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" Mmm...

...I wonder if this phony switch stand has anything to do with the missing gold shipments on the Moose Mountain line ?



I better get back to the Mystery Machine and tell Shag & Scoobs ! "

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Oh No - not the old "missing gold shipments" story again !

Looks like Pt II will be at about the same script level as Pt I, thankfully !.

Cheers,                    Michael

-let's see if THIS post arrives.

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DAMN IT ! ... thinks Wolfgang.
Where the hell is Hank Hatchet when you need him ?
That good fer nutink sidewinder is NEVER to be found !

Actually Hank Hatchet, the car-shop guy, is where he's ALWAYS to be found...
...in the back room of the Gold Nugget Saloon, drinkin' and playin' cards !!
or
Later in the day, or very early the next morning, depending on how things roll that night...
...in one of the half-dozen 6x4 back rooms of the Sheriffs Office !!

The railroad uses genuineee U.S equipment (2nd hand, of course) from Bastardmann PA...
...& perfectly detailed, authentically scaled from railroad blueprints, engines straight outta Compton.
They also run quite a lot of 2nd hand rusty ol' crap imported from Blightey.

Looks like Wolfgang is gonna have to check out the 3 new ore-cars from across the pond himself.
The penny-pinching M.M.M management bought the lot for £0.99p !
The cross Atlantic shipping cost of £2.90p had the M.M.M accountants burning the midnight oil though.



Wolfgang finds an ancient builders-plate on the car body.
Mmm...
Can't quite make it out.
It either says, Tri-ang R116 England, or Salada Wagon Works.
& there's a date.
1867 ? or, no, 1967 !
That can't be right thinks Wolfgang, it's the 31st of December 1939...
...The Swingin' '60s haven't happened yet !

There's something fishy goin' on here...

...then Wolfgang spots the STANCHION RIVETS ! ...

... & there's some MISSING !! :shocked:

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Damn strange place, that Moose Mt.

Phreddy Photog doesn't  seem to be able to get the sun behind him.

Is he hiding something?

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The mysterious new ore-car...
...was spotted as part of a daily mixed-train...
...as far back as 1956...
...passing over a mainline by bridge.



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" Phreddy Photog doesn't seem to be able to get the sun behind him. Is he hiding something? "



That's one smart cigar-smoking dawg !

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Hi Si,
That blue hopper wagon predates my orange Triang hopper, but look like it has the same dumping gear installed in the bottom of the hopper. So my orange hopper may have had up to 10 years of product development before I got to play with mine many years ago :bg:

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Si, now you got the "big head" with a PART DEUCE! I want one! (part 2, not a big head)
And send me one of them ore wagons. I don't have any Tri-Ang cars, one would make my collection complete.

And I wonder, where's Charlie Lix?
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" I wonder, where's Charlie Lix? "

Howdy Woodie :cb:

Last I knew, Charley was doing the photos for his new article...

...' The Secret Narrow Gauge Lines Near Area-51 Nevada '

L: ... :us:

I was checking out one of Charleys pre-publication photos the other day, as it happens.
Charley owes me one, so I figure his lawyers 'll be OK on the copyright.



This track photo was shot in Nevada, I think, just before Charley went AWOL.

Kinda looks the same proportions, as how PECO 'Crazy-Track' looks in 1:35 scale.

Is this a 2ft track, or 18" ??

???

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Charley still post over on the 78 forum. Building his 1:1 railroad. I wish he would come post here again. He has been building a new critter out of lawnmower parts and such.
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Hi Stephen.

Yeah I did look to see how Charleys 1:1 line was doing over there at 7/8ths.
But I couldn't seem to find where he was posting it ??

:moose:

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Just worked out why I haven't been able to check on Chas.
I'm not a member at 7/8ths, so they don't let you in for a look see.
Has anyone got one of those 'special-links' that sneaks you in there ??

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Although I've been messing about with a 1:35 adobe building lately...
...I do tend to swap between models quite a bit, depending on how ideas are going.

The M.M.M mobile-crane ... or ' Si.Hoist ' as they say in Texas...
...was up for a bit of progress.

New Plastruct H T L etc. has arrived, so a metal-style underframe can be built.
The trucks for it had been a sticking point for me.
I had not found ones that looked right until a couple of days ago.
The underframe can now be designed & built.

:moose:

Whooops ... Too many late nights ... I can't find the crane pix.



Here's a top view of the adobe building instead, I gotta thicken up the walls a tad methinks !
The neighbours are Zed Zepellin fans !!
Crane pix tomorrow ...

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The Airfix locomotive crane kit I'm bashing, came with these trucks.
I've swopped out the wheels here, for some Hornby R8098 spoked ones.
The trucks are kinda interesting & different to others I have.
They are HO & rather small for a 1:35n2 'Si.Hoist' though.

The new trucks I got the other day are from, yep, you guessed it...
...an old Tri-ang rolling-stock item from the swingin' sixties.
A new type of truck that I had not had any of previously.

These ones that came with the Airfix model are probably good for something...
...I just haven't figured out what yet !



Maybe a couple of small push-cars, or a one off 'odd purpose' car ??
Mmm...

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I think they look fine even for 1:35. Pretty neat frames look very "industrial" and heavy duty. Man, you got the bug for cranes, don't you??!!

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" Man, you got the bug for cranes, don't you??!! "


Howdy Woodie :cb:

Weeell ... You could be RIGHT !

I was gonna save this for later.
My jumbled up photo stream is confusing enough already.
But there's no time like the PRESENT for a good crane pic. !!



NEW ! ... It says

54 years ago, back in 1962, it was indeed the very latest maintenance must have !

I forked out some serious lolly last week for my MIB (mashed in bits) example.
Only the best for this operation !!
About 2 beers, at todays prices.

Some photos of the overworked Wolfy checking her out, to follow of course.
I think she has a good jib.

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Yes I know Michael ... the rail looks a bit over scale :P

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Hi Si (sorry, Lord Si of Digital Derailment)

Oversize ??  Looks like that stuff they've been laying down for the TransEuropean High Speed network, ugly as hell & all set in concrete.

Interesting photo you posted above (Post No. 11).  Purely as a semi-informed guess by a Brit,  possibly somewhere near Virginia City or Carson River, NV - judging by the scenery & surface geology.
Not less than 24" I reckon - or one of those 'intermediate' mining gauges around 26" - 28". Looks to have been well laid & graded, except for too few spikes on an outside curve - but I can see a welded steel tie. Judging by the state of the ties & railhead this track may have been relaid not too many years ago. Somebody did a good job.

Regards,            Michael

Ps: Aha, so someone else's Gallery is now also in random order, maybe everybody's is ?

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" That blue hopper wagon predates my orange Triang hopper, but look like it has the same dumping gear installed in the bottom of the hopper.
So my orange hopper may have had up to 10 years of product development before I got to play with mine many years ago "

Hi John.

I think you're more or less right.
The blue ore-car on the previous page <<< is the very first type Tri-ang made in 1956.
It does look like it might have the operating-doors in my photo.
But in fact it doesn't, that indeed came a few years later.

I've now got 3 different colours of the R111 drop-bottom ore-car.
I doesn't matter of course, they'll all get sprayed black to start with anyhow.
But the history is kinda interesting.

1st produced was in 'Battlespace' Green, I think before Tri-ang thought up 'Battlespace'.
2nd produced was in Orange, like yours.
3rd produced was in Red, all having the new style, closed-loop couplers.

The R111 car is slightly rare in the U.K maybe because it just doesn't match a U.K prototype, prices are reasonable.
I managed to score about a dozen though, over the course of 6 months, in a mix of colours.
Although the other more U.K looking ore-cars were clearly sold in greater numbers here...
...they seem to be very rare & go for quite a high price, probably to U.K vintage train fans.

:moose:

Si.

I mostly bought the blue ore-car & 2 others for their trucks.



They had the very earliest pattern of 'Transcontinental' truck, used as well on tenders & cabeese.
All the drop-bottom ore-cars have the latter, more conventional looking, arch-bars.

Wolfy looks a bit smaller than he really is, due to the slightly wide-angle camera-lens.
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Hi Si,
I'm sure my orange one pre-dated my searchlight car- I had the first version of the searchlight car that was lettered for NATO rather than Battleforce)

I also had the single missile launcher with the red missile and the yellow launcher mounted on a grey bogie flatcar that was earlier than both of the above.(or I did until I accidentally trod on the flatcar and snapped it in two)

When I lost the rubber tip for the missile, an expired .303 bullet casing made a far more destructive missile - But that's another story from my legendary past ;)

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Sorry to rattle your toy boxes boys but I wasn't aware that anything by Triang "..matched a UK prototype..".

Those 2 trucks dwarfing Wolfgang would make ideal frames for smelter cupola cars or slag side tippers.

Regards,          Michael

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Hi Michael

The nay sayers have rattled my box of Tri-ang so much, the rivets have come loose !!

Slagging Tri-ang was more popular at my old train club, than moaning about the Mrs. !!

Wolfgang is my 'dimensionally stable' 2 yard-stick.
What's that in E.U speak ? ... The width of an 'official' E.U approved cucumber.

:moose:

Si.

Got any ideas what I could use these for ?



I can swop the spokes for discs.

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" What's the fire-extinguisher for mate ? " said Dave :cool: the postman.

" I was expecting my August Mastercard bill " I said, looking at Daves smoking Model-T wheel arches.

Dave handed over my package from Bettys Home Bakery ... & was GONE in a FLASH !

High quality.
Non splintering.
Safe for denture wearers.
Obviously a top quality product from the Sumtingwong Chinese toffee apple stick co.

You might not know that the universal global standard for toffee apple sticks is precisely 5x5x140mm
Could be just what I need.



Wolfgang splits the Sumtingwong lumber, with his mini hacksaw...
...& uses the new Tri-ang R127 Crane to lift some rail into place.

Mmm...

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Si,

Those white, plate frame trucks + spoke wheels are very reminiscent of late C19th/early C20th 'heavy load bogies' used on British outline wagons carrying heavy steel plate or castings etc.

That SumTingWong Follest Plloducts stuff looks great for n35:1, = 6 7/8" x 6 7/8".
Damn, just a tad too big for On30 D&RGW NG.

What gauge is the rail lying on the new ties, looks fairly hefty ?.

Regards,               Michael


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Hi Michael.

The rail is bog standard PECO Code-100 from some old HO track I had.
Same stuff as used on their 16.5mm gauge 'crazy track'.
The wide-angle camera-lens, is again, making it look bigger than it really is.

I am finding 'the look' of the Code-83 HO I have, a bit small for some reason.
Of course painting/rusting & bedding in, I think, generally makes track/rail look smaller.
You could be right about your Code-82, with the chunkier railhead, being an in between option.
Mmm... I don't have any of it to see though.

I'd never had any 'crazy track' to check out before.
So I got a yard the other week, & it looks very acceptable for 1:35n2 I think.
See adobe building photo on previous <<< page, Wolfgang, trucks & track.

I am scribbling some ideas for a kinda 'hill climb' board.
It was originally a plan I made for a routed slotcar track.

I am thinking If I make this, to use the 'crazy track' on the difficult curves/grade.
Then on maybe 1 or 2 other boards, hand lay switches for yard/spurs etc.

I have been thinking too, about the operations side of things.
Loading/unloading of the drop-bottom cars, being part of it.

I think a good plan is evolving.
It's just not an overnight job.

:moose:

Si.

The toffee apple sticks are OK.
But I may use them for bridge ties/stringers.
& use smaller 5x3 for regular ties.
'crazy track' ties are about 4.5x2.5mm.

Just experimenting on 'the look' really.

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Here are a couple of very rough thumbnails I drew of the general idea.



There are mountain :moose: on the loose !!

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Hi Si,

IMO you are right to concentrate on "the look", if not correct the whole damn model will never satisfy.

C. 83 is a real No No - only suitable for c. 1880's - 1910's lightweight stuff even in On30 48:1, let alone 35:1. During some previous posts I think I suggested you might even consider C.100 - depending on what loco/car axle weights you had in mind.

I've been thinking of maybe going even heavier (C.100) for the Chavez through roads.
Comparing photos of the 'real thing' to close ups of my K Mikados on C.82, even C.82 looks a bit light. I might make up a trial foot or so in C.100 & pose a loco on it.
I haven't found that painting alters the apparent rail weight much.

I did you a table of railhead widths, lbs/yard & permitted axle loads about a year ago, but can't remember whose thread it was on.

What happens at each end of the 'hill climb' ?

Regards,             Michael

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" What happens at each end of the 'hill climb' ? "

Hi Michael.

Yeah ... Just messing with some sketches.
Didn't draw any switches in yet.
Not entirely sure what I'm aiming for either.

I think I'm an ACE ! at penning slotcar tracks...
...but railroads seem much harder somehow !
It did take me 10 years of graft to ACE ! race tracks BTW !
Some infidels don't like my slotcar trackplans either !!

At the 'T' end-stop, there would be 1 switch & a mine.
Empties in, full cars out & maybe some kind of small log-dump area.

