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 Posted: Mon Apr 24th, 2017 02:25 pm
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Gilpin snowplow?



Here she is, all loaded up with old motors for "ballast"...

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Okay, thanks. 5mm comes to about 3/16".  Got plenty of that size strip wood handy.

I've made plenty of engineering blunders on my 35n2 R/C critter.  A lot of cutting and patching.  But, I like to think that is how the shop foreman would have handled it; "It doesn't have to look pretty as long as it works."

Those Gilpin flatcars seem kinda narrow.



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As if by MAGIC ... The Gilpin Tram snowplough appears ! :thumb:

I do like Woodies :cb: model of that 'cute' lil' car.


" They had a TON of snow in Gilpin County "  :old dude:


So I guess it must have been quite effective at clearing the stuff. L:





Nice to see Woodie using his Grandpops ol' glass-plate camera for the pic ! :P

Herb 'll probably moan though !! :f:  ;)



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" A lot of cutting and patching.
But, I like to think that is how the shop foreman would have handled it.
It doesn't have to look pretty as long as it works."

" Those Gilpin flatcars seem kinda narrow."


Hi Michael :wave:


Sorry, perhaps the info I Posted, wasn't as helpful as it could be.

When I'm building my cars, I do indeed put myself in the shoes ( or boots ! ) of the 'shop foreman' !


When I said 'engineering blunders', what I meant was ...

... when I first got into car building, I had absolutely NO IDEA how 'real' cars were made.

My early experience was all gained from the NG&SLG in the late '80s.

Plus a very few imported U.S. books, which I picked up from my favorite store in London.


Yes indeed, the 5mm (ish)  timber I have used a lot of, is actually 3/16" !

Jones Models in Chiswick, had absolutely no metric wood for sale at all, back in the day.

I'm not sure the 'old school' dude who milled the timber, even knew what a millimeter was !


My 'shop foreman' tends to have about 4 or 5 standard sections of wood & Plastruct in 'the shop'.

Plastruct comes in 3.2mm  4.8mm  6.4mm  8.4mm

His lumber comes in 1/8"  3/16"  1/4"  3/8"  1/2"


My main car building timbers are either 3/16" for a 'normal car'.

Or perhaps 1/4" for a 'heavy duty car'.


The decking on 'normal cars' is either 1/32" or 1/16"

On the chunky 'disconnect style' cars, the decking is 1/8"


My steel-framed builds, using Plastruct, are mainly either  4.8mm  6.4mm  or  8.4mm

I have only used the 8.4mm on my HEAVY DUTY locomotive crane so far.

Another crane, which I haven't Posted pix of yet, uses main beams of 6.4mm Plastruct.


I hope that helps.


The Gilpin Tram flatcars ARE INDEED quite LONG and NARROW.

My 8-wheel flatcars, or underframes, are between 6' and 5' wide.

I also keep them SHORT at between 12' to 16' long, the longest I think is maybe 18'


The Gilpin Tram caboose, is a 'nicely sized' car in my opinion.

It was 14' long, 6' wide & had a lowish 6' & a tad body.

I have made an underframe for that caboose, but not yet done the car body.


Most importantly of all.

I just do & make these days, what I think LOOKS RIGHT !


Scale-rulers can be a great help sometimes ...

... but they can also be a great hindrance as well !


:moose:


Si.


The Plastruct isn't square BTW ... I tend to use the 'I' beams & shallow 'Channel' sections.

The 3/16" & 1/4" timber is sometimes square, but I use a lot of rectangular timber as well.

The darker mahogany timber, I have milled myself on a regular table-saw ! ... SCARY !! :shocked:




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Si, the Gilpin Tram was an industrial railway and needed narrow cars to (I guess)keep from toppling over when loaded or maybe the clearances were very tight. Keith Pashina would have the answer for sure. I personally like wider cars which accentuate the narrow gauge but I just go with what I know...which ain't much!

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Si,

Thanks for the information.  From your photos it looked like you might be using 1/2" square timbers.  I guess the camera really can lie!  I use .100" by .250" styrene for the main frame and build from there.

I've adopted a standard frame size of 13 feet 6 inches by 6 feet for my 35n2 cars.  I know the length might sound a little strange, but that's just the way things turned out.  I even made a jig so that the frame pieces would all get cut the same length.  If I remember the loading gauge of a car was something like 3 to 3.5 times the rail gauge, so 6 feet wide sounded about right.  If I remember correctly the SR&RL had passenger cars about 7 feet 6 inches wide, or thereabouts.

I've been using HO trucks to get that hunkered-down look.  Bachmann On30 trucks are kinda expensive, and I'll save those for a caboose and passenger car.  I really like Woodie's half-open/half-enclosed car.  Kinda like the 'California' style car used on the Pacific Electric or the cable cars in San Francisco.  Too bad no one makes any car kits in 35n2 scale.

Rummaging through some boxes in the garage I found a couple of Bachmann HO 8 wheel Brill trolleys.  Must of been when I had a small HO traction layout.  Thought I might turn them into some home-built scraps-from-behind-the-engine house type of rail cars.  The powered truck would be the lead wheels, and I would add a set of larger wheels on the back end.  R/C of course.  But, I have learned a lesson---get the donor R/C car first and then build the body around it.:bang:



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Hi Michael :wave:


You may well be interested in my current R.C. 'shopping list' !

I'm going to Post more about it, on the 'Dr. StrangeLiPo' Thread in the R.C. Forum.

This stuff MAY possibly work, with your existing transmitter.

But I have also found a VERY CHEAP, but 'high quality', transmitter/receiver combination as well.


Basically, I have sourced all the stuff needed to R.C. the actual loco, for a TOTALLY STELLA price ! :shocked:


R.C. Mini Receiver.

