirs in a semi-gloss OD green that is a darker shade than the Army color.
British forces painted them in various shades of camo and generally used a darker green as well.

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Hi Lee

Thanks.
Yeah ... I just wondered if there might have been any kinda 'one off' or small numbers of Willys painted in odd colours.
eg. perhaps Red, for a fire-outfit.
maybe White, for medical.
or even Black for top-brass.

Just guessing really.

My Tamiya 1:35 Willys is of course probably 'wrong' for my layout.
As are I guess most of the other vehicle kits I have.
There are some nice models though, if you aint 'precisely' worried about 'exact' era.

A slight distraction from railroads, as a consequence of using 1:35 military scale.

:moose:

Si.

New Zealand forestry-service had Red Quad gun-tractors post WWII, for fire service.
An interesting re-purpose.

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As I have a WW2 Jeep in the garage and have read extensively about them, this kind of thing becomes second-nature, I guess.
I have three early closed-cab GMC 2 1/2 ton trucks in 1:50 scale, which are well in the extreme background for forced perspective. Up close, I have three WW2 Jeeps (one which usually rides a flat car), a Dodge Command Car and a Weapons Carrier (which still hasn't hgad its markings corrected yet).

All my military vehicles have their European Theater "Invasion" stars removed as stateside vehicles didn't have them. They get custom/made unit markings for the same unit (on solid white painted bumpers, something you saw from time to time in training bases and airfields), non-surround stars, all tire pressure markings removed (as that was a postwar thing for 1/4 ton vehicles) and substantial weathering in place.
Keep in mind, the layout takes place around the same time as the 1943 the Tennessee Maneuvers, which occurred further West of where the layout takes place (centered around Tullahoma, Tennessee). The 101st Airborne Division flew right over the valley in this exercise in C-47s and combat gliders. My Dad, as a kid, watched them go over one afternoon.

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Hi Lee

Ah ... That's interesting.
No stars & white bumpers.
A scheme I have not seen.

There is a strange lack of U.S. vehicles in 1:35 I feel.
I have though, the German 'Ford' 2-axle truck 1937/39 I think.
Ruskie 'Ford' GAZ-AAA 3-axle 1943 model.
Chevy 2-axle SAS conversion truck.

Reasonable for my purposes.
Wouldn't impress a historian though !! ;)

Perhaps I need to shift my 'supposed' date to just post WWII.
Kinda doesn't explain a T-boiler Shay & ol' Porter though.
An 'underused' VGC pair, still running obviously !

I guess there were Model-Ts still running in the '40s.
As you said, not many 'up to date' vehicles in Stoney Creek.

:moose:

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Si. wrote:
Ah ... That's interesting.
No stars & white bumpers.
A scheme I have not seen.

Perhaps I need to shift my 'supposed' date to just post WWII.
Kinda doesn't explain a T-boiler Shay & ol' Porter though.
An 'underused' VGC pair, still running obviously !

I guess there were Model-Ts still running in the '40s.
As you said, not many 'up to date' vehicles in Stoney Creek.

Well, they had stars, but not the circle around the outside that you saw in the ETO. Stateside vehicles had a simple white star and that was that.
If you’re not committed to your layout’s era as I am, I’d say that the era of immediately after VE day would give you some great excuses to use vehicles of all types. In the UK, even some captured German vehicles wound up in civilian hands (though not many).

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I do/did also 1/24 and 1/18 cars, a few planes, couple ships, have 2 1/8 Pocher cars in the stash.
According to my calculations if I retire right now and start assembling the whole mess 24/7/365 sometime around 2400 AD I may put a dent on the pile... if I stop buying right now.
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A good pal of mine can't stop building kits, his HO layout is covered in partially-built airplanes, tanks, semi trucks, what have you.
I've never been a big kit-building type. I like to scratchbuild instead and only do models I can "use" somehow. So that means only stuff for the layout.

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I took some funny 'pacing' shots over the weeknd, considering that I don't run my trains more than 20MPH, scale speed...



The following day, I took some poly puff pieces out, sprayed them with adhesive, dipped them in a bowl filled with ground foam, then covered the whole lot with several coats of cheap Hairspray. This will cover the 'hills' in the backdrop in the back corner:

Not bad for less than a half hour's work, huh?

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Those are great!!!

I have tried the poly puff ball approach. Like all my scenery attempts, they kind of suck. Yours look great. I will need to approach it again.

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Reg H wrote:
I have tried the poly puff ball approach. Like all my scenery attempts, they kind of suck. Yours look great. I will need to approach it again.
Well, anything looks good in a tiny little cell phone shot. My scenery work has been really hit-and-miss, some turned out better than I expected, other stuff the opposite.
There's no telling what these foam things will look like until they're glued to the 'hills' in the back corner. Then, we'll see if they look okay or not.

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Got another corner done, with tree cover, last night.

It looks a little better than my previous attempt to do poly puff balls. One more corner, some more trees, and for the most part, the scenery is done. I didn't want to get rolling with my article photos until I had these areas more complete-looking with scenery.

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Hi Lee :wave:

I like the high-speed look on the panning shots !
Really cool !

Now, what I wanna know is...
...can you do the panning effect WITH the smoke-plume effect ?? !! :shocked:

THUNDERBIRDS managed all that stuff PLUS explosions !! ... No problem.

:moose:

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Strings attached, of course ;)

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Si,
I am very familiar with the old Thunderbirds show.
F-A-B!
Nope, I wouldn't even try pan/smoke at the same time. I only did these pan shots are more of a joke as nothing moves fast on the layout
This shows the beginning of the completion of the scenery in the back corner. Forgive the poor quality of the cell photo, but it's getting very close to photo-worthy as there was nothing but grass on those opposing peaks before a few days ago. The glue is still wet on the one on the left. Along edge facing the tracks, there'll be a row of slightly shorter trees, and another row along the side of the layout of this shot to the right. And after that, it's nothing but tweaking the scenes from there...

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Last night, I finished at a bunch of trees on the layout, and these aren't all the only ones that I planted.
I used a mixture of super trees and premade ones from various vendors...



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I also added a photographer to a grade crossing...

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It's all about the details...


I am now adding all the little detail stuff I've wanted to add to the layout. More figures are going in, and things like mailboxes and such are showing up now. Also, I weathered the Ensor farm house as it looked way too clean as it was.

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Hi lee,
Nice work, :2t: Those additional details are really starting to bring some "magic" to your layout. :glad::glad:

Keep the photos coming please as you progress,

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I really like that cornfield. Hope to model similar one on our HO Club layout here in Clarksville Tennessee. Dr. TomL:L:

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I did some weathering one of my locomotives, the one I don't use all that terribly often on the layout. I didn't go completely insane with the weathering, but it's probably more heavily weathered than they allowed the locomotive to actually get back in those days. Still, it looked way better and this photograph tells the difference between the weathered and the factory stock ones.

I's hard to see in this photo, but I also made my own custom builder's plate and printed it on a decal sheet. The Bachmann builder plates are opposite of what they should be (black letters and a bronze-color background, not the other way around that real ones are). I even used the actual Baldwin builder # for that exact locomotive. I have them for every ET&WNC ten-wheeler, even the ones I doubt I'll ever model.
Doctor G wrote:
I really like that cornfield. Hope to model similar one on our HO Club layout here in Clarksville Tennessee. Dr. TomL:L:Thanks. I wanted to put in a tobacco field but nobody makes those plants in O scale. That field wasn't cheap. I cut a piece of Masonite, drilled holes where I wanted them to go into drawn rows, painted the entire plate over with soil-colored paint, then put the plants in real tight together.

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Doctor G wrote:
I really like that cornfield. Hope to model similar one on our HO Club layout here in Clarksville Tennessee. Dr. TomL:L:

Hi Doc Tom,
I'm not sure if it will work for corn but have you heard of Lynn Zelmer's CaneSIG site? http://www.zelmeroz.com/canesig/resources/resource-02hbk.html

It contains a Modellers Resource Handbook at http://www.zelmeroz.com/canesig/resources/resource-02hbk.html with 2 of the sections dealing with how to model sugar cane. See http://www.zelmeroz.com/album_model/basics/06_cane.pdf and http://www.zelmeroz.com/album_model/basics/16_cane2.pdf

Some of these techniques, but possibly modified, just might get you your cornfield?

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Doctor G wrote:
I really like that cornfield. Hope to model similar one on our HO Club layout here in Clarksville Tennessee. Dr. TomL:L:

Hi Doc Tom,
I'm not sure if it will work for corn but have you heard of Lynn Zelmer's CaneSIG site? http://www.zelmeroz.com/canesig/resources/resource-02hbk.html

It contains a Modellers Resource Handbook at http://www.zelmeroz.com/canesig/resources/resource-02hbk.html with 2 of the sections dealing with how to model sugar cane. See http://www.zelmeroz.com/album_model/basics/06_cane.pdf and http://www.zelmeroz.com/album_model/basics/16_cane2.pdf

Some of these techniques, but possibly modified, just might get you your cornfield?