The line weaves it's way down across various fills & bridges etc.
Pretty steep around 10% grades, as shallow as is possible to get the clearance needed.
It is of course highly compressed.
Perhaps too whimsical ?

At bottom-left, it maybe goes to another board.
Theme might be a turntable/enginehouse/yard type thing.

At bottom-right, a switch would go to a 2nd similar board.
Maybe edge of town & rundown railroad offices.

The hillclimb is perhaps 24" wide & would only allow Porter & critters to service the mine.
No Shay on this part of the railroad sadly, just can't deal with the 36" width needed for it.

I would like to start 1 board, without having to give detailed thought to the others.
They would come as needed, essentially an extendable shelf-layout.

:moose:

Si.

I'm not in a rush to start banging up benchwork.
But it would be nice to have some kind of scenic project underway.
It is very different, to all the measuring & technical stuff of car & building models.
Lighter on my couple of dozen brain-cells !!

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Si, now that you have a layout designed and started, get to work. Before long, you will have something running and it will all come together.
Now, I like the code 83 rail I use, maybe because it is what I have always used for my 1:35 layouts and On30 also. Hell, I just like small rail spiked close together holding up punky little teakettles and cars.
Oh well, I have never been a devotee of heavy narrow gauge and class a operations. It's funky for me!

Have fun and run a train...today!
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... I just LOVE the smell of DIESEL ! "



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I'm supposed to be laying mud bricks at the moment...
...but the pull of car building keeps me suitably diverted !

I started 2 of these 4-wheel tank cars a while back.
They went on the back-burner for a bit, due to coupler height issues.

Got them both out today, to have a look at making the tank support pieces.
You guessed it, the tank is from a swingin' '60s Tri-ang product !!



Now standing on the new PECO 'crazy-track' the proportions look very different somehow.
I'm liking these lil' tankers !!

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Cool little tank. I do see rivets on the "wrapper"...have you counted them all?
Yes, that Peco track does have a nice look for 35n2, it looks rather chunky for On30 anyway.

BTW, will you include "ducK tape" on the completed model to hold the ends on? LOL

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" I do see rivets on the "wrapper"...have you counted them all? "

Howdy Woodie :cb:

I did try
but then the doorbell !
You know how it is, had to start again 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6


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Can someone have a go at these for me
eyes a bit blurry
gone for a coffee !

:moose:

Si.

" Before long, you will have something running and it will all come together. "

Thanks for the encouragement Woodie.
If I had any idea what I was aiming for, it would help !
I'm getting there, s l o w l y .

Meantime rolling-stock & buildings etc. are time well spent.

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Wolfgang nearly 'cements' his hand to one of the new Mysterious Moose Mountain walls.
Gotta be careful with that gooy MEK mortar !



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'MiniArt' produce a lot of figures, vehicles & buildings in 1:35 scale.
Their buildings are mostly bombed to bits vignettes, depicting parts of Europe, during that little dust-up back in the '40s.
Not really much use to most model railroaders.
However, there are 1 or 2 items from the buildings series that caught my attention.



These wall sections are from a kit called 'Farm Entrance With Gate', or something like that.
Rather than the full on hit by howitzer look, these wall sections just have an appealing tumble-down look about them.
I'm not exactly sure what I will do with them yet, but it's nice to have a few chunks of bricks & mortar to give my figures and car-builds a temporary setting.
I scored this small 'MiniArt' kit, to check out the vacuum-formed technique they use for their entire range.

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I like track plan. I've been trying to come up with something along the same lines but with a continuous loop to watch the train wind around. Been thinking of hidden reverse loops. With r/c there's no crazy wiring.
Maybe a light spring holding the points to one side. Make the loop automatic. Following with interest.

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" I like track plan. I've been trying to come up with something along the same lines but with a continuous loop to watch the train wind around. Been thinking of hidden reverse loops. With r/c there's no crazy wiring.
Maybe a light spring holding the points to one side. Make the loop automatic. Following with interest. "


Hi Stephen.

I think hidden (or non-hidden) reverse-loops are an exellent idea ! :thumb:
It's possible to gain more height in the given space, whilst still having continuous running.
A closed-loop obviously means 1/2 your track is going UP and 1/2 going DOWN.

You might be able to make a switch with a small-gap, sans moving-points.
The loco would/should follow the 'straight' path on the way into the loop & exit via the curved leg of the switch (wyes could be confusing !!).

Slotcar 'hillclimbs' pretty much all use reversing-loops at top/bottom.
Turning a slotcar on a 'dinner-plate' is not a problem either.

A scheme for the polarity switching, without R.C, is for the slotcars guide-blade to run over a light-action lever-arm micro-switch beneath the slot.
Whilst the slotcar is in the 'loop' the polarity to the rest of the track is swopped.
The guide-blade activated micro-switch operates a simple 'latching-relay'.
With a train, a magnetic reed-switch, I.R. beam, or suchlike easily does the same polarity swop.
R.C boys of course, need not apply !!

The rough-sketches on the previous <<< Page, were VERY quick thumbnails !
The problem for me in 1:35n2, is that I need about 4" of clearance, before the tracks can cross-over.
In 2'x4' I don't think those configurations would work, grades would be crazy !!
They MIGHT just about work in HO On30 or if you have a 'low' mining loco though.

I'm gonna work on 'the looping' a bit more.
My 'top secret method' is to just keep drawing different loops until I see the optimum topology.



More Loony-Loop-Layouts to follow .................................  :Crazy:

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Si, remember that "less is more"...But then, I should talk (or write).

Woodrow

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Zen-Master of the 'industrial-apocalypse look' speaks


" less is more "


Hong-ching Woodie :cb:

I am only in year 7 of my gravel raking classes.
I am honoured by your philosophy.
Am trying to catch more re-runs of 'Kung Fu' on the tube as well.

:old dude:

Si.

I have moddified the trackplan with more care & attention paid to detail.



L:

" Success is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm " - Winston Churchill

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Well, Grasshopper, look beyond the reality and into the crux of the biscuit.

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W C Greene wrote:, look beyond the reality and into the crux of the biscuit.

Steady on chaps, I thought I was the one taking the hallucinogenic opiates, not you lot !

How would a true Zen Master get rid of all the insects wiggling on the floor around me ? A gravel rake would do I guess.

Damn, forgot my name. Regards.

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W C Greene wrote:
Well, Grasshopper, look beyond the reality and into the crux of the biscuit.

Grasshoppers like funny shaped biscuits?? News to me...

Zen Masters and stuff... This is getting way too metaphysical.

Bring on the bashed Triang. :P

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Si,

A word of advice if I may. Listen to those Zen Masters of layout design, Master Greene & Master Herb -

"Less really is more".

I didn't, 'get' this at first but they are so right - look at the old outdoor SCPA&M pix - look at the ratio/footprint of rail trackage to scenic diversionary detail.
Also the railroad must have a plausible history & reason for being.

35:1 will soon eat up all the space on a smaller board size, space better used to create atmosphere. mines, depots etc.

Don't forget to allow for bridge deck depths & loco chimney heights, it not just a matter of measuring railhead height to railhead height; 4" IMO is really tight at 35:1.

Yes John, 'bashed' is the correct use of Triangle.

Follow Ford Prefect into the perpetual spiral railroad universe, but keep it simple.

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Hi Marvin

Don't worry, who needs one anyway.
The voodoo-doll I stick rail-spikes into...
...represents EVERYONE who slags off Tri-ang !

' What's Goin On ? '
Never mind that...
...you'll be out of Hospital soon & won't remember a thing !

( don't forget the hundred-quid you owe me though ! )

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Hi John

I can always rely on a stalwart Tri-ang man to ask for the best there is !

No voodoo rail-spikes for John !
He's the ONLY known person on Earth...
...to have WORN OUT a set of Tri-angs finest solid-steel locomotive 'Growler-Wheels' !!
SAVAGE !!

John, I've actually got a load more Tri-ang stuff to Post yet.
But.
For now, how about the next best thing !
It's back to the swingin' '60s yet again...

...& now for my latest 'Trix'(TM) !



A lil' weekend flutter on eBay & Dave :cool: the postman arrived with this riveting depressed-flatcar !
( it'll probably cheer up later though )

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Si, that old Tri Ang HO stuff was so chunky and klunky that it seems to pass for 1:35 or 1:48. It seems very hard to get over here in the colonies...a shame that Tyco and funky old Bachmann (long before Spectrum) were not made to a different scale, then we would use them. Wait...I DID use 2 Bachmann Thomas "Percy" mechanisms for my American Garrett. Damn things run great, especially on r/c!

Open the pod bay doors Hal.....

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" I'm sorry Woodie I can't do that "

" It can only be attributable to human error "



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" Si, that old Tri-ang HO stuff was so chunky and klunky that it seems to pass for 1:35 "

Howdy Woodie :cb:

Just pulled out HALs charger-plug...
...so 'normal' service is now resumed.
If Herb had a HAL 9000 on his wall...
...I guess by now it would have a .380 hole in the lens !!

Woodie, quite a few '60s Tri-ang parts are working really well here for 1:35n2
Their trucks for my car scratchbuilds, are looking just 'right'.
The big riveted-tanks in HO, look like clunky-funky size in 1:35
With the odd new brake-wheel, decking & couplers; the ore-cars will be great as well.

The best part about mixing scratchbuilding with 'bashed' Tri-ang is...
...IT'S FUN !!

Some of the more unusual Tri-ang items can cost a quid or two...
...but mostly, I'm picking up fantastically made diecast pieces, for peanuts !!
If it's 'mint' or 'boxed', is no concern for M.M.M

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Si.

I just have to avoid the 'silly' stuff !!
I do like it though !!
Your wallet might EXPLODE ! if you want to buy one of these.
Still cheaper than Bachmann in the U.K though.



Shipment of HAL 9000 computers SABOTAGED on the way to Mysterious Moose Mountain.

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Hank Hatchet has now had a bit of a chance to 'play' with the new depressed-flatcar.

The Mysterious Moose Mountain documentalist, Phreddy Photog, was careful as usual, with his cropping, when the new riveted-metal car arrived at the car-shop.
BUFFERS !! have been known to attract comment from some quarters !
Sometimes all four at once !!

Hank Hatchet, the car-shop guy had a plan up his sleeve though, for those cast-iron carbuncles...
...along with a few 'extra' Aces, from last nights 'friendly' card game at the Gold Nugget Saloon !!

Sans it's BUFFERS, some kind of adapting of the diecast-underframe can be worked out.
The San Juan Car Company knuckle-couplers, need securing to the ends.
As it stands, the ride-height requires some work also.
The Trix-Twin standard-trucks are too high & aren't giving the car that 'extra-low' look we are after.

Mysterious Moose Mountains flatcar actually came with quite a nice 'marine-boiler load'...
...made from moulded-ends & embossed-rivet tin-plate wrapper.
I quite like the alternate cable-drum load as well.
Erith, in Kent, is just a few miles from my home !

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The MiniArt farm wall sections are s l o w l y coming together.

As usual, the 'styrene-warp' factor is an issue...
...the engines can nay take it Captain !



After reinforcing the centres & edges of the 2 vacuum formed halves...
...see previous <<< Page...
...clamping with WEAK wooden clothes-pegs & MEKing the joints is working OK.

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Si, it'll only be "depressed" after you & Wolfie have finished with it - it's a WELL trolley/car etc. at the moment.

Erith sounds familiar, or maybe Footscray. Wasn't that the home of Triang-Rovex?.

I also have memories of lugging heavy old 50s/60s stage audio gear (amps or cabs ?)up steep stairs to various dubious "Dance-Halls"). Some of this stuff had a makers name plate with a similar addresa (Vox, RS, Peavey ??).

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Hi Michael.

Indeed !
The VOX Continental & VOX AC30 were both made at various locations around Erith & Dartford.
VOXs R&D Dept. occupied the top floor of the Erith works...
...until a FIRE destroyed it during the '60s !
Vacuum tubes huh !



Here's West Street, Erith in the '50s
Nordenfeldt Road leading to the VOX/Burndept works, is on the left, next to the corner shop selling the Wills Capstans !

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Wow, lovely photo Si. A rubber tyred trolley-bus. The Walsall system (where I lived) held on into the early 60s, I have fond memories (top deck, Sat night, past the 'giggle band') (do I need to explain ?).

All the 'kids' rave about the old gear, now in repro at daft prices. Truth is the AC 20s & 30s were damn awful. If you managed to get them to light up at all, you left them on all gig long incl break time; chances of firing them up again were minimal once hot. Maybe the silver foil valve 'hats' didn't help but we had 'overdrive distortion' yearsahead of the foot-pedal boys.

Cheers, Michael (once nearly famous in my own lifetime)

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" Do I need to explain ? "

Hi Michael.

No you don't, it's probably best left to the imagination.


" All the 'kids' rave about the old gear, now in repro at daft prices "

6 months in a Borstal would fix that.

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Si.

I have actually got some new trackplans & train pix. to put up.
But I thought this letter might amuse you !



Wolfgang will be back though !!
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Interesting; quite an early date for such a circuit. I think the U.S. West Coast folk started messing with that awful sound 'effect' approx. late 60s. Personally I think every Wah Wah should be thrown in the trash immediately after purchase.

