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This is a test post to see if a new thread will show my posts. With no access to the G (gallery) button at the moment I am also adding photos as attachments for a trial. This shows the method for making a curved track reusing C100 rail now I no longer have my track laying jig. regards  Bob

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Yippeeee!!! Seems to work....or at least I can now see my post. Only issue seems to be I can only upload one photo attachment at a time but so what. I can live with that. Here's the siding a bit further along in its construction.

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Nice one Bob !

I guess a rename with 'indoors' as well was a good move.

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Thanks Si.
I have never found where I could alter the thread name or I would have done it on the original one.

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Hi Bob.

It's not possible to alter the thread name once it's started.
So that feature is not there to be found !

Bob, you Aussies are kinda in Winter right now ?
So this is the indoor phase of operations ?
What temperature was it today ?

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Hi Si, according to the media is is now spring... pity the planet does not recognise that fact :>)

However that said it is quite warm overnight here. Overcast and raining so the temp range likely to be a minimum of 12C and a maximum of 13C.
Winter has been very mild. About 5C warmer than normal with minimums close to 0C compared to the usual -5C and only two days at -7C. This warm usually starts about mid September.
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Hey Bob.
Looks like I'm following you around but fear not just having a sticky beak at what's happening here and saw your thread.
Since I haven't been in Australia for the past Month, West Australia or should I say Perth has had some massive doses of rain and cold now I 'm back it's still chilly at night but no rain during the day just sunny so it might be time to clean up the car port a bit and see what I can find in all those boxes that have somehow survived the winter.
I need some Kadees so I hope there are some on the freight cars that are hidden away and at the same time I will get a box of turnouts together for you, well, at least put them aside at the moment.
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Hi Nev, it takes some days to get back in the swing again I find after overseas trips. Often the priorities have changed while being away and given time to think. I have some friends here in town who just arrived back from a month in blighty. They went for a daughters second wedding and did some train and car sightseeing while they were there. cheers Bob
p.s. I have been busy doing the first of the lawnmowing today and soon it will be preparing the veggie patches.

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Hi Bob, pure awesome, gee I will have to agrees with what everyone is saying use of scrap stuff into something well done, are you scratch building your points and track as well.

I have a thread on Being 737 fuselage for a train load and scratch built a 737 in 87 scale because you can't 737 kits in the scale the closed scale is 100th scale.

Couldn't actually cut up a perfect 737 kit and stuff it up, why had a go of building my own, used 1mm sheet cardboard and plaster to shave the front nose, and glues the sections together. Next fuselage I will make in full piece as I had trouble lining up mainly the tail section, took a month to build.

Did notice in a earl post you get snow in Glen Innes, how cold des it drop for it to snow, we have to go to Warwick, stay in Warwick for the weekend because the snow doesn't last long I have never seen snow will get the chance one day.

You said you were in your third decade in AMRA, I am in my second, being in AMRA for 16 years, did you get your pen and note book from AMRA nice pen

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Thanks Tony, if you look at the last page of my original thread you will see some pics of the points I made years ago.
They are made from recycled code 100 from HO track, pc board sleepers (every 5th or 6th one) then wood sleepers to fill in the gaps .For most of the time I just used balsa out of my r/c plane scrap box but these have sugar pine ones made by Kappler. The plain track was made in a jig, fully assembled for the straight sections and only one side soldered and glued for any curved sections; the other rail added once in place. I mainly reused them this time to save on cost of points and/or time to build new ones out of Peco C124. A friend of mine built about 36 points in C124 including slips for his new layout as a first project.

It doesn't have to be that cold on the ground to snow, it is more about upper air temperature. In Glen it can drop to about -12C during winter.

I actually said it is my third time as an AMRA member.I first joined in the 70's but dropped out of model railways a couple of times over the years to do other things.
Yes, it is a nice pen.

The 737 sounds like a good train load project, by doing it yourself you get something unique too.

If you want to see a layout done on an even tighter budget than mine have a look at Greg Hunter's 'G' scale layout. Very well suited to the outdoors and runs very nicely on battery power.
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/satr/satr.htm

I don't know if you ever saw the layout 'Bolivia' at the Brisbane exhibition. It is based on the area around here. One of the three operators was me.

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Being the lazy sod that I am, I find that not having to do weathering for outdoor structures a boon... nature does it for me :>;)


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A NSWGR layout based in the late 50's/60's was exhibited at the Gauge O Guild convention at Telford in the UK last weekend. The convention is open to the public as well as GOG members.
A big and expensive exercise for the owners of this exhibition layout to transport from Australia to the UK and now to have to be returned.
Done especially for the 60th anniversary of the guild.
Here is a clip of it as it was a couple of years back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP6CQoOg2V8

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Hi Bob, yeah I saw the last page of your other post, I bought a few years back those PVA brass plated strips to build my own point will give it a go.

Gee the coldest it has got up here in winter is -5 degrees and we have very heavy frost, this winter was a mild winter, not frost.

That is some layout your friend has built going by his track plan and all scratch built, I am flat out doing a day here and there, have a disabled son but working on the layout tomorrow.

Friday I will be working on fitting a spring to a kadee on one of my NR class locos and replacing the draw bar on the Flying Scot duel tende with those Lima stile couplers, the second water tender is powered.

Yeah I am the only member that is modelling the 737 as a train load, plan to build four of them including a 757 which is the same width as the 737. Got the wind turbine blades as a train load too but on the drawing board, have made one so far, need to be able to bend on curves, I am thinking of using fiver glass, hope it will bend the blade lengths are 20 inches long, modelled on the 45mete blades.

I was at AMRA's show on the Saturday was on one of the exit doors close to the coffee shop, gee we would of passed each other not knowing, are you going to next years Brisbane train show.

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The repair crew started their work on the platform today. regards  Bob

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Hi Bob how has the repair gang going with the repairs on the platform, that seams to be our night mare with timber outside mother nature sure can do some damage.

Some of the blokes on another forum are using that plastic wood for track bases, expensive way to do.

Wen t to AMRA yesterday a lot more members there was quitter in the afternoon I managed to run my Indian Pacific with 18cars and two NR class locos. Had a couple of issues with the coaches derailing, I am going to have to fix the couplers as some have the bigger Lima couplers and small could of being the problem.

Here is a pic of the clubs garden railway they have three gauges

We had the first storms yesterday for spring, nice rain good for the grass.

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Hi Tony, the only wood on the platform is the balsa sides.
That and the ply station and goods shed are issues despite being given many coats of shellac before painting.
They will be replaced with styrene ones eventually. All my styrene structures have only to be painted occasionally.

Yes, I have been there and watched a couple of trains running one day.
Long trains with bogie mount couplers will tend to pull the bogies sideways causing the problem you describe.

You can read the materials used on my layout on the start of the other thread...very little wood.

Bob

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Hi Bob I won't that problem with the layout being modular set up, the only hassle is setting it up and packaging it up.

With Sydney Central station building will have to build it out of MDF board 3mm with pine frames.

Looks like I will have to bite the dust and body mount the couplers to the carriage body, big job got about 30 to do, the only way to have a smooth running train.

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With many wet days lately I have been doing more work indoors. A job I hate is bulk ballasting however it needs to be done. A cheat method I often used when laying track I knew was to only have a short life was to spray the track and ballast area a dark grey  and bring the ground cover up to the edge of where the ballast would be. There is not much room for altering things on this layout so I will just have to get on with it. :>;) Here is a photo of part of what I have done so far. cheers  Bob

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Hi Bob, I haven't made up my mind if I will do any ballasting if I do I am thinking of heavy grade sand paper, the blokes in England use roofing felt, has a rough s stone affect, I don't think we can get it over here.

I am painting all my modules a darkish glay colour now was thinking of a course glay colour sand but if for some reason you to move the track be hard to lift with out damaging the track.

Tony

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Because the track is harder to remove,clean and re-lay once ballasted is why I developed the method of using paint and bringing the ground cover up to the ballast line. Feel free to use the idea yourself Tony, I did not patent the idea ! :>;)
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 p.s. I use Australian Export 'machinery grey' as the base paint these days. Detail it with chalks or dry brush later if desired.

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PPS
Soaking ballasted track that was glued using 50:50 PVA/water mix with hot water will bring it up without damage.
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Hi Bob, actually I used a method close to your way in a test when I was modelling the Tehachapi loop, used the gray paver base and sprayed it with a lighter gray. Here is a pic, I didn't put any ballast in the middle of the track, a lot of work may do that later.

Tony

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That should be easier to recover than fully ballasted track too. That is a good thing about Peco code 100, it is robust and can be re-laid many times with some care. I used Shinohara code 70 for a time in HO but it was easily damaged. Much of the rail was handlaid with balsa sleepers for subsequent use. Later,the compromise was to use Peco code 75.
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Hi Bob, I not sure if I will ballast the track being module layout with the modules on their sides in the garden shed, same as you why I painted the modules gray for.

How are you going with the repairs on that station platform, I am figuring out how to built my platforms, last layout used ply and made it too heavy to pic up,3X 7ft module, modules are 2X6, stage two of the station complex two modules be 7feet long by still2ft wide.

In HO scale the platforms are about 16mm high that will depend if you are using an underlay on the track.

Yeah Peco track is the way to go last a long time outside, I had a length of track from the first layout and the sleepers were brittle still have a few points as well still going well and motors.

Must ask you are you using point motors outside, over in the UK they are using those car door locking motors as they are 12 volt and water proof, I will be doing the same, seen them go between 9 and 12 dollars.

To get the signals to work I will be using a SPST slide switch, has three wires. and a DPDT switch to switch the point or if I can work out to switch four at once use the remote that comes with the kit.

Rain coming in today, worked on the layout yesterday, again mid week to finish the station module's.

Tony from SE/QLD

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Raining too much at the moment to do much outdoors. I used the break in the rain yesterday to start preparing the veggie patches for the new growing season and washing etc.. very boring but needed.

The platforms outdoors are made of a centre section of Styrofoam pieces with balsa sides and fine dirt top. That method is very light; although for me it was just what I had at the time.

If you look through my first thread you will see some relay huts next to the points near the access ramp. Inside these are Peco point motors. There would be thousands of these outdoors in the UK too. If you can get car lock motors cheap, they will do the job. I can remember a couple of layouts that had them years ago. From memory they got them second hand as a job lot. I had access to them via my job and had them on a couple of layouts. I donated them when I first left modelling railways for some years.
All my points have the frog switched by a microswitch operated by the point tie bar and the closure rails are bonded to the stock rails and the points are fed via flexible wires.
When the PMG was upgrading from older automatic exchange equipment, the relays were readily available and very cheap. They had lots of contacts on them too. Many layouts still have them for operating points and signals. Some have probably had a 50 year life extension since they were obtained.

One of my friends would paint his Peco code 100 track with black house paint each year to extend the life of the sleeper base.

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Hi Bob, it is raining here now, going by boom NSW is copping the worsted of the rain band, enough to stop doing anything outside.

We used to grow vegies has two good seasons and that was it,sun was a problem only had sun in the afternoon, where I had the vegie garden, didn't want to put in the middle of the yard.

We buy those light and easy meals now, not the full programme.

Will only be using the door locking motors out side still have a few of the Peco motors, are you DCC outside, I do think I will go DCC , will be using two remote controllers and one throttle for local use shunting.

OH year that other HO/00 scale garden railway I was using, can't use it anymore, glad I started my onw tread, lazy day today.

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The layouts are all DCC, have been for many years.
I have had some of the throttles converted to radio.

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Morning Bob, rain gone, we must of had a storm last night very heavy rain.

That is interesting about converting your throttles to radio, I have two radio ones, a lot of 0 scale modules use them.

Get to use the new 36vot battery mower today, not sure if I will buy a battery chain saw.

I bought the chain saw to mainly to cut logs to size to turn on the wood lathe, I may sell that not using it as much now.

Tony.

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" One of my friends would paint his Peco code 100 track with black house paint each year to extend the life of the sleeper base."

Hi Robert & Tony.

I'm told Krylon(TM) is possibly good for such things.
It can be difficult to paint these types of plastics for outdoor use.

If these plastics are outside for a year or two...
...the U.V kinda 'etches' the surface & makes for good paint adhesion.

I believe Krylon(TM) is ideal for this.
Garden furniture & plastic diesel-tanks as well, I believe.

'U.V resistant cable-ties' I now use outside...
...ordinary ones go brittle after only a couple of years.

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Hi Si and Bob, I did a search on the net about krylon product and came across a spray paint that has a stone affect.

http://www.michaels.com/krylon-stone-coarse-texture-paint/M10170247.html

Be a big job having to cover the track rails if you use the a spray, comes in a paint tin too I don't have to worry about that with the layout being a modular set up but even in the garden shed the plastic sleepers over time goes brittle.

Can't ait to get stuck back into the layout and finishing off the last station module, looks like tomorrow is out be raining, will see, if only showers I will make a start.

Tony from SE/QLD

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Tony, I've used that Krylon textured paint on other projects.  It works good, but it goes on very wet, so don't do a lot of touching until it's dry.  Kinda like oatmeal.

I've been using 5/16"-3/8" thick anti-fatigue matting for my roadbed in O scale.  Lowes hardware used to sell it by the 36" or so wide roll.  I cut stripes of it using a box cutter knife then beveled the sides on my bandsaw.  Here's an old photo (the middle rail is now gone) showing the rubbery matting:



I wish I had tried the textured paint as ballast instead of actually ballasting the track.  I think it would look fine and be less messy if a cardboard shield is used to keep overspray down to a minimum.  I use Ross and Gargraves track, hence the thick ties.  Atlas O track is beautiful but expensive.

Here's a photo of it ballasted on the outer edges (no ballast in the center):



The track in the foreground lies flat on the layout, ,the track in the background is on the rubber roadbed.

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Thankfully I have ballast down on all the track now. There will be some tidying up and addition of more glue and ballast in some places over the next week or two but the back of the job has been broken.

I used the foam camping mat on one layout for the ballast shoulder. Good luck with the spray paint.

The moral of those pictures BobD. The whole scene looks so much better with the removal of that 3rd rail and ballasting.
What you are doing would have to be a good fit for outdoor running in the US if the various 'G' scales didn't suit.

If I was going outdoors here with HO I would be running battery/rc with diesel lashups. It worked for me years ago with my home made gear and nowadays with much smaller equipment available off the shelf it would be so much easier.

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Here we see some of the results of the recent working bee.

An extra dose of diluted PVA for the lift section methinks :>;)

Cheers
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HI Bob D and Bob C, three rail how does it work like Marklin AC with the pick up studs in the centre of the track, less issues with revises loops.

Nice work on the ballast Bob, I won't be using any underlay , will think of blasting later once the layout is up and running, another added expensive cost.

Till I came across this you tube link wow model railway sure has come along into the future and caught up with the real railways when coming to ballasting track, 64 Euro on eBay, a must idem added to the wish list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEuUvHHrYTc

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Here we see some of the results of the recent working bee.

An extra dose of diluted PVA for the lift section methinks :>;)

Cheers
Bob


Nice bob looking good, battery has come along way now even in HO scale, I would like to go that way, no need for transformers only fro use in signals and point motors.

I did the mowing yesterday, trimmed four hedges did the whipper snipping and blowing out and ran out of battery power out of two36amp batteries, had to wait ill charge up a batter to finish the blowing out.

I will have to do the hedge trimming on separate day.

Tony from down under

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I'll stand corrected but from memory the Lionel type 3 rail system uses AC with a low for the reverse where Marklin use a high voltage reverse for their 3 rail systems.. much more reliable.
The scale modellers in the 3 rail era used stud or outside third (or if modelling an electrified system they didn't need to add an extra rail). They would normally use DC for control.

Bruce Lovett made a much cheaper version of a ballast spreader using an empty Brut33 container. It was an article in AMRM years ago.

A lot less trouble charging batteries than pulling and cleaning an oily plug,air filter, blocked carbie etc Tony

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That was a cool ballast spreader in the video!

There's so many ways of running trains these days it's mind boggling.

With O scale 3-rail you have conventional with an AC transformer, you have the MTH DCS PS2 and PS3 command and control systems. The PS2 engines use a constant 18vac on the rails and it gets converted to DC inside the engine. PS3 can use AC or DC and has DCC capability.