Tennessee is WAY too far north to merits a can field. Totally different environment (I grew up in Florida and there were can fields there, though).
Making corn stalks is a nightmare. I tired it and though IU was able to make a couple of decent ones, it took several hours and I threw away more material than I used. Turned out, it was actually cheaper to use ready-made corn stalks, by this company who makes them in O and HO:
http://www.jttmicroscale.com/viewcategory.asp?DirID=162
Of course, there are ways to make your own, but I can't say I'm terribly impressed with the results shown here: http://modeltrains.about.com/od/Scenery/ss/Making-Miniature-Cornstalks.htm#showall

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Last night, I finished painting and installing several castings on the layout. I na couple of places, you can see where the glue is still drying, so please for give that (as it doesn't look like that now, of course).

First, I split a grouping of birds up into two segments, half of them are now pigeons, and the other half are crows. The crows, naturally, are in the cornfield or sitting on the posts around it. I kept one in my extra parts box for the eventuality of getting a scarecrow someday.





Next, I painted and weathered enough shovels for all of the locomotives, and placed them on the fireman's side of each tender. It just seemed to be needing that.



Then, I finished a group of passenger car step stools, weathered them, then place them on the back decks of each end of each passenger car.

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Hi Lee.
Birds, passenger-steps & shovels ...
... WONDERFUL !
Looks like you are having fun with the detailing.
:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:
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Si. wrote: Birds, passenger-steps & shovels ...
... WONDERFUL !
Looks like you are having fun with the detailing


I am, indeed. This is the part I've been looking forward to, where I look at a scene, and ask myself, "what is missing here that you'd find in the rural South during WW2?," and then making sure it gets placed there...

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It's a small thing, but I filled every depression and hole on the layout and lined every path with real dirt from the place the layout takes place. I also placed a few small pebbles in certain spots to represent large rocks on the surface. Those also came from where the layout takes place.
Before I started the layout, my Mom and Dad actually collected a jar or dirt and a bag of small rocks from the area, just so I could do this once the layout was built.
It means a great deal to me to have several small actual pieces of Stoney Creek on the layout.



A couple of days later, I took some photos for a planned magazine article. During a few, I'd forgotten to close the blinds and the light made some shots unusable. But I thought I'd post them here to give you an idea what the finished shots looked like. One shot I'm not posting yet turned out great, with realistic venting from the cylinders as well as smoke. None of this was photoshopped and was done in real-time for a long term exposure, using old-school methods...

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I got a aluminum casting of a 1943 Baldwin builder's plate (for a VO diesel, but it's mostly the same type of plate they also used for their export steam locomotives) off eBay recently, and I decided to paint the thing with gold paint (nobody makes bronze colored spray paint that I could find), then went over it with brass paint highlights, then filled in the black background and generally made it look well-worn. My goal was to give it the best, "just yanked off the locomotive in the scrap line and never cleaned" look that I could. Now it hangs over the back wall over the layout.

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It's all looking very natural Lee and that last head-on low level shot is a peach. I particularly like the cornfield, that must have taken a fair bit of planting.

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" done in real-time for a long term exposure, using old-school methods..."

:pimp: :pimp: :pimp: :pimp: :pimp:

Hi Lee :wave:

Is that on 8x10 or 5x7 glass-plates ? ;)

:moose:

Si.

I wanna see some more of those cool 'panning shots' !
I don't think they are 'gimmicky' at all...
...look real good to me !!

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Si. wrote: " done in real-time for a long term exposure, using old-school methods..."



















Is that on 8x10 or 5x7 glass-plates ? ;)





Well, I could use this for model photography, but I'd need to figure out depth of field issues. It's a Speed Graphic from 1938 and all the functions work...






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Hi Lee :wave:

NICE camera !
I have a 1/4-plate, from way back when.
Just no quarter-plates to use in it though. :f:

Something I did find recently was.
I have all my Grandfathers lenses from the WWI era.
Also his pre & post WWII lenses as well, with various screws & mounts.

With the Lumix u4/3rds camera I have.
I was able to get lens-mount adapters for ALL these vintage lenses.
Some of them over 100 years old !

They are nothing like modern lenses, of course.
They were never designed with 'colour' photography in mind either.
Nice to be able to use them though, with a modern camera.

I should use them more.
Mostly I just use a cellphone though.
GREAT depth of field, with such a short focal length lens.

:moose:

Si.

Old flashbulbs, used with digital-cameras can have an interesting effect as well.

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Of course, you're laughing with the Speed Graphic.

5x4 cut-film is still easily available.

:bg:

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Quite some few years ago I sold three Speed Graphics (actually, one was a Crown Graphic. No focal plane shutter), a Graflex monorail 4X5, a "baby" Speed Graphic (2-1/4 X 3-1/4), two Mamiya RB67's, three Nikons and a Nikkormat (I kept all my Nikkor lenses), and a Kodak 8X10, and assorted lenses and accessories for all of the above. 
I was just able to purchase a Nikon D3 with the proceeds.
I miss silver.
I miss having the time to mess with silver.
I haven't quite gotten the hang of digital yet.
A long time ago in a galaxy far away I was a working pro.  The RB's and Nikons were the main workhorses. The large format equipment was for fun.
Managing water utilities is not as glamorous or fun, but it is a far more reliable source of income. 
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Si,
You can find the film for a large format negative, but only one place I know of will develop it locally, and they are NOT Acheap. A pal owns a massive collection of WW2 miltary cameras abd shoots with a speed graphic often...

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Hi Lee :wave:

Well...
...Alec Guinness ( George Smiley ), in the follow up to John Le Carres 'Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy'...
...contact printed a B&W negative with virtually ZERO equipment, in his basement !

MI6 training of course. ;)

But, if you can get the chemicals, anything is possible.
Perhaps NOT practical though. :f:

:moose:

Si.

Flashbulbs & vintage lenses are MUCH more useable though.
Check out Winston Links night time U.S. train photos.
All taken with multiple flashbulbs.
STUNNING !

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I love this shot...



I'm going to re-shoot this in RAW format for the upcoming magazine article (more info that later), but at a slightly different angle (so you can see the freight cars behind the locomotive) but using the same real-time techniques to show steam and exhaust in action. No Photoshop was used for the steam effects. The exhaust and steam were done with added up paper towels and a cardboard tube covered in cotton and painted. They were each moved around in a 30-second exposure, then removed halfway through.

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Clever stuff with the steam Lee and very effective. Wouldn't know where to start with that myself or have the camera settings to help, possessing only a little Nikon Coolpix 5200 compact. I'd have to use my photo management software for that effect.

The nearest I've ever got is with my old 009/HOe Tremeifion layout using layers in Serif PhotoPlus X5 to turn


b (4) by slateworks, on Flickr

into.


b (3) by slateworks, on Flickr

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Hi Lee & Doug :wave:

Dem da money shots !

:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:

Both MOOSERS !

:bg:

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Just got a new cell phone last night (a LG G5) and it's got a really good camera. First photo I took was of the layout and I was surprised at the depth of field for a cell phone:


I'm working on a magazine article on my layout and I'll be re-shooting these shots with my good SLR with long exposure in RAW format.

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I just added what the old folks would have called, "a mess o' Critters*" on the layout. And this isn't all of them.






A small cow pasture is going on next, I'm painting the cows right now to match the right breed for the area at that time.

*In the deep South, a "mess of" something is a colloquial unit of measurement, denoting a large amount.


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Nice to see a bit of life in a layout but who's going to clear up after 'em?! Being one of the old(ish) folks, it certainly ain't goin' ter be me!!

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slateworks wrote: Nice to see a bit of life in a layout but who's going to clear up after 'em?! Being one of the old(ish) folks, it certainly ain't goin' ter be me!!

Tiny little dung beetles will handle that, but they're so small they don't show up in photos...
I'm thinking of moving the squirrels to different spots as you don't encounter them out in the open like that for very long. I think sitting atop one of the water towers would be a great place for one.
I also have a tiny little scale frog, and that's going into a puddle I'm working on this weekend. There's a turtle, too, but I couldn't get a very good shot of it, standing next to a road as you'd never see it any other place.

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I drew out a track plan in ink, then scanned and colored it last night. I think it turned out okay. The original file is the size of a letter-sized sheet of paper:

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I like the plan.  Not unlike my own.  A simple point to point.  
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Reg H wrote: I like the plan.  Not unlike my own.  A simple point to point.  