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What ... Even Jimis ?



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The drawing above ^^^ was done for a slotcar 'hillclimb' track.

Size of the trackplan is 6' x 2.5'
The numbers are elevations in Inches.

It took some time to get what I think is the 'optimum' configuration of looping.
The other concerns were, minimal tunnels & track being as visible as possible.

This design has inspired me to try some slightly simplified & smaller 4' x 2' versions for trains.
More soon ...

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On the left are what look like switches...
...and they are !
Slotcar switches.

The idea was to have 2 extension pieces, the size of dinner-plates for the cars to turn on top & bottom.
The polarity of the main track can be reversed by a track-mounted switch, as the car is driving the loop.
The switch swops over a latching-relay, changing the main-track polarity.

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Having made the foundation of an engine-house a while ago...
...I have also now designed & sized a small turntable for a yard.

I wanted riveted-girder sides for the turntable.
I found the right parts eventually, after a bit of a search.
The Wills 'vari-girder' kit, makes the perfect size & length.



This is another section 'in progress'.
Until I know the 'footprint' of the buildings...
...I can't realistically lay any track.
There is no way they can be added as an after thought.

We gettin' there !!

s l o w l y

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Si.

This is helping to work out the best benchwork sizes as well.
The track geometry is really specific.
The only way to really know if it's working, is a scale drawing.
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This is another 'section' I have been drawing.
I posted this trackplan a while back, but here it is again.

It is for a gold-mine & associated buildings.

I haven't done an acurate scale-drawing for this yet.
However a lot of different formats were tried & this is the best so far.



The large circle bottom-left is the mines spoil-dump.
Could be a nice feature, perhaps not big enough though.
Might be a dump of B-grade ore though.

An enginehouse is bottom-right.
The circle nearby is a yard-crane.
Above that could be a water-tower & loco fueling.
The mine itself is top-centre.
At the front is a water pit.
Mmm...

It is, like the last section, intended for a space of 4'x2'

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Si,

Grasshopper is now learning less is more; above 2 figs. much better than Post No. 56.

Now I'm not rivet counting mine spoil heap shapes but :

Hard rock waste dumps are normally fan shaped or elongated rectangular - as the tipping track is advanced across a flat topped pile and using end or side tipping wagons. Conical heaps are typical of soft rock coal mines where a conveyor or aerial ropeway dumps stuff at the apex of a 360 deg cone.

Maybe I should get out more ? (I would if I could)

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" Now I'm not rivet counting mine spoil heap shapes but :
Hard rock waste dumps are normally fan shaped or elongated rectangular
as the tipping track is advanced across a flat topped pile and using end or side tipping wagons.
Conical heaps are typical of soft rock coal mines where a conveyor or aerial ropeway dumps stuff at the apex of a 360 deg cone."


Hi Michael :cb:

Thanks !
Your job as M.M.M realism-consultant is secure.

I just gaze at photos in my Gilpin book...
...& wonder if a cardboard cone with loads of crap from the garden glued to it might work ??

I was looking at some mines in Gilpin County...
...some of the waste rock dumps are of course ENORMOUS !

And yes, I know what you mean about the fan-shape & elongated, thanks for the reminder.
Conveyor-belt dumped gravel-piles in Kent, are probably what I was thinking of as well.

Perhaps this is why I can't recall ever seeing them modeled.
It's probably been tried, but to scale ? you'd need a couple of 8'x4's to do it !

My 'back-up' plan was a B-grade ore pile, with one of my dozer-kits, pushing some about !

L:

" Maybe I should get out more ? (I would if I could) "

Society is safe, for the time being at least !!

;)

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I have wanted to include a bridge in a trackplan section for a while now.
I do like the old wooden trestles very much.
By the late '30s though, I figure most would have been replaced with steel.
I can still use the odd small-trestle perhaps somewhere or other.

I have had some difficulty in finding a suitable steel bridge kit.
I was after a through girder truss bridge, of a fairly impressive size.
Of course there is nothing available in 1:35 scale, so a large HO one is what I needed.
I kept on looking though, just couldn't find what I wanted.

Anyway, the other day I found just what I wanted.
The price was good on eBay, for what is normally a pretty costly kit.
So didn't hang about, ROW engineers were consulted about sizes etc.
10mins later we ordered some serious steel !!



Michael, this is the one I told you about, it arrived the other day.
Here's one of the 'pack shots' of what it looks like.
The span is 450mm, which in 1:35 scale, is a tad over 50-feet.
I checked out the parts, WOW what a FANTASTIC kit, gonna be fun !!

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Runner up in the Mysterious Moose Mountain truss girder bridge stakes, was this lil' number !



An all diecast OO scale bridge, made in England, from the days of way back when !

I don't think it has the loading-gauge clearance I need.
It's kinda a bit 'clunky' as well.
But I do love it !!

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Another runner up, from the Mysterious Moose Mountain bridge of the month competition.



Much smaller than the one chosen.
Not enough clearance for 1:35n2

Nice nostalgic box-art though !!

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:old dude: . . .  " ZEROLENE ! "




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Cool tanker, I have one of those also. Don't overlook those older HO bridges, they might work well for an old auto bridge in 1:35.
Now, get to work....

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First bridge nice, but looks a tad heavy girders to my eye (bridging the cornea)

Third one looks pretty good for the type railroad you are building.

Second picture--are you f*****g kidding???--and ignoring the color even. Shame that they didn't mold it in pink plastic!

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Another option may be a TRIANG truss bridge, length of 15 inch's. wood floor. Short on the rivet detail though.
My last truss bridge project, used two Walther's single track HO kits, lengthened to 33 inch's and widened for my On30 layout. I install 4 brass channel's in upper and lower chords to strengthen. Deflection of .003 of an inch with two OF 2-8-0s on bridge.

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" I install 4 brass channel's in upper and lower chords to strengthen "

Hi Ken :wave:

The truss girder bridge is a done deal at last ( I hope ! )
It's nice to know finally, what the 'footprint' will be, for incorporating into a trackplan.
I'm not going to build it right away, too many other things to spend my model making time on.
But I have given the kit a good looking over, regarding assembly, size, clearances & possible strengthening.

The main bridge profiles are made up from 2 layers each side, with girder sections between them.
Very nice, it gives the truss a highly open & realistic look.
The construction is in fact, exactly like the prototype.
I think/hope it could be quite strong once assembled.

The kit is designed specificaly for Marklin-C sectional-track.
I checked this out & it actually has a large-wedge of 'ballast' moulded onto the rail/ties part.
I guess this provides a certain amount of strength, doesn't look great though !!
Mmm...

The bridge has 2 long girders, running full length, at track level. They are NEARLY 16.5mm gauge.
It may be possible to adjust the slots these run through & replace them with a chunky rail section.
As you said, brass could be an option as well, something soldered up or channel could be the answer here.
Perhaps a mix of rail & soldered brass.

I found a few pix. of an assembled truss girder bridge, that was for sale a while back.
Here they are, I think they show the prototypical construction pretty well.
I await, with breath held...
...for Michaels assesment of the rivet-details & Herbs of the girder sections !!

;)







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P.S.
Ken. I did find out a bit more about S.C.R-throttle mods.
I finished the NEW handset a while back.
Have been modding the main circuit-board a bit now as well.
Found a nice case for the P.S.U, just got to cut a front-panel for it.

More on that soon...
...I'm going to add MORE smoothing capacitors to the output basically.

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With your explanation of the construction, sound's like there should not be a problem. As I spliced two bridges of 20 inch's in length and finished up with a length of 33 inch's. The brass channel's were, I felt necessary to strengthen the butt joint.

The deck width was increased from 2&1/2 inch's to 3&1/2 inch's. Although not perfect, it comes close to the prototype, being the Norquinco River bridge on the Esquel line in Argentina.

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I think that Michael will agree with me that the proportions of the bridge are near spot on, and it has much more detail than most model trusses.

So there (where ?)

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Hello Si,

I totally agree with Herb: 1st bridge is a good representation but a bit too posh/expensive looking/well engineered for an outfit like the MMM RR. Looks too much like an A Class railroad. Definitely ditch the wedge shaped ballast if used as a railroad bridge.

2nd bridge: bin it, or use as a roadway under bridge** as per Woodie.

3rd bridge : looking good for a NG railroad, actually looks quite similar to some on the D&RGW's San Juan extension line.

** you might think this should be "overbridge" but not so. Bridges are named from the Railroads point of view, so a bridge that spans over the track is an underbridge, 'cos the track runs under the bridge. Not a lot of (non) railway folk know that ! May not apply to U.S. useage ??

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" Second picture--are you f*****g kidding???--and ignoring the color even. Shame that they didn't mold it in pink plastic! "

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" OH WOLFY !! ...
...You mean that mean ol' Herb won't let you paint the new bridge in Bambi & I's favorite colour ? "



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" 1st bridge is a good representation but a bit too posh/expensive looking/well engineered for an outfit like the MMM RR. Looks too much like an A Class railroad."

Hi Michael

I gotta say, I don't get you on this one.
Surely a bridge is a bridge is a bridge.
It either IS engineered.
OR
It's scrap-metal in the ravine !

The box-art is a bit misleading, since the supports, train etc. are HO scale.

I'll try and get a quick photo of Wolfy standing next to 1 side.
I gotta say, it looks pretty OK to me, more 'light' in 1:35.

It's only a 50ft span, the uprights being 5ft apart from each other.
Mmm...

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Si.

The railroad did have some cash for about a year or two...
...after the molybdenum-meteorite landed on the mountain !!

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Some where in the prototype world, the bridge / gauge combination will be found. One of the books I have show a steel arch bridge, built for standard gauge, the Rly however that used the bridge was a 2ft gauge line.

I like the bridge, waiting to see if Wolfy approves <G>.

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As a result of working on rolling-stock, buildings & trackplans all at once...
...although none of these things are actually 'finished', a clearer WHOLE picture is coming together.

Since I am scratchbuilding rolling-stock & have nothing much as yet to run trains...
...the old temptation to bash together benchwork & whack a load of switches down thankfully hasn't been an issue.

So far, I have managed not to waste valuable modeling time on stuff that ends up not getting used.
If I have got 'stuck' knowing how to progress a particular model...
...I've simply set it aside & picked up another one to work on instead.

Coming back to trackplans again recently, has had me thinking more about operations & how to make the most of them.

The tankcars I've been working on, got me thinking that the 2nd major-mover for the railroad will be tankcars of oil, gasoline & water.
Potentialy great for operations, if just 1 small mine needs all 3 commodities.

With that in mind, Hank Hatchet in the Mysterious Moose Mountain carshop, has been on the lookout for further tanks, to turn into new car builds.
I'd like every car on the railroad to look at least partly different to each other, for visual interest.
So a couple more tank types have arrived at the carshop for the new tankcar builds.



This 'shortie' experiment is based on a cut-down Tri-ang tank, of the type I've already used whole, for the 2 tankcar builds so far.

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Hi Si,

May I suggest you Google -

"Pagosa Junction Railroad Bridge"

"Animas Forks Railroad Bridge"

- scroll through all the separate photos that come up.

These, & others, were replacement bridges because the DRG were running ever heavier trains following the introduction of the K Class locos.
The Pagosa truss bridge replaced the previous trestle that was swept away by heavy flooding.

These bridges were carrying double/triple headed K's and multiple hundred ton consists of up to 90 - 100 cars. Though similar in appearance to yours the girder & riveting sizing is noticeably lighter. So the MMM RR hit pay dirt for a year or so and invested in good 2nd bridge !.

Your latest tank looks great for a water tanker - a mountain top mine will be short of water for sure. Wolfie's lady 'friend' looks a tad too expensive for his wallet.

Regards, Michael

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Hi Michael

I checked out the 2 bridges you mentioned.
BOY ! do they look 'spindley' to my untrained eyes !!
Still standing though.
So obviously well up to the job.

I looked at some truss-bridges a few days back.
These were smallish sized road bridges in Pennsylvania.
The website had many photos & was promoting Pennsylvanian historic bridge preservation.
These bridges are apparently quite widespread in the area.

I learned that around the turn of the century & into the '20s & '30s, steel truss bridges were widely built.
It seems due to falling construction costs & that pre-stressed concrete had not quite become the norm yet.
On-site mobile-riveting equipment had made this possible.
I read that as probably meaning, better, smaller, more portable air-compressors ??

( excuse my vague research, I can get totally drawn in to it, if I'm not careful ! )

Anyhow.
The Pennsylvanian small-road trusses, appeared to be BUILT LIKE TANKS to my eyes.
Way more steel & rivets etc. than those two D&RGW bridges.
By comparison they seemed WELL over-engineered, for 'light' trucks & typical road traffic.

Mmm...

On the bridge kit I have.
If the 'overhead steel' is left out, the bridge appears visually much 'lighter'.
I guess more close to a 'half truss', although a bit high for a true 'half'.
I generally appreciate the 'prototype for everything' scenario, it does help avoid ANXIETY !!