Lionel also has their TMCC and Legacy systems, both AC, converted to DC in the engine.

Both Lionel and MTH have wifi available now.

Atlas and 3rd Rail use Lionel's TMCC. MTH's DCS can run Lionels's trains but Lionel's system can't run MTHs trains except in conventional mode.

I'm typing this at 2am so I hope I got all that right it's been raining solid for almost 3 days now, it woke me up at 12:30am!

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Hi Bob D, ouch that is a hell of a lot of rain three days and still going what has the weather people being saying any let up yet.

We would be in trouble with that amount of rain by now cut off.

Yeah it is mind blowing now it is that word technology, at least now you can have fun on the layout doing ballast duty, have that unit up front and a stack of ballast wagons behind, is now on my wish list.

Was a great find I was looking at different technics in ho to ballast your track.

I have the Origen time on the lap top as I have a friend that lives in that state and the British time, You must be 2 hours ahead, it is5.30pm over here Wednesday.

I still have my very first loco I got for my 5th birthday it is a Hornby 0 gauge clock work tank steamy, still have the track as well in fair condition. PLan to give the loco a new least of life adding a coach that will have a battery powered bogie, my train club has a very good garden railway.

The loco is 57 years old, I may buy some new 0 scale track as well.

Tony from down under

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Tony, I think it's suppose to rain for another 2-3 days! Back in May I think we had 20+ days of rain, I work at a local golf course twice/wk and business suffered. We just aerated our greens on Sept 12th so business has slacked off anyway, but this rain is making it worse.

I didn't go back to sleep until 03:30, just got up!

I didn't have any trains when I was a kid, my 1st train was 38 years ago, a Bachmann HO 2-8-0 set. My ex-mother-in-law got it for my 1st born, which turned out to be a girl (and whose birthday is today!) so I got ownership of it!

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Hi Bob C , a friend was telling me he didn't have the issue with reverse loop on AC Marklin like DC has, I will have two reverse loops mainly to turn around the Indian Pacific when coming out of Sydney.

I have heard of Bruce Lovett, heard his name a lot at AMRA QLD branch.

There is another video in the links of that video showing how it works being pulled by a loco, need some sort of conveyer belt to feed the tray from ballast wagons.

Not a cloud in the sky bright sunny morning a bit nippy though, be like that for the next few days and warming up, will make the most of it working on the layout.

Tony from SE/QLD

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You should certainly be able to run your clockwork on the SM32 track at AMRA Tony. I assume it is run as dead rail so your uninsulated wheels will not be an issue.

An advantage of using a third rail is simplifying the wiring required when the outer rail meets the inner rail at wyes, and reverse loops (the two outer rails are the same polarity). It just requires some automated or manual switching for 2 rail where it occurs. DCC 2 rail can make use of detectors which reverse the rail feeds quick enough when detecting the s/c so as not to interrupt the running of the loco.

Sounds like flood warnings will be out in lower lying areas where you are BobD. We are having floods in western NSW, Victoria and South Australia at the moment.
Might get above 10 degrees today if we are lucky. Not good weather for drying ballast :>)

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BobC, plenty of roads underwater, a couple washed out. The pro at my golf course sent out some photos of the fairways, I would post one but they're too big. The fairways are underwater, I think he said we've had about 9 inches of rain since Monday afternoon.

It was raining hard around 0700 but has since stopped. I took one of my cats to the vets to get his claws trimmed and the roads were fine. My house must be on the highest piece of ground in my neighborhood because I don't have any standing water whereas my neighbors do. It was almost like a hurricane but without any wind.

The sun is out now (mosquito breeding in progress!) so hopefully we'll get back to whatever normal is around here.

It's given me time to work on a couple of projects. I've been building a wood kit of a 40' Reefer which is almost completed except for adding 2 more ladders and paint & decals. Also fixed a problem with the Wye I have on a drop-down bridge. There was a slight bow in the thing which was derailing engines going left. I replaced the individual roadbed sections I had underneath the Wye with a solid piece of rubber anti-fatigue matting and that seems to have fixed the problem.

I'm expecting a package today too, ANOTHER Williams/Samhongsa brass USRA 4-6-2 (I tried to insert an emoticon but they're not working in the Quick Reply screen).

I said I wasn't going to buy anymore engines but this was a deal, $200 delivered. This will give me 2 of them, this one will also become an Atlantic Coast Line engine as is the other one. However, my diesel buying days are done, these "cheap" brass steamers have become my favs!

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Nothing like the buzz of mozzies to bring music to your ears of an evening. Time to get out the spray and burn the incense :>)

What I wouldn't give to be able to buy engines for $200 Bob. :>(

I think there was an unfinished 1950's 3-rail NSWGR pacific 'kit' (more like assisted scratchbuilding)on ebay recently for about $500.
Just buying the wheels, motor and gearbox would be more than $200.

Jealousy is a curse! :>)
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Hi Bob D, 9inches is a lot of rain 2011 floods it rained for 14 days, pretty bad flooding in SE/QLD, at the beginning of winter we copped 50 mm's in half an hour.

Good to hear you finely have sun shine, how quick does the flood waters recede.

Nice that loco is coast the postage as well, not bad for 0 scale loco, I bought a couple of months back two 5 unit double stack container wagons postage from the US was dear $83, could of bought another set, Con-Cor new old stock.

To buy the same wagons over here $250

I don't know where the hobby is heading price wise,$350 for a HO scale loco now RTR rolling stock is triple the price, I may have to scratch a lot of stuff now.

Wednesday it rained all day here, we got an inch out of it good for the grass and garden.

Beautiful day here, a bit nippy in the morning the will change getting closer to summer.


Tony from down under.

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Hi Bob C, what a nice day in SE/QLD cool morning, coming into a warm weekend.

Yeah the old clock work tank loco ran very well, if you look back on the club outdoor layout the big main oval she ran around twice, not bad for 57 year old loco, you sure can't beat that 0 scale brass track.

I m all ready to tomorrow in finishing the last station module stage one, Sunday will see the whole front of the layout set up.

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Golf pro said the total from Saturday afternoon until Thursday morning was 11-1/2" at the golf course!!!  Virginia Beach National had over 15".  Most of the schools were closed due to water standing in the roads.  News showed autos half in ditches where they couldn't tell where the side of the road ended and the ditch began.

The brass Pacific arrived yesterday afternoon.  I knew I would have to replace the rubber traction tires, it came with spares.  These engines were made back in the early 90s so they're probably close to 25yrs old, but the spare tires look like new, probably because they were sealed in a bag.

The engine itself had a few previous issues, I can see where things had been repaired, plus I found 3 minor items that needed fixing.  But it was listed as used so I knew what to expect.

I ran it for 10 minutes and it ran good, should run even better under BPRC.

Other than adding a generator to the top of the boiler, I think all I need to do is re-letter it for the Atlantic Coast Line.  I'm hoping to be able to remove the existing lettering without having to remove the paint, but I haven't had much luck doing that.

BobC, so you're going to have an indoor AND outdoor layout now?  I wouldn't mind having an outdoor G scale layout, but I'd have to erect a tall fence first for privacy and to keep the neighborhood juveniles from playing Jesse James on my RR.  Not sure if I'd want one on the ground or elevated on posts.

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I think 90-125 feet was a regular length of run for clockwork locos Tony. A foot or more of rain is a lot of rain Bob. Sounds like you will soon have another addition to your roster. I put up a six foot fence to keep the kids out of my yard. Many years ago they brought an old paling fence down over my gauge one line by them all leaning on it. I can recommend elevated. Interesting you would chose G outdoors when you have suitable stock already! The garage is cut into the hill and has water flowing through it when the ground gets wet enough (like now). I have had many layouts in it but when it is wet and cold it is not the best place to play trains. I would ideally liked to have the indoor and outdoor layouts connected but not practical. I have enough small locos and stock to go around very tight curves so the trade off for comfort inside is a limitation on what can be run there. That is one advantage of having 4 wheel stock still running in the era I model. They look OK to me running around 3' radius curves. regards BobC

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BobC, I only have 1 G-gauge engine, a tankcar, flatcar, and caboose. Problem is I have practically nowhere inside to run it unless I move furniture. I guess I could put an around the ceiling track up in one of the rooms.

My wife passed away 2 years ago, she collected old Sarah Coventry jewelry. Kinda costume jewelry, but they made some nice looking stuff. Anyway she had a ton of it and it's taking up 1/2 of the upstairs space. If I can sort it out and sell it off (the 2 girls don't seem to be interested in it), I can expand my O-scale empire to over twice it's current size AND have a space to put the G-gauge track.

I told myself that would be my big project for the fall and winter so I better get moving.

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Hard times with the passing of loved ones Bob.

If outdoors is too big a risk due to attention by the local trash then indoors might have to be it.

I am trying not to be 'rubber scaler' these days. Not sure how long I can keep it up however :>)

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BobC,

What you and others do with scratch-building is amazing, keep it up :moose::moose::moose:

$200 is a great deal for a brass steamer, that's the ONLY reason I jumped on this engine.  But it's got to be the last one for me, too many to run now as it is.  I'm starting to worry about batteries sitting idly in some of them that don't get run as often as others.

From what I see at train shows and on Ebay, there's plenty of trains around.  If all the manufacturer's closed their doors today there would still be more than enough product available to suit our needs.  The guy I got this 4-6-2 from had at least 4 more for sale.  I recently bought 5 untouched kits from an estate sale, there must have been hundreds of kits on the 2 lists (freight and passenger).  This was from 1 individual!!!

Even though I haven't built one entirely from scratch, most of my Seaboard Air Line rolling stock has been kit-bashed or modified to get what I wanted.

As long as these creaky old fingers can still hold an Exacto knife I guess I'll keep building :old dude:

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Hi Bob, you are doing something different to the norm so you can be proud of your achievements. If I could modify rtr stock to get what I need I would be doing the same.
Years ago when I was first in N and and later in HO I chopped up British, American and European stock if they could give me a facsimile of what I wanted. Scratchbuilding was reserved for those items I couldn't bash from something else.
e.g. I used to cut one bay out of the Athearn 4 bay hopper to make a close enough NSWGR BCH (coal) and make a roof to represent the BWH (grain) wagons.

The battery radio engines I have are all powered by LiFe's not LiPo's so I don't have any concerns about fire risk. I can charge these batteries and they will be ready to go in a years time with more than 90% of the charge still available.

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I haven't done any research on the LiFe batteries, time to give them a look!

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A break in the rain means train running outdoors. Here we see twin Fowlers taking the up goods while the railmotor slows for the station stop. No need to praise me on the exquisite weathering on the station, a mate's wife did that (blush) cheers  Bob

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Hi Bob nice blue sky in the back ground how are you with that weather front coming from SA, saw on the news that SA whole Electric grid was knocked out wow the whole state.

We are copping it tomorrow I backed up my three modules, going to be pretty bad, don't want them getting wet, got some hinges and folded the legs inside the frame out the way, need to get some longer screws to hold the legs in place.

Hope I get enough time to screw in place in the garden shed a peg board to hand all my tools and some garden tools as well.

Tony from SE/QLD keeping on moving ahead.

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Hope you get it all inside in time Tony.
The short break in the rain is over here as predicted.
Bad news with that cyclonic system hitting SA and now Vic. Obviously many of the towers were designed for much lower wind speeds.
Bob, LiFe's have a lower voltage than LiPo's so with some systems that have battery control designed for lipo's might have a problem e.g. NWSL.
Back to working inside.
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Had to go Google, daaaaaaang!
"Winds in that region are expected to reach storm force, with predicted gusts of up to 140 kilometres per hour.
(holy hurricanes Batman, that's 87mph!)
"Gale force [winds] about the remainder of the coasts, except for the two South East coasts where we do have strong wind warnings current," he said."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-28/sa-weather-south-australia-without-power-as-storm-hits/7885930

Going to have to look up whether SA railways have any electrified mainlines and/or suburban commuter service.
"The power outage caused gridlock traffic in the city and all trains and trams came to a standstill late in the evening."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-29/south-australia-storms-residents-cope-with-blackout-wild-weather/7887120

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Hi Bob, yes I did yesterday spent to after 6pm last night putting hinges on the module legs, need to get longer screws to hold the legs in place. When I set the station modules back up I will have replace the screws with bolts as I used 42mm square legs in stead of 3inch wide by 3/4 pine legs on the last module.

Pretty bad in SA they should have most of the power back by this afternoon, this federal government is blaming this weather event as a political scape goat attaching renewable energy, nothing to do with those large high tension towers being blown over, like match sticks.

KitbashOn30 our weather radar is called Boom just type that in and on the map of Australian click on the small squares in each state.


Keeping a close eye on Canberra's weather, was told by our sitting Federal MP to take a warm jacket snow predicted this weekend around Canberra may get to see some snow as well never seen snow, big bonus.

In SE/QLD we are copping the same weather event, raining now as I am typing , not heavy but bad storms predicted for this afternoon.

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The call that renewables caused this problem would be laughable if so many idiots didn't believe that garbage. One big problem was those towers were designed when SA didn't experience cyclonic winds.

If it is not snowing in the city you can drive up the hills just to the west of town (past Mt Stromlo observatory)Tony if you have access to a vehicle. Shouldn't have to go far.

Adelaide is a mix of electric and railmotors for it's limited suburban rail services Forrest. They do also have a very small electrified tram service.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide_Metro

What I found amazing was to discover some years ago that after the midwest of the USA the next most prolific place for tornadoes was Victoria.

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Hi Bob, agree what the government is going on about SA don't have any back up but they still shouldn't using that to bring a State government down in any case having a backup power still would of being the same problem as 22 towers were knocked down, how long will it take them to build new ones

The whole rail network was shut down, would of being no signals or power to the points.

We didn't get that storm last night but the weather mob up here are saying that storm is heading our way long gone by Monday.

Putting a peg board up in the garden shed today to hang all the tools clamps level.

Thinking of bending ply for the curved sections, waste too much ply out of a full sheet have seen it done, will give it a go.

Not a cloud in the sky winy though.

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A process I have used when building my own and others layouts is to make a standard template for curved sections and draw multiple copies on the ply until I have wasted the least ply then attack with saw. :>)

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With outdoors a writeoff again I worked on the scenery in one corner.

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Hi Bob, I am going to give it a go today bending a strip of 12mm ply to one of the curved sections as a temp plate has a 7foot radius curve., I use the same method as well still waste some ply though.

That corner scene is coming along well great painting effort on the back scene, looking as a back scene behind the bridge on my layout

Still can't decide on what bridge to build, got one in mind has 7 piers and older double deck bridge built in the 70's,the cable stay bridge was built 2009 modern design and only two main piers, but huge towers 7foot high.

Tony from SE/QLD

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Hi Bob, I successfully had a go at bending a piece of 12mm ply to a 7ft curved ply base, a lot of clamps will work.

The ply has to be that soft ply, be great on making curved viaducts a matter of sanding the arch smooth and a bit longer time wise actually be stronger as well .

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Making some structures at the moment from wood products.

A small skip fed loader is under way ,based on one in the Hunter Valley.
Some scrap balsa and a corrugated card (not designed for modelling) that was given to me are being used to start.


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Hi Bob how are you going with your coal loader project, I will be back on my layout construction Monday, turning a couple of pens on Saturday, haven't done any turning for 12 months, got to keep the turning skills up.

Going back by train to Sydney I spotted signal box still in use.

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I passed that box many times.

I have more than one structure on the go at the moment.
The blue fibro shed was just built and inserted with other junk into the loco shed scene.


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The coal loader still needs some work... don't you think ? :>;)

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Coming along nicely Bob, yeah lots of work ahead, are you modelling the coal loader on a proto type coal loader.

What's it like where you are , still has that nip in air up here to a nice spring day 23 degrees.

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Last I looked it had scraped up to 14C but the cold breeze makes it jumper weather still Tony.
The coal loader is loosely based on a photo of one in the Hunter coalfields years ago. Can't remember where at the moment.

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Hi Bob,

Nice start on your coal loader

For further inspiration, have a look at the Stockrington colliery load-out point. There should be a fair bit of stuff available on it seeing it was the last steam-hauled colliery railway to Hexham. From memory it was running "run of mine" un-sized coal, but I think it was a one 4-whell wagon at a time single track load-out point that was worked by running the empty wagons in under gravity.