Reg


Thanks, Reg.
There's also a nice guy in Napavine that has a layout very similar as well, in On30. I've talked to him several times but I keep procrastinating going down to see it.
https://sites.google.com/site/nvngrr/

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Looks like switching can keep you busy.  I like that mucho much.  Got any hawks for your squirrel problem?;)
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Within a 2-week period, I've found that my layout will be in TWO model train publications this year.
I have confirmed my layout will be in the On30 Annual for 2017! It's the "Tweetsie Inspired" layout mentioned in the pre-order form: https://shop.whiteriverproductions.com/products/on17
Also, the online Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine will be running one of my photos of the layout in an upcoming issue: http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/

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Congratulations!!!!
That is really cool.
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Reg H wrote: Congratulations!!!!




That is really cool.





Thanks a lot, Reg.

Frankly, when I look at my layout, all I see is the stuff I wanted to do but couldn't or failed at what I'd had in my mind. I guess many people in the hobby feel that. I guess I am surprised the annual wanted to run a feature on my layout, or that HRH contacted me to use one of my photos (usually, that's the other way around).

But still, for my first real layout ever, made all by myself other than the wiring and the curtains, I think I haven't done too bad.

My first attempt at publications was submitting to MR and that was met with an obvious "Meh," from a magazine that is notoriously unimpressed with On30 as a whole (and was the last hobby publication to stop using the "On2 1/2" designation). So I was surprised to get a far better reception from other publications.

Submitting to the annual was a tough decision, as RMC said they'd run an article on my layout first, but I decided I wanted to support the Annual for what it's done for us in the hobby (frankly, I considered the Annual to highlight far better work than I've done on my layout). That, and it seems like the annual is more often kept by modelers when they throw out all their other hobby magazines over time.

The cover price is a pain, as I would of course want some extra copies (and one for my parents) and they are NOT cheap. But for what I have, I feel the Annual is the superior publication and one I feel I should feel better about being accepted into.




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Lee:
I agree with you on the annual.  It is a great publication.  I don't buy it every year, but, obviously, will get a copy this year.
I am really fond of the Narrow Gauge and Shortline Gazette.  They have great articles and treat On30 well.  I keep all of mine.
I quit subscribing to the "mainline" magazines a long time ago.  
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Reg H wrote: I agree with you on the annual.  It is a great publication.  I don't buy it every year, but, obviously, will get a copy this year.

I am really fond of the Narrow Gauge and Shortline Gazette.  They have great articles and treat On30 well.  I keep all of mine.

I quit subscribing to the "mainline" magazines a long time ago.  


Even though I never stopped being a 1:1 scale train fan, I had been out of the model railroading hobby since the 90s (I had a horrible experience with a HO module club that soured me for a very long time), so I did subscribe to MR (and still do) to catch up with all the changes that took place while I was gone. If I'd been in the hobby all along, I probably wouldn't have subscribed to that.
The Annual is something I have bought every year since I got into On30 a few years back, as it shows a lot of interesting stuff, especially now that they're getting away from the "look at this whimsical loco/layout" articles that I see from earlier ones. On30 has grown up and I think is no longer a gauge just for people who want to do everything differently (cutely is more like it).
As for NG&SG, it is a great publication, but I get tired of it's mostly, "All Colorado/New Mexico prototype" stance. I like the D&RG-ish stuff*, but that's been done TO DEATH long before I was even born. It gets old real fast for me as I'm more a fan of the lines outside of that region...


*as can be seen here:


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I presume that's the PSC/MMI On3 model Lee. Where did you get yourself scanned for the 3D printed figure? It's very realistic! ;)

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Lee:
It seems just about everyone who visits the Colorado narrow gauge gets hooked on it.  You are right, there is a lot of the Colorado stuff in the Gazette, mixed in with New England 2-foot, but good modeling ideas and techniques nonetheless.
My 1:1 narrow gauge experience is the White Pass & Yukon. But my layout is based on the idea that somebody beat the Northern Pacific to the Chehalis to Raymond route with a narrow gauge line.  The change of the name of Willapa Bay to Henderson Bay and the town of Raymond to Henderson is to honor a life long friend and avid railfan (though he disliked the term, preferring ferroequinology archaeologist) who passed away in 2007. 
He loved the NP route to Raymond, loved narrow gauge, but was really attracted to "funkies".  We once "chased" the cranberry bog railroads on the Washington coast.  Anyone devoted to the funkier side of railroading will know the name John Henderson.  His passing contributed to the demise of the Tall Timber Short Lines magazine.  I haven't been on a railfan excursion since he passed.
I really liked the early HOn30 stuff (who were those two guys?), but I got completely hooked on On30 by one of the early ads for the Bachmann stuff.  Alongside my preference of modeling in 1/4" scale. 
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Reg,
That concept is a good one. Chuck Rickets did something very similar with his large On30 On30 layout in Olympia: slateworks wrote:
I presume that's the PSC/MMI On3 model Lee. Where did you get yourself scanned for the 3D printed figure? It's very realistic! ;)I know a guy who can scan people for 3D work. If I modeled in G, I'd have had one made of myself, but in O, I'd just look like any other figure I already have.

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I added a Plexi piece at the edge of the turntable, to keep my locomotives from doing half-gainers to the floor. The Plexi was cut, drilled, and the mounts pre drilled and ready to go for quite a while. I just waited to mount them in place until after I took the other photos for my upcoming magazine article.

And today, I just scored this off eBay, a timetable from the RR I model in the same year. There are not many of these still around!

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I uploaded these videos:
https://youtu.be/tBt3DHPuD_k
https://youtu.be/eEyGruZ-fXE

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Lee B wrote:

Also, the online Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine will be running one of my photos of the layout in an upcoming issue: http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/





MRH had asked for one of my photos of the layout, said they'd be running it, then didn't. I just found out when the segment the editor said it'd be running in didn't have it and I never heard from him after I sent him the large JPEG of the shot he wanted. They gave no reason or heads up that it wasn't going to be used.




Needless to say, I'm not happy about that.

At least the On30 Annual has committed to running my article and have it listed in promos...


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Aww, you don't need them anyway!

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Seems I spoke out of turn. I confirmed that it'll run next month after all.

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Looking forward to the MRH article Lee.

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I couldn't sleep, so I put down some static grass mats on the layout last night. They're pre-made by Heiki in Germany and look like real high grass with very easy application.


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Very nice! Grass growing between the tracks is one of my favorite things. One of the scenic things I wanted most was to model a pokey old loco and train running through a "sea" of Texas Bluebonnets. Yes, there were such things, still are down in Central Texas, but I could never find anything that REALLY looked like the state flower. Maybe that's why I model rocks, dirt, and cactus...fear of flowers!
Again, very nice and it captures the look that I love also.

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Those mats have come off really well Lee. I'm watching another example of the use of mats on NGRM Online and it's clear that they've improved considerably over the years.

P.S. I like the shadows in the photos. Gives a nice touch of realism.

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Great Grass!  I can almost hear the cicadas!  

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I made a big order to Scenic Express, and it arrived a few days ago. I now have three rabbits running free on the layout, and finally a scarecrow for my cornfield. I also bought several sheets of static grass mats, two of which went in place on the layout that night because I couldn't sleep, and the rest were put on the layout the following evening.




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Delightful groundwork Lee and I do like the worn look.

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WOW!  That's a lot of corn, did you plant each stalk?  Looking great!

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Great looking scenery.  How did you get that curved turnout?
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My eyelids snapped open a little over an
hour before I normally get up this morning. While I usually can get back to
sleep in such a case, I immediately realized that wasn’t going to happen. So, I
got up and went to the layout room as it’s the only place I can go and not worry
about waking up my wife (who suffers enough with my occasional snoring). I
broke out the remaining static grass mats and finished putting them in where I
thought high grass should go. I kept a patch of each, roughly 4X4” or so, in a
plastic bag for those cases where I think a small patch of either is needed
later. Didn’t make any sense to use them all up when by the time I was done, I was
just looking for patches that might have had tall grass in real life.







Reg H wrote:






Great looking scenery.  How did you get that curved turnout?












Reg





Thanks Reg! That turnout is a curved Shinohara
HO one, as no normal turnout would work there. There’s another just beyond it
out of the frame to the left. I’ve tried to find ways to hide the ties
differences and if I had to do it over, I might have tried removing every other
one. I might cover it with low ground foam just to break that up as it’s
obvious when you see the (Micro Engineering) On30 track on each end of them.



Steven B wrote:


WOW!  That's a lot of corn, did you plant each stalk?  Looking great!



Thanks, Steve! Those are made by JTT. https://www.jttmicroscale.com/viewproduct.asp I bought a pack her and there, over the time I was planning and designing the layout, over more than a year. I found some used ones off eBay later and there are just about exactly 400 stalks in that field. I call it my "Hundred dollar corn field" as that's about what it cost when I added up everything.