I do like the way the bridge at Pagosa Junction is right next to the Depot !
I had kinda imagineered this for Mysterious Moose Mountain, but thought it might not look 'real'.
The alternative was a 50 foot bridge spanning a HUGE CHASM, Indiana Jones style !! ??
Just keep me away from the 'whimsical' Michael ! ... I have an 'unrealistic' magnetism pulling me toward it !!

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Si.

Question is
Do I burn my bridges ?
DAMN they're steel
Very non-combustible . . . !

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You mentioned in the HBR&T thread, you were building a
depressed center flatcar. Photo of a DC car I built based on one used on a peat railway in Belarus. Perhaps a bit more car then you are thinking of<G>.

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Si,

To give you an idea on bridge weights don't forget these "spindly" prototypes are from what Woodie would call a 'heavy' NG line, the D&RGW main line. That should give you a comparative guide as to what an MMM bridge would have been like, much lighter & designed on a fag packet.

If you omitted the top level transverse struts you would have a 'through truss' bridge, but I've never seen a full height through truss design. Removing these upper struts & reducing the side truss height would give a 'pony truss' but altering your kit would be almost impossible.

Pneumatic rivet guns came into shipyard use c. 1880s -1890s on; railway shops usually used hydraulic rivet guns(I don't know why the difference).
You are correct that portable riveting only started about 1910 onwards. Rivet guns need at least c. 110-120 psi & a good cfm rate - I've done my share of rivet driving. Air is also a must for the rivet heating coke stove, Any rivet less than white hot in the hole won't be any good.

Your best bet might be No 3, bought second hand when the line was at its peak. A lot of bridges, grades & railroad infrastructure were washed away by torrential floods in, I think, 1908 in Colorado and New Mexico, resulting in steel truss bridges replacing previous trestles.

Funny you should comment on Pagosa Junction as a prototype inspiration, I spent damn near a year researching it as an actual location for myself - the problem was that the depot area was separated from the passing sidings by that ¥$€# bridge - I could not fit it all in along a 11' 8" wall. Chavez Junction is based on Pagosa Junction without the bridge and flipped east-west to make better use of the available space.

Ken - unusual 4 truck wellcar; typical MMM shop build with the outer trucks mounted on inner frame extensions; inspiration for Si ?.

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I would like to post a photo of the prototype, copyright
restriction. The drop side's were made with SI's favorite
product line "TRIANG" Testrol cars. Need to find a couple more for myself, with luck this weekend, want to redo my
6 axle DC car. Both cars are based on either 76cm or 2Ft 6In gauge.

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Hank Hatchet has seen some suspicious looking types, hanging around the M.M.M carshop of late...
...he thinks they might be trying to steal coffee-stirrers from his lumber pile !

Oh well ... What goes around, comes around Hank !!



Hi Ken

Nice looking depressed-centre flatcar ! (see previous <<< Page)

I have looked at the old Tri-ang Trestrol & Weltrol cars.
I ended up though, scoring the 'Trix-Twin' made depressed-centre flat for now.

I kinda imagine this as being bought by the railroad 2nd-hand from a foundry or such like.
The length & width is spot on for the size of flatcars the Gilpin Tram had...
...although they had no steel-cars of this type.

It could probably handle a Caterpillar TEN or my small crawler 'bash' & maybe a diesel-engine load or similar.
I am considering making a depressed-centre flatcar for my Caterpillar D7 though.
Although I don't know how possible it would be that a 2ft railroad could actually carry a D7 !! ??

Your 'super-wide' model is a good inspiration for a possible car build.
It may never happen, as the actual car-length would be WAY longer than anything I've built so far.
Could be fun though !
I might just score a Tri-ang Trestrol & check it out anyway !
Nothing to be lost here, cheap as chips on eBay...
...for a good Tri-ang BASHING !!

;)

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The Trix-Twin Bettendorf style trucks that came on the depressed-centre flatcar, were too high & didn't look that great.

As luck would have it though, the trucks from the Airfix locomotive-crane bash were PERFECT !

A nice low appearance on the car & an unusual heavy-duty look about these trucks.

GREAT ! didn't know what to do with these otherwise.



I just got some other unusual looking heavy trucks, finally, for the 1:35n2 locomotive-crane bash.
Made by ... YEP ! you guessed ...

... Tri-ang !

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I agree, the trucks look much better then what were on the car as built. Looking forward to seeing your Airfix Crane when done.

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I want one of those signs.

Real bad!

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Damn cool!

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" I agree, the trucks look much better then what were on the car as built. Looking forward to seeing your Airfix Crane when done."

Hi Ken

Yes, the Trix-Twin trucks are not really a patch on the bashed Tri-ang diecast ones.
A shame.
I don't think I can use them for anything.
The pressed-steel form 'works well', but looks really '2-dimensional'.

I'm back on the Airfix Crane bash a bit, now I have chosen the new trucks for it.
Plastruct U I L H beams & chequer-plate styrene have arrived, for a new size scratchbuilt car body.
I have a nice Tamiya 1:35 V8 engine which could be good as well.
Not sure exactly where it's heading, but BROWNHOIST is the likely template !


I took a good look at your Tri-ang Trestrol-bash & the original model Ken.
I see you used 2 cars, in 4 slices, by the looks of it; nice work !
I'm wondering if I could do 2 slices, down 1 car, & add 2 widening pieces.
Ken, can you tell me what the LENGTH of the depressed-area on your model is ??

I got some brief Caterpillar SIXTY & D7 specs.
Cat-60 is 6' wide (1:35 52mm) & weighs 20,500 lbs.
Cat-D7 is 8' wide (1:35 69mm) & weighs about 25,000 lbs, Length is 13'4" (1:35 117mm).
The kits I have, are 'under construction' s l o w l y . . .

I think the smaller ChTZ S-65 I have (Russian Cat-60 clone) would look GREAT on a flat like yours !
Maybe even the bigger Cat-D7s might fit as well ... maybe ??
Gotta get back on the construction of those, ZILLIONS of parts though !!
Not like the old Tamiya '70s 2-evening jobs ! ... I love those kits !!


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" I want one of those signs. Real bad! "

Hi Herb

I'll ask Hank Hatchet if he's got a spare.
Better not try and steal it though.
Hanks ARMED TO THE TEETH ! ... and DEADLY with the Backhoe !!


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The car I posted has an length to end of trucks of
10 & 1/4 Inchs, width of 2 Inchs. The truck mount setup came from either a Lifelike or Athearn HD flatcar. had to use HO trucks, due to clearance.
The second conversion a 6 axle has the same length, with a width of 1&5/8 Inchs. Used the Triang trucks on it. This car retained the center beam, a lot easier to mount trucks.
Car was based on a written description of the car which operated in Chile
Somewhere I have another set of side frames. The left over
sets of Triang trucks were modified for use on the tenders of 2 Mitsubishi 2-10-2s, which operated in Argentina, 2 of
which are currently being rebuilt for service.

Will dig out both cars and send a photo or two along.

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Hi Ken

Thanks for the info.

I'm surprised at the 2" width of the model.
It just goes to show how photos can sometimes be deceptive.
I thought your conversion looked much wider.
My camera sometimes makes Wolfy look tiny & trucks look bigger etc.

Ken, the measurement I am really interested in, is the LENGTH of the Trestrol depressed-centre area.
Basically to know if any/all of my tractor kits could fit in it.
I can't find this info on the net, I looked pretty hard.
I figure the Trestrol cars have a longer depressed-area, than the Weltrols, but I don't have either to check this.

I'm up for having a go at a Trestrol or Weltrol bash, if I can confirm that centre-area measurement.

Yes, the Trestrol 3-axle trucks look interesting.
I just bought as well, 2 different types of Tri-ang diecast tender frames, real cheap.
Brand new spare-parts, no less ! ... Bit dusty from being on the shelf for 50 years !!
Could be good critter frames, or even heavy flatcar trucks, with a bit of cutting.

Si.

Trix-Twin depressed-centre flatcar with original pressed-steel trucks.



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The length of the depressed section is 4&1/8 Inchs.
Largest Crawler I have is a 1/50 Allis-Chalmers 21 with a
3&1/4 Inch wheel base.
Might be a tad short for a 1/35 D-8.

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" Largest Crawler I have is a 1/50 Allis-Chalmers 21 "

Hi Ken

Thanks very much for your measurement.
You're right, the Caterpillar D7 is too big by a tad for sure.

I think the smaller ChTZ S-65 Russian Caterpillar SIXTY clone would fit though !!
I'll get them both out & have a butchers !

I seem to recall the smaller crawler is 85mm long for some reason.
Could just scrape in there !!

:bg:

Si.

Alice is a beauty !!



Am quite envious of all the COOL 1:50 construction type models out there ...  n i c e !

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4&1/8 Inch converts to 105mm, if?? your crawler has a base of 85mm, should not be a problem. Hope it works out.

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Dave :cool: the postman arrived really  q u i e t l y  today . . . ?

No reving engine.
Not a wiff of burning rubber...
...white-hot brake-discs...
...or flying gravel !!
Mmm...

" That $%£&@*? bloke has &?*%$£ well parked right in the middle of the @?*&£%$ driveway AGAIN !! "

" Morning Dave, That must be my Tri-ang ICI Caustic Tankcar "

" What ? "

" For my train-set Dave "

" Oh "



With the Mysterious Moose Mountain Molybdenum Mining & Manufacturing Companys growing need for liquid assets...
...the Moose Mountain Line needs more tankcars.

After the controversy of their recent riveted-bridge purchase...
...no need for the ol' abacus for any 'counting' here !!

100% all WELDED construction !

Just realised I didn't take a photo of the original '60s Tri-ang tankcar.
Had the darn thing apart too quickly for modding & bashing !

Not a bad lil' ol' tank, interesting WELDED side-supports.
Not a single stanchion-rivet in sight !

Checked her out on one of our scratchbuilt wooden underframes.
Mmm...
Decided though, that this fairly mooodern design will get a steel-underframe.

More later . . .

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With a few key-strokes on the ol' vintage Rockwell...
...some finely gridded graph-paper...
...& a can of spray-glue

BINGO !

Had ourself a niffty new steel-underframe making jig !



The previous underframe jig, made for the Gilpin Tram caboose model, worked really well.
This one had a slight 'upgrade', with the fine pitched graph-paper, glued to the thick mounting board.
Much easier to mark out & cut the holes for the Plastruct beams to fit into.
Later cross pieces will be easier to locate as well.

Needs a NEW knife blade, for best results.

:moose:

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Am I alone in finding the ongoing Chronicles of the MMMM are not the riveting read they once were.

Regards, Michael

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Hi Michael

Don't fall asleep in bed reading it.
The metal-cover sticking in your back the following morning isn't nice.



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Hi Micahel,
Its now a "fully welded read"
Rivetting was so... "yesterday" :P

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Hi Micahel,
Its now a "fully welded read"
Rivetting was so... "yesterday" :P[/

Hello John and Si,

So MMM is now a seamless read, rather than theme less ??

Cheers, Michael

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Damn nice weathering job you did on the riveting kit. Care to tell us how you did it??? Was it salt or maybe pepper?

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Woodie - I think it is the special weathering process known as "found at the back of an old shed, why not put it on Fleabay".

Si : to answer your question, I have searched through my workshop drawers as far as I am currently physically able, but I cannot find my brake shoe box. I remember the suppliers address was Harrow UK but I cannot find any such on t'internet. Maybe the old Harrow Model Shop (RIP) ?

I intended checking the dimensions of an O gauge shoe but all my O wagons & stuff are packed away in crates currently out of reach as I am in U.S. On30 this year (supposedly).

From a quick IT search I cannot find any mfg's of solid, not fold up etch, wagon brake shoes; really bad news.

Roll on the big night !

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" Damn nice weathering job you did on the riveting kit "

Howdy Woodie :cb:

Thanks !
I thought about cutting up the case & turning it into ore-cars.
But I'll leave running a load of rusty ol' heaps, to the Silver City line.
It's all 100% WELDED and toootaly mooodern here these days.
John's right ... Riveting ... is ... just ... so ... yesterday ... !

;)

- - - - - - -

" I have searched through my workshop drawers ...
... I intended checking the dimensions of an O gauge shoe "

Good evening Michael :wave:

Too late I'm afraid.
It's past midnight.
Wolfys new girlfriend, Barbie, just turned into a pumpkin !


" Roll on the big night ! "

I sent Michael a PM, to see how his first night at the pub went, after getting out of Hospital.
Haven't heard back yet though.
Mmm ... ?
Musta bin a blinder ! ... He's probably back in the A&E again !

:shocked:

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Like I said, I forgot to get a snap of the vintage Tri-ang tankcar, before I ruined it !
Found this one on 'nternet though.

A slightly later model than my pre Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band era version.
This one has the post Woodstock pin-point placky arch-bars, not the dudey diecasts Hank Hatchet insists on.
But the underframe and 100% WELDED tank, are the same parts.



Can't remember what I paid for my one.
It was however in line with the usual M.M.M budget guide lines !