ESC Electronic Speed Controller.

DC-DC Step-Up 9-Volt Regulator.

LiPo 3.7-Volt 380mAh Battery.


Total price, including all P&P charges, of just £9.02p !!

Or in U.S.D, at $1.28c / U.K. Pound ...

... Total price, including all P&P charges, of just $11.54c !!

:cool:

Because they are all individual components, of a pretty small size, they should fit into any 1:35n2 loco build, no problem.


More  l  a  t  e  r  .  .  .


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Si.


I'll Post some stuff about the 1:35n2 trucks, wheels & couplers issue, as I see it, also.

Maybe you'll like what I have to say ... :)

... maybe you won't ! :f:


But one thing I can say is, I've spent a lot of time, looking, testing & head scratching getting there. :brill:

Most importantly the stuff looks good for 1:35n2 in my opinion. :thumb:


Your underframe 'std. size' length at 6' wide sounds IDEAL to me !

This is pretty much about what I would call, my 'medium size', more or less the same as the Gilpin Tram caboose

From that 'medium' size, a 'small' & 'large' car, can easily be sized as well.


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Some more 'vintage' photos of Woodies nice Gilpin Tram snow plough, which I found on Freerails !

Herb will enjoy the glorious Technicolor(TM) film-stock director Cecil B. DeWoodie used for these ! ;)








:bg:  I gotta make me one of these lil' darlings !

" Just in case the weather turns bad sonny ! " :old dude:





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Si, Tom Bell (tebee) has some very nice 1:35n2 GILPIN TRUCK FRAMES available from SHAPEWAYS. They are also available in On30...the 35n2 frames are made to handle Bachmann On30 wheelsets...how cool is that? Couplers? I would use KADEE On3 couplers or other auto types...unless you want to be PROTOTYPICALLY EXACT and use links & pins...the Gilpin & SCPA&M used them!

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Si,

I am VERY interested in your R/C shopping list.  I'll have to check out your Dr. Strangelove thread.  A list of items would be very helpful for me, and I'm sure for others as well.  You already know the hardest part about R/C is acquiring the required parts to make everything work, and at a reasonable (cheap) price.  The 1:10 scale race car I used worked fine, the board was just too big.


Woodie,

Since I'm not modeling any specific railroad I figured I can get away with just about anything.  I use HO trucks and Kadee HO couplers since they are readily available and can be had cheap.  I can usually nail down some good deals at train shows.  Still need a name for my planned road, maybe the Cheap & Narrow Railway?



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" Tom Bell (tebee) has some very nice 1:35n2 GILPIN TRUCK FRAMES available from SHAPEWAYS.

the 35n2 frames are made to handle Bachmann On30 wheelsets."



Howdy Woodie :cb:



Toms 1:35n2 Gilpin Tram trucks are very nice indeed !

How cool is that ? ... VERY COOL ! :cool:





I bought a couple of pairs from Shapeways.

One pair for my Gilpin Caboose underframe, which look very good on it.









The second pair is for an attempt at a Gilpin phase-1 ore-car ...

... when I get a round tuit.





It's a bit difficult to get 'Bachmann' On30 wheelsets in Britain.

But the above ^^ 'Kadee' On30 D&RGW 'Griffin' types are easily available for me ...

... as are 'Hornby' 8-spoke R8098 wheelsets, or their R8096 solid disc ones.





All the above 3 types have 1/2' diameter wheels & fit either Toms 3D-printed, or most On30 trucks fine.

The 1/2" diameter wheels are perfect for 1:35n2 & look just right.



Couplers for me were a tricky 50/50 choice between 'link n pins' & 3/4 size knuckles.

In the end, I decided to go for the knuckle couplers.

I have Kadee couplers here, in both On3 & regular O sizes.

In my opinion, neither look good in 1:35n2.


The On3 couplers, look too small & the regular O couplers, look too big.

I spent WAY TOO LONG trying to persuade myself that one or the other was OK.

That's because I was 'trying to kid myself' ... Not a good thing to do, with such an important decision.


After further research, I came across the 'San Juan Car Co.' Evolution-couplers, designed for On3.

They were designed in response to the fact, that Kadee On3 couplers are too small, and don't look that good.

I have to say that the 'Evolution' couplers are PERFECT for 1:35n2, as well as 1:48 3ft narrow gauge.





In 1:35n2 they represent very well, a 3/4 size knuckle coupler, typical of many smaller narrow gauge railroads.

( before anyone asks ! ... The coupler below, does look a bit BIGGER than it REALLY is, due to the cameras wide-angle lens !! )





They aint expensive, they are easy to fit & they work BRILLIANTLY !

Most important of all, they look FANTASTIC !

The knuckle-spring is INSIDE the coupler-body & cannot be either seen or lost also.

Clever stuff !



:moose:



Si.


I just added, further up ^^ the Page, a couple more photos of Woodies nice Gilpin Tram snow plough, which I found here on Freerails ...

... & the drawing from the ol' C&S engineers of the real 1:1 deal ! ... enjoy !!


Photos of Toms trucks from Shapeways are on other 'puter ... Maybe   l  a  t  e  r  .  .  .

Here's the 3D 'render' from Shapeways for now.

STELLA job Tom !! :cool:





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Monochrome fever has temporarily taken over on Mysterious Moose Mountain.

Dozey Dmitry, of late minus the excess sprues ...

... ponders whether he may have to move from his perch, for a new tankcar build ?




Sorry Herb ! ... The developers sent the negs. back all scratched & in MONO ! ;)

I'll probably get complaints from Doug about the next one as well. :shocked:

Oh well ... at least the photographers wide-angle lens stayed in the gadget-bag today !! :P





More from Mysterious :moose: Mountain . . .

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