I cut a section of Masonite for the area I
wanted, sanded the edges down to a ‘knife’ edge, then drew out the rows. I then
put a long, thin bead of caulk over each of the rows. Once that dried, I painted
it over with latex paint I’d had color-matched to the soil where the layout
takes place. Yes, I have real soil from there, thanks to my parents as they
still own Dad’s childhood home there. I then drilled holes for each stalk,
hundreds of them, and placed each one-at-a-time. I also added died dowels for
fence posts at the same time. Once it was done, I screwed the outer edges to
the plywood base of the layout, and put ground foam all the way around, to the
edges of the fence. Coarse foam hid the edges very well and I doubt anyone can
tell it wasn’t put directly into the table-top by looking at it.


If I had to do that again, I’d have waited
until the scale barbed wire I’d ordered (a wargaming item I found on eBay but
have long since forgotten the trade name. It’s easy to find lots of stuff like
it if you search eBay) had arrived, as I placed the poles and then mounted the
entire base. Then, I strung the wire and didn’t do a very good job of it as I
had to fast-cure ACC and it just doesn’t look like I’d hoped.


I am probably going to make a small cow pasture very close to there, and I’m looking into better methods for the fence. I have
found some 1/48 scale barbed wire and might use that, but it isn’t cheap. Maybe
I’ll just use the reel of EZ line I have, as that fence would run right to the
edge of the layout and EZ line wouldn’t tear away from the posts if someone
touched or snagged it (I also used it for the power lines and was excellent for
that, for the same reason).

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Wow, that's some (corn) bread for corn.  Hope it is a banner year and the harvest comes in! Lots of patience for planting, but then I suppose it is not much different than trees, except that you didn't have to build each one.  Building it separate probably helped, less damage to the surrounding area.  Looks absolutely wonderful, worth every ear.

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Hi Lee :wave:


Busy busy busy !


Nice look with the new grass planting.
&
Rabbits !

It's getting to that EYE POPPING photo-realism stage ! :shocked:


What next ?

Some coins dropped from a holy pocket ?? ;)


MOOSES :moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:


:cool:


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Thanks, Si. My long term plans are to build interiors for a room at the main depot building (the room where the cupola is, which will be paneled and have office furniture and stuff for the station master inside), one or two rooms in the farm house (for sure the bathroom as I found scale furniture for that and maybe a bedroom) and eventually the interior of the store. Those spots already have holes drilled in the table tops underneath to run wiring through for lights. I already have most of the Woodland Scenics lighting system stuff I need to light all that up when I'm ready. Only three structures will be lit as electric wiring was only down the main road in the time/place I model when the layout takes place. Only after the war did electrical lines go into side-roads and Hollows (called, "Hollers" by those who live/lived there), so not every building will have electric light.
Then there’ll be an ongoing effort for detail items that I doubt will ever end.
The one thing that I’m still trying to figure out is the random debris of the outdoors. The stuff that comes off cars on the sides of the road, the sticks and man-made little items that are all over the place if you just stop and look. I’m not sure how to re-create that. Long-ago discarded paper is something I’m trying to figure out how to make in that scale, as it’d have to be very thin to look right. If you just look around, there’s a coating of random unidentified debris for lack of a better way to describe it. I’m still working on how to re-create that.

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Lee, the house that we are working on in the Blue Ridge didn't have lectrik until after the war some time.  We had plumbing for kerosene.  The house was built in 1940.  Cool stuff, maybe you could get a nice warm glow for kerosene?  Keep up the good work - Steve

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Long-ago discarded paper is something I’m trying to figure out how to make in that scale, as it’d have to be very thin to look right.
Try napkins or toilet paper without embossed texture. Cut to size, put on a flat surface and wet with dark tea or light coffee. Let dry and crumple.
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Hi Lee :wave:


Yeah ... I think making garbage is tricky ! ;)


Really fine cigarette-papers are thin & have no 'hair'.


I am wondering about HO scale trash, since it was mentioned by Herb that there was a lack of it on a model.


Tricky though, it could just look WRONG.


I have seen it done quite well in HO on Lance Mindheims Miami layout.


He doesn't have any rabbits though ! :f:


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You wanna trash?. Send me your home address and I will send you a few tons!
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I think we need a new Thread in the 'Weathering & Detailing' Forum.


GARBAGE !


:bg:


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Have you considered tissue paper?  It is very thin and takes stains.

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It is very thin and takes stains

100% true to prototype?

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Check this out: http://mrhpub.com/2017-03-mar/online/html5/?page=164 With this and the upcoming On30 Annual, I’m very happy with the reception my photos have gotten.

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Hi Lee :wave:


It only gets better & better on the Stoney Creek Branch ! :bg:


:moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:


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Thanks, Si, it sure seems like it, doesn't it?
To me, this is very ironic because I’d been out of the hobby for so long when I got back just a few years ago, I had to re-learn everything as the products, techniques and methods used and had completely changed in my absence.
It’s really funny that among some of the people I learned from when I got back, a few are asking me to share my techniques with them, now! And several have asked me how I got into these publications. That’s simple; I have written for several other (mostly historical-related) magazines over the years and have plenty of writing credits. I think so many people in the hobby are scared to put their work out there. The worst that can happen is an editor shoots you down and I’m not the least bit scared of that. This MRH magazine photo was funny, in that the editor saw this shot from a posting I’d made on his forum and asked to use it in his publication. I don’t think that’s ever happened to me before!

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I got this reproduction 1939 poster yesterday in the mail from the Avery County Museum in NC. It dropped right into the Wal-Mart frame I bought this morning with ease, and it was up on the wall in a few minutes. Note the certificate to the lower right, that's an original stock certificate from the Linville River, a ET&WNC subsidiary.

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Ahhh, the "little Linville", I read about in the classic "Mixed Train Daily" by Beebe & Clegg. Punky little 2-6-0's with big old cabs. Wonderful.

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W C Greene wrote: Ahhh, the "little Linville", I read about in the classic "Mixed Train Daily" by Beebe & Clegg. Punky little 2-6-0's with big old cabs. Wonderful.





By the time the 30s rolled around the Linville
River only had a ten-wheeler, # 9, which was eventually lettered as ET&WNC
# 9. It lasted through the war years and was stored at the Johnson City TN
engine house and later scrapped.




Amazingly, the Linville depot still exists, and
has been loving restored by the Avery County museum near Newland, NC: http://averymuseum.org/railroad They
also have the only surviving ET&WNC caboose there, which was recently
donated to their care (and as I understand it, is even sitting on actual rails
from the ET&WNC, though I’m not sure how these survived so long).




I haven’t been back to the area in several
years. The last time was 2005 and I very much want to get back there. I really
want to see this museum, as the existence of caboose 505 was well known among
ET&WNC fans, but its location was a closely guarded secret due to the
landowners not wanting train buffs bugging them all the time about it.

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The operating session this past weekend went well. Only two people signed on for it, and in the space of an hour on the day of the session, each one wanted to bring at least one other person with them. So, I went from two to five within an hour. That didn’t turn out to be the case, as two of them dropped out before they would have come over. So I had three people, all of whom had seen the layout before. One of the guys was the one who wired my layout for DCC and he’d not seen the scenery before. His first comment was, “Wow, it’s really green,” to which I replied, “Yep, so is the Blue Ridge in summertime”. We ran one entire train and I re-set the layout by changing some cars and waybills on the car cards. While I did that, they watched my DVD of the ET&WNC color film from the 40s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT_DnX_rl1k
They actually wanted to watch it to the end and they had plenty of questions about where things were and how operations worked for the real railroad. Thankfully, I was able to answer most of them, having done so much research in the ET over the years.



By the time they returned to the second train, the same guy said, “Yep, I get why it’s so green, now.” I heard later that they all had a good time.

I want to run another session soon, and hopefully get someone people who’ve never seen the layout before.

The funny part was Charlie (my 15-year-old dachshund) kept walking into the room, looking up. I really think he wanted to see what the focus of attention was on, and when I picked him up, he was watching the trains. All these years, I’ve had a train fan pup, it seems!


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Hi Charlie! :)
Also interesting is the other than train stuff on that book shelf. Hey, that's cool about how helpful the film was.

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Well Lee, you know you've done it right when other fellahs say they've had a good time - not to mention the pooch!

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Kitbash0n30 wrote:
“ Also interesting is the other than train stuff on that book shelf.”

There’s really not much train-related on that book shelf. It’s hard to tell from the photo but here’s what is on that shelf from top to bottom:

Top:

Various WW2 airplane and sci-fi ‘desktop’ models. Included is also a stein used in the “Battlestar Galactica” re-boot on sci-fi channel a few years back, and some little models on the spacecraft used (as well as small scale space shuttle orbiters for the ones I’ve seen in real life).

1st:

Various scale WW2 tanks and Jeep models.

2nd:

ET&WNC books to the left, a HO scale “Freedom Train” 4449 under glass in the back, and my first Lionel loco (from the age of 6) in front of that. There’s some swag from Tweetsie RR (which runs ET&WNC loco # 12) scattered.