Couldn't BELIEVE IT !!
Looking for the photo, I saw one of these, sans 'collectors' box, with a smear of weathering on it.
Went for 30 QUID !! :Crazy:

I actually feel quite bad about destroying all these highly 'collectable' vintage Tri-ang items, to make M.M.Ms rundown rolling stock.
Maybe I should quit M.M.M, and just 'collect' the Tri-ang instead ?
Naw ... life's too short, not to have as much fun as you can, with a good Tri-ang BASHING !

Better not double-cross Herb though.
He's got all my 'details'.
He could pass them on to the Tri-ang 'Collectors Club'.
Could be looking over my shoulder for ASSASSINS for the rest of my natural born !!

:w:

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On the plus side you made the rest of the survivors more valuable...
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Having also bashed my fair share of Tri-ang rolling stock,
for my On30 Rly, I make sure I do not let the Tri-ang Collectors Club know were I live. <G>.

Will have to see about getting one of the tankcar's, looks interesting for a conversion. I do have one of the smaller tankcar's, still thinking of what to do with it.

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Hi Ken,
How about a sulphuric acid tanker? Complete with 'NOT TO BE LOOSE SHUNTED" or Canadian equivalent warnings.

Or you could go the other way - "DRINKING WATER ONLY" for isolated camps up the line?

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Went through my photos taken in Peru (2000) came across
two likely car's
SULFATO DE ZINC PELIGRO CORROSIVO
Used to transport Zinc Sulfate from the smelter to another plant for treatment.

AGUA POTABLE
Spotted at small villages to supply potable water to the village people.

Have two other tank cars on the work bench, so will likely finish them off first, before I work on the Tri-ang.
conversion. One from Peru, the other from Brazil, neither
of which much looks like a tank car that we take for granted.

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"Rusty old heaps on the Silver City line"....Gee, thanks loads.

WCG

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" On the plus side you made the rest of the survivors more valuable..."

Thanks Jose

Trust the pipopak research dept to think 'outside the box' !
I slept better last night knowing that I have made Tri-ang 'collectors' stashes worth more !
Perhaps their Godfather won't order 'a hit' on me after all ? :w:

- - - - - - -

I checked out the general ideas for the new tankcar underframe, with some spare Plastruct sections.



I got a few different sizes recently.
For light, medium & heavy-duty use.

The Airfix crane bash will have the heaviest underframe.
The light section supports the tank here.
The medium section is the main underframe beams.

I'm trying to make all my cars look slightly different from one another.
The difference in the Plastruct sections might seem small.
But I think when finished will be really noticable.

More later...

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Got rid of that nasty brake-gear Michael told me off about now !



Pix. sans Blightey-brakes soon ...

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Plastruct sections cut to length, after a good eyeing up.
Our 'tight wad' budget here at M.M.M, means Pops childhood advice ...
... " Think twice, cut ONCE " :old dude: always comes to mind !!


Mighta just shot myself in the foot & used the Plastruct for the Airfix crane BASH though. :f:

San Juan Car Co. Evolution coupler-mounting could be a challenge on this one.
Oh well ... ONWARDS ... FORWARDS ... FURTHER ... !
We'll worry about that  l a t e r . . .



In the background.
The Gilpin Tram caboose underframe, made using a similar DIY slot-cut mounting-board jig.

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nice build
i like thoe SJ couplers as well ,they are good looking
i have the tank cars from SJ as well, if you need some info from them i can post pictures here

for I beams i order them here
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ABS06-30-x-Styrene-ABS-I-Beams-500mm-Lengths-NEW-/221100655282?hash=item337aa042b2:m:mt0LVLhqothkHn6JVrtubYg

maybe a bit small , but cheap

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Aha ! I can see an upcoming coupler pocket bodge !
Better order another gallon of MEKP and 1/2 ton of plastic off cuts.

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" Better order another gallon of MEKP and 1/2 ton of plastic off cuts."

Hi Michael

I will do.
If I can get you to chew on that for a while, I guess it might set SOLID !

Oh well...
...I won't be able to get them in time for your next M.M.M trackplan review ! ;)

Shame.

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Slowly but surely, I have been sketching out some trackplan ideas.
Initially I started with the idea of 2'x5' sections.
I have made the mistake of having too large a base size in the past.
So with that in mind, the sections are now being drawn as 2'x4'.

The trackplan above, is based around 2 wye switches of 24" radius.
They could be Peco 'crazy track' or handlaid switches.
The 24" radius is accurately drawn, to avoid any 'illusions'.
I like many, have under estimated the space for switches, in the past.

The theme is intended to be a mining one.
The bottom-right spur, could handle a Shay & longer truck-type ore-cars.
The track leading to a high-level mine, is worked by a Porter & 4-wheel ore-cars.
The mine would be behind the top-left spur, a tipple behind the bottom-right spur.

I'm yet to draw these in, as sizes are not known yet.
Optimizing the track first, seemed the most important thing.
It is quite simple, but I have considered operations, which could be quite interesting.
Scenery would be pretty 'vertical', the bridges nice subjects, plenty of rocks around.

Much to do here yet, with car building & a ton of 1:35 kits taking my time at present.
But the trackplan drawing is heading in the right direction, I feel.
The benchwork for the plan would be fairly complex open frame woodwork.
I like to think that a decent enough plan to build, might be ready for the spring.

:moose:

Si.

More ideas under development at the moment as well.

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Yes, drawing, or even sketching, curves and switches to ''sort of'' scale is essential--especially when you are working with limited real estate!

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Hi there Si,

Never under estimate the space saving power of the "Y" switch !

I agree, under estimating the space for standard switches is all too easy.

Interesting track plan, I like the twin bridge main line crossovers and the vertical scenery possibilities but you'll need 2 locos in steam unless you're anticipating a lot of wagon propelling between levels.
Is there eneough scope for interesting ops at each end ?.
Have you eneough space to increase the length (left-right) of the layout and instal additional terminal spur capacity ?
There is no loco run round anywhere.

5' isn't a good baseboard dimension, it's a non-standard timber size.

Regards, Michael

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Hi Si and Michael,
the no-loco-run-around might be a good idea if the top end run to the mine is kept reasonably flat and the bins at the mine are high enough to clear the loco. This would put the loco on the downhill side for the shove uphill. Even if anything did get away from the mine, it would only get as far as the top dead-end. :2t:

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Hi Guys

Thanks very much for your comments on the trackplan.
I am mooseless at track planning, I need all the help I can get !

It came out of the fairly complex 'looping' drawings I did a couple of weeks ago.
I know, probably most people were thinking, this guys NUTS !
You could be right !
Still, the idea was to have WAY more than was really 'doable', & then cut back.

I have also been looking again at 'The Grand Central Gold Mining Co.' as a project.
Buildings in 1:35 are BIG, It seems to me that you HAVE to design track around them.
I can't, as I have done in smaller scales, leave space & decide later, it won't work.
I need a fairly good knowledge of a buildings foundation, to fit tracks around.

The other thing I have decided, is not to use any low-relief 'flats' for M.M.M.
I would like all my buildings to be true 3D, and viewable over 360degs.
This again, doesn't make life any easier, but I am sticking to this requirement.
This partly comes from deciding also, that I don't want to consider using a 'backdrop' either.

My previous trackplan sketches were all 'linear' shelf-layout type ideas.
This changed in August, as I bought six 4-wheel side-dump cars, that can do tight curves.
The thought of having a tight-steep mountain section, then became a possible option.
Not ideal maybe, that all your rolling-stock can't run everywhere, but true to prototype.

The lack of extra spurs might seem undesirable, but would the prototype have these spurs ?
A Shay pushing cars to the tipple, can exchange empties/fulls, using the spur & loop-start.
Operated like this, there is no need for a 'space eating' runaround loop either.
Hardly possible in any case, over the limited length of four feet.

John is right in saying, the mine-switch 'plateaux' is flat & the tipple high enough there as well.
The Porter/Critter would always be running on the 'downside' of the grade, blocking any runaways.
An extra storage spur would be kinda nice, around the mine and tipple area.
But I just don't see there's any space for it, without great difficulties, loco direction being one.

As someone who habitually draws in TOO MANY switches on their trackplans...
...2 switches is showing some serious restraint !!

I kinda quite like this funky lil' 4x2 ! ... I think it might be growing on me !!

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Now for a bit more work, drawing out 'The Grand Central Gold Mining Co.' structure elevations.

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Si, in "real life", most railroads would put the locomotives in the lead of any loaded cars...just in case a drawbar (coupler) broke and started a runaway. I agree with you on the no "flats", 360 degree viewing. I wish that I could only build "full" structures but years ago, a late friend commented that for me to build a "scale size" (1:35 scale) smelter operation then I would need to use more than half of the back yard (the layout was outside then, remember?) to "correctly" model the scene.
We do what we have to...as the poet from Minnesota, Robert Zimmerman, once wrote-"Don't look back". Great advice...and he finally won the Nobel prize for literature!

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Evening Si,

Be careful with that John oztrainz chap's advice - he'll soon have you sending your wagons downhill on a wire rope !. A nice suggestion though and as John correctly says, any runaways can't go far.

Large prototype buildings should be avoided in the larger scales. I built an exact copy of a really small goods warehouse for my O Gauge (43.5:1)
layout (if I ever finish it) but on a narrowish baseboard it totally dominates the scene. One "trick" I am currently experimenting with for some of the Chavez buildings is to model them to typical prototype front facade width but with substantially reduced depth, front to back. So far I think they look plausible, at least to a furriner's eye.

As Woodie says, it's all about selective compression.

Regards, Michael

Ps: I'm now growing up real fast - I can at last put my T shirt, shoes & socks on all by myself and I slept in the 'big bed' last night after 7 weeks sleeping propped up in an armchair. Extra bonus - I found a woman in the big bed ! My nurse !! (A.k.a. Madame Salada).
Maybe I can now get on with some modelling.

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" I agree with you on the no "flats", 360 degree viewing."

Howdy Woodie :cb:

I do indeed OF COURSE remember when the layout was in the yard !
I always thought it was kinda funny...
...the largest 'shelf-layout' I've ever seen, just NO WALL to hang the shelf on ! ;)

No backdrop & 'flats' either.
I guess where possible, designed to be viewed & operated from BOTH sides.

I guess so is a traditional 8'x4' layout, of the type built for countless years.

:moose:

Si.

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" Large prototype buildings should be avoided in the larger scales....
...a really small goods warehouse totally dominates the scene.
...model them to typical prototype front facade width but with substantially reduced depth."

Good evening Michael :wave:

I can imagine the goods-warehouse !
I built a OO 'Superquick' one donkeys years ago, quite small actually.
Did it fit on the layout ? ... Nope !

The adobe building I have been adapting, had another 1 1/2" taken off the depth, the other day.
I have now, in 2 cuts, reduced the front/back depth by around a whooping great 5"
Quite a bit for a 'shelf layout' scenario.

I decided which 'face' was 'the front' also.
It is of course though 360deg 3D.

It has taken a pretty long time to get 'comfortable' with the new 1:35 sizes.
Even though I have had a fair bit of experience in the slightly bigger 1:32 slotcar world.

Got some round dowels to replace the square beams.
Laminated 2 sheets of balsa together for some wall thickness.
It has progressed a good bit, even if it appears very similar to before.
I did some 'reference' photos, guess I might as well Post them.

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Slight adjustment to the new WELDED tankcar underframe jig...



...& slight adjustment to the NEW space-age light-weight steelwork !

Coupler-pocket 'bodge' ?? ... to follow ?? ;)

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Wolfgang is satisfied with the Plastruct parts layout...



...& goes off to fetch his bucket of MEK ! :P

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Plastruct tank cross-supports, in a smaller size.



Wolfgang is pleased that the Tri-ang 'Collectors Club' haven't found him yet ! ;)

Since he just hacksawed up a PRICELESS  'Battle Space !'(TM)  item ! :Salute:

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They'll get him one day !! :w:

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Checking the cross member possitions. L:



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Some long ground-steel bars align the cross-members, which overhang the frame a tad.



The Plastruct sections are MEKed in place, leveled & held by more heavy-metal !

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HEAVY-METAL !



' British Steel ' good for holding all in place for AT LEAST 24-hours !

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Si,

I set up this little building size demo to show the effect of modelling substantial buildings to scale.

 The white board is 3' x 2'. The building is an exact copy of a really small goods shed (freight shed), probably the world's oldest surviving railway goods shed (at Shildon, County Durham, ex-Stockton & Darlington Rly). At 43.5:1 Scale (Brit 'O' Gauge), the model has a footprint of 13.25" x 8.5", excluding the end office extension and height to eaves (gutter level) of 4.75".

The prototype is 48' x 30.8', excl the end extension.

Note how dominating the bldg is, remember that's a 36" x 24" white board. The bus is a full size period double deck omnibus (bldg, loco & bus all at 43.5:1) : 




& again :




Closer up :








This goods shed is probably a similar size to your Grand Central mine, so just imagine the model's size at 35:1 !!

I intended including some smaller actual prototype model buildings as a size comparison but I cannot get to them at the moment.

Regards,   Michael     - keep it small & tight (the prototype I mean !!)