A suggestion - lock for the Newcastle University Library on-line heritage photo collection and then search for  Brian Andrews photo collection.

Here's my effort at an O scale coal load-out point for sized coal - details will appear on the Corrimal thread in due course.  :P




and from track level


L: the LCH hopper on the right still needs some work,  

 

 

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Hi Guys.

HEY ! ... I like those, presumably Aussie, hopper-cars.

Bob & John, you both have some.

Nice !

:moose:

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Hi Si,
have a look at  http://fourwheelsnoaircoal.blogspot.com.au/ for details and differences between the Hunter district hoppers like Bob's and the Illawarra district wagons as used on Corrimal with fixed hoppers.


They still need weathering lettering and numbers - The design of and build of the standard gauge wagons and the screens details are still to make their appearance on my Corrimal thread

For Bob, scroll down to see some photos of the Stockrington loader.

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Hi Bob, I did come across a link on a coal loader around the Hunter Valley you can clock on the pics to make them larger and best sending the link

http://fourwheelsnoaircoal.blogspot.com.au/2009/05/hunter-valley-coal-wagons.html.

Nice lot of pics of your coal loader John, good to have other working siding on a layout.

Still cool morning up here yesterday was cold in Brisbane and windy people were wearing jumpers.

Tony from SE/QLD

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Hi John, I hope you had a good time at Sydney.
Your model is very inspirational.
Yes, that photo collection has some great shots in it.

Mine is a combination of ideas, part Duckenfield 5, part Minmi, i.e. a skip fed bin in a cutting, very much reduced in size to fit the area available. Pictures in Giff Eardley's original book on J&A Brown gave me the general idea.

Yes, they are Australian coal hoppers Si. Mine are one of the private Hunter Valley types and I think John's are NSWGR ones. The removable bins with bottom exit were invented locally for loading into ships berthed upriver in the Hunter Valley. They could be lifted over to the boat, lowered and emptied or be rope hauled up to a delivery chute and then emptied while still in the underframe.

I have been working on the cutting for the coal loader scene. I am using soft rocks for this one.

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Here is the cutting so far.

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Hi Bob and all
a pretty basic Duckenfield #3 Colliery is at https://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/8188658733/
still looking for #5...The loco is pretty basic as well.

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Duckenfield 5 is shown on page 125 of 'The Railways of J&A Brown' if you have access to a copy John. Tiny photo.

I think I can safely say that loco is ex NSWGR no 20N. A Kitson product circa 1870.

I know more than one was excited when that photo collection came online some years ago. Some interesting shots in it not seen elsewhere.
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Hi John and Bob,
I was down your way a couple weeks back, possible could of flown over Unanderra on our way to Canberra, wasn't long enough stay, only stayed over night, mainly went to the AWM, was awesome need two days to go through the memorial.

What do you know about Little Bertha the German rail gun only the main gun is left, would like to scratch build the gun.

WE went back to Sydney by train 3 and half hours of pure magic, how far are you from the Canberra to Sydney line, I had a couple of hours at Sydney Central station took lots of pics as I am modelling the station building, my Sydney Central be cut back width wise, still b awesome size when built.

Bob your cutting is coming along nicely, what do they call when they back fill a gully to level the track bed, the Canberra line had a few of them and fairly large curves as well.

Tony from SE/QLD

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Tony I don't know of any specific term, it was just a fill to me. They tried to balance spoil from cuttings to fill the gullies when building lines.

The Amiens gun was ex warship placed on rail underframe. Sadly the underframe was ditched years ago. Hard to miss at the War Memorial. You could take several days just to properly look over the WM. If I was doing some work there I would often time it so I had my lunch there and could spend some time exploring.
There are probably plenty of photos on the web that might help you to build one, also look at the 1:35 plastic models on offer, there might well be one there that might give you some ideas to make a HO one.
I think I have seen at least one made in HO years ago for a layout.
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There is a photo of the gun in the ARHS book " Railways of the Canberra and Monaro Districts".
You never know they might have a copy at the AMRA library if you are lucky Tony.
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Hi Tony,
in answer to your questions -
According to wikipedia, the "Big Bertha" name has been incorrectly applied to German rail guns of WW1
I thought that Big Bertha was one of 5 rail-mounted guns used to shell Paris and other parts of France during WW1. The Aussies captured the gun.

For the Aussie "Big Bertha, my understanding is that it as was sent to Australia at the end of WW1/early 1920's. The gun carriage also made it to here but was cut up in the 1920's/1930's, so only the barrel is preserved at the Australian War Memorial WM see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28_cm_SK_L/40_%22Bruno%22

You may have missed you best chance of picking up more information in Canberra either at the AWM archive or at the National Library where one of the larger rail photo collections is now held. Did you remember to take a photo of the placards beside the where the barrel is displayed? There was some good information on those.

Moss Vale was as close as you would have got to Unanderra. There is a line that comes off the Main South there that heads downhill to Unanderra. Part of that line is one of the steepest mainline tracks in Australia with a falling 1 in 30 grade. There is no regular passenger service on this line.

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Hi Tony,
some photos on the AWM website found using "railway gun" in the search field. 302 photos not all releveant to Canberra's "Big Bertha" I'll post the links here only to avoid any possible copyright issues.

The gun in one piece in Australia in Sydney
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/A03627/ The crane jib behind the gun may be involved in either setting up the gun in the chassis or this may be when the barrel was being removed prior to the chassis being scrapped. Looking at subsequent photos, I'd say setting up after arrival in Australia.

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P01029.001 as displayed mid 1930's in Canberra - see comments under photo - was still rail-mounted in WW2.

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P02633.001 in Canberra after repainting

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/A04859/ In France after capture - camouflage scheme can be seen

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P01887.004 1920 - as displayed in Sydney.

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P01823.001 getting ready for the move to Canberra - Somewhere buried in the Archives there should be an STN (Special Train Notice) for this move that would probably make an interesting read.

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P05359.001
See comments - the chassis made it to the 1960's. I thought it was gone well before then.

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C04611/ same type gun makes good size comparison

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/A04858/ grounded on a fixed trunion, transport bogies removed.


https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P01091.001 general arrangement blueprint

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/H15238/ post-capture photo

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P10093.001 - whole train, post-capture

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P02791.004 this is one you don't want to drop.. :w:

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/H15237/ loco for the gun's train

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P10453.002 another post-capture photo in transport mode.

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/E02779/ close up of bogie and gun carriage suspension

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P02791.003 incoming barrel :w:

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P02791.002 previous to last photo - gun carriage being lowered onto bogies

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P01887.002 on display in Paris

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P01023.010 gun carriage at Port Wakefield

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C04610/ whole train

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P01023.009 & https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P01023.006 the end of the road for the gun carriage :sad:

That ought to do to get your started :2t:

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HI John, WOW many thanks for the link pics on Little Bertha, I just checked my email before switching the lap top down, those pics will sure help me in building the gun, getting close to midnight,

Will go through them tomorrow morning can't wait.

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Hi Tony,
I am assuming you already know about this one in 1/35. It might give you a flying start https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/A00249/
It is the same calibre WW2 version (look up "Anzio gun")

These things are that big that you could get away with 1/43 or 1/48 scale figures to suit your railway as crew.

L: shorten the barrel, shorten both bogies by 1 axle and you should be most of the way there.

Dragon also did a fully assembled version in roughly N-scale. I have one buried somewhere. It was a whole lot cheaper than one of the 1:35 scale kits.

Now back for the Duckenfield #5 Colliery load-out point hunt....

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HI John, many thanks for the pic, I am getting more interested every day in scratch building the Little Bertha

AWM has a a model of Little Bertha a pity I should of taken more pics now, mainly of under the guns frame work, a bit hard taking pics through glass, in HO scale be pretty huge.

The loco pulling the train is it a French loco, looks like I have to buy a steamy of that era.

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HI Bob C, Thanks will ask the Liberian when I go to AMRA next mid December, I am full swing now working on my layout still have to cut 100mm 12mm thick ply sides for two of the last front modules today, coming along nicely.

Don't think the layout be ready to run trains by Christmas, be after, might be able to test run a loco up the spiral.

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A storage shed for the coal loader scene.
Scrap card and wood.
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Here is the coal loader scene. Done for the moment, time to move onto the next scene.

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This is a bit better shot (changed camera).

There is actually interior detail, with the 2' skipway, capstan operator and his lever however it is really a waste of time. :>;)

Must glue down the roof before moving on.... make note to self!!!

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Hi Bob nice work indeed, do you make you own corrugated iron,AMRA QLD branch has a special tool, I have had a go in the past.

The question is how would you bend corrugated iron as I want to model US auto wagons and the roof has two bends in it, can send you a pic for you to look at.

Tony from SE/QLD, still cool morning up here.

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Tony, I am not sure how you would bend corrugated card to that radius . You could try wrapping it around a former and leaving it for some time to get a set in it.

Corrugated styrene might be better, can be set in warm water or a warm oven.

The card was a gift from a friend when I was modelling in S scale.

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My light bulb changer will have to shimmy up the pole  until I add the ropes to lower and raise the bulb holder just like NSWGR yards lights Herb :>;)
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Hi Bob, I put some plus on that pic, will depend if I can get the corrugated iron in HO scale to the size needed, another way is make my own will cutting strips of styrene bending and gluing them be another way

I want to model Amtrak's auto train east coast of America, has 23 Auto wagons and 16 superliners, I need anther 7, expensive train can't get the Auto wagons in HO scale.

Tony from SE/QLD.

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We had a short hail storm last night. A few big ones came down.

I will have some repair work to do now methinks. The water column won't be much use for the steamers any more :>;)


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Hail the scale size of weatherballons?

Bummer!

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You may want to get one of these next time when you run trains outdoors:



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Robert Comerford wrote: can you buy them on ebay Bob ?
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Probably, but I don't think both of us combined have that kind of $$$ [toast]

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Have to wonder how many squirts of oil each use entails-----

Or, considering the era, rubs of chicken fat.......

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Hi Bob, nice lot of pics, the grass is nice and green as well, I have to put the sprinkler on to have my grass like yours otherwise be a brown colour, I like to a nice green lawn.

It is bloody hot in SE/QLD in the high 30's have had storms earlier in the week, Saturday a bad storm is predicted, I am roosted on as duty office on Saturday, hope it will be a quiet day so I can run my Indian Pacific18 cars and get the top video.

My layout is at a stand still, have to wait to a cooler day ready to station modules and approach module.

What is the weather like where you are in NSW.

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When it is not hailing it is raining Tony. Very wet spring so far.
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Yeah we have had a lot of afternoon storms one every few days, it was humid in Brisbane Yesterday and we copped a bad storm so I wait till if finished before I could put my train boxes in the car and head home.

Another one this afternoon, hot day again 36 degrees, in will be cooler next Tuesday and I have an hospital appointment in the afternoon , hope Wednesday is the same cooler so I can paint the approach module.

I finely took a great video of actually making up my Indian Pacific and departing form the station on its way to Perth was fun 18 minutes, also took a video of my trailer spine car train 15 spine cars after some more sets.

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That reminds me. After leaving the Qld AMRA clubrooms one day when I was working in Brisbane, my umbrella was shredded before I got the station. :>)
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Bob how good is your memory, can you remember Ted Ward, I will give you some more names, the new club rooms were opened in 1993 and the layout mainline opened with golden spike 97.

The weather is quite mild now we had 26 today hospital appointment stuffed that up, high 20's over the weekend will make the most of it working on the layout.

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Hi Tony I only got to visit the club rooms a few times. I was only in Brisbane about 6 months. Names have long gone in memory these days I am afraid. I mainly remember Peter Sanderson the exhibition manager at one time.
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Hi Bob that understandable only being Brisbane 6 months, Peter Sanderson quit AMRA and we don't have a show manager any more the President and committee looks are the show running now.

I don't go to the Train every ear now same old layouts ever year and it is so expensive to buy RTR now getting out of my reach, lots more scratch building .

Be good if the postage was so deal from the US as you can get some dam good bargains on eBay, I only buy rolling stock now have being caught out in buying locos that don't work, my problem I don't know enough how to fix them.

The weather is tops right into the weekend will make the most of the cooler days Friday and Saturday working on the layout, check my post as I have two very good videos I be posting on you tube and putting the links into my post of my trains at AMRA last Saturday.

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Postage costs put all but the most essential stuff out of reach these days from the US for me too Tony.
I'll keep an eye out for your youtube posts.
What locos cant you get to run ?
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HI Bob, I have an eye on a set of 5 double stack well wagons
on eBay postage isn't too bad $125 posted in Aussie dollar.

There is about four locos need looking at, one I dropped years back Lima 44 class will pull the shell off to look at it, other one is a Piko German 120 class loco that one a friend didn't put it back together and the bogie fell out, third one a Bachman I pulled apart to modify it four one a Bachmann DD40AX, it keeps on losing power I may have to repower it.

That is the problem when you have too many locos when you don't run them enough, I have my complete trains in one storage box just a matter of choosing a box to take to the cub usually 6 boxes, must take a pic off all my train boxes.

I have already uploaded the video to you tube with the NBN 100mvp's and 40mvp's uploading only took 5 minutes to upload 18 minute before would of taken 80 minutes, worth the money. Will put the video clips on my post later on today have you got NBN, we had no choice as Optus was shutting down the HFC the next month.

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I usually find postage on feebay at 2 to 4 time the cost of the item I am looking at...no thanks. Wasn't like that a few years ago.

NBN does not technically come into town, only to those in rural areas on the southern side at the moment. Two of my friends who live in that area have it connected. However Photo Create and one bank have access in town I am told.

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Hi Bob yeah the postage has only gone up in the last couple of years, a bugger not worth it to buy stuff in the US, I think the UK and Europe is the same but you can be lucky with the from the US half the price, you have to shop around

I am surprised you haven't got NBN yet as usual the government of the day rather keep their farms happy gets them more votes federal and state, see it happen too much, this governments sucks.

I said I was having password issues, I finely managed to change the Free Rails password back to my old one awesome.

Hope a cool change comes in so I can finish my last two approach modules and level them up, nearly there.

How is your layout going .

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The NBN was first installed nearby in Armidale, it will probably spread south to Tamworth etc before coming into town here. Photo Create are a massive user of data so that is probably the only reason it has even reached the edge of my town. I did a a few weeks stint working for them a few years back coming up to Christmas. There would be up to 6 Australia Post trucks loading out some days.

I am hoping to glue a new steel roof on the goods shed today.
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Hi Bob, ee wouldn't you think NBN be all over the country by now NBN have had since Labor was in and now the Collation have had 5 years.

Be looking forward to seeing the finished shed, what I am lacking but I will have sand and refuelling siding running of my main line car port and continue on to a turn table loco service shed, do have one so I can turn 3801 around, there is work shops further down and turn table is some where there and no unloading dock for the IP motor rail.

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Hi Bob yeah I have heard that saying before and I am a great one for doing the same thing so many times drives my wife nuts , should of had the layout running a year back, us modellers are all alike.

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I would have like to have a basic NSWGR station but even the smallest wasn't going to fit without severe compromises.
So I decided just to do an Inglenook along one wall.
First job after boards were stripped was to get some more 2 by 1 and make the height for 'stand up' operation not 'sit down' as previously was done.
I am reusing for the umpteenth time some 3" foam blocks for the table top. They will allow me to have some under track detail.

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Hi Bob, be looking forward to what sort of scenery you have planned, will it be seaside scenery, I am planning at the end of my spiral a sea side village complete with a working light house that work in with the container port in front of the layout.

How is the heart in Glen Innes, it is very cloudy here hope to get an early storm to cool it down so I can finish off the last front module and level it ready to under coat .

Yes being so hot here all week as high as 40 degrees the other day and missed all the storms, our turn today and not a bad one, they say a change is coming in next Thursday.

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Yes, I can see the resemblance to sand in one of the shots. No, but it will have a bit of water in the scene.
This time of year is the pay back for winter time. Just floating around the high 20's. Shorts and T shirt during the day and no A/C needed at night. Perfect!!
Mind you it could all change and we get more frosts before xmas :>)
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HI Bob be looking forward to what ever you come up with, nice to have some sort of water scene on a layout.