3rd:

All signed books. Each one is signed by the author or the subject of the book. My copy of “Band of Brothers” signed by several members of Easy Company, 506th PIR is especially nice, as are several signed books by astronauts, WW2 pilots and a few artists.

Below that, in shadow, is my collection of “Sarge” character stuff from the Disney/Pixar “Cars” movies. I own a 1944 Willys Army Jeep, so that character means a great deal to me. I even have a signed photo of the character from the voice actor who spoke for Sarge in the movies.

Only on the 5th shelf from the top, out of the shot, will you find any railroad books to speak of. I don’t have nearly as many as I do military books, but the ones I do are pretty good. I’m very choosy when it comes to RR reference books.

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I finished the Studebaker US6 2.5 ton truck today. This is a very hard to find 1/43 scale diecast by Atlas (its the only one I've ever found for sale by a US vendor) and came out of the box as a British-marked one. I had to disassemble it, repaint and put new decals to make it look like a US mid-war stateside truck.

Maybe someday, the same company will make the more common GMC one in 1/43.

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Hi Lee :wave:


I'm guessing you've looked for a 1:48 GMC right ?

I mostly look at the 1:35 military stuff...

...but do see a number of interesting WWII placky-kits, by the usual suspects.


As a bit of a 'round up'...

...what vehicles do you have on the layout so far ?

Have you done any placky-kit 1:48s ?


I'm sure you have, just can't recall what.


:moose:


Si.


P.S. I always think, YEP it does look very GREEN.

( the layout, not the trucks ;) )

It does actually remind me of England quite a bit. :shocked:

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Si,
I have no plastic kits of vehicles, and none that are 1/48. I have three GMC 2.5-ton trucks by Solido in 1/50 but they're comically small so I use one way in the background for forced perspective. I'll probably try to sell them at a model train meet in two weeks.

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I recently got the number plate to the left off eBay. It looks great hung on the wall, but it’s actually made from a plastic-covered foam is some type. It weighs about as much as a piece of like-sized cardboard, so hanging it up as a breeze (other than reaching up that high, over the layout).

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Howdy Lee, TAMIYA and others make 1:48 military vehicle kits. Check on the net for SQUADRON military model distributors here in Texas. They handle just about all the kits available and you are in luck...1:48 military kits are coming back in style. I suppose many modelers want something smaller than 1:35.
Good luck...

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W C Greene wrote: Howdy Lee, TAMIYA and others make 1:48 military vehicle kits. Check on the net for SQUADRON military model distributors here in Texas. They handle just about all the kits available and you are in luck...1:48 military kits are coming back in style. I suppose many modelers want something smaller than 1:35.



1/48 just looks too small for what I have, I’ve found. My 1/43
scale Studebaker is comically larger than the Solido 1/50 stuff I had (which is
why I’m getting rid of most of it).




I painted a gaggle of 1/48 scale WW2 GI’s and when I put them next
to normal O scale figures, they looked like kids in comparison. I’ll be getting
rid of those, too, I guess or maybe putting in the far background for a minor
forced perspective issue…

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Hi Lee :wave:


I can't really comment on 1:48 military stuff, except for the Tamiya dozer.


The 1:35 figures, which are my SIZE benchmark, do vary a tad !


Vehicle scale, I don't seem to have a problem with.


I have a 'deuce & a half' in 1:32 scale, it matches Airfix 1:32 soldier figures, which I think are very nice BTW.


The 1:35 vehicles seem well scaled to me, by Wiki measurements ( slightly uncertain though ... Ah ... Mmmm ... ).


There must be some cool 1:48 vehicle kits out there for you Lee. ! ?


I have searched to EXHAUSTION for suitable 1:35 kits...
...I think the aircraft MOB in 1:48 have some nice WWII vehicles.


:moose:


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There must be some cool 1:48 vehicle kits out there for you Lee. ! ?
I have all I need now, as I have three 1/43 Willys/Ford-MB/GPW Jeeps, a Command Car, the Studebaker 2.5 ton truck, and a 3/4 ton weapons carrier I haven't finished in stateside markings and weathered yet...

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I got the digital proof for my layout article in the On30 Annual the other day. Editor Chris Lane did a GREAT job with it and I’m very happy with how it turned out. It’s 6 pages in length, which surprised me (even though I provided over a dozen photos, the overall concept I used to create the layout with, and enough text to explain what I was doing).
I think people will be happy with it when the Annual comes out in a couple of weeks (or so)!

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congrats Lee. It's always nice to know you're being published.

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I am very much looking forward to it.  You have tantalized us with your photos on the forum to the extent that my mouth is watering.
Well, not really.  But I am anxious to get my copy.
Reg

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Reg H wrote: I am very much looking forward to it.  You have tantalized us with your photos on the forum to the extent that my mouth is watering.

Well, not really.  But I am anxious to get my copy.



Reg,
Keep in mind, anyone who's read through this thread and seen my website has already seen a great deal of the content.
FYI, I'll have a sales table on Saturday (though probably not Sunday) at the model train swap meet in Chehalis, WA this weekend, if anyone local is coming (cough cough Reg, cough). If you're in the area and happen to run across me (I'll probably be wearing my White Pass & Yukon cap and my NASA jacket), be sure to say hi!

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I am taking the wife up to Seattle to see Mama Mia on stage.
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I'd been wanting something on the layout illustrating the history that it'd originally been a different railroad that was eventually bought out by the ET&WNC, and I thought a freight car as a shed would be great for that.
I took a stock Bachmann refer and did this to it, as the ET&WNC never had any refrigerated cars:

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Hi Lee :wave:


TOO COOL FOR SCHOOL ! :cool:


I like it.

Guess what I have a spare Tri-ang HO one of ?

Yep ... an ol' wood side reefer just like ^^ that one.

It's on the list . . . :slow:


Personally I think Joses 'grounded cars' are gonna be good...

...the pool, double-glazing & sat. dish are pretty high-spec. ;)


:moose:


Si.


There are quite a few 'grounded car' photos on the net.

Def. a popular reuse of old and unwanted, outdated cars.

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sat. dish are pretty high-spec...

No sat dish. I really HATE TV. Full array of solar panels.

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Sorry Jose. :f:


I remember now ... Solar array ! :cool:


I gotta say, I'll 2nd that on the T.V. !

Would rather be spinning some tunez & building stuff. :pimp:


Grounded cars are a great piece of scenery...

...however they are equipped. ;)


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I bought a wood tray at Hobby Lobby today, for when I do op sessions so I could place cars on it when I'm swapping out stuff at the interchange track when the session resets for another train.
I put some HO re-railer sections on it, and it'll hold more than enough cars. So at an op session where I run another train, I can have a new set of cars ready on this tray in another room, ready to go. I can also connect alligator clips to wires to the DCC system and use any of these as a program track if I need to.
There's also room for boxes for the car cards for each car being swapped out, too...

Also, I placed a pack of these randomly on the layout. They're made for HO but seem big for that scale and look great in O. Little details extend to scenery, too: https://www.walthers.com/grass...g-42-yellow-each-1-4

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Yesterday, I went to the Tacoma Trains hobby shop for the VERY last time, as they closed their doors for good at 3PM. I’m very sad to see the place go as I bought all my track, many of my freight cars and lots of supplies from them during the layout build. Now, I’ll have to go to Portland for anything comparable, but at least I won’t need to go too often to hobby shops anymore as the layout is for all intents, completed.
I had been eyeballing a Whitcomb On30 diesel they had there for a very long time, and I finally decided to get it. It’s a type of locomotive that the Army did buy during WW2 and used a few on narrow gauge lines in Europe and I have no reason to doubt they might have had them stateside as well (I know they had them in standard gauge). The ET&WNC had no diesels until 1968, but I will be adding some detail parts to this, probably painting it black and then lettering it for a US Army-owned locomotive. I will then be weathering it very lightly as it’d be new at the time the layout takes place. I already have a good GI figure to put into the cab. It weighs a lot as it’s almost all metal and it runs great. I need to get the circuit board and speakers to have it as a sound-equipped locomotive. Here it is on a test run around the layout:

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I'm sad to see Lee's post about Tacoma Trains. I lived in Olympia until 2002, and always made a point of visiting the store when we returned to visit friends in the Puget Sound area. Will any brick-and-mortar hobby shops survive? I hope so. Tammie's in Beaverton has been getting by on sales of drones and cars, but has been hit recently with a series midnight smash-and-grabs of their most valuable inventory.  The Hobby Smith soldiers on, in part because MRs volunteer to work the store. I try to spend locally when I can.