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Si,

The following pics are of models of real U.S. prototypes, modelled to full size width but just under half their real depth, front to back. I'm not sure what the Yanqui experts would make of them but this way I can get several streets into the 'city' area of Chavez :














Regards,          Michael

(nail holes to be added later, Ahem)

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Hi Michael.

The goods-shed model looks fantastic !
A really nice old prototype, if a slightly large one.

It's strange how looking at the building, it isn't initially obvious to me how big it is.
The loco is something that comes in various sizes also.
The thing that really 'scales' that scene for me, is the old double-decker omnibus.
It kinda looks really small in the photos.

The Grand Central Gold Mining Co. is apparently 39' long, according to Trout Creek Engineering.
I don't think I've seen a smaller 'decent' mine, in many of the countless old photos I've looked at.
If you have to save a ton of space, the answer is of course a tunnel, not shaft, mine I guess.
39' is 13 3/8" in 1:35 scale, I forget the width used by Trout Creek Engineering, 20' maybe.

I got the printouts of the old Gilpin County vintage photo which I made on 'blue-grid' paper...
...and started drawing vertical & horizontal 'cross lines' at all the points of interest, doors windows etc.
Turned out to look like quite a spiders web, I might Post a photo of it just out of interest, later.
When I 're-scale' it for 1:35, I will compress it very very slightly, the proportion is what counts for me.

I am trying to select my 'prototype' structures really carefully, so as not to look too big or small.
The car building has been the same game, I have tried to limit the dimensions to Gilpin Tram ones.
A nicely sized prototype as it happens, seen next to Colorado & Southern 3ft, the 2ft Tram is petite.
I like the Chavez structures Michael, they I'm sure will work well in relation to their final context.

:moose:

Si.

I'm getting there s l o w l y . . .
I'll Post snaps of the Adobe Building lately, It's been cut-back twice now, and now looking satisfactory.

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The original size of the adobe-building, before modding...

...was about 8"x12", more or less exactly A4 paper size.



Quite BIG for what it is really !

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More pix. l a t e r . . .

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Si, maybe what you need is to build structures which have no known photos or plans. The mines from Pinos Altos that I am working on have no photos, etc. so I can pretty much do whatever I want!

Freelancing is painless, it brings on many changes (adapted from the theme for M*A*S*H)

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

No worries.
I can say in all honesty, I am almost 100% planless !!

I just happened to fall in love with 'The Grand Central Gold Mining Co.'
So I wanna give that ol' bird a good nest some place !
I'm warnin' yers all...
...those windows are gonna be TRIPLE glazed !

Freelancing ROCKS !
I have a zillion photos.
To be drawn from as inspiration, not copied slavishly.

I actually have some more building experiments, in the offing.
Some photos as well.

I'm just getting into the whole structure thing fairly slowly...
...so I don't spent a load of free time on stuff I can't use.

It's all going pretty good really.
I've been enjoying working on all the different stuff.
I like to juggle a handful of projects at once.
I swap over all the time, as and when I get ideas.

1:35n2 is :moose:tastic !!

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I had this building on the shelf in my kitchen for several years.
The photo on the previous page <<< shows how it was then.

I finally took a slice off one end of it, a couple of months back.

Mmm...

Well, good to er on the cautious side, I would say.
The first slice wasn't enough though, but did make me see the building in a new way.
So I took another slice from the same 'long' sides.
The extra inch, again made a surprissing difference to the appearance of it.



I have some balsa sheet laminated up, for wall thickening now.
Also some new roof support timbers, in the form of 1/4" wooden doweling.

We're gettin' there on this one.
It's much more 'fittable' to the shelf layout format now.

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It looks better this way Si. I just wonder about the damage to the building.
On a natural way spalling (is that the right word?) normaly only found place on the top of walls and then works his way down. On your building there is also damage in the wall (on the corner and by the windowframe). Did it happen by gunfire?

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Btw, your car building gives me some inspiration to scratch / bash some cars too.

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" Your car building gives me some inspiration to scratch / bash some cars too."

Hi Alwin. :thumb:

Thanks for your kind words.
The car building is a lot of fun for me.
A synthesis of what was & what may have been.

The buildings are taking second place to scratchbuilding cars at the moment.
But it is good for me to do a little on the buildings, bit by bit as the vision evolves.

- - - - - - -

" I just wonder about the damage to the building. Did it happen by gunfire ? "

It did indeed.

The building was damaged back in 1916 at the time of the Battle Of Columbus.
Pancho Villas forces were involved in a shoot out & gunfire did take it's toll on the building.



When I add the wall thickening, with the balsa I've laminated, The corner & window damage will appear to be only missing rendering.

The cracks & damage in general to the building, are a tad over the top.
Some of these will be filled & the roof top walls levelled out a bit.

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Some more pix. to follow . . .



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Si :  I never had you down as a football supporter, let alone a Villa fan (well known Brit footie club, Aston Villa, known as The Villa)

Regards,   Michael

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" I never had you down as a football supporter, let alone a Villa fan "

Hi Michael :cb:

You're right, I used to large it for 'The Gunners' !
Quit though, after I saw what happened to Gary Oldman in 'The Firm'.
Moved to Madchester instead !!

- - - - - - -

Before cutting the adobe building down to it's new size...
...I had always seen 'the front' as being where the doorway is.

Now though, 'the front' is the side I would like facing toward the viewer.
Previously, because of the depth of the building, I hadn't looked at it from this angle much.



This is about the angle I'd place the building at, in relation to the edge of the benchwork.

Quite close to the tracks perhaps.
With maybe a road grade crossing, over the tracks & past the buildings doorway.

Typical 'shelf layout' building position I guess.

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why not starting to build it with this:
http://www.dioramadebris.co.uk/135-scale-moulds-1-c.asp

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A really nice item of Tri-ang vintage electrical equipment, arrived at Mysterious Moose Mountain recently.
Complete with jazzy looking box !

In fact, so nice was it, that I bought another as well & now have 2 units !!

L:

Si.

Cor, thanks for the reminder about 'Diorama Debris'.
They have some very interesting products in virtualy every scale.

( see Cors Link on the previous Page <<< )

I may well get one of their stone-block moulds to try out.
Looks good !

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OK, what is IT?

Know nothing in Tejas

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Si, you have a talent for leaving us all hanging in mid-air, wondering what the hell is it in so many instances! Presumably there's a certain sadistic pleasure being derived! :glad:

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Slight issue at his end, with Posting more info on the  new Tri-ang 'P-42 Circuit Controllers'.



Fabulous '50s Tri-ang Railways resistance circuit controller !

Further blurb to follow . . .

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17/6 ... is seventeen Shillings & sixpence ... of fabulous '50s old school British cash !

In 1970 that was about £0.85p or roughly a buck $1 at todays prices !!

Although they probably cost more than 17/6 in 1970.

This advert I think is from the '50s.

More or less . . .  ;)

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When Cadillac were doing 'big fins'...
... Dick Dale had just discovered GUITAR DISTORTION ! ...
... & Gerry Anderson was still blowing things up, in his back yard ...
... Tri-ang Railways(TM) were designing the hi-tech P-42 Circuit Controller. :brill:

Yep ! ... It's a resistor in a box !
How un-cool :f:
No trendy batteries, micro-chips, gigahertz transmitters or digital gizmos ...
... just a long piece of wire :f:

Oh ...
... but WHAT A BOX !! :bg:
It just SCREAMS, in a word ... Style ! ;)

Some have it, some don't, some want it, some never will.

I think she's A PEACH !

Slightly 'vintage' obsessed, I did look around for an equally gorgeously designed controller.
But didn't really find ANYTHING as drop dead, as Tri-angs P-42.
All the other Tri-ang designs were DOGS by the way.
Somehow the P-42 just made it past the 'designed by committee' greyness & onto the street !

:moose:

Si.

Just out of curiosity ...
... does anyone know of any other equally 'stylish' resistance-controllers, from other manufacturers ?

No DOGS please !

I would love to hear about any SERIOUS contenders, to the Tri-ang P-42s top step on the podium !!

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Hmmm..this one, panel-mounted, 15 Ohms:



The erstwhile firm of Rokal made this one:




the internal rheostat, rectifier and switch:






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Hi Helmut :wave:

Thanks for your entries in the 'Resistance Throttle Of The Month' competition ! :bg:

Now that big ol' chunky lever-style throttle, has got some serious practical potential !
I like it.
Reminds me of the swingin' '60s level controls, on the E.M.I mixers at Abbey Road, back in the days of Sgt. Pepper !!
Not bad.

The erstwhile firm of Rokal has made an interesting one as well.
Looks like they were expecting some serious HEAT, from the built in vintage selenium-rectifier !
Interesting looking combination of 'ancient' & 'mooodern' in their design.
It could grow on me.

It has a certain je ne sais quoi about it !
I think the 'heat' control reminds me of the old school Baby-Belling cookers.
Heated up a lot of cheap meat-pies on those, as a student !
Perhaps it is better not knowing quite what to think about that one !! ??

I was quite surprised to find out, playing with my friends new 'train-set', how perfectly fine the resistance-controller was.
Not a bad thing to have, standing-by, for a bit of bench testing, or the test-track ...
... or even a full layout.
Simple & effective.

I think some mods. may well follow, on either 1 or both, of the Tri-ang P-42s.
I like the idea of a built-in rectifier, possibly NOT Selenium though ??
An add on USB socket could be quite a 21st Century convenience !
Perhaps even an R.C. version, converted into a handheld transmitter !!

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its time to build a layout Si, playing with controllers can be done later:):)
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" playing with controllers can be done later "

Hi Cor :wave:

Just in case it isn't obvious.
Playing with my trains NOW...
...means having controllers NOW, not later.

Since I don't have loads of boxes on the shelf, full of nice new 1:35n2 rolling-stock...
...the REAL priority at present, is to continue pushing forward with the car builds.
Buildings & structures are also a high priority.

Several new locos & mechs. have arrived at Mysterious Moose Mountain recently.
Also we have in the M.M.M R&D Dept. a number of 'custom' micro-motor gearbox assemblies under development.
These will hopefully find their way into 1 or 2 new experimental railtruck/railbus builds, which are also new projects.

My test-track layout has been under a bit of development recently as well.
Some new track has arrived, including A SWITCH ! ... Yep ! ... a 1 switch layout at present !
Lance Mindheim would be proud of it !! ;)

:moose:

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P.S. Cor, I cancelled the order for the 'Diorama Debris' individual brick moulds.
I figured that casting 20,000 individual adobe mud-bricks, could be a bit of a diversion !
So it's back to BASHING the ol' swingin' '60s Airfix kit for now. ;)

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Wolfgang checks out the new Mogul !.



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operational offcourse by a CONTROLLER:bg::bg:
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Looks nice Si - what we can see of it that is! I see the slightly dodgy eBay one went for silly money to a last minute scavenger. I was wondering if you are on the trail of any of the others.

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Hi Doug.
Well ... I went up to £0.99p on that one !
Nice of the seller to have removed all the DCC & sound stuff for the unlucky buyer !
Oh ... He did leave the speaker in ! ... Probably worth about £0.10p I imagine.
I guess it may have run perhaps, but could be a case of not 'run in' but 'run down' & worn out !
I paid, inc P&P, only £10 more, for a brand new one, looks like it never saw a rail in it's life.
I did actually buy an HO Bachmann G.E. 45-Ton the other day, from a dude in Nashville !
Difficult to come by those in Blighty as well.
It was new & unused, and an acceptable price I guess, the 'Global Shipping Program' didn't help much though.
It might be here tomorrow, quite small I think for 1:35n2 perhaps.
We'll see, It's hard to make a real assessment of something, until it's sitting in front of you.
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Now, as for that 2-4-4-2 mallet I'm dreaming about . . . :bg:

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" I see the slightly dodgy eBay one went for silly money to a last minute scavenger.

I was wondering if you are on the trail of any of the others."


Hi Doug :wave:


I think you're right Doug, that 'scavenger' got a minger, I rec.

Careful what you say though, about the idiot who paid 45-quid for the Mogul with the clanking mech, last night on eBay !
You might offend someone !! ;)

:bg:

Yep ! ... They call us TWO Moguls Mountain these days.

Fingers crossed, there was A LOT of reason NOT to go for that hulk on Sunday night.
This lil' baby could be a winner though, I fink.

With 2 Moggys on the table & a serious case of MOGUL MADNESS...
...It looks like Hank Hatchet in the M.M.M carshop, might just get to clank-up that dodge mech. a bit more !

:moose:

Si.

I mean, honestly, a pair of Bachmann tender trucks inc. P&P will cost yer 20-quid.
That's IF you can even find anyone with them in stock.

So minus that, and a 5-er P&P
I figure I got a tank-loco BASH victim, for 20 squidleys !!

Let's hope she aint a woofer ! ;)

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I couldn't believe the price paid for the "non-runner" when I saw it this morning but then I suppose with enough ingenuity - or should that be engine-uity - you might get it going without the clicks! It's otherwise a pretty robust mechanism.

Good luck with yours Si. Post progress on the build - it'll be interesting I'm sure.

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Hi Doug :wave:


I have got to like the 'original' Mogul quite a bit, in the last week or so.
It is a bigger than the Shay & Porter for sure.
But 'upscaled' to 1:35n2, it does have the kinda size that some of the Glover Machine Works engines had.
Kinda cute !