Not sure where Glen Innes is, can be quite humid at night, last night was 24 degrees, in Ipswich bloody stinking hot day but we had two storms go through 40mm of rain not bad good for the grass. Same again tomorrow, I will have to do some work on the last module tomorrow morning, just got to measure and cut two module ends and drill the holes to bolt them together, big paint job will begin.

Rainbow outside nice to win the lotto.

Tony.

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I'm not sure I want to live down below any more. I like the cool summers up here. Having lived out the other side of Cunnamulla as a kid and gone to school for a time in Alice and worked out in the centre of the state I was once used to the heat. Not now!
Glen Innes??... google be thy friend. But if you find New Zealand you have gone to far east :>)
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Hi Bob, have to agree the summers here are affecting me as well mainly my asthma, what we should do is follow the cool seasons, ha, ha, to hot in summer in Ipswich.
Admin were busy over the weekend some new some new squares to look at hope they work on windows 10.
Bloody hot day yesterday watched the cricket in the nice cool lounge, what I need is a air-coned workshop , AMRA QLD has 7 AC's in the train room , nice and cool indeed.
Can you get flexi track in O scale how much, I want some new O scale track for my clock work tank loco which will be modified next year.
My layout is at a complete stand still.
You have being around , I used to take my some before he  went into a wheel chair to Cunnamulla by train West lander, good train over night come back in the afternoon give my wife a break.
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The Westlander was still hauled part of the way by steam on my first trips.
Your son should have enjoyed that trip.

That's a problem for you, AMRA is the other side of the city not just in the next suburb. In fact it is the far side of an adjacent city. When I was in Sydney I had to drive in from Liverpool to the Rockdale clubrooms.

I stood out in the sun with a lot of other fools to watch the first of the 59.5m turbine blades being delivered for Whiterock windfarm today at lunch time. Only 32C but the UV is never low at this altitude even mid winter.

O gauge flextrack.... Yes, many suppliers but the most easily found here will be Peco. It comes in two varieties;code 124 and code 143. You will need to check the depth of the flanges first. Toy market might not run on either. What brand of loco is it?

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Hi Bob, my son did enjoy the trip, so did I a pity he is in a wheel chair now train is still running, being up as far as Mackay with him to visit my sister'sBe a good train to model sometimes has freight wagon as well, or containers.
I am looking into starting a new HO scale club in Ipswich close to where I live, it takes a lot out of you traveling that distance 45K's I have being doing that for 16 years now,there is no HO scale club in Ipswich anymore only a N scale club on the north side.
My tank loco  is Hornby she ran very well on AMRA's O gauge track I am not sure is the track is flexi or set track but it has two gauges, will take a pic on Saturday.
Still have the original track it is very bumpy why I am after new track for.
A stinker up here today be turning the AC on pretty soon peaking 37 degrees.
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Are you talking about the SM32 track outside for live steam?
That should take the old Hornby.

I'm not sure that old coarse scale wheels will run on O scale track from Peco. Maybe the C143 flex track might but I would be surprised if it would run through the points.
Peco do an SM32 range that is code 200 and matching coarse pointwork, I would think that should take the old Hornby range.
There is plenty of old toy market set track available on the web or you can buy it new as well.

Ipswich used to have clubrooms at the museum. I seem to remember that deal is no longer.... pity!
Get enough members and then go pester the council for premises. Some of the clubs I have belonged to had portable layouts that could be set up in hired halls for meeting nights. Not the best, but a start.

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Bob wrote
Are you talking about the SM32 track outside for live steam?
That should take the old Hornby.
 

Hi Bob yes that track is for live steam and battery locos
Bob wrote
Ipswich used to have clubrooms at the museum. I seem to remember that deal is no longer.... pity!
Get enough members and then go pester the council for premises. Some of the clubs I have belonged to had portable layouts that could be set up in hired halls for meeting nights. Not the best, but a start. 

I was going to rejoin the Ipswich club went a couple of times and the thrid time they were unscrewing donw the all the ply walls they put up to stop the abestos dust , the building was owned by QR and they kicked them out because the abestos levels was too high.Sadly also the N scale group had bad words and went there different ways when I see them at shows I got on when them.
No worried that is what I plan to do, aim for a committe first and as you say hit the council, I have a head start the branch party I go to has our meeting in the council divison office and I know 3 other divisons close to us, awesome, big challange
Stinker of a day here peaed 41 degrees and bloody humid, layout at a stand still, wouldn't you know it Saturday is a cooler day but I am roated on as duty officer at my train club hope Sunday is the same.
Tony keep cool

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My new cab forward tests its pickups  (gulp)  :>0

Finally got the desire to do some more work on the 59 class. Pulled the mech apart and inserted the insulating spacers, then installed the pickups on the drivers for test running.
Of course it runs best backwards to start with !!!
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Hi Bob, I didn't know the 59class had a cab forward, can't find any pics on it is the loco modelled on the NSW 59 class.
How was your Christmas, being hot where you are we are copping the heat wave tomorrow through to Sunday, Saturday probably peak 40 degrees, no work on my layout this weekend.
I am stuck now only posting one pic per post now, bugger a windows update must of stuffed it up the only thing I can think of.
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Tony, it is joke mate.
That is an old Ron Fox 59 class "kit" I have been working on from time to time that would only run reliably backwards when I took the shot. That gave me the idea to put the tender at the front for a photo stop.
Since located and fixed the intermittent pickup contact that was causing the problem.

I would have caused myself a lot less heartache building it as the 3 rail model it was primarily designed as and kept it to run at AMRA in Sydney.

I'm glad I am not down in the low country at this time of year. Makes up for our long crappy winter.

I can only do one pic per post using the theme I have chosen on this site.

All the best for the new year everyone.
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Hi all,A warning for the footplate crew- Mind the last step up front :bg:
A question for Si/Woodie/Herb- How do you post a reverse Moosie for a cab-forward?? :moose:

Nice job Bob in tracking down your contact problems - The Italians and North Pacific Coast were there first with a cab-forward. Nothing new under the hot Aussie summer sun ;)

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Hi Bob, why not it is your layout model what you like and it works that way , something different and like t see the finished result.
Actually I am looking at building my own Garratt since I can't afford to buy those RTR Garratt  same with the UP big boys and  UP Challenger out of my reach, all I need to do grab two 4-8-4's the same  at a good price.
All quiet up here too hot watching the cricket on nine in the cool lounge, I have Hornby Flying Scott that has a duel tender, second tender is the water tender, came up with an idea to motorise the water tender. To my surprise it worked both motors are matching motoes 5pole gee she can pull a 11 car train up AMRA's spiral with ease, could pull 16 cars will try that on my layout. Shocked a lot of members asking me how I did that with a tender drive loco.
I had some problems to  permanently coulpe  the two tenders together had a draw bar it didn't  work now I tried kadee's they worked have to screw in  place of the front tender the kadee a job for tomorrow, if you are wondering how I did it, powered the second tender  I have connected the two tenders with wires and hid them as air pipes.
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Perhaps I should have fenced the crew in John?

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HI John, be interesting what you come up with your cab forward project, here is a pic of my Duel Tender drive  Flying Scot 4472
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style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"Closer pic of both tenders, you can see the black wires members think theyare air hoses what I hid them as. style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"
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It'd never do to have them get away  :P 
Nice job - it is coming together very well - Again for inspiration..


Happy New Year almost....

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So that's what it is supposed to look like John ??
.....damn!!@$$%$%

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What's that thing with the blue handles at the front of the engine? Looks like a sweeper of sorts to clean off the track!

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That took a bit to work out what your question was BobD.
If you look closely they are beside the track, they are local point control levers or yard frame.
The colour of the lever denotes its use. e.g. signal, facing point lock, point movement etc.
I'm thinking the blue is facing point lock bar release.
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Thanks BobC! I figured it was "parallax" error of some sort.

Happy New Year to you too!!!

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Bob D wrote: What's that thing with the blue handles at the front of the engine? Looks like a sweeper of sorts to clean off the track!

BobD.


Someone has overly good eyesight - I took the photos and I missed them. The handles are on the lever frame for the western-most loop track at the north end of Unanderra yard. 


Bob is correct in that the handle colours are significant. I actually managed to get a photo of the lever frame without the locomotive. 


For US readers the mysteries of  mechanical interlocking are probably largely unknown. In the UK several versions were used. The NSWGR system "borrowed" some of the UK principles and added some of their own local wrinkles. 
So here's the photo:


The blue lever is the #1 lever with the black Annett Key lock at the base of the lever. The correct Annett key is required to unlock this lever before it can be moved. I am unsure how this key is currently accessed by the train crew. It may be in the locked cabinet on the pole beside the frame. Previously it probably would have been part of the train staff that signified the authority for the train to be in that section of track. 
Now that the blue lever is able to be moved, moving it to the reverse position unlocks the point blades. 


The #2 or black lever can now be moved to change the turnout direction. After train exits the loop, the turnout must be restored to its original position, the point lock re-engaged and the Annett key secured in the locked cabinet. 


But there is in additional wrinkle here in that Unanderra yard is usually controlled remotely from Wollongong, several kilometres away. My suspicion is that this lever frame may only be operational if Unanderra is being operated under local control.

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Thanks John!

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Hi Bob and all, 
in larger enclosed NSWGR signal boxes other coloured levers you might find are:
Red Levers - operate the semaphore signals that control movement across the tracks.White Levers - spare levers - not connected to any mechanisms. 
Now because these levers were mechanically interlocked, to change the direction of a turnout might involve the pulling of up to 5 levers: 
to set signals to STOP to protect the move, 
unlock the point blades, 
move the point blades, 
re-lock the point blades to prevent the tracks moving under the train, and 
then finally set the semaphore signals that would allow a train to proceed over the turnout. 
The mechanical interlocking prevents anything from being moved that could permit two trains into the same piece of track at the same time.  But multiple tracks with multiple route options, the mechanical interlocking can get very complex very quickly.   

Have a look at the workings of the Chullora Junction box at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoqMt_WXQKQ
  

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The mood is sombre as passengers ponder the loss of the station building after the last storm. Could this be the end of services to Seven Mile Mulga??
Stay tuned!

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They passengers must have made enough noise to make management build and install temporary cover.
A standard NSWGR platform shelter has appeared.

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I am attempting to do some repairs on the station building. it is actually worse than this photo would show.

Still, if I can get enough glue and paint soaked in it might pass the outdoor' stand way off scale' test. It will however have to be taken in and out this time.

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Hi Bob,
That's not hail damage - It's asteroid damage. I'm glad that the repairs are working out :2t:

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Hi Bob, good to see you car repair the station building, what is it made of, looks like wood.
What was yesterday like your end od of OZ I know we had a stinker of a day I was a AMRA, they say Brisbane peaked 35 degrees felt 3 degrees hotter humidity must of being high , it hit when you walked outside the club room. Was much hotter in Ipswich 37 degrees still at 6pm, much nicer day today with the cloud cover be quite humid, see what tomorrow is like I want to set up all my front modules as they are finished now.
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Hi John, is there a branch line from Moss Vale to Wollongong, was looking at the NSW map so close still a fair distance, have to visit Canberra again not far from Victoria, in winter next  time.
How did you go yesterday was it hot Sydney was going through a heat wave as well no relief to next weekend ,here was still hot at 6pm 37 degrees.
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Thanks John, almost all the laminated detail is hanging by a thread and the basic box ply has separated into single sheets in many places. However it should be possible to extend its life. The alternative is to scratchbuild a new one and quite frankly I have enough projects to do at the moment.
There will be a tin roof between it and the Asteroids from now on! :>)

The indoor layout is looking more and more like being in S scale. The room just aint big enough for O.
However this time I might pick a prototype that has some support such as WAGR or NZR in Sn42 rather than NSWGR. I have a few structures and detail items left from my S gauge NSWGR layouts that could be used again.

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Tony, it was only 32 here yesterday although with over 90% humidity it does feel hotter as you would realise.
Up here in the hills is the place to be at this time of year, makes up for the nine months of crap weather. :>)
In winter I would need a short sleeve jumper at Ipswich and could run round in shorts and T shirt in the city all night. I lived at Coorparoo for a while.

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Hi Bob, yeah have to agree yesterday really felt a lot hotter than what it was, today the humidity is higher is real sticky air-con is on, no work outside.
At least I can make a start on painting the finished modules then start nailing the track down last job the bus wiring can do that in the spare bedroom.
What amp tranny  are you using I be using two 6amp trannies using a rotary switch to switch each throttle, two be radio controlled  block wiring don't think I will even be able to have DCC, DC can be just as much fun.

Realised I made a mistake in planning the platforms for Sydney Central, redrawing the platform and track today ready when a cool change comes in.
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Tony, I can run my whole O gauge layout on my 2-1/2A Digitrax Zephyr.
I have a booster now inserted to enable running of inefficient current hungry motors such as you might find powering model made for the US O gauge market or the old windscreen wiper and ex military motors used in the 40's and 50's. It is not normally needed as my locos draw less than 250mA each.
For a previous HO layout I have had a max of 5 locos running at one time, 4 of which were sound decoder equipped. The current draw was still nowhere near the 2.5A max of the system.

Radio throttles are an asset with any control system.
The only commercial ones I have come across that are any good (and I have used quite a few) were made by Radiotrain in Melbourne.
If I went back to N gauge I would have to go dc as my hands and eyes are not up to modifying and wiring something that small any more. I would have a radio throttle for each loop and tethered throttles for the yards.
If I were to get someone visiting with dc O gauge on a regular basis I would probably make or buy a radio throttle for them to use. I could run my battery/radio locos while they ran their train.
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Morning Bob, we copped a good storm, hit 6.30pm  got 65mm out of it good for the grass and plants they need it with this hot weather, no relief till next Sunday, 31 degrees a gd day to work on my layout.
Yeah I had  look at Digitrax  Zephyr  is yours the Ultra set, way to go, handles up to 20 address and throttles plus DC as well and at a good price and you said you can get a buster units too, I will need a probable a couple with the size of my layout 52 feet in length.
A big con if I go that way, they say easy to set up, do you have the remote control Digitrax hand throttle.
I did start off with N scale switched to HO scale, it was the N scale  prices dearer that the HO scale.
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Tony,I have the original Zephyr.
Mine has maximum of 10 at a time, normally 5 was the most I needed.
Can I ask when you think you will have 20 loco's running at once ??? :>)

The booster has nothing to do with the size of the layout it just provides more track current if required.
I can run a layout the size of a football field on the Zephyr.
What is required is thick bus wires to minimise voltage drop over long runs. The longer the run the thicker the wire.

I have had a portable throttle since day one.
I have 3 others I have purchased over many years.
I had the 3 newer ones upgraded to duplex radio.

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Tony M wrote: Hi John, is there a branch line from Moss Vale to Wollongong, was looking at the NSW map so close still a fair distance, have to visit Canberra again not far from Victoria, in winter next  time.
How did you go yesterday was it hot Sydney was going through a heat wave as well no relief to next weekend ,here was still hot at 6pm 37 degrees.
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Hi Tony,Yes the Unanderra/Moss Vale line is operational but it is usually freight only. There are no regularly scheduled NSW Transport passenger services on the line - These days it is a bus from Wollongong to Moss Vale. 

However 3801 Ltd's Cockatoo Run http://www.3801limited.com.au/cockatoo.htm uses the line regularly and sometimes Rail Heritage NSW https://www.heritageexpress.info/ (nothing appears to be heading this way on their website) This is one of the steepest lines in NSW with a 1 in 30 (+3%) grade from Unanderra to Summit Tank. 

So if you time things right it might be possible to do this line from Sydney. 

Yes it got hot down here too, but we usually get a cooling sea breeze that helps to keep things manageable. We have another couple of hot days coming our way later this week, but only low 30's today. Lat Friday I was ferrying layout modules to Western Sydney and hit 47 while in transit in the car. The air-con was working over time to keep us cool.  
That ought to do for this post. I have to get out and do some work on some of the other modules before it warms up...