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Tacoma Trains was probably the best shop in the entire Pacific NW that I knew of for On30. I was VERY sad to see it go and I'll really miss going up to Tacoma to hit there and other non-train places in the area all at one visit.
Tammie's has next to nothing for O scale other than toy-like 3-rail stuff, but they do have an impressive shop otherwise. There was a seriously annoying guy who worked the train counter at Tammie's, the primary reason I didn't go there often on Portland trips. The last two times, he wasn't there, and I hope he's moved on. I got SO tired of his lectures about how he knows stuff about the hobby that no other people seem to know.
Hobby Smith is the same, almost no O scale. Same for Whistle Stop, but they have a LOT of good supplies, and it'll now be my primary go-to hobby shop in the region.

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Local casualties at Fort Lauderdale:
RC Hobby (gone) and Hobby Mart (all the good stuff gone, just RC now). Hobby Lobby is pathetic.
Guess I'll have to ebuy now...
Jose.

PS: I saw the bunny...

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I took this with my cell over the weekend:

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Neat vintage photo Lee. 1930s? Looks like some proper work done under the drive-in roof too.

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slateworks wrote: Neat vintage photo Lee. 1930s? 

1943. There's a faded 1940 census poster near the corner, and one to the far with for the movie, "Casablanca"

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Love the photo, it has a nice perspective.  More please.

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Steven B wrote: Love the photo, it has a nice perspective.  More please.Okay, how about these?
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nice pictureswhat brand is your gas station?Cor

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Cor V wrote: what brand is your gas station?It is a Ethyl's gas station from Woodland Scenics, with the side lot removed as well as all the post-war signs and details: http://woodlandscenics.woodlandscenics.com/show/Item/BR5849/page/1
I think I got rid of at least 1/3 of the structure to make it fit in 1943...
It is the only pre-made structure on the layout. The rest are modified kits and a lot of scratch built structures.

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Lee, love the B&W and sepia photos...really fine!

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As they say down here in Tweetsie country, YEAH BUDDY!:Salute:  Nice phone.  I've been reached out and touched.  Good job Lee.

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The On30 Annual is out now and even though I've yet to get my own copy (I have the digital proof of my article, though), I've already gotten some email kudos for it.
Funny how you never know how others are going to take what you put out there, but I never excepted the warm reception in the hobby I've gotten with my layout!

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Great photo's still need more......Peter

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I don't think I've ever seen anyone taking photos of a magazine alongside the real layout, so I figured, why now?

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Wow, that the most mooses I've EVER got here!

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hmmmmmmmmm , nice
 I have to order a copy
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I made the signs for the
heck of it, but the number boards and scale Whitcomb builders plates are for
the new On30 Bachmann diesel.

These were printed on
white decal paper, from Micro Mark.




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Earlier, I did these decals on blank MicroScale decal paper, for the stencils that will go along the

main 'carbody' of the locomotive.

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I've decided to keep it in its yellow paint, and will paint the running gear and frame black.


A 1/43 GI figure will be
sitting in the engineer's seat once it's done.


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Over the weekend, I got stuff done.
First, I took some Wiseman castings of lanterns and made a short bench for them to be at the station stop at Winner. I like how they turned out, in spite of them being insanely small. The bench I made from some scrap wood.

Then, I put the self-made decals for the Whitcomb 50-tonner for the Army markings and builder plates. I decided on very light weathering, but enough to see it's been used in the short time the locomotive would have been on the line. I limited the weathering to what it would look like on any given day before heading back to the Army spur and the first Sergeant having a look at how 'his' engine looks at the end of the duty day.
It's sort of hard to see, but I put a little bit of weathering on each end and along the running years but a little highlights and just a tiny little bit of smudges along a car body and the roof as well as the area of people would be walking into the cab from along the walkway.
Other than that, I think the Army would keep it just about as clean as it appears here, especially if it was brand new not long ago when they got it.



This last shot shows the wear I placed from footprints and grime along the steps and walkways, which would accumulate almost right away...

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Very effective Lee. Those little touches add so much to the overall look.

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Thank you.
I’m sure I’ll eventually hear someone say it is “Way too clean” for a backwoods narrow gauge railroad during WW2.
But having been an Army officer in my past, I know all too well that dirty equipment is not a common thing in a stateside training environment. Sergeants live for the equipment being clean and will smite any wayward solider who doesn’t live up to that standard, as if from an Old Testament object lesson. Road grime would be impossible to keep off a working locomotive, though. So it had to have a little bit of wear.
I made small stencils for acceptance test markings on the lower ends of each hood, copied from real markings I saw in a WW2 photo. It gives a date in February, 1943 and mentions acceptance testing at the Holabird signal corps depot (which was an Ordnance depot up to 1942) in Baltimore. Most operators will likely never notice the markings at all, and very unlikely will read them, but I know it’s there.
To me, it is tough to know when to stop with weathering. For example, I also weathered this coach to a light degree and when I was done and stepped back, I realized I really liked seeing something that looked well used but not abused:

All that said, I fully expect someone eventually will decry, “It’s too new looking!”
I really wanted to paint the frame and running gear solid black, but the stanchions holding the uncoupling levers appear to be glued into the pilot. That, and the running gear and built into the frame (it’s not built like most diesels, where the body is one piece and the running gear is another, and the motor is mounted in an internal frame) and masking off all that would have been really tough.

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Last night, I was playing around with long exposures in the dark and the glow from my cell phone (with a solid blue screen) to stand in for 'moonlight'. I think it didn't turn out too bad:

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That's very clever. I must try that tonight.

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Hi Lee :wave:



AWESOME nite pic. !

I am a big fan of after hours photography.

Winston Link ... & now Lee B !! ;)


Hunters details look great.


The Whitcomb is a nice job, if you ask me.

Under-weathered ? ... Nar, no way.

Some things are new, or cleaned & have vibrant colour.

Good move, I do like yella things like my HO G.E. & Tri-ang road-switcher ...

... & of course anything Caterpillar !! :cool:



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I was looking to make a cow fence, using the type of gate my parents described to me in use through the 60s or so. People would make pockets for boards to go across an opening as nobody could afford a 'new fangled' gate of any kind. Here's what a real gate like that look like along the ET&WNC, around 1949 or so:

As I put the fence on my cow pasture onto the layout, I tried my best to re-create that. Here it is before the glue dried:

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Lee, I really like that photo, I can easily fill in the colors.  I also appreciate your eye for details. How many would notice that while looking at the train? 
Where I grew up we just strung wire between a few posts and made loops on the far post that we wanted to attach them to.  Thats a pretty nice idea too.  Nice little detail not seen on most layouts.

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Steven B wrote: I really like that photo, I can easily fill in the colors.  I also appreciate your eye for details. How many would notice that while looking at the train? 

Where I grew up we just strung wire between a few posts and made loops on the far post that we wanted to attach them to.  Thats a pretty nice idea too.  Nice little detail not seen on most layouts.


Thanks, Steven, I really appreciated that!

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I moved the civil war memorial into some trees, and I think it looks way better there.

Adjacent to that, I just completed a cow field, complete with hay pen, water bucket and cow pies. All I need to do now is to finish painting the two cow figures I have for it:

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It’s not exactly an update on the layout itself, but I consider the room as part of it, as the layout dominates the room instead of being a little part of it. For over a year after the layout took shape, the back wall in the room was totally bare. Before the layout was there, this room was mostly for housing/displaying my WW2 collection and looked like a small museum, so for me it was odd to have a bare wall for so long. With that in mind, I got some RR-related stuff (added to 1940s-related stuff as the layout takes place then) over the past few months and decorated the place to look more display-friendly.

The 'war job' poster is a reproduction, added to the wall yesterday. The number plate on the right of that was nabbed very inexpensively off eBay. It’s made from a plastic-covered foam substance. It's as light as a piece of like-sized cardboard and was easy to hang up and looks great on the wall (I assume it will fool a few people who see it without knowing the story ahead of time) and is a great replica of the ET&WNC's # 9 number plate. The reproduction 1939 poster to the right of that came from the Avery County Museum in NC. It dropped right into an inexpensive frame I bought on the following morning and it was up on the wall in a few minutes. Dir3ctly below that is an original 1880s ET&WNC stock certificate. The certificate to the right of that is an original stock certificate from the Linville River, an ET&WNC subsidiary. The painting above that is a Howard Fogg print. The 1943 builder's plate to the right of that is an inexpensive aluminum reproduction which I painted and weathered. And to the far right is a frame with various pins from railroads, museums and various places I've been (including unit insignia from my Army days on the bottom row).

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Lee, I can't tell you how much I enjoy looking at your layout...the detailing is terrific! The posters and other items on the wall tell their own stories and go with the layout and theme. Please keep on posting photos, they are an inspiration to me and everyone else.
Thank you.

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Thanks, Woodie!
I've gotten plenty of good feedback here and on a couple of other forums I post stuff on.
It's of course good to know that there are indeed some people like what I do.