I have to say, that with a TON of car builds still underway & other locos to mess with, another seems crazy.
But I never seem to have a clear idea of what I'm aiming for anyway.
Things sit on the bench & get 'looked at' until someday BINGO ! whatever the idea is, clicks (not like that mech !).
So 6 months down the line, I guess my research & imagineering will know what to do with her.


I'm thinking for No.2 though, that a much shorter 0-6-0T sans tender is what I'd like to aim for.


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maybe you have to stop building cars and build this:bg:




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"Yes dear....you old cow!"

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Another recent arrival at the Mysterious Moose Mountain shops !



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"Customised micro-motor gear box assemblies". .??
Has the MMMRRCo opened up a mechanical R&D shop ? Sounds intriguing. That 'orrible green army thing looks useful, throw the body shell away and you've got a handy sized two truck power unit.
Baldwin did a handsome 2-6-0 NG pannier tank for WW trench use; I don't know their catalogue code but if you Google "Snailbeach District Railway" you will see some photos of one on a mining railway. There's even a side view drawing of one somewhere on't tinternet. Would make a good Mogul based 35:1 mine loco.
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" Customised micro-motor gear box assemblies..??

Has the MMMRRCo opened up a mechanical R&D shop ? Sounds intriguing."

Hi Michael :mex:

I'm gonna check out the Snailbeach loco fer sure !

Some more jazz coming up, on the new drive-trains, very CHEAP, very GOOD, have done some testing for some rusty ol' trucks & railbuses !

Inspiration from all the oxidizing garbage Jose Posts of course ! ;)

Fer noo ...

Some pix. from the M.M.M. carshop, just to let your guys know, we are GULE'in TINGS !



The Mysterious Moose Mountain carshop is a MYSTERIOUS place for sure !

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Just a slight correction, from a while back.


I did say when I Posted this trackplan, which is drawn for 24" radius 'Y' switches, that PECO 'Crazy Track' was a 24" radius 'Y' switch.


Well, it isn't !, the regular left & rights are 24" radius, & the 'Y' switches are in fact 36" radius.





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Hi Si, 
You need the Peco small Y - SL97.  See http://www.peco-uk.com/imageselector/Files/Track-templates/SL-97.pdf Insulfrog only. 

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Hi John.

Thanks for that.


Well, as a confirmed 'pencil & paper' track plan drawer...

...I took a leap into the unknown today & downloaded a couple of track plan drawing softwares to try out.

'SCARM' & 'AnyRail'

" One small step for a Moose & a giant leap for Moose kind "

I think that's a Neil Armstrong quote BTW, not John Armstrong. ;)


In drawing out slotcar tracks, I have to say that using software was a big step forward in trying out a lot of different ideas quickly.

Once you know how to use it of course !

Slotcar track planning is a very different ballgame to railroads though.



Doug might like this as an F1 fan.


My 1:32 scale 'Suzuka'


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Looking at those earlier photos, that's quite a wagon production line you've got going there Si. It'll be interesting to see a train in due course - and somewhere to run it on!

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Hi Doug :wave:


Yeah ... Due course, is probably about right !


As for somewhere to run it on, don't anyone hold their breath on that one !


If I knew what I was after, it might make things a tad easier.

But creating acres of blank benchwork to stare at, seems likely to be a bit of a waste of time at the moment.


Perhaps I'm just not a layout kinda guy.

There are modelers out there who don't do 'layouts', so I'm told !

Perhaps I might be one of them.


The car building is fun though, no major plans with that, just making what seems OK on the day !

That session was meant to build a rickety 4-wheel boxcar.

But I ended up with the makings of four new 'disconnect style', truck based 4-wheelers...

...and an outside-braced boxcar & stockcar of about 16', on '60s diecast Tri-ang trucks.

Some building pix. to follow, no doubt.


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No layout? You can't have all this equipment and not have anywhere to run it! That's un-natural! Or un-something...

That's like the dude who owns a restored 56' Chevy but keeps it in the garage. One day he goes out and tries to start it up. But because it never leaves the garage, it won't start. The moral is...don't have a restored 56' Chevy.

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The new ALL WELDED ! mooodern tankcar underframe, went together like a dream !

The DIY Plastruct construction jig has been added to the carshop stash for future builds.


No rivets on this car build, so I guess Michael won't be Posting much about it ! ;)


I don't have any specific 'plans' for this car, but do have a load of general tankcar drawings to refer to.

Next up, has been a bit more Plastruct 'welding' to support the main tank.




Slightly strange photo ! :shocked:

I often assemble my underframes & other stuff, on this old mirror.

Simply because it is flat, MEK or PVA doesn't stick to it, & I can put it to one side, somewhere warm to dry, off the work bench.


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Yep ! ... Some Christmas lights in the background & the trusty green 'coffee kettle'.

Top quality steamers those colour match jugs from Argos ! ;)


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Due to Christmas holiday 'pressure' on work bench space...

...Wolfgang seems to have 'craned' the new tankcar build, onto the roof of an adobe building ! :shocked:



Bottom-left, is the newly made M.M.M 1-35n2 'coupler height gauge', for the San Juan 'Evolution' knuckles.


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" No layout? You can't have all this equipment and not have anywhere to run it! That's un-natural! Or un-something...
That's like the dude who owns a restored 56' Chevy but keeps it in the garage.
One day he goes out and tries to start it up.
But because it never leaves the garage, it won't start.
The moral is...don't have a restored 56' Chevy."


Howdy Woodie :cb:

Don't worry ... There's always 'Plan 9 From Outer Space' ;)


After wasting several days fiddling around with 'track planning software'...
...I did what seemed like the most sensible thing...

DRAGGED & DROPPED IT ALL INTO THE TRASH :shocked:

Sharpened up the ol' Staedtler & put point to PAPER ! :bg:

Yep ! ... another board idea was drawn, which isn't QUITE there yet ... but ... Mmm.


Good news though.

Other than pencils & paper...
...I now have 4 boards to fall over, in the hallway, each 61 1/2" x 19 1/2"
( some trash from the garage )

I also got myself 9 'Hornby'(TM) switches from eBay to mess with.
'Track planning' with REAL track !
I do need a few more pieces yet, to fill in the gaps.
But...
...potentially I can make a 'Timesaver' connected to an 'Inglenook' yard !
A slightly 'standard' but respectable kinda track plan I think.



The 'kick back' on the Timesaver, might have to become a 2-spurs 'X'ing type thing...
&
The Inglenook, might have to get a runaround-loop & an extra yard-track.

The area inbetween the 2 could be the first M.M.M 'scenic section' ... who knows what !

The ability to 'operate' in it's basic form, is not that far away though.

The nice thing about the sectional-track, is the easy-change experimental nature of using it.
If you don't like your 'Yard' ... Just build a NEW one Baby !!

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The 'Hornby'(TM) track can go back on eBay, when finished with.

So essentially it is FREE, or 'rented' ... still darn cheap whatever way you look at it.

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Hi Guys :wave:

I've been looking at some track-making parts for a while now.

Got my eye on some 3mm x 5mm walnut stripwood for ties.

Also lengths of copper-clad PCB ties from 'Marcway' Scale Models in Sheffield, who specialize in trackwork.
( lots of rail-codes, PCB tie sizes & custom-built switches are all available from them )
Michael if you're looking in, did you get your PCB ties from 'Marcway', or from somewhere else ?

Doug, a question for you.
I see you are using Caboose Industries ground-throws.
Do you know anywhere to get them from in Blightey ?
I've got some from NYC, but really need more.
Can't find the pesky lil' things anywhere over here.
Mmm...

The other thing I came across, while looking at Hornby(TM) switches...
...was their R920 insulated fishplates.
They look real nice !





Last time I used these, it was PECO transparent-Nylon ones...
...which I personally found to be loose, chunky & bendy.

Just wondered if anyone has their pennyworth to say about insulated fishplates before I order some ?
Except for Woodie of course, whos entire layout is insulated. ;)

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Hi Si. Caboose Industries ground throws are from Model Junction (Slough) as here.

http://www.modeljunction.info/estore/index.php?manufacturers_id=28

Can't help with the insulated rail joiners question as I've always used the Peco ones which fit fine on my Micro Engineering and Peco track combinations.

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Si, my layout is not insulated...if you connect a power pack to the rails and turn it on, the rails will glow red and the power pack will explode! I'm not very adept at wiring, you know.

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" if you connect a power pack to the rails and turn it on, the rails will glow red "

Howdy Woodie :cb:

For some reason, that reminded me of the time I sharpened the cute girl in the school science classes pencil at both ends, & connected it up to one of the lab power supplies !
Just trying to impress her, you understand...
...it didn't work, I did get her attention though !!

- - - - - - -

Hi Doug :wave:

That info of yours on the Caboose Industries products in Blightey is a blinder !
I had not previously heard of the place in Slough.



Thanks very much, I do like their ground-throws, my new Hornby(TM) based 'yards' will be pleased to have some installed, no doubt.

- - - - - - -

In case anyone was wondering what happened to my DIY SCR throttle refurb.
Well, I did finish the new handset, which is AWESOME.



But, due to 'design' indecisions & rebuilding the main board as well, it doesn't yet have anything ready to 'juice' it !

Hence the 'back to the old-school' Tri-ang P-42 resistance-controller, which I really like A LOT !



Some of you may have noticed that I have been rather taken by a slight swingin' '60s vibe here, because of all the old re-purposed Tri-ang Railways(TM) stuff I am 'rediscovering'.

So with that in mind, I scored a vintage 'Bakelite' Hornby Dublo(TM) transformer to go with it...
...& one of the old 'RELCO' high-frequency 'track cleaners', which work like a dream !

Even the cute girl in the school science class, would have been impressed !!
Maybe . . .

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No rivets on this car build, so I guess Michael won't be Posting much about it ! ;)









No rivets, no post, nuff said !!    Happy New Year Si, Cheers,   Michael.  



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Hello Si,I use SMP copper clad (they may no longer be trading, I'm not sure). Take care with thin walnut - it's tough but can split - doesn't take fine pins hammered in very easily. Nice colour but very difficult to re-stain a different or more weathered appearance. I know, I tried it for ties which is why I don't use walnut. Those Hornby fishplates look more U.S. Prototypic ally correct than Peco's "see throughs". Did those Relco things really work ? Regards,  Michael




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Hah - Relco...makes your train go. I still have one of these ( in parts ) as the original transistor went bust and I couldn't find a replacement that worked in the circuit. Don't you ever try that together with DCC!

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Hello Helmut - have a Happy, healthy & financially stable 2017. The layout I am (very slowly) building is DCC based, so what would happen if a Relco unit was used ? Regards, Michael

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"Your rails will glow and the power supply will smoke!"

YIKES!
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Hello Mr Woodie, all the best for 2017. So I could save on buying "smoke oil" ? Regards,   Michael 

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Hi Michael,see Doug for some snake-oil from Updah ;) Is better than smoke oil :bg:
Happy New Year - almost...4 hours & counting... to fireworks on the Coathanger

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Thank you for your kind wishes - have a good New Year and keep away from those too-high ladders.
The Relco uses HF to ionize the gap and the amplitude can become rather high - so the decoder in the loco will most likely be damaged by the HF playing havoc with it.
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This article covers the issue in detail.

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" Did those Relco things really work ? "


Hi Michael :mex:


'As featured on the BBCs Tomorrows World programme' ... I think it used to say on the packaging !



They didn't sell smoke-oil on old-school stalwart BBC shows like that !!

Demonstrated by top BBC boffin, Michael Rod, I seem to vaugely recall.



Or was it William Woolard ?

High calibre presenters in any case...

...before being phased out & replaced by Clarkson, May and the other one. ;)


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" The layout I am (very slowly) building is DCC based, so what would happen if a Relco unit was used ? "


The rivets on your K-27s would be instantly transformed into SPOT WELDS !

You are right, for a few seconds at least, you could save a bob or two on smoke-oil ! :shocked:


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" Hah - Relco...makes your train go.   I still have one of these ( in parts ) as the original transistor went bust "


Hi Helmut :wave:


Sorry to hear you're having a spot of bother with your RELCO.


" I couldn't find a replacement that worked in the circuit."


Perhaps you should tidy up your workshop a bit.

You might be able to locate replacement parts more easily.





Safety first ! as well ... All those trailing high-voltage cables look very dangerous. ;)


Maybe a New Years resolution ?


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"Safety first ! as well ... All those trailing high-voltage cables look very dangerous."

... but he is wearing a safety vest!. What can possibly go wrong?.

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Parking the family car in the drive would give more room and he should be wearing a hard hat just in case the sky falls in.:us:......Peter.

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The new 100% WELDED ! tankcar gets up on it's new wheelies !

Wolfy has used some 'dummy' wooden bolsters for an idea of truck mounting.

The trucks in the pic. are 3D-printed 1:35n2 Gilpin Tram trucks from Shapeways.

I may use these trucks, or perhaps some others.

I have now hoarded quite a number of different type trucks for the railroad.