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Hi Bob,  have to agree what you are saying about  20 locos running at one time, answer no, even having a few friends over as well but can have locos sitting ready o in staging yard and terminus platform track. I have tried to run two trains in DC a train passing through on a passing loop and other one driving off very hard be the same with DCC.
Don't think I be buying too many more locos now, my older locos I have to do maintenance on them some aren't running because they haven't being run for ages.
I was told I can have two transformers in DC one at each end of the layout  using rotary switches what I plan to do did have on the older layout duel cab and that worked well.
Can you buy those Duplex radio's in Australia now, I am going to start pricing the Digitrax Zephyr  got a few hobby shops I can go to, at least it is easy to plug in the decoders most of my newer locos are DCC ready, how many DC throttles can you hook up on yours.
Stinker of a day here tomorrow 38, going to Boonah a degree hotter.
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Hi John, that would be an awesome train ride through the mountains, I am hoping to head back to Sydney mid year b nice to spend a few days and go on those tourist trains, I can't even access the QUOTE square nothing happens, bugger, yes you can from Sydney.
Can handle those low 30 degree temps at ease, what is the humidity like close to the coast usually quite high at night.
Our car doesn't have a weather gauge in it the model after ours did it felt like that today coming back home from a hospital appointment today air-con was hard to keep it cool in the car .
Can't wait to get back to my layout setting all my front modules be a site indeed from the front spiral to the corner module at the back of the house.
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Dealers Tony?? .... Christmas Every Day on the gold coast, Brunel Hobbies in Melbourne, DCC Concepts in WA just for starters.

You can buy all the Digitrax products here including the radio systems. The Digitrax duplex system is legal here. Many of the other manufacturers radio systems are not.

In the case I quoted having 5 engines running on my old HO layout there would have been two or three more sitting on the tracks not running.
Probably we could count 10 sitting idle equals 1 pulling a train.
Take a worse case scenario and I had 20 locos sitting doing nothing around the layout. That would add up to less than 1 amp draw. But let us say 1 amp for round figures, that still leaves 1.5A to run trains. Worst case scenario I now add 5 locos pulling trains and they draw 300mA each. That adds another 1.5A to the current draw so my system would be at maximum. Good thing is the new Zephyr Xtra is a 3A unit so there is still half an amp headway.

My system will take 10 throttles. Most of the time I can run the whole layout off one throttle. Set two trains running on the loops into memory and then select another one to shunt with.

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Thanks Bob will check them out don't want to buy DCC on Ebay.
Gee it was a stinker of a day at Boonah I will be going back when it is cooler like to say there a coupe of days to trace the Boonah branch line only the bumper exists with a bit of track. And walk around my family farm where our family began, my cousin said the levelled ground where the first home stead stood is still there what I want to see, sadly the cousins are selling the farm.
The branch was called the Fassifern branch railway, I like tracing old branch lines, my great grandfather would of sent his farm produce by rail to Ipswich, before them horse and home made wagon they were sure hard days back then.
There is a Mitre 10 hard wear shop across the road and houses now where the railway once stood.
Not much happening to my layout o dam hot be some relief over the weekend but back to in the 40's again .
My layout is lacking a staging yard will have to the next  project once the trains are up and running.
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Before rushing out to buy DCC be sure you have clear reasons for needing it.
It you just set trains to run in circles and don't want the sound control advantages it may not be money well spent.

I spent a a fair bit of yesterday helping a young lad get his DCC system working. He is building it from MERG kits.

I can't remember if I have ever stopped in Boonah, been through it many times. Nice little spot.
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Hi Bob will be wiring up DC  to start off with and leaving one prohibition on the rotary for DCC later, will wire up one remote and two hand control throttles, thinking of walk around, a panel for each block wonder if that be the way to go instead of having one main panel.
Going over to a friend's place for him to show me how to wire up rotary switches and LEDS too to light up each position , on top of signals for each point using those signals as block  signals as well, mainly on the points furthers away.
I bought a Berg kit many years back was a resin  kit, learnt the hard way they bonce too well shattered beyond repair, was a break passenger van for Victorian railways.
Yeah have to agree way nice and green from all the storms last year we it was very dry.
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The station building ( depot to some of you) repair continues at a snails pace.
Much PVA and superglue has been wasted in the process. :>;)

My advice is always not to mix DCC with dc Tony. Only one connected to the layout at a time stops expensive accidents.

After many years of building fancy control panels for mine and others layouts I came to the conclusion that KISS is always the best answer.  I use walk around control and move the points manually locally these days. Only exception is points located in hard to get places.  I have found that casual users find it very easy to learn and even the layout's owner makes less mistakes that way. :>;)

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Hi Bob, your station  building repair is coming along nicely what are you using for the iron as you can get corrugated cardboard would suit O scale.
AMRA must have a special circuit that when switched on over rides DC the main layout is Wi-Fi and the second layout has a switch for just one DC controller , I think the Digitrak has a switch to run DC as well not sure how many controllers. Not in a hurry to switch to DCC as I only have two locos with DCC on board, I am looking for the right sound decoder for my TGV being told to get two sound decodes for both locos as both are powered, one problem the cost of a sound decoder cost the same for a new loco.
Ringing a friend tonight for him to show me how to wire up a rotary switch do you yeah the beauty of DCC is you don't need blocks as such only in yards , I could set up Wi-Fi and use my iPhone get the layout set up first and running.
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Both Digitrax and Lenz modify the zero's to provide a dc component to the DCC signal. There is no switch as such.
The address for running a dc loco is 0 on both systems.

Iron is cardboard given to me by a friend for use in S scale, but I find it is fine in 7mm too.
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HI Bob, the only problem with Lenz is when set at 0 for DC it makes the motor in the loco  noisy than usual,, have you tried DC locos on your Digitrax .
It is a nice morning here hopefully wont be as hot and humidity down, keep an eye on my post as I will be setting up all my front modules and what track bases I have cut out including the spiral and lower track around to the back of the layout.
This is where a wide angle camera lens coms in handy will have to get one for my digital SLR camera, will take a video as well.
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The noise is not a problem , it is function of how it works. It is a good warning to start your dc loco running not leave it cooking on the track.
I ran dc locos for years on my Digitrax before I lashed out and had a mass decoder install, still do sometimes to test run a loco for someone.
Look forward to seeing your posts on your thread.

Just step back a bit until you get it all in if you can then crop before posting. You don't need many pixels on a computer screen.
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, HI Bob, how many DC locos can you run on your DCC if you can run more that is what I will go for as well on Lenz you can only run one  DC loco.
I didn't quite have the whole spiral set up as well as it took a lot longer to set the front modules up will have to wait to another day.
Yeah I resize my pics to 100KB when I post , have posted the first pic on my thread three more to post tonight.
Got to finish my track plan for when I go over to my friends house on Tuesday so he knows where my blocks are.
How was your day it was pleasant up here only 30 degrees, humidity was down as well not so this week back to the mid 30's
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You can control one dc loco (or two or three coupled together) no matter the manufacturer. They all use the same method of stretching the zero pulses top or bottom to provide the dc offset. It is designed to allow you to make use of engines not equipped with a decoder on the same tracks as decoder equipped ones. You can even put the dc loco(s) in consist with the DCC ones. Decoders are dirt cheap now but they weren't when DCC started out.
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Thanks Bob, didn't know you can have Dc locos on the same track as DCC, yeah have to agree decodes are so cheap now I bought from AMRA two NCE decodes for my Thaly's TGV set, one day want to buy two sound decoders or just one as both locos are powered.$25.
Was another cooler day, took my son to see the latest stay ways movie we were the only ones in the picture theatre they wouldn't of made much money showing the movie was, good movie sad ending, If you follow the Star Wars movies the move was before the forth Star Wars showing how they got the Dearth Star plans to blow it up..
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As the repairs on my station are on hold until I receive some more corrugated card I had to find another project.

Fortunately a Deltang tx22 kit arrived in time from the UK.

I plan to battery/radio some more of my smallest/lightest locos. They are not the most reliable when the track is wet. The tests done with my hybrid powered CPH proved more than satisfactory giving long running times with a very small battery pack and faultless performance on wet track.

The tx22 gives me 12 model memories as opposed to the 1 with my existing tx2. More than enough.

The tx22 reminds me of the system I looked at many years ago before deciding to go DCC for command control. It was called RailLynx. The locos could be track or battery powered. It had 255 addresses, speed curves, consisting and lights.
It had two downfalls for my use. The system used IR not radio and the tx did not have a button to control a user defined function. In my case I wanted to be able to blow the whistle/ horn on a sound generator add-on I would make myself.
No system without those failings was offered at the time and living/working away from home left little time to build it myself, so I went DCC.

Had the tx22 been available at the time I might not have gone DCC.

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Hi Bob, some news agents sell corrugated cardboard worth checking out, kits and repair other stuff always on going.
Did you get the T-22 as a kit or RTR, I put a search in and came across NevadaBlue, (Ken)showing how he built his T-22 kit a lot of work he put in there, I have the link to his page if you want it.
Couldn't find much info on the other one you had in the  pic T-2
Battery radio control trains is catching on even in HO scale  in QLD some AMRA members have done so, I want to change one of my radio control throttle RCS to a radio control joystick so my son can run a train as well. Being told the guy comes up to QLD/AMRA every third Saturday will ring him today.
I am going to be busy designing my new control panel starting soon using rotary switches controlling three to four throttles by a rotary switch each throttle will have a Led indicator when that throttle is o, still thinking of walk around for the hand hold throttles.
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Tony, I built the kit but you can buy it assembled. Unless you have some experience with electronics I would stick to commercial offerings.

It would be possible to make a Deltang transmitter controlled from a joystick. Tony Walsham will be able to advise if it is commercially viable.
Without knowing your son's limitations, The Deltang tx can be controlled from a knob alone using centre off.

It is a pity that Radiotrain Electronics are not offering their dc radio throttles still, they work very well. I believe RCS has an option.
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Hi Bob that will be beyond my electronic skills, I will have to stick to RTR stuff,  I can handle the basic stuff making my own signals, haven't had a go at making three way signals as yet, do you need a circuit board, going to be a big effort  to build the new control panel.
Yeah I just found out when I rang Tony Walsh from RCS that he doesn't support my od radio control any more  it is that bad word technology, I would have to buy the new slide controller and then the remote control.
Have come up with a great idea,L: I have two CDA  throttles and they have the slide control, the idea is drill a hole in the slide handle and connect a servo to it and a servo to the direction switch, what do you think, here is a pic of the throttle, JJ Hobbies is still going.
Tony Walsh comes up to AMRA Zillmere once a month on the third Saturday, will have to check if that is his last name, I will see if I can go two Saturdays in row.


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It is technically possible but I not sure that is the ideal throttle to make such a mod to Tony.
I did it myself with one of my own throttles years ago and I am sure there were articles in magazines where others had done the same thing.
However it would be a cheap means of getting radio if you already have the r/c gear and those old throttles.

What sort of r/c gear are you planning to use?

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Hi Tony M.
It isn't that I don't support my old 27 MHz technology. If necessary, I can still repair the old systems that had a cigarette pack sized handpiece. Your old system is still working OK. Not bad for 20 plus years.

You asked me if they could be changed to use regular stick radio R/C. That particular design is not able to be changed.
I can supply equipment using 2.4 GHz that will do what you want.

You solution will work reasonably well and at least get you up and running.

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Hi Tony W :wave: oops , I spelt your last name wrong , didn't know you are a member of Free Rails joined a month after I did, do you bring some of your stuff  to AMRA I not sure about February but yes to the third Saturday in March be there at 9pm.
Yeah I have had those radio controllers since 2002, the second one I had some problems wasn't working well, asked Steve Malone to have a look at it , all in was is dry solder joints working well now.
Is it best for those radio controllers to have their own separate transformer, was thinking if I could  use one 6amp trannie for the two radios ????.

Have you being on my 00/HO scale garden railway thread, hopping to have a test loco run for the first time on the spiral and front modules to the car port, the only way to have a large home layout I can add onto.
Will see you at AMRA QLD branch.




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Hi Bob C, I am finding it hard to get any info on the topic, looks like a trip to my hobby shop, or if I see Tony W before then he goes to AMRA Zillmere every third Saturday work out well.
Being thinking of this idea for years, not enough experience to build my own slide control throttle, was looking into using slide control  attachment for a servo for model ships.
The radio I want to use it the model aircraft stile throttle control, getting one my son can use.
A good day to work on my new control panel be in the mid 30's.
Tony.

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Hi Tony M.
A misspelled last name is the least of my worries.
I don't usually take any stock with me to Brisbane. I make too many things.My two demo locos usually get a run.
Could always bring stuff to order and the buyer saves postage.
I also regularly deliver converted locos. Usually Large Scale but occasionally "0" scale.
If the third Sat in March is a regular running Day I will be there.However, if it is a bring and buy sale day, I may not be there. Unless you get there early, there will likely be a shortage of parking spaces.

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Tony M wrote: SNIP
The radio I want to use it the model aircraft stile throttle control, getting one my son can use.
A good day to work on my new control panel be in the mid 30's.
Tony.
My small TX's with knobs may be a bit fiddly for your son.Are you sure your son can handle a big stick R/C?  The best way is to make up a cradle that can be strapped to his body.  Then he doesn't have to hold it as well as operate it.I have a brand new Orange T-six 6 channel DSM2 R/C for sale. Can't say price but very cheap. It is a Hobby King clone of the Spektrum DX-6i.  Quite light as it uses just 4 x AA's.

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Hi Tony M.
You can use one transformer for two Trackside systems.As long as the two tracks are separate.
You can use common return wiring that have SPDT switches or you can use dual wiring and DPDT switches.

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Hi Tony W, I will reply to your three threads on this post, that is a bugger , sadly I wouldn't be able to buy another at this stage,.
The QUOTE button I can't access in win10 Edge same with the gallery, can you access all the squares above.
Yes the third Saturday is, garden railway as well, I haven't heard about the third Saturday in March a buy and sell day.
My son has Muscular Dystrophy and he is in an electric wheel chair and has a table the aircraft stile radio control receiver can sit on and he can use a joy stick one that isn't too heavy to move, they have come down in price now.
He hasn't the strength to turn a knob, actually that is why I bought your earlier radio control for being a button control, must see if he can the button in, pity you couldn't modify a mouse as a throttle, could that be possible???
Have decided instead of splitting one trannie, I will use one trannie for each throttle, I have one 6amp trannie has 17volt and 12volt  outputs second one only got 17volt, going to ask a brother in law if he can modify the second one to two, the third is a 2amp CDA, the forth position on the rotary switch I want to leave for DCC if I get the change to change over.
Tony.

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Sorry to be the bearer of not good news.
It may be possible to use a mouse with the older P/Button Tx's.
I have no idea how to do that.
I would stick with a stick radio mounted in a cradle. The sticks are usually OK to push easily.

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With most good radios ,the spring tension on the joy sticks can be adjusted or removed entirely.
You will need to take the back off to get to the adjustment.
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After a period of indecision I have returned to my first idea of an O gauge Inglenook for the initial high level indoor layout. No getting over how small the other scales now look.
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Hi Tony W, be using the remotes for a while, it's not the remotes I want to modify it is that CDA throttle a couple 0f posts back on Bob's C thread I want to modify now as they say the RCS they are working well leave them alone.
Handy to know you can adjust the tension on the joy stick, my son's joy stick on his wheel chair is very sensitive, I can't drive the chair he is good at  it.
Is this the way to wire a rotary switch, the one I am using is a 3pole 4 position switch the numbers on the pins at the back start off 1 to 12, the first 4 are used for LEDS and the pole close to those is the common for the LEDS. From 5 to 12 I be wiring the throttles to then. Question the first throttle soldered to no.5 to no.12, second throttle 6 to 11, third throttle 7 to 10, forth throttle be centre off 8 to 9, the other two poles go to the track., fingers crossed it is right.
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Sorry Tony.
I can't help you with wiring a rotary switch for selecting the method of powering the layout.
Never had to do one.

I would advise that you do not exceed the current capabilities of the switch contacts.

Might I suggest you start a new thread about wiring.  This one is probably not the best place to ask such questions because of thread drift.