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Hi Lee,

All the details makes that the layout comes more alive. Step by step, I like it.

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I took these a couple of hours ago with my cell, noticing the afternoon light...


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Hey Lee, this scene is really nicely balanced.  I like the store very much, it screams East Tennessee.  I have to ask, did you scratch your house or is it modified.  It too is a very nice model.  Thanks for posting!

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I agree.  Great looking scene.  Terrific photography, too.

I just got back from a trip that included west Tennessee.  Bolivar, TN to be exact, to visit an aviation friend.  Traveled from Virginia (Prince George) across the entire state of Tennessee, doing the Blue Ridge Parkway on the way.  

Passed Bucksnort, TN on the way from Nashville.  


And I thought I lived out in the sticks in Shelton, WA...

Yes, the scene definitely evokes rural Tennessee.

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Steven B wrote: Hey Lee, this scene is really nicely balanced.  I like the store very much, it screams East Tennessee.  I have to ask, did you scratch your house or is it modified.  It too is a very nice model.  Thanks for posting!



Thanks, Steve!
Yeah, the farm house is scratch built. The gas station is a Woodland Scenics "Ethyl's" gas station with about 1/3 of it removed as a lot of it is postwar. I also removed all the signs and put up more correct stuff for the time and place.


Reg H wrote:
I agree.  Great looking scene.  Terrific photography, too.

I just got back from a trip that included west Tennessee.  
And I thought I lived out in the sticks in Shelton, WA...

Thanks, Reg!
I know the area you mention, but Stoney Creek is rural even for Tennessee.
For example, this is "downtown" Hunter, TN:



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I finished these figures yesterday, one 1940s boy scout and two GIs in their Class As and a pilot. The pilot, I really don't think works on a stateside RR in the South during the summertime, but I have to remind myself that plenty of non-Air Corps people in the Army wore A-2 jackets anyway. I think I'll keep him on the pilot (pun intended) of my Whitcomb for now...
The painting was done with the smallest brushes I could find but I might go back and re-try to the SGT stripes on the two eventually.



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Nice job on the figure painting. The pilot "on the pilot" of the dismal is a hoot!

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Hi Lee, I don't know if you were aware by the ETSU has the Carter Museum on campus and an HOn3 layout of the Tweetsie. We haven't had a chance to go yet, but one of the guys forwarded this link to me. We are hoping to go some time in the near future as a little field trip. - Steve

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnxc-PZSIj4

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Oh my. That is a lot smaller than Bolivar, which even has a statue of Simon Bolivar.
We didn't stay in Bolivar.  Almost every local hotel/motel review I read included observations/complaints about the homeless relatives of the manager living in one (or more) of the rooms.  
We stayed in Brentwood, close to Nashville.  Brentwood is a very pleasant location.
Of course, we had to pass Bucksnort on our way to Bolivar.  I suppose I should have stopped, but we were short on time.
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Steven B wrote: Hi Lee, I don't know if you were aware by the ETSU has the Carter Museum on campus and an HOn3 layout of the Tweetsie. We haven't had a chance to go yet, but one of the guys forwarded this link to me. We are hoping to go some time in the near future as a little field trip. - Steve



Reg H wrote: Oh my. That is a lot smaller than Bolivar, which even has a statue of Simon Bolivar.
We didn't stay in Bolivar.  Almost every local hotel/motel review I read included observations/complaints about the homeless relatives of the manager living in one (or more) of the rooms.  
We stayed in Brentwood, close to Nashville.  Brentwood is a very pleasant location.
Of course, we had to pass Bucksnort on our way to Bolivar.  I suppose I should have stopped, but we were short on time.

Small towns can give you the coolest stories when you travel. My wife and I did a cross-country road trip from my childhood home in Tallahassee, Florida, back to our place )(returning the rental car at SeaTac the day after we got home). We put over 5000 miles on that rental SUV. The neatest stuff we saw was out-of-the-way stuff in small communities along the way.

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Yep.  On our way west from Virginia we were in Strasburg country but didn't feel we had the time to stop (It was neither a train vacation or aviation vacation...strictly a history vacation) but almost went whipping by the National Toy Train Museum.  

It is easy to miss, as it is not on a main highway, nor actually on the secondary highway that goes through Strasburg.  Just a little road side sign. Almost missed it.
We spent a bit more than an hour there.  It was a great stop.
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No offense Reg, but I'd have hit the RR Museum of Pennsylvania and bagged on the toy train museum there (I've been to Strasburg plenty of times over the years and have never hit the toy train museum there). The PA RR museum is very impressive.
It's a shame you couldn't catch any trains from the Strasburg running at the time!

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Oh, I agree.  But we were on a time schedule I would have wanted to spend at least a day. That would have meant taking out one of Philadelphia, Gettysburg or Montecello.  Like I said, this one was a history tour.   

We drove right by Strasburg.  Practically killed me.

Perhaps one day I can make an east coast railroad tour.  Or combined aviation/railroad tour.  I would like to do the Pennsylvania RR museum, the Strasburg and the Tweetsie.

Add other areas to that list, and I would like to hit the Colorado narrow gauge scene and the Nevada Northern.
 

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I've been lucky. Over the years (I'm not even 50 years old yet), I've been to several countries and all 50 states. I've managed to visit every single narrow gauge railroad in the US that has existed in my lifetime (including Alaska and Hawaii) with only 3 exceptions. Ironically, one is the Sumpter Valley, in Oregon (just a few hours from here, but not on the way to anywhere). I've also hit every major RR museum in the nation, with less than 3-4 exceptions (including Nevada Northern).
Reg H wrote:
Perhaps one day I can make an east coast railroad tour.  Or combined aviation/railroad tour.  I would like to do the Pennsylvania RR museum, the Strasburg and the Tweetsie. Yeah, the problem there is that all that stuff is very far apart. Just getting from Steamtown to Strasburg, both in the same state, would take an entire day on the road and you wouldn't have hardly any time to see anything at either. Then there's the dormant East Broad Top, in yet another corner of the state. No way could you even lay eyes on all three in a single day, let along experience them fully.
Tweetsie is near Boone, NC and that's not on the way to anywhere.

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FYI: Now that Photobucket has made it insanely expensive to host photos to 3rd-party site ($400 a year, they say), you soon won't be able to see any of these photos.
I currently have an ongoing membership I paid for, and I'm sure once that runs out, none of these photo links will be visible.

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Hi Lee



What PhotoBucket.Com have done to their users photography, is a huge let down to their commitment & all the membership fees they have paid them over literally years of supporting their business.



They seem to think, that their corporate-greed is acceptable behaviour.
I think their users are already leaving PhotoBucket.Com in droves.
Why would ANYONE, fee paying or not, trust a corporation like this after what they have done.



I see today, that they seem to have disabled any way of viewing their users comments, via their various web presences.
Replaced by their corporate double-speak of, I see you have some questions etc. etc. etc.
Of course there are plenty of places their users can comment, which they cannot control.



They claim to care about their users photos, sharing & creativity.



But all they really care about is MONEY $$$ MONEY $$$ MONEY.



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I agree, but the issue now is that I don't think I'll be posting many photos anymore, here or elsewhere.
There's no other photo hosting site that I'm aware of that will allow this, for an affordable price (I'm okay with paying something reasonable, but NOT 400 bucks a year).
I wonder if Flickr eventually will do this?

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Hi Lee


Just use the FREE Members Gallery here at Freerails, to Post photos to the Site.


Members model railroading photos are welcome here, either in the Members Gallery, or as simple attachments.


It is what it is there for & ensures the photos are where the Thread is.


It can't really be more simple than that.


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I can feel your pain after being let down by the ransomeware of PB and losing all my photos on 4 fora. But Si is right better to use the photo hosting services of the fora and continue with the camaraderie of the modeling sites.

Looking forward to a new way of posting pictures.:rah::rah::rah:

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Here are a few I took this afternoon...






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Nice buildings and I do like your chap dozing in the chair in the last photo Lee. Which range is he from?

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The B&W photos are very effective. Really give a historic look to the RR.

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Hi Lee :wave:



I love seeing all the colourful stuff on peoples railroads ...

... but as someone who has spent hours, no make that days or weeks even ...

... with fingers in dishes of B&W print developer ...


... I LOVE THE MONOCHROME PHOTOS ! :bg:



:Salute: :Salute: :Salute: :Salute: :Salute:



I'd def. give those 5-G.I.s for original '40s atmosphere !

( the mooses have wandered off for now ;) )



I almost think the B&Ws could have come straight out of the pages of Robert Franks 'The Americans' ( fantastic book ).

Or perhaps from ol' school southerner William Eggleston, when he left his Kodacolor at home. :shocked:



C :cool: :cool: L



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How about Dorthea Lang, 'cept the war is on.  Love 'em Lee.

