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 Posted: Tue Sep 20th, 2016 12:13 pm
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Tony, I've used that Krylon textured paint on other projects.  It works good, but it goes on very wet, so don't do a lot of touching until it's dry.  Kinda like oatmeal.

I've been using 5/16"-3/8" thick anti-fatigue matting for my roadbed in O scale.  Lowes hardware used to sell it by the 36" or so wide roll.  I cut stripes of it using a box cutter knife then beveled the sides on my bandsaw.  Here's an old photo (the middle rail is now gone) showing the rubbery matting:



I wish I had tried the textured paint as ballast instead of actually ballasting the track.  I think it would look fine and be less messy if a cardboard shield is used to keep overspray down to a minimum.  I use Ross and Gargraves track, hence the thick ties.  Atlas O track is beautiful but expensive.

Here's a photo of it ballasted on the outer edges (no ballast in the center):



The track in the foreground lies flat on the layout, ,the track in the background is on the rubber roadbed.

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 Posted: Tue Sep 20th, 2016 10:58 pm
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Thankfully I have ballast down on all the track now. There will be some tidying up and addition of more glue and ballast in some places over the next week or two but the back of the job has been broken.

I used the foam camping mat on one layout for the ballast shoulder. Good luck with the spray paint.

The moral of those pictures BobD. The whole scene looks so much better with the removal of that 3rd rail and ballasting.
What you are doing would have to be a good fit for outdoor running in the US if the various 'G' scales didn't suit.

If I was going outdoors here with HO I would be running battery/rc with diesel lashups. It worked for me years ago with my home made gear and nowadays with much smaller equipment available off the shelf it would be so much easier.

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 Posted: Wed Sep 21st, 2016 01:32 am
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Here we see some of the results of the recent working bee.

An extra dose of diluted PVA for the lift section methinks :>;)

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Bob

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 Posted: Wed Sep 21st, 2016 01:52 am
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HI Bob D and Bob C, three rail how does it work like Marklin AC with the pick up studs in the centre of the track, less issues with revises loops.

Nice work on the ballast Bob, I won't be using any underlay , will think of blasting later once the layout is up and running, another added expensive cost.

Till I came across this you tube link wow model railway sure has come along into the future and caught up with the real railways when coming to ballasting track, 64 Euro on eBay, a must idem added to the wish list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEuUvHHrYTc

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Here we see some of the results of the recent working bee.

An extra dose of diluted PVA for the lift section methinks :>;)

Cheers
Bob


Nice bob looking good, battery has come along way now even in HO scale, I would like to go that way, no need for transformers only fro use in signals and point motors.

I did the mowing yesterday, trimmed four hedges did the whipper snipping and blowing out and ran out of battery power out of two36amp batteries, had to wait ill charge up a batter to finish the blowing out.

I will have to do the hedge trimming on separate day.

Tony from down under

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I'll stand corrected but from memory the Lionel type 3 rail system uses AC with a low for the reverse where Marklin use a high voltage reverse for their 3 rail systems.. much more reliable.
The scale modellers in the 3 rail era used stud or outside third (or if modelling an electrified system they didn't need to add an extra rail). They would normally use DC for control.

Bruce Lovett made a much cheaper version of a ballast spreader using an empty Brut33 container. It was an article in AMRM years ago.

A lot less trouble charging batteries than pulling and cleaning an oily plug,air filter, blocked carbie etc Tony

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That was a cool ballast spreader in the video!

There's so many ways of running trains these days it's mind boggling.

With O scale 3-rail you have conventional with an AC transformer, you have the MTH DCS PS2 and PS3 command and control systems. The PS2 engines use a constant 18vac on the rails and it gets converted to DC inside the engine. PS3 can use AC or DC and has DCC capability.

Lionel also has their TMCC and Legacy systems, both AC, converted to DC in the engine.

Both Lionel and MTH have wifi available now.

Atlas and 3rd Rail use Lionel's TMCC. MTH's DCS can run Lionels's trains but Lionel's system can't run MTHs trains except in conventional mode.

I'm typing this at 2am so I hope I got all that right it's been raining solid for almost 3 days now, it woke me up at 12:30am!

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 Posted: Wed Sep 21st, 2016 07:43 am
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Hi Bob D, ouch that is a hell of a lot of rain three days and still going what has the weather people being saying any let up yet.

We would be in trouble with that amount of rain by now cut off.

Yeah it is mind blowing now it is that word technology, at least now you can have fun on the layout doing ballast duty, have that unit up front and a stack of ballast wagons behind, is now on my wish list.

Was a great find I was looking at different technics in ho to ballast your track.

I have the Origen time on the lap top as I have a friend that lives in that state and the British time, You must be 2 hours ahead, it is5.30pm over here Wednesday.

I still have my very first loco I got for my 5th birthday it is a Hornby 0 gauge clock work tank steamy, still have the track as well in fair condition. PLan to give the loco a new least of life adding a coach that will have a battery powered bogie, my train club has a very good garden railway.

The loco is 57 years old, I may buy some new 0 scale track as well.

Tony from down under

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Tony, I think it's suppose to rain for another 2-3 days! Back in May I think we had 20+ days of rain, I work at a local golf course twice/wk and business suffered. We just aerated our greens on Sept 12th so business has slacked off anyway, but this rain is making it worse.

I didn't go back to sleep until 03:30, just got up!

I didn't have any trains when I was a kid, my 1st train was 38 years ago, a Bachmann HO 2-8-0 set. My ex-mother-in-law got it for my 1st born, which turned out to be a girl (and whose birthday is today!) so I got ownership of it!

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 Posted: Wed Sep 21st, 2016 10:56 pm
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Hi Bob C , a friend was telling me he didn't have the issue with reverse loop on AC Marklin like DC has, I will have two reverse loops mainly to turn around the Indian Pacific when coming out of Sydney.

I have heard of Bruce Lovett, heard his name a lot at AMRA QLD branch.

There is another video in the links of that video showing how it works being pulled by a loco, need some sort of conveyer belt to feed the tray from ballast wagons.

Not a cloud in the sky bright sunny morning a bit nippy though, be like that for the next few days and warming up, will make the most of it working on the layout.

Tony from SE/QLD

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You should certainly be able to run your clockwork on the SM32 track at AMRA Tony. I assume it is run as dead rail so your uninsulated wheels will not be an issue.

An advantage of using a third rail is simplifying the wiring required when the outer rail meets the inner rail at wyes, and reverse loops (the two outer rails are the same polarity). It just requires some automated or manual switching for 2 rail where it occurs. DCC 2 rail can make use of detectors which reverse the rail feeds quick enough when detecting the s/c so as not to interrupt the running of the loco.

Sounds like flood warnings will be out in lower lying areas where you are BobD. We are having floods in western NSW, Victoria and South Australia at the moment.
Might get above 10 degrees today if we are lucky. Not good weather for drying ballast :>)

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