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Hi Tony W yeah agree  on starting a new thread but I did ask the same question on my thread even with a pic, I haven't seen any threads on wiring your layout, my thread is called Camdale layout.
I could use DPDT switches go through a few switches, the rotary is rated pretty high, when I go to Jay-car to buy the connector stipes will ask them .
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After some brief forays with shunting planks I decided to quit that one while I was ahead. No one else here is likely to want to join me if I made it larger and more interesting.

I gathered all the remaining Styrofoam to see what could be made of it.

Evenings spent outdoors watching my trains before the light finally fades reminded me of the original objective for having an indoor layout.... to replicate what I did outdoors when the weather was nasty.
Enter the small island layout, I really don't like having trains running behind me.
Gauge is 16.5mm as the available size dictates, scale..... well let us see!
When I have decided I will of course start a thread in the appropriate folder.

Here the almost worn out blocks are being glued down one more time.
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Hi Bob, sad, but I can't wait to see what you come up the new indoor layout, I am designing my layout so I set up a couple of modules and the curved track so I can run a train if it is raining for a few days.
Just posted a couple of pics on my post how I join up the modules with ease the modules are coded where they sit on the pergola floor to the track plan, the spiral. is the same as well. I am thinking of having permeant steel pipe leg posts in the garden and do away with the folding legs which takes up too much room in the garden shed.
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Anything that makes setting up a layout quicker and easier means it will get used more often Tony. I see why many blokes who had O gauge all their life never go to a smaller scale and just abandon model railways when they have to go to a much smaller residence. I am finding it very hard to adjust to the smaller scale even after a few years. To think I use to scratchbuild in N scale once :>;) cheers BobC

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Hi Bob, yeah I agree, why it is taking me so long to build the layout making it easy to set up same with the wiring plug and play.
Gee the would of being a shock stepping up over triple the size from N scale to O scale, I have see non some O scale layout they used Z scale for those sit on trains great idea.
I would like to run a  rack rail branch line from the them main line  up into the garden in front of the car port to a village, need to win the lotto for that that project track would be expensive and the trains on top of the dual track and the trains, like the Swiss trains.
I be putting the station modules today so I can paint them, no break in this bloody hot weather next Sunday we are copping 40 degrees Saturday 38, Sydney copping 43 today ouch.
There is so many different scales in HO scale can't keep up, looking forward on what scale you be modelling and the progress of the new layout project,.
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Now, back on topic.
The indoor layout is going to absorb some time. I had planned to assemble a couple of British trains for the outdoor O gauge to run for the non modelling visitors. Lots of colour to be employed.
That project has been cancelled and a decision had to be made regarding use some of the existing stock.
The 16T mineral wagons seemed like they could be made to look not out of place on the layout, but what to do? The NSWGR had at the end of the steam era some rakes of 4 wheel wagons used in coal tippler service, they were painted in silver and coded UT.

Here is the start and a possible quick and easy conversion for a rake of these wagons.
No prizes for guessing how I came up with the wagon code <grin>
 

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p.s What a UT looked like. So no way this could be a cut and shut job to do a UT. I am considering a scratchbuilt rake of them in the future. http://www.robx1.net/b526_550/b529_24.jpg cheers BobC

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Seeing as I am in the process of removing the British trains from the layout I have taken the time to Australianise the last of my Fowlers.

I have some very nice bronze castings for standard NSWGR headlights and pumps but have chosen to keep them for the real thing. So I got busy and manufactured a headlight out of brass and a pump out of styrene and copper wire.
While I was at it I added the numbers as per the other locos, crew and cab tarpaulin.

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Hi Bob, very nice indeed that steamy kit bashing it into an Aussie loco, I like your two last post on the 4wheel wagons, I have a few of them for my German 2-8-2 tank loco, need to get some more and they are so expensive to buy hate to think on how much yours cost.
We had a mild day here yesterday30 degrees made the most of and improved the spiral, it got humid mid afternoon had a nice wind to cool you down, mowing the grass this afternoon charging  the 36volt battery ready, 32 today hot weekend coming up, new pics to study.
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Thankfully it has cooled down a bit.
The Lima 12T mineral wagons could be had for $25 when the dollar was at its best, about $40 plus postage at the moment.
Lima 4F's could be had for about $120 at the same time.
The collection of old pommie locos that could be seen in the coal fields was varied, so it doesn't take much to imagine a 4F with headlight and westinghouse pump in the mix.
With improved pickup or battery powered they are well suited to running outside.

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Morning Bob, yeah yesterday wasn't too bad as well but I decided to whipper snip and mow the grass late afternoon, much the same today, planning to putty up the old screw holes and paint the second station module.
Ouch will make an expensive  freight train with those 4 wheel wagons, have you scratch built any of the mineral wagons, just a matter of buying the wheels and couplers and styrene.
Can't wait to see how your Lima steamy going to look like when finished, are you going to leave the colour black.
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If you look at page 3 of my original thread you will see some info on a rake of coal hoppers I built. Each one would cost a little bit more than the Lima 16T mineral wagons I bought however. Somewhere about $40 each to make at the time.
However they were much cheaper than kit or RTR versions (had they been available). The current kit is $140 and the brass RTR LCH much more expensive.
A tiny HO LCH is currently $40 so I got a lot more for my money.

I just tried to do a current pricing for a simple 4 wheel wagon at minimal cost,this assumes that only the very basics are purchased (Wheels, W irons, brake cylinder and couplers) and you fashion the rest yourself.
No one currently offers W irons so I have gone on the last price some years ago.

$18 + $6 + $8+ $7 = $39 total

Add to this the cost of styrene, wire, card or what ever other materials you use to fashion the model and it comes out somewhere under $50.

Yes, the Lima loco will remain black.

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HI Bob,How close would those UK wagons go to the old NSWGR B or D wagons that had been updated with steel sides? Or just a bodged repaint into an "almost S" truck. South Bulli and some northern coalfieds collieries had timber wagons that might go close.  See http://www.trainweb.org/turrellatramway/rollingstock.htm
In the 1880's Mt Kembla had iron-sided coal wagons that came from the UK, but these had tapered iron hoppers that were fixed to the wagon frames

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John, in years past some people used to cut the OO versions down to vaguely resemble a steel sided S wagon. They would also have removed much of the underfloor detail in the process too.
If you have access to AMRM no 28: pg 22 shows the typical result.

I probably should have stuck them back on feebay but this fudge appealed to me. These wagons will make up part of a coalie consisting of a mixed rake of wagons.
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Further thoughts.
I think if I wanted to use these wagons for a more close to scale wagon I would ditch the body and build a new one. The early 10' w/b wagons could make use of the underframe as is.
I would need to be modelling the 1800's for those wagons.

The steel S wagon had a 10' underframe so carving away the brake gear and adding the correct bits would help.

The real attraction of these wagons to me is their reliability outdoors, they handle track deviations with ease. :>)

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Hi Bob,The South Bulli wagons ("black boxes") were in service well into the 1930's at least. These were end-dumpers that were upended by a steam ram at their jetty at Bellambi 

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Afternoon Bob, bloody hot here one of my roses has burnt leaves on a few branches, peaked 36 in the sun and 34 in under the  pergola, hotter than yesterday , we bought a indoor outdoor weather thermometer from Jar-Car for in under the pergola to check the temp.
Yeah I went to your old post , real good scratching building there, last time I saw those coal wagons was in the 70's, noticed you scratch built a tank steamy shell and diesel shell well done, I will be having a go at scratch building a Diesel DL class loco hard to come to by now, when they do come up on eBay they are too dear to buy.
I got scale drawing on the DL class and how the builder scratch built his loco, picking the meg that will go with Austrains NR class, Pacific National still use the DL's to help get the Indian Pacific over the Blue Mountains.
I noticed you had snow on your layout how often does it snow every year, must of been pretty cold that day, never happen here heavy frost is as close as we get.
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It doesn't snow every year. Too cold to snow :>)

I have built several locomotives in 7mm, that includes the mechanism too.

I hope they continue to use the Blue Mountains line for the IP. To me it would be one of the highlights of the trip.

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Morning Bob, how cold does it drop to  snow, in Oregon where a friends lives he said it drops  down to about 12f to snow, we be in trouble, that be minus 12c here, does the conditions have to be right.

I have neve seen snow and one my to do list is going on a holiday in the Snowy mountains want to touch it and walk through it even have a go at skying.

Yeah have to agree my mum and sister went on the Indian Pacific in March last year and didn't talk ,much about going through the Blue Mountains they took no pics or vide either, don't have to go on the IP to go through the tunnels go on a double deck eclectic to Lithgow.

I can put some tunnels on the spiral be a possibility long enough  and paint a back scene of the Zig-Zag railway be awesome .
Going to be a stinker of a day going to paint the second  station module before it gets too hot this morning.

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It was a joke Tony.  It does however warm slightly as it starts to snow I have found.

Meanwhile back at the ranch.... here are the UK's.
They are making up part of a mixed goods as the first train for the morning.
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Hi Bob

Here's a leading/trailing driving wheel 'casting' for ya'.  I have just realised while looking at the screen-grab that I haven't hollowed out the spokes; won't take long to fix that and it's worth doing because it will save material and reduce their cost but before I do, I will throw a file at Shapeways anyway, to find out roughly what these will cost.

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I knew you would beat me to it Woodsie, keep me informed.

When thinking about these wheels I contemplated making the wheel with the smaller balance weight and adding a bit on after for the driving wheel if I was going to get pedantic... or not including the balance weight at all.
Thoughts?

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If you are talking about modifying a leading/trailing driver to make the main driver, way ahead of you there too.  It's far less work to modify the CAD file; here's a screen-grab of the bare-bones CAD file, where you can see the beginnings of the main driver to the right.  It started as a copy of the leading driver, had a couple of oblong holes removed, and all I have to do now is punch the circular holes and add larger counterweight.

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Robert Comerford wrote: ...
Meanwhile back at the ranch.... here are the UK's.
They are making up part of a mixed goods as the first train for the morning.
cheers
 BobC



Hi Bob,
f you didn't tell everyone that NSWGR didn't have similar wagons no-one would be any the wiser. 

IF Corrimal had remained under the ownership of the UK-based Southern Coal Company and there had been some money in the mine, then maybe a Hunter version of this alternate history could have led to the UK wagons being imported as a cheap "off-the-shelf" option for one of the Hunter-district mines as private owner wagons??
Never letting the truth get in the way of a good yarn, ;)

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Good joke I thought it was real never seeing snow, nice rake of wagons behind your steamy, that's the trouble when you  have steam locos to have matching wagons of that era, like the Garratts didn't they pull a lot of those simular wagons, how I love to own one, one day.

I painted in under the second  station module this morning, too hot now see what it is like later on this afternoon.

Looking on the net for European four wheel coal wagons after seeing your have to have some.
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Hi John, too true what you say, I hate it when going to the train club ways some other member picking on you not having the right wagons or coaches.
You run what you like on your own layout.
just replied to Bob C and those dam stile color codes came up again haven't seen them forages so re-edited the post.
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Hi Bob

Just got the file for the leading/trailing driver centre loaded into my Shapeways shop; one centre costs a whole US$4.51. This will come down a bit when I sprue a whole set together, but bear in mind that the tyres need to be purchased separately.  This one-off is mainly to see if there are any minimum-thickness problems that are going to trip me up, but all looks good so I can plough on and finish the main driver now.

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Wow, you are well ahead of me Paul.
So here's a thought; could they be made to accept a Slaters driving axle and work or would the material be not rigid enough?
The pricing of the centres I am sure is more than reasonable.

OK, I give in where is the listing for tyres in the Slaters catalogue? :>)

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The problem here is my regular visitors apart from my r/c flying friend are genuine modellers, not toy train collectors.
They know what is correct and their own layouts depict that.

These wagons should be cause for comment when any of them next arrive, I get enough stick for the 4F's. :>)

I can't say I am much different from them, I do however appreciate a layout that is faithful to type e.g. I can appreciate a Tri-ang layout that uses only items that are part of that brand or were made as accessories to go with that toy train era, or one made from Athearn blue box and Roundhouse items as much as a layout built to state of the art. Introducing an item that is to a far better or worse standard to such a layout reduces its appeal to me.

My O scale layout has to be built to more rugged standards, far from what I would have if it were located under cover. I have 2 very high quality locos in my collection, they are likely to spend most of their time with me on a display shelf. They would look out of place with the rest of the stock.
I try to keep levels of detail similar in every item I make.
Things like the Fowlers and 16T mineral wagons are simply stop gap items until I get around to building their more correct replacements.
I can't get too fussy ,after all I am running on Peco track, not track correct for NSW practice :>)
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Robert Comerford wrote: OK, I give in where is the listing for tyres in the Slaters catalogue? :>;)
Hi Bob

There isn't one; I have communicated directly with one Mr. David White at Slaters on several occasions, enquiring about details of wheels, and Mr White volunteered the fact that Slaters is more than happy to supply tyres only.

I'm a bit fuzzy on the specifics because this was quite a while ago, but I seem to recall Mr White telling me that they can even manufacture a specific size and profile so long as you are happy with free-machining mild steel, and the size must fit within the range of one of the roundbar sizes that Slaters purchases for making tyres for their own stock line - at least, that's what I think he said.

Happily, for being 7mm scale, the 38's tyres will be an 'off-the-shelf' item anyway.

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Robert Comerford wrote: So here's a thought; could they be made to accept a Slaters driving axle and work or would the material be not rigid enough?

Forgot to address this question:  I'm not sure if the material would be rigid enough on its own, but it is something I have wanted to try for a very long time.  It is not difficult to create the appropriate CAD file to test it.  I have a Slaters axle around here somewhere that I can measure up.  Failing that, I have a cunning plan to make my own square-ended axles, so that I can make the square portion as long as is required to obtain sufficient rigidity.

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Robert Comerford wrote:
I can't get too fussy ,after all I am running on Peco track, not track correct for NSW practice :>;)
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Ah but at Corrimal they actually ran bullhead rail, including a bullheaded double-slip - 

This was an "early days" photo - 


By the time it gets buried in dropped coal dust and spillage, sleeper spacing and railchairs are pretty difficult to pick - even from up close


Where else can you get that in 7mm/' scale standard gauge apart from Peco? 

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Ahh, OK I will slip them an email and enquire.

OK Baldrick, I await the results of your cunning plan?

Using Slaters axles is not a major requirement for me Paul, in fact I would be happy to use 5mm axles if needed.
I will be making my own chassis out of styrene for these locos when I get around to it, so as long as I can get the appropriate top hat bearing the axle size is not an issue.

I was thinking more of others that may or may not be interested. The BFB wheels have been the main method I have seen used to 2-rail the old O Gauge House/Col Shepherd 3-rail era 'kits'.

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You may be able to use it at Corrimal and be correct but it is not appropriate for the NSWGR in the 20th century John. :>)
It is however one of those compromises I am happy to live with. My previous indoor O gauge layouts were handlaid in code 100, not a job I wanted to undertake for an outdoor layout!

In fact did NSWGR ever have bullhead? I have read we went straight from double head rail to flat bottom.
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I will have to do some re-vegetation on the layout. Last nights storm took down a lot of trees around the town including the 1:43 variety. :>)
I was waiting for the roof to go at one stage.

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Robert Comerford wrote: OK Baldrick, I await the results of your cunning plan?

Using Slaters axles is not a major requirement for me Paul, in fact I would be happy to use 5mm axles if needed.

I will be making my own chassis out of styrene for these locos when I get around to it, so as long as I can get the appropriate top hat bearing the axle size is not an issue.

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Hi Bob

Ok....e-mail already sent to my local materials supplier for what I need for trial, will report back in due course.

5mm is more than likely to be the axle size if my crazy idea works.