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Thanks, Doc G, Si, Slateworks and Steven for the kind words!
I'm thinking of trying to pitch an article to a magazine on using a simple cell phone to get unique layout shots, as you can get a cell camera within millimeters of a subject and get shots you'd never get with a large-lens camera.
slateworks wrote: Nice buildings and I do like your chap dozing in the chair in the last photo Lee. Which range is he from?
Thanks! The large industrial building and the farmhouse were scratchbuilt. The flag stop is a Grandt Line kit, and the gas station is a highly-modified Woodland Scenics Ethyl's Gas Station pre-built structure.The sleeping man is an Arttista O scale figure #1264. Ebay vendors have plenty of them. That's one of my favorite figures. He was originally sitting at the front of the gas station but I wanted him more out in the open.

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Thanks Lee. I rather thought I recognised the Arttista style but wasn't sure.

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slateworks wrote: Thanks Lee. I rather thought I recognised the Arttista style but wasn't sure.
Any time I can help!
More cell shots...









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Great use of the back lighting.
How do you get your cell to take such great photos???
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Reg H wrote: Great use of the back lighting.

How do you get your cell to take such great photos???

Reg


It's a new phone (but a piece of junk in other ways as it routinely tries to re-format my SD card and I have to pop out the battery all the time as it won't re-charge otherwise), with a good camera.
Lighting helps, too. I mostly take the shots late in the day where I sometimes get sunlight coming through the window. Nothing beats natural light!

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I just painted these two cows to look like the normal breeds in that area in this timeframe.







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I noticed that my ET&WNC caboose from a kit is now featured on the kit mfg's website. Talk about validation!
I was happy to see that as I'm eternally grateful for them making a kit of a caboose that would have been a nightmare to scratch-build.

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A good moose just can't resist a cool caboose !



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Arh ! ... Nice cow pictures just appeared !

That lil' scene I like, are you gonna have some kinda water trough ?

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Lee B wrote: I noticed that my ET&WNC caboose from a kit is now featured on the kit mfg's website. Talk about validation!
I was happy to see that as I'm eternally grateful for them making a kit of a caboose that would have been a nightmare to scratch-build.
That is a very nice model and a very good build. Good job!!

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The weathering is nicely restrained on the caboose Lee, very realistic.

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Doctor G wrote: Lee B wrote: I noticed that my ET&WNC caboose from a kit is Si. wrote:

Arh ! ... Nice cow pictures just appeared !

That lil' scene I like, are you gonna have some kinda water trough ?


Probably. I just got some tan grass that I'll make into a 'busted up hay bale" near the feeding area. I have a water bucket out there for now, though.


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The weathering is nicely restrained on the caboose Lee, very realistic.
Thank you very much. I based it on the real-life hack I modeled and how it looked during the war. I couldn't find an online photo but this shows what it looked like a few years later, after they'd repainted it but had to replace some boards:

Thankfully, this hack became a cabin on a lake, was saved and is in a museum today, under restoration.


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Hi Lee :wave:



What on earth is that train running on ? ???

It looks like a flimsy boarded over trestle.

But surely not.



Are those 'drop bottom' cars ?

Are they unloading something there ?

Curious minds need to know !



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Si. wrote:
What on earth is that train running on ? ???



It looks like a flimsy boarded over trestle.



But surely not.







Are those 'drop bottom' cars ?



Are they unloading something there ?



Curious minds need to know !







Si.





The trestle is the covered wooden deck bridge outside of Hampton, TN (not to be confused with the often-photo'd covered bridge a mile or so up the gorge from there). The wood was showing its age by then as the RR didn't have much longer to live by the time this was taken.
The gondolas are converted flat cars. Not drop-bottom cars, though they did have those, too.
I converted several Bachmann 'high gons' to look like these:

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Hi again Lee :wave:



Thanks for that.



I still don't understand WHY a trestle would be covered like that. L:

The first thing that comes to my mind & possibly why I've never seen such a thing before ...

... is it looks like a very large area of wind-resistance ...

... surely NOT a great move on such a structure ?



???



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Had some fun over the last few days...


I ran an op session on Thursday and it went great. The two guys who ran on the layout had never been here before and gave me some pretty good feedback on a couple of things that I think I'm going to use the next time people run trains here. They seemed to really enjoy everything. You never know how people are going to take these things, so it's always nice when it works out well.



Disregard the caboose photo, but the two metal signs on the top edge of the wall I recently got from a vendor in Tennessee and got installed there yesterday. They made a ET&WNC one, but it was really small. The other is a reproduction of an ad the locomotive company took out during World War II. It's screams of that time period, so I had to have it. Along the top edge seemed to be a pretty good place for them.

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I didn't do much with the layout but worked on some detail stuff...
I added oil cans to the tender decks of each locomotive.





I also made several switch stands. They'll sit on small masonite bases, and will be numbered for the nearest turnout so anyone in an op session can tell which turnout pull, by number, will operate which turnout.





They're kits from Details West, in HO scale. They're pretty tall for that scale and are about eye level in O scale, which is fine for narrow gauge. Found the kits on eBay for about a buck and a half each.


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Another random cell shot:

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Most realistic Lee as is the fuel load in the earlier tender photo. B&W photos certainly help with the atmosphere of the scenes.

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slateworks wrote: Most realistic Lee as is the fuel load in the earlier tender photo. B&W photos certainly help with the atmosphere of the scenes.

Thanks. The coal load is real crushed coat. I just coated the plastic coal load on the tender with white glue, coated it with crushed coal, then shook off the remaining once the glue dried. Simple, but effective. I did that with 3 of my 4 ten-wheelers (the 4th is still as-is, out of the box).

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@Lee B
re oil can on tender deck - it's great for that optical effect but we would never have put it there in real life. And I have some experience with real steamers.

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Helmut wrote: @Lee B

re oil can on tender deck - it's great for that optical effect but we would never have put it there in real life. And I have some experience with real steamers.

Actually, I based the placement on a photo of an oil can of that design exactly in that spot. on one of the tender decks of a locomotive of the RR I model. I don't have it online to show, though.
I also have another shot of a signal lantern in the same spot on a different date. It seems to be a place they put stuff from time to time as there was something that would keep an object from sliding off that part of the tender.

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Hi Lee :wave:



Pleased to hear that the ops. session went well.

Sounds like fun.

Would love to be there.

The round trip to Washington could be a problem though ! :shocked:



The coal looks great, I really noticed that.

A major step forward, compared to 'plastic coal'.



I find that cell-photos of models are often BETTER than using 100s of Bucks worth of camera stuff.





I like all of your cell-pix. Lee.

But this one kinda goes to the top of the pile for me.

It just has that certain 'something'.

The foreground really looks good, just like dude in dung with a Kodak ! ;)

Bring back the Box-Brownie ! :P



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Yes-sir-eee! Very cool photo there, looks like it came from Beebe & Clegg's "Mixed Train Daily", one of my favorite books.

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W C Greene wrote: Yes-sir-eee! Very cool photo there, looks like it came from Beebe & Clegg's "Mixed Train Daily", one of my favorite books.



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I find that cell-photos of models are often BETTER than using 100s of Bucks worth of camera stuff.

I like all of your cell-pix. Lee. But this one kinda goes to the top of the pile for me. It just has that certain 'something'.


Thanks much, gents! I pretty much post only what I think I'd want to see of someone else's layout. I like how that specific shot turned out. It looked decent in color, but in b/w, it really 'pops'.

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Hi Lee,
Please keep the "good stuff" coming. That photo has loads of "atmosphere". :bow::bow::bow::bow::2t:

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I love the monochrome.  It really adds atmosphere.
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The Quonset hut for the layout’s army spur is pretty much finished, I only have a few small details to put in place, such as the bulletin board on the side, a butt can for used smokes at the front door, and some wood flooring just inside where the door is opened just a little.


Here’s what it looked like as the dull coat spray was drying. I used powdered chalks for the rust, which looked way better than any paint. I might have gone a little overboard with the rust, but it’s supposed to represent a hut that was abandoned in place at least a year and a half previously.

The concept was an army unit came into the area in early 1942 to help rebuild the aging line that hadn’t seen much work since the ICC denied the application to abandon the line in 1940. So, a new Army Railway Operating Battalion has just arrived to train troops in narrow-gauge railroad operations. I have two scale 2 ½ ton trucks, a command car, and several Jeeps (all with correct stateside markings). The hut has a open space of pre-fab airfield material called, “Marsten matting”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marston_Mat
Sadly, the matting got a weathering treatment that –while accurate- almost renders it invisible to casual observers.

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Nice vintage look to the military operations. I think I see the matting to the left of the Quonset Hut. Correct???   Doc Tom

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I finished the bulletin board (with images of real WW2 railroad unit memos, not that you could read them from the layout's edge, though). I also made a unit sign for the front door, all printed onto cardstock.



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