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style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"Morning Bob, yeah I have a few friends that are the same right down to smallest detail, I mainly buy RTR trains, but have built a DD/35 UP loco with out any cabs and going to have a go at building a DL class loco. That DD/35 loco  took cutting up  four  sheels later, haven't finished it needs scratch built hand rails tiding up the sheel and painting, be a winter project thing year.
Can see what you are at with your layout,my layout the only main areas with close to the proto type be Sydney Central the double deck bridge between Sweden and Denmark and East Perth , be good if I could run around the whole house be nice out of the question could have more permeant stations, might do something with the spiral scenery wise.
Your post a few ahead of this one you say you copped that storm pretty bad was wondering how you went, hope the repair to the layout not that bad, going to be our turn this afternoon gusty storms predicted had heavy rain last night 10mm, good for the grass.
What about hail Sydney had ones as big as cricket balls ouch, we have being luck, over due for a big one.
Good you can buy O gauge track from Peco going to buy some for my old clock working tank loco, didn't know O gauge is 7mm
Over cast here, rain of and on as well, a pain.
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Tony, you might find your clockwork loco wheels will not be compatible with Peco track. You will need to check first before buying. Just because something is nominally the same gauge does not mean it is compatible. A friend has a collection of Hornby clockwork but sadly it is not compatible with any of my track, the deep toy market flanges run on the sleepers and it would jump off trying to traverse a point. If it was compatible I would turn the track power off and let him run it here when he wanted to.

Gauge is the distance between rails, a variety of scales can be used for the equipment running on it. 7mm/ft is the ratio originally used when it was invented.It is mainly used by the British,French and NSWGR modellers. Europeans apart from the French use the more correct 1:45 and North American modellers use 1/4". Modellers of Victorian and South Australian railways generally also use 1/4" as the gauge then becomes a scale 5' which is closer to the 5'3" prototype gauge they are modelling.

O gauge can also be used for modelling 3'6" prototypes with a variety of scales used... 9mm is a popular choice for NZR modellers. It is also used to model 2' gauge railways in 16mm scale. This combination is called SM32 and is very popular worldwide.

Repairs go with the territory with an outdoor railway, no worries thanks.

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Morning Bob, I will have to find out what brand track AMRA use on their garden railway as my clock work tank loco ran perfectly on the O  scale track the track has two gauges., take my loco with me when I buy the track to make sure she sits ok when I go to my loco hobby shop.
  No worries how are you going with the layout repair just got a warring to brace for more bad storms to the east coast, in the Daily news.
Are you actually moulding your own steam loco drive wheels, looking forward to how the project turns out, as I have to find out how to tackle moulding . Sydney Central have head of pedestals on the top of the building and  tram level fencing plus the main bridge to the car park and front entrance, could I do sand moulding???? as in the pic
Take care with those storms, Tony.

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Here is a pic of the pedestals on Sydney Central.
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Tony M wrote: Are you actually moulding your own steam loco drive wheels, looking forward to how the project turns out, as I have to find out how to tackle moulding . Sydney Central have head of pedestals on the top of the building and  tram level fencing plus the main bridge to the car park and front entrance, could I do sand moulding???? as in the pic
Take care with those storms, Tony.

Hi Tony

Bob and I have been talking about using 3D printing to create more accurate representations of the NSWGR class 38's distinctive boxpok wheels, and this process is worlds apart from sand casting.  I do know a bit about sand casting, however....you usually need a pattern that splits in half, although an original part can be used with a bit of care.  Nowadays, you could measure an original and have a 2-part pattern 3D-printed.  See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_casting for a good round-up of how sand casting is done.

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Ditto Paul.

Tony, you could ask the S scale guys at AMRA, they should be able to give you some advice on making castings from your own masters using rubber moulds and resins.

Now here is where the mistake between scales and gauge is so commonly made. The garden railway track is dual gauge. O GAUGE and GAUGE ONE. Nothing O 'SCALE' about it

Good luck on your search.

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Hi Paul from across the Tasman and Bob C, how dear is it to do 3/D printing, I have a brother in law that has a 3/D  printer and ask him if he would print me a row of those pedestals once I have worked out the size of them. I have a wood lathe as back up if he doesn't do them, take ages to turn all of them, quickest way is mould them, yes Bob when I go to AMRA Saturday week  will ask one of the S scale blokes.

Thanks for putting me straight about the scales, and gauges should I should be saying HO gauge then away thought it be scale, 87th scale is what  I work on when scaling down the  proto type. Into modelling those wind turbine blades 20 inches long in 87th scale , the proto type blades are about 45metres long only a baby and 737 fuselages for train loads.

So many projects to keep me busy on those cold windy  days in winter, wont be any more hot  hot days   in the low 30's will make the most of it working on my layout, aiming for June to run the first train around the whole layout,, big moment, in April I want to run a test train on the spiral and station modules around to the back first corner module.

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Just keep saying you work in 'HO' and everyone will know what your doing. It's just a historical anomaly that often leads to misunderstandings once joe average gets away from HO or N standard gauge modelling.

O gauge is a mine field of non compatible items for the uninitiated.

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Tony M wrote: how dear is it to do 3/D printing, I have a brother in law that has a 3/D  printer and ask him if he would print me a row of those pedestals once I have worked out the size of them.

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Hi Tony

I can't answer this without knowing the actual size of the part to be printed, and the level of detail/surface finish you require.  A cheapie home desk-top kind of 3D-printer which extrudes molten plastic is usually too coarse for most modelling projects, except where the part cannot easily be seen.  Even then, precision (or lack of it) can cause problems.  Bear in mind too, that there are many different types of 3D-printing.  As well as the molten-plastic mentioned above, some involve lasers selectively fusing nylon powder or metal powder, some use light to 'set-off' light-curing liquid resins. 

These various processes have wildly varying levels of detail and cost  The best detail is often only practical for smaller parts for reasons of cost, and also the overall print area is usually much smaller than less-detailed processes.  The wheel centres I have been designing for Shapeways' Black-Strong-Flexible resin, for example, would cost over three times as much in Ultra-Detail and nearly five times as much when made in Xtreme-Detail, and in fact I could not fit the 'sprue' of six centres on the machine used to print Xtreme-Detail anyway.

Another issue you need to watch out for is, can the part be made more cheaply another way?  You mention that a wood lathe is a back-up but I suspect this is probably very labour intensive.  However, having a highly detailed master 3D-printed and then copied by means of resin, brass or whitemetal casting could be a better way of obtaining highly detailed copies for a lot less $$$.  I have a very good jewellery casting company not too far from me that will cast brass, and while they can't make particularly large castings, the quality is good and the cost of the casting itself is much lower than an equivalent 3D printed part.  There is the cost of the mould to consider, but if you are making a lot of copies, brass casting quickly edges out 3D-printing on a cost-per-part basis.

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Hi Bob and Paul, no worries about the gauges, it's the British 00 gauge as well bigger than HO gauge  in length width and height coaches aren't too bad its the locos especially the older diesel locos, I had a British Deltic 55 00 gauge class loco, much bigger than my NR lass locos.

Paul I worked out the size of the pedestal on HO gauge the height is 9mm x 4mm wide I think it would be hard to turn something that size, need 10 of them in a set of course some rows there are 9 and lower, how much would that cost to 3/D print.

My brother in laws printer isn't a cheap one in the 2 grand mark , he hardly uses it, my friend on his N gauge Sydney Central station he did his pedestals  in brass edging if that what the word is., I can put more pics on my post.

Nice day here not so hot, bugger my wife going grocery shopping, I have to look after my son, can't do much outside with tools, have to wait till Friday to do any work on the layout finishing off the spiral.

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Tony M wrote: Paul I worked out the size of the pedestal on HO gauge the height is 9mm x 4mm wide I think it would be hard to turn something that size, need 10 of them in a set of course some rows there are 9 and lower, how much would that cost to 3/D print.

My brother in laws printer isn't a cheap one in the 2 grand mark ,
Tony

Hi Tony

Ten items that size can be sprued together quite easily - Shapeways charges a 'per part' fee plus a certain number of $$ per cubic centimetre of resin, so the more parts you can sprue together, the better, saves on the 'per part' portion of the fee.

Doing an extremely rough estimate, your set of ten pedestals might cost in the region of US$12-$15 for Ultra Detail, or US$18-$22 for Extreme Detail, plus freight.  I don't mind having them done through my account if I am having stuff done for myself at the same time in which case I'll only charge for postage from me to you, which should be quite a bit cheaper than what Shapeways charge for sending it from them to me.

And while I don't want to rain on your brother-in-law's parade, even a $2,000 3D printer is cheap compared to the $250,000 machines used by Shapeways and all the other big-time 3D-printing firms.  I'm not trying to say your brother-in-law's machine is rubbish, that wouldn't be true at all, I just want to make the point that there are horses for courses; a top-end 'home desktop' machine might manage to reproduce details 0.5mm across, and lay down layers 0.1mm thick, which is quite useful for artwork, and even large-scale model railways, but compare that with the likes of Shapeways' FXD machine, which can reproduce surface features 0.1mm thick and has a layer thickness of 0.016mm i.e. 1/6th that of the desktop printer.  When trying to create a 1/32nd scale Westinghouse air compressor with all its fins and bolt-heads, the desktop machine just can't manage that level of detail.

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Hi Paul, many thanks  I am going to take up your offer, but I need to do a lot of home work first to get those pedestals right to scale, working it out they are pretty small 10 pedestals in a row of 10 is about 32mm long. If all concrete pedestal  fences are the  same measurements give and take there is a house I go pass  if I can take some measurements they are in a group of 10 pedestals as well.
Do you want to start up a new thread  on 3/D printing for moulding, I can put more pics of close ups of  pedestals.
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Tony M wrote: Hi Paul,
Do you want to start up a new thread  on 3/D printing for moulding, I can put more pics of close ups of  pedestals.
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Hi Tony

A new thread is appropriate now.

If you can take a couple of photos at as high a resolution as you can manage, that would be a great help.  One taken from the same height as the centre of the subject is particularly useful because I can scale quite accurately off the photo if I have a known dimension to work from, such as overall height.  Then two or three taken from various angles and looking downwards, to show relief of surfaces, and the jobs as good as done.

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Hi Paul, I started a new thread on 3/D printing make a master for moulds in general talk I will start adding close up pics only one pic per post , can't access the gallery to do with win 10 Edge, Chrome is the same, see you there .
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Today I re-motored a Lima 4F.
Drive wheel gear teeth worn down too far.
Cheap 1833 equivalent off ebay and Ultrascale gears.
Motor mounted with hot melt glue as an experiment as I did not have silicone in stock.
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The station building is ready for re-use. Considering what I started with it is more than acceptable for outdoor use.
Cardboard and umbrella ribs to the rescue.
Spikes in the platform and holes in the floor will keep it in place when it is in use outdoors. Just got to remember to bring it in at the end of play.

I suppose it is time to finish the repairs to the platform now :>(
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Morning Bob, was the motor you replaced noisy, I have a Lima 3801 I think have a simular motor to your steamy has a very noisy scream to it other  than that she runs well would love to replace the motor, one day.
I got some old Lima FP45's that have the old pancake motor will be replacing those motors with new megs the problem is they are 00 scale.
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Morning Bob, nice work on your repair to the station looks pretty good, even better on the platform, have repair there as well, I wont have that issue with  my layout being modular.
We had a bad storm yesterday I had to put my modules I had just finished painting up on the saw horses we copped 50mm's in  30 minutes had a lake in on the pergola floor the drainage channels couldn't cope same with the roof gutters.
How is the weather in Glen Innes, be hot again after the weekend, hope Saturday isn't too bad I want to do some woodturning, turning a couple of pens.
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You are welcome to send any excess rain over this way - the cracks in the ground are big enough to fit my fingers into. The crickets probably think that is terrific, because it saves them from having to dig their own holes and then they can put more energy into their midnight serenading. The noise at night is driving me nuts, [whack] and we badly need a good downpour to drown the little sods.

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Tony, tThe motor I replaced was a pancake one. I cut away the unneeded mount and carved a slot in the chassis to mount the new motor and gears.
The reason I had to do this was the gear on the driven wheel (similar to their 16.5mm range) had teeth worn down too far to always engage with the drive gear. If Lima was still making them I might have just ordered a new wheel. I only have one left driven by the original Lima drive, I have a motor and gears ready for it one day. Outdoors they are not noisy enough to be an issue. With some attention to detail I was able to make the HO ones run reasonably quietly.
If you have one making excess noise then something is not aligned right or needs some grease applied. The motor bearings might need the tiniest drop of oil.

Paul, amazing to think NZ is in drought. I was told by ex-pats that no rain for a week was considered a drought over your way :>)

My crickets love the rain! I go out and selectively step on some of the closest holes some nights.

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Here is the station back in its rightful place.
The platform is being repaired now too.

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Hi Paul, gee I am surprised that  you are in a drought on the North Island thought you got your fair share of rain, pretty bad what you say about those cracks in your yard , we get them as well in the dry months of summer the heat doesn't help either.

I mowed the grass last week when we were copping those real hot day and after mowing the next day the heat brunt the grass just  starting to come back yesterdays storm will do its trick and you can fertilise as much as you can, over night after a storm you can see the green  colour coming back.

We don't have an issue with crickets only when it rains, I wondered why after it has rained small holes in the yard from crickets then.
 No storm tonight rain all week Saturday is a mild day hope to do some outdoor woodturning.


I finely nailed  some track down on the first station module temporary main line and soldered the track module join and cut the track looking good. keep an eye out on my  Camdale layout post in the 00/HO scale garden railway thread.
How are you going with that drawing of the pedestals.

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Hi Bob C. I found a link to Overlands O scale sand tower, how tall do you think it is and the diameter of the actual piece the sand is in, I would love to have a go at scratch building it.

Heljan bring out a sand tower has platforms as well but you need 2 feet of space in the  service facility, this unit will save space double track as well.
You station building repair has come along nicely, well done.
https://www.trainmaster.ch/Z-750.htm

It has being raining for the last few days, Sunday had a morning storm I should of done some work on the layout outside, the only work I can do is the bus wiring on the station modules,planned for today. Be making a small panel to hold the bus wire plugs, point motorand signal wire plugs, rain be around till the weekend.

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Sorry I can't tell you the dimensions Tony. Your guess would be as good as mine.
Pose a question to the US modellers they might know.

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Hi Bob, no worries I will  do some research to see if I can fine the measurements of the brass sand tower, be a good scratch building project probably be dear to buy the kit.


Did well today be posting some pics of my effort on my post tonight.

No rain this afternoon but quite humid, the problem when it rains the weeds  pop up from the rain, need to do another weed patrol , don't spray the weeds in the yard any more grass takes too long to come back, weeds easy to pull up after rain.

Tony

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With the arrival of some more balsa I am producing some more replacement sides for the platform.
Soaking the top in superglue as strengthening against hail damage.

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Hi Bob that is a great idea soak the top of the platform with super glue, I am tyring to figure the best and quickest way to build my platforms, used solid ply just made the module too heavy to lift, thinking of using 3mm MDF board and make a frame like you have done.
My wire stripper is work fine doing what I bought it for to strip the  bus wire mid stream pure awesome will have to take a couple of pics.
The weather up here is unstable and humid, I felt it when I mower the grass late afternoon hot week coming up.
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Hey guys, I had an outdoor layout for over 10 years (Mogollon Railway) and when I could, I kept it all covered up with some plastic "drop cloth" material from the home store. This worked fine, through wind, rain, hail, and snow.

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There has been much more snow, this is just one pix I found.

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Good idea Woodie, but not for lazy old me. :>)

One of the givens in building this layout was to have the layout ready to use and abandon at a moments notice. That meant no removable items. A friend in Sydney has some sections of his layout with permanently attached covers that are laid back when running. Such covers would also play havoc with my power poles and trees and perhaps unlike yourself I can regularly operate through winter.

Storm season is nearly at an end Tony if things are anywhere near normal.

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style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"Afternoon Woodie, I am surprised that you are still getting snow falls  coming into the second month of Spring for you, do you have an offical   time spring actually starts, in Germany  their spring started on the 21st of March.

Do you have a lot of building on your layout and power pole be hard to cover.
Woodie can you tell by looking at a pic how tall the building is Overland did an O scale sand tower, I want to scratch build it in HO scale

Still quite hot and humid over here, towards the end of May the morning will have that cool nit in the air.
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Morning Bob, we were lucky as we didn't cop as many storms as we did last summer, I wonder if it is to do with the developers clearing the trees and native bush to make way for new estates big housing boom where I live.
How is your new platform sides going, might get a chance late afternoon to do some bus wiring, going  to the hobby shop in Ipswich to buy more track and a couple of bags of Peco track nails, go through them.
What do you  use to nail down your O gauge track...
Glad to see the end of the heat, rain is gone for the moment, nice sunny morning here.
Bob  I know a bloke that lives in the Blue Mountains and he made ply covers with hinges that he just foddered out the way, but sadly he scrapped the layout due to mother nature playing havoc with the timber he used , he modelled 00 gauge, he was on this form a few years back.
The same would happen to my layout if I left it set up outside.
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We haven't had snow in some time, I guess it's Global Warming due to political crap. I have to tell you, my layout withstood torrential rains and hail and even snow when it wasn't covered and suffered minimal damage. But then I used gallons of glue to keep everything down. Yes, I had old time power poles here & there. If you want to see what it was, look in the narrow gauge section, Mogollon Railway. The track was all hand laid and there were no worries about running trains, with r/c and onboard batteries, I could/can run across a concrete floor anytime. Wiring a layout? What an antiquated thing to imagine!

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Hi Bob and Woodie, have to agree with political crap , onw government is going the same way with global warming they should be acting now, I am doing something about it all yard tools are 36volt batter powered and my MR mag is digital.
Will have another on your old post while at the specialist appointment.
How I would love to switch my locos to battery power, with HO gauge not enough room, 00 gauge the British locos are a lot bigger, save all that wiring.
I bought a new wire stripper, it is awesome, mainly bought it for stripping the bus wire  mid stream is so much easier now and a lot faster as well., I now got the bus wiring to a fine art, will take some pics if I do any wiring this afternoon.

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Hi, will keep a look out on your thread for your wiring exploits Tony.
The track is held down with screws, you can't nail into my top surface Tony.

There are people out there running battery/rc in N gauge locos. I built a battery powered r/c HO loco in the early 80's. It is however easier in the larger scales.

My layout runs with almost no maintenance year round. The track power is DCC and I can run locos as small and light as my X200 rail tractor on it reliably. The secret (if there is one) is the use of a little light machine oil or graphite on the rails. Saves all that faffing around charging batteries. :>)
The only thing that stops it is snow.

I do have a battery powered Lima 4F that is to be used to test the concept of a loco to take down to AMRA Sydney clubrooms. The layout there is 12/24V dc centre third rail and also uses coarser standards for their trackwork.
I intend to build a NSWGR loco for this purpose and am hoping I can equip it with a compromise wheel standard to run on both mine and the AMRA layout.

I also have a hybrid drive railmotor. Both these locos can be run in the snow.

The wooden structures I installed have suffered so lesson learnt, the styrene ones however have held up very well; however a big hailstone strike can take down almost anything!
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p.s. Woodie if you are still watching. I meant to ask before if you had a separate radio for each of your engines or did like I did once when operating with crystal controlled gear and had an on/off switch, turning on the loco I wanted to run.
I have been across your former nice whimsical railway outdoors more than once.Sorry to see it had to go.
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Hi Bob, how was your Saturday run any trains, I had a great day in the electrical department finished the bus wiring on the second station module  pic to show how I do my bus wiring.
Be great of I could change all my locos to battery power no need for all that bus wiring, do you have to re-motor the loco as well, I have an O gauge clock work tank loco I am going to switch to battery, the loco be a it like the coffee pot steam  railmotor in SA and power the carriage bogie.  Going to buy new track as well run it inside the house on those hot rainy days .

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No outdoor trains here at the moment Tony, raining on and off the last few days.
Changing motors should not be needed for most HO locos you are likely to come across. Some people install coreless motors to get the maximum run time out of the battery but that is not normally needed for HO. It is an expensive option.

My past outdoor ventures in HO showed me that battery/radio would save me a lot of wheel/track cleaning and would be needed to give me the reliability I expect.

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Morning Bob, keeping an eye on the cyclone outside Townsville category 3 at the moment predicted to hit land full Tuesday at category 4 hope we get some good in out of it.

We are back to warm weather again 33 degrees today 35 Wednesday wash the car after brekkie and finish the wiring off in the afternoon on the first station module.

How much running time do you get out of the batters before a charge and do they charge up pretty quick.

I am thinking of radio controlling a slide control throttle or build a  new throttle using a servo to turn the nob, any ideas, then my son can run a train as well.

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Battery run time can vary widely. In my installations I get over an hour. You might want to pose that question in the radio control folder.
But here is a not untypical scenario.
Say my HO engine pulls 200mA, I have a 3S 600mAH pack fitted.
In an ideal world that would be 3 hours running. let us say 2 hours easily.
If you ask a question in the rc folder you will get some real world answers.


First question might be ..what is your son's range of control?
centre off knob only
knob and switch
touchpad
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There are the Talking Electronics kits still available as one option.
http://www.talkingelectronics.com/AllKitsWithPics/AllKitsWithPics.html

The walkaround controller is designed to work with a r/c tx/rx combo.

The (fixed) Throttle kit they do has been used on many layouts around the country. I once used one with a lead long enough to reach all around the layout room.
These are relatively simple kits.
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Hi Bob, I am not in a hurry to re-motor the O gauge clock work steamy wait till once my layout is up and running, will for sure head over to the radio guys.

My son doesn't have a lot can just manage to work the mouse and key board  playing games, his electric wheel chair has a joy stick is very sensitive, I heard you can  adjust the joy stick in the remote. The next step is go computer but it would be easier with DCC., am thinking the  rotary nob control be better than slide with the servo.

I was at the hobby shop on Friday and noticed they replaced the step with a ramp, getting my son up there to try a remote control, I don't have a van now, bugger need to win the lotto Toyota HI-ace's cost $80,000 rigged out with a hoist and new flooring, have to rely on maxi taxies.

How I love to go DCC , as my son could use the lap top Wi-Fi and using the Engine driver app controlled by a mouse, can only dream.

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Thanks Bob, I will look into the rc / tx/rx combo, thanks for the link lots of electronic kits to choose from I am after church bells .
What size wires do you use for your bus wires will have to hose size wires, I am nearly out of wire, Jay-car don't have any wire in between the thicker stuff is too big, won't fit the plugs I use.
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The main problem with radio control of the track is now lack of support for such systems. Most of those manufacturers have ceased production due to the market move to DCC.
If your son can operate a pc mouse and you already have a laptop and the phone I would be surprised if DCC would be much different in price to other options.
There's never any need to chip dozens of locos. A couple is all you need to start. For systems without the capacity to run one dc loco (e.g. NCE) the layout can be switched back to a dc p/s to run a favourite unchipped loco occasionally. The NCE powercab or Digitrax Zephyr Xtra have usb interfaces available for them.

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Good Morning Bob, Yeah have to agree probably right about radio control costing a fair bit to set up and afraid he mightn't be able to move the joy stick, now I quit AMRA don't need to go NCE Digrtax  or Lenz a way to go. I will probably go for  the one you have the new one out has 20 locos as you say can only run three at the most, then I can go Wi-Fi looks like a big wife con here:PL: 
I am hooping one of the positions  on the rotary switches be for DCC and an DPDT switch as well , to close to DCL: wait till the layout is up and running smoothly first.

Have sorted out the rotary switches,, got on working now I need to design the control panel and thing of the panel be just for the rotary switches  blocks and number each rotary switch
I bought a Multi metre have to learn how to use it, next one up from the cheap one from Jar-car. do you have one.

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Hi Bob.

I still make a trackside R/C unit for all scales.    TITAN TRACKSIDE


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Morning Bob, will you get affected by Cyclone Debbie, Lismore copping it bad 11metre flooding they say worsted since 2004, don't think it is raining there  copping it from up steam.
We copped 200mm's since the rain started, last night the worsted flooding under the pergola pics on my post, 80mm's in an hour.
Nice to see the sun again, nice morning here, back to the bus wiring today.
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No, it broke up and went around us up here. Just some minor local flooding.
Certainly some problems along the coastal strip with falls up to 500mm. That's a lot of water!

Friends in Lismore are up out of the flood zone, others up in effected areas in Qld can't be contacted at the moment so don't know how they fared. One lot live in an old beachside house not built to storm resistant standards.
Might see some sun today, however it will be indoor layout work today. I think the glue used on the platform repairs had time to set before the deluge but won't be sure until I remove the bricks holding it all together. Hardly an issue compared to those with flooded or blown away houses.
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HI Bob, yeah no rain Here SE/QLD, flooding  Logan Beenleigh upper Gold Coast Springbrook has had 800mm's and that flows into the Logan and Albert rivers

We are either  side of two creek catchments but up fairly high,cyclone 2011 we were cut off.

Glad you are ok, sadly be like this for a few days to come., quite windy here today not too hot.

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In between the showers I have managed to finish the repairs to one side of the platform and all of the loading bank.
Here is a before shot

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Here is the after shot.

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Hi Bob, nice indeed you did well, how long did it take you to rebuild the platform wall.
No rain up here all week what the doctor ordered so they can clean the mess  made by Cyclone Debbie.

That is a good size layout how big is it would of taken you a while to build it.
Do you have a rive or creek flowing through Glen Innes, the poor people that live in Logan, the two rivers close by are still rising Logan and Albert rivers.

Big clean up mess as far done as Lismore saw on the news tonight.
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It has taken weeks Tony, due to material shortages and weather. Had I had everything on hand when I started it would have been easily completed in one day.

No, just a creek running through town. Only a small number of houses affected when it floods.

The layout was mainly built by a builder friend of mine. He wanted to do it as thanks for teaching him to fly his r/c planes. I just funded it and did what I was told. :>)

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Best taking time get top results, I am figuring out what to use for my platforms framming with 5mm ply tops to keep the weight down on the modules made that misstake on the older module layout, hsad trouble picking the module up 3by7ft long .

Nice of your friend to build your layout for you does it take a lot of time to learn to fly a R/C plane,  don't you get wings., if I had to give the trains away will RC/planes would love to fly an V22 Osprey  be a lot of fun guess I would have to build my up to that plane.


My brother is a retired builder should get him interested in helpinhg me have the layout up and running a lot earlier but he lives on the other side of Brisbane.


The Logan river still hasn't peaked going to worse than 74 floods, feeling for those home owners that live close to that river, Ipswich was sparred the Bremmer river didn't get up the levels predicted.

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Tony, suggest you read my original thread first for more details on the origins of my layout, might help.

How long it takes to learn depends on the individual and how they learn.
Best method is with an instructor and a suitable beginner aircraft. Regular use of an r/c program such as FMS (available free on the web) hooked up to the transmitter you are going to learn with via an adaptor will speed up the process.
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Morning Bob, it has that cool nip in the air again a bit cold to sitting out side for the fist morning coffee.
Will go back and have a look on your early posts.

WOW RC planes have sure come a long way with that word  technology, quite a few different ones as well, checked out FMS and couldn't believe it seeing 72nd scale planes flying out of a blokes hands.

All I need to buy is a transmitter, they are cheap enough now as well, do most of them come with USB support .have seen iPhones have an app as well .

Hopping to build the bus wire plug panel for the third station module today, the hot days are well gone now we had 29  degrees yesterday, the way I have designed the panels makes it easy to connect the bus wires with ease, pics on my last post.

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This the sort of adaptor you get.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Flysky-1024-Simulator-USB-Cable-FS-SM100-for-FS-GT3B-GT3-GT2-GT2E-VRC-TH9B-X-FMS-/191966157110

If you get a tx that runs DSM2/DSMX you can also use the radio to control battery radio trains using Deltang rx/esc's

However before buying a radio you need to talk to whoever is going to teach you to find what mode they use so you get a compatible radio. This isn't the forum for that, go enquire at your local club before spending money.
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Robert that needs to be DSM2/DSMX.
As far as I know, the early DSM R/C such as the Spektrum Dx6 is not compatible.

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Yes, typo ,thanks for pointing out Tony. Fixed.

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Thanks Bob, Tony, a new hobby I can look into if my health stops me from setting my layout up, so long as I get a few years running trains..
Always being interested in RC planes.
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I know a bit about flying R/C. Well, rather, I did know a bit once upon a time.
Started flying in 1958 with home built single channel R/C. My Dad was a founding member of the Victorian MARCS Group.

Later we used Grundig multi channel tuned filter R/C. Not Digital Proportional. Just ON - OFF on each channel.
Retired after the 1965 Canberra Nats when I wrecked every model I had. To say the least, my Dad was not happy. He gave up R/C and concentrated on 3.5" Live Steam.  Found out later the Bonner servos were worn out from usage.

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Yes, it was a hit and miss approach in the early days of r/c, also very expensive. The galloping ghost systems seemed to give the best value for money before the Japanese PPM sets hit the market.
I repaired and built some vintage era equipment for owners.
Being a model train person first the planes were just a sideline. I only had control line and free flight initially but soon got tired of the unreliable little engines so started experimenting with electric power in the early 70's.
These days the r/c hobby is cheap as chips and reliable for the most part.

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Bob.
I will be passing through Glen Innes at the end of the month on my way to see my Webmaster in Armidale.

Would you care for a visitor for an hour or so on the 28th?

The next day I will be in Newcastle for the GRITH steam up over the weekend.

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No problem Tony, if you turn up at lunch I can feed you.
.....Now just got to read up on how to prepare a can of beans :>)

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Wish I was closer to meet both you guys (and eat some beans)!!!

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At least we can meet on here Bob.
Given you would be coming from so far away I might add some mince meat to the beans for the occasion mate. :>)

How's the track building going Bob?
Not much happening on the O gauge front here at the moment.

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Bob,

I built 6 switches and I'm currently taking a break from that. I have 2 passenger cars I'm working on and hope to post photos soon. I just got some old Champ decals to finish the Walthers coach I bought a few months back.

My daughter came home on the 7th from her 3 year stint in Sicily, all 3 (her, son-in-law, grandson) are staying with me until they find a house.

I used to work with an Aussie, Robin Wissing, who rented an office from the place I worked back in the early 70s. He was a cool guy. Last I heard he was down in Florida. He designed/ built large sheet metal shears when I knew him.

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Robert Comerford wrote: No problem Tony, if you turn up at lunch I can feed you.
.....Now just got to read up on how to prepare a can of beans :>;)

:old dude:Just remember to puncture the can before you cook it.  I've seen the results when someone forgot to do this - It "totalled" the pie heater in the crib room. And the smell was impressive as well. The cleaner got the hose in to clean the beans off the roof. 
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Pierce the can first ?? No wonder I always have trouble John....thanks for the tip!!

Look forward to seeing the coaches. You did well finding some decals. With all the extra household guests you must find modelling time is at a premium Bob.

A few of us have managed to sneak in over the years. Blame Errol Flynn... I think he started it :>)

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Errol Flynn, my favorite!
If his autobiography "My Wicked Wicked Ways" was accurate he must have been a real character.

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Once upon a time the O gauge used to live under the S gauge.



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Tony Walsham dropped by yesterday afternoon on his way to a garden railway meet in the Hunter Valley.
Unlike most visitors who see O scale as big, for Tony my trains are tiny.
A bit chilly sitting watching the trains outdoors as neither of us were really dressed for the occasion but at least the sun shone.

I didn't take any pictures as we soon went indoors for some warming coffee and chatted in the shed later out of the wind.

So here is one I took at an Ipswich exhibition some time ago.
It shows Ron Fox's depiction of Newcastle station in the 1950's.
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Hi Bob I be happy if my station turn out well like that one very nice indeed, haven't been to the Ipswich train show for years, I used to look after their  layout when they first opened Ipswich Workshop Museum while I was in the Ipswich club.
AMRA's train show next weekend wont be going, got too many appointments on this week and the following.
I have got some pics to post on the progress of my layout being busy, can't close in the bridge arches to I do the bus wiring.
Has it being cold where you are, here early morning 7 degrees warmer today, back into it tomorrow.
Tony. 
 

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BobC, come back please! this place is DOA without you.

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Bob I tried to PM you but you have it turned off.

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Bob, PM fixed.

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Bob, can't open any PMs, must have me locked out, email me if you can it's in my profile.

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Bob try the 'sea theme', I could not read your PM until I changed to that one.

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Hi Bob C, how is winter treating you cold enough to snow, we had zero this morning able to run  any trains soutside, the winter day s a nice here colest being 16 degrees.

I wait till it starts warming up before I venture outside to do any work on my layout which is coming along nicely completed th etrak and points on th fifth ront module all the front main line is connected now, wiring gang next.

Tony from cold RBP.
 




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