The mountings & potential coupler heights are of course ALL different.





I still have some final testing to do on this, before 'bolt down day !' :bg:

Which I hope is soon, since I now have A TON of track to run stuff on !!

More on that later . . .


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Coming on nicely Si. Lots of scope for a Martin Welberg (Milocomarty of this parish) type weathering job!

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looking good Silooking at that frame it's a bit to big for that welded tank
why weather a welded tank, it's brand new(_!_)
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the tank is for shipping of Whatchmacallit solution,  an isotope much heavier than Deuterium, so the frame's load limit is reached when it's full.

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the tank is for shipping of Whatchmacallit solution,  an isotope much heavier than Deuterium, so the frame's load limit is reached when it's full.
then Si has lay downe  verry heavy track :old dude:would a three axle truck be better?
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Wolfgang tests the welding on the new tankcar, using the M.M.M infra-red inspection camera.





Herb should like this one !

No B&W or sepia in the high-tech M.M.M carshop test lab !! ;)

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Following complaints by USRA inspectors, Wolfgang runs a few more tests on the new tankcar.





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Hi Si, nice work on the tank wagon, what scale is it must be O scale, I have an old Hornby clock work tank  steamy 57 years old and still works well  on good track I plan to buy some O scale brass track still have the original track she ran on but is bumpy from being stood on.
I like that detector metre had to look twice a mazing the gauge is working in a pic.:P I have a trick pic as well you have to study a bit.
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" Hi Si, nice work on the tank wagon, what scale is it must be O scale "

Hi Tony :wave:

The red tank itself, is actually OO/HO scale.

I've also been using some Tri-ang Railways(TM) diecast trucks from the '60s, as they are just right for my cars.



These ones are partly 'modded', the wheelsets are yet to be changed to modern Kadee or Hornby types; also on later 'modded' trucks, the centre sections are being removed as well.

The red tank is from the Tri-ang special-load 'caustic tanker', the smaller of their 2 truck tankers.



This original tankcar is in fact the slightly later Tri-ang/Hornby version, with moulded plastic trucks.



The above photo is a little deceptive, as it was taken with a cellphone camera, with a very wide-angle lens.
As can be seen from the 'car ends', which recede in a VERY steep-perspective.

Wolfgang is standing only about 40mm in front of the tank, but appears much larger than he really is, due to the effect of the wide-angle lens.

Looked at with the naked eye, things look very different & the new tankcar sits nicely with my other Mysterious Moose Mountain car builds.

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Hi Si, what scale  are you modelling using 00/HO scale track , I was give 6 Hornby 00 scale tankers planning to modernise them, repainting the as well.
Good thing with the modern tank car they don't have a frame only where the bogies fit, works out well will buy some more of the Hornby tank car, the ready to run tank cars from the US are so dear to buy.
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" the tank is for shipping of Whatchmacallit solution "


@Helmut


The Gold Nugget Saloon used to sell Wolfys favorite beer, shipped from the importers in Chicago.

However due to the high local ambient temperature on Mysterious Moose Mountain, the bottles had an unfortunate tendency to EXPLODE randomly !


One day the saloons proprietor Mr. Bud Wiser, after yet another gunfight was triggered, as a bottle went off with a BANG behind the bar; said enough is enough, and refused to serve it anymore.


Of course Wolfy was devastated !





He had already tried brewing his own during prohibition, using what was thought to be the key ingredient in the secret traditional recipe.

Old work boots !

Sadly Wolfys bathtub brew caused him to be somewhat poorly.


So not wanting to be without his beloved brew on New Years Eve, Wolfys brother back in Bad Schmelling, had some 'Bad Schmelling Brau' shipped directly from their home town in the Alps.


Once the shipment from Bad Schmelling had arrived, Wolfy carefully picked out all the intact bottles from the crates full of broken glass, and emptied them into the new tankcar, for the Mysterious Moose Mountain carshop New Years Eve party.


Nothing much he could do about the extreme gassyness of the 'Bad Schmelling Brau'.

But perhaps some 'airing' like a fine vintage wine might minimize the halitosis ?


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Wolfys Kodaks from the New Years Eve party came back from developing.

They actually look OK this year !

That new Eastman 1930s fast-film emulsion, really is a mooodern marvel !

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Nothing much he could do about the extreme gassyness of the 'Bad Schmelling Brau'.

But perhaps some 'airing' like a fine vintage wine might minimize the halitosis ?


reminds me of an anecdote of the old FR when there still was a stationmaster at Y Dduallt:
Beer in kegs was hauled over the FR's metals from Portmadog to Tan-Y-Grisiau and Blaenau. Due to the height difference gas would be released in the kegs and required a stop at Dduallt to slacken the wooden pegs. The happy stationmaster and the crew took the opportunity to advantage, of course....

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When in Portmadog, track down the PURPLE MOOSE !





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ABV 3.6%:
piso-y-buwch!

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yep an ale off 3.6 % 
you cal that a bear :bg:(_!_)
try this one, http://www.duvel.com/
thats a real one :dope::rah:Cor

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bear in mind that a bear can do without beer. Waltzing bears, however, may have had more than one.

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Any if you THINK that the bear is waltzing---how much have you had?

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" what scale are you modelling using 00/HO scale track ? "



The scale & gauge being modeled is 1:35n2

Meaning '1:35' scale, which is the hugely popular military-modeling scale...

...running on 'n2' two foot gauge track, the same as OO/HO or On30 16.5mm track.


The rolling stock scratchbuilds are all being scaled to conform to the general overall dimensions, documented in the 100 year old Colorado & Southern folio of Gilpin Tram equipment drawings.



The relationship to OO/HO & On30 doesn't just end with the track gauge either.

Kadee On30 Griffin ribbed-back wheelsets & Hornby R8098 spoked wheelsets, represent very accurately those used on typical 2' gauge rolling stock.





In the case of the 1:1 wheelsets used by the Gilpin Tram, the Kadee & Hornby wheels being used on the rolling stock scratchbuilds, give a 1:1 car ride-height which is correct to around 1 scale inch, or in 1:35 scale, correct to less than 1mm.


The standard Gilpin Tram ore-cars numbered 18-155, drawn in the C&S folio of 1908, are 16'7" long.

The Tri-ang Railways(TM) ore-cars being adapted for the project, in 1:35 scale, are 16'6"1/2 long !





The dimensions for height & car width, are similarly quite simply 'uncanny' !!


Although not the most obvious railroading scale & gauge to choose to work in, I have found that there are PLENTY of parts available, particularly from OO/HO & On30, which can be easily & cheaply used to very satisfactory effect in building trains.


As for 1:35 scale figures, there are simply more available than you can even begin to count.

I now have a collection of perhaps over 100 figures for future use in the project.

All made with incredible detail & if you buy carefully, probably costing a tad over $1 a buck a piece !


You like vehicles ?

No problem !

Again buying carefully...

...Ford-A 3-axle truck, 500-part kit, $20 twenty bucks.

Ford-A 2-axle truck, 200-part kit, $15 fifteen bucks.

Caterpillar D7 dozer, 600-part kit, $20 twenty bucks.





The list goes on . . .


Not the most obvious railroading scale, as said before.

But if you like large-scale scratchbuilding, detail, choice AND economy !

Well worth considering.


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Si, what possessed you to model in that obscure scale? You been drinkin' ?

"De debbil made me do it!"
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" what possessed you to model in that obscure scale? You been drinkin' ? "

Howdy Woodie :cb:

I bin drinkin' too much coffee & stayin' up late, is what I bin doin' !

OK, I suppose it started way back in the early '70s...
...when still in shorts, I put a Timpo 1:32 cowboy in a Tri-ang OO Brit. coal-wagon, & thought hey THAT looks c o o l !
( took me about another 40 years to realize, it REALLY was c o o l ! ) ;)

Anyway, maybe the FULL story will follow, we LOVE stories !


- - - - - - -


Another c o o l story keepin' me on the coffee & up late ...
... is the rags to riches, scams to bust, railroads to rust & REVOLUTION in my latest railroad book coup de c o o l !

In the funky lil' bookshop of The Vale Of Rheidol Railway, at the heart of Brit. narrow gauge country in Wales...



...I finally found a copy of Duanes FANTASTIC book on the happenings down Mehico way !

WHAT a find ! ... ( I could afford it as well ! ... that one EXPENSIVO pile o' paper these days !! )

Can't put it down !!

L a t e r . . .


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Sonora Narrow Gauge: Railroads, Mines, Trams and Scams uncovers the stories of the fascinating narrow gauge mining railroads in Arizona’s neighbor to the south, Sonora Mexico.

This forgotten chapter of border area history is revealed with over 140 previously unpublished and rare photographs gathered in six years of research.

These railroads were operated by American and British owners using American locomotives and equipment, including well known ex-patriots from Colorado and California.

Mexico’s brief experiment with capitalism ended with the Mexican Revolution, yet several of these railroads remained in operation despite the anarchy that prevailed in Sonora after 1910, including attacks by Pancho Villa and Yaqui Indians.

The last of which operated narrow gauge through the 1970’s.



Review by Pedro Garcia R. :-


UN LIBRO BIEN DOCUMENTADO

Gracias al Sr. Duane Ericson por haber escrito este libro dedicado a la minería de mi Estado de Sonora.

La historia de sus ferrocarriles de vía angosta está muy bien documentada en este libro que recomiendo ampliamente.


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Si, when you read this torrid tome, you will find mention about Col. W C Greene. Maybe he was an ancestor of mine...maybe not. I wish I knew where he stashed all that gold!
This book is another winner for those interested in all things mining and cactus.
Duane also did the artwork in this book, a fine artist and gentleman for sure.

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One of the new car builds over the last few weeks has been an ouside-braced boxcar.



Dimensions on the 1mm graph-paper grid, have been made 'in line' with cars from The Gilpin Tram, as drawn by the Colorado & Southern railroad.

More pix. to follow !

L a t e r . . .

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Good evening Si.
 When I started my 3/8's journey I was scratch building all of my rolling stock, I now have Ed Fillion at Deerfield River laser cutting car frames and box car frames for my 20' cars.  Ed has so enjoyed working in 3/8's he is working on a line of stuff that he has either produced or is in the process of producing, this includes building flats, windows and doors, and steam loco cabs, along with the car frames and box car frames.  I have built a number of box cars using his framing kit and even an out side frame box car, simply by putting the boards to the inside of the car frames.
You might take a look at his site or send him an email he is very easy to work with and his costs are very reasonable, and the quality is excellent.  Please let him know I sent you.
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Can you post a link if Ed Fillon has a commercial web page?.
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Good morning,
 please go to http://www.deerfieldriverlaser.com
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Ah! Clearly a lithograph showing a couple of early On30 modellers using the traditional tools - hammer and crowbar!

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Shame Si!

Promoting Luddites, by showing them at work--

But you have to forget all that techie stuff before you will get my vote to let you in !!

Sorry, old chap---

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The lads in the picture are quite obviously beginners.

Beat on the cast iron columns, and everything above will come crashing down when they break.

Be quick about it, before some twit invents a 'lectric motor

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" modellers using the traditional tools - hammer and crowbar ! "

Hi Doug. :mex:

I'm afraid that's all Wolfgang & Hank Hatchet at the M.M.M carshop know about. ;)

Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation, was unknown by '30s loggers & miners.

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- - - - - - -


Wolfy was asked to D.J. the New Years Eve party, held at the M.M.M carshop.

So he dusted off a few of his old 78 shellacs...



...borrowed a couple of gramophones & a few Waltzs for the Bears...

...and was off, back to the carshop, to set up the 'soundsystem' & lights !


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Pix to follow . . .

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" Shame Si !
Promoting Luddites, by showing them at work "


Hi Herb :wave:

Well...
...It suddenly struck ( no pun intended ! ) Wolfy & Hank Hatchet, that they didn't much fancy being replaced by a L.A.S.E.R beam !

The much waxed term 'Luddite' did come to mind.

I'm pretty sure I had a history class in school about those dudes.
But I honestly forget, probably looking at Mandy in the 2nd row, or out the window at the cricket square at the time.

My, as usual, shoddy research, concluded though, that the Luddites were in fact NOT anti-technology wholly, but more like, anti 'loss of artisan jobs'.
Quite a difference to the colloquial mooodern day use of the term.

The question is, will we see taxi-drivers swingin' hammers at driverless-cars in the 21st century ??

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" Beat on the cast iron columns, and everything above will come crashing down when they break "


Penalties were swift and harsh for 'frame breaking'.

A quick trial, followed by execution was the norm.
Or if you were lucky, a few months of scurvy, after which the next hammer you'd be swingin' would be at a rock in Sydney harbour !!

Personally I think the last penalty has been a long standing problem for English cricket.

No one at the time realized that transporting a loada guys to Australia, who were experts a WHACKING things hard & then doing a RUNNER would have such a devastating effect on Englands chances in 'The Ashes'.



Although Fred Spofforth was known as 'The Demon Bowler', taking 14 wickets for 90 in 1882; that years team hammered the balls home as well.

( note flat head; clearly hit by poorly aimed hammer, obviously Luddite genetic ancestry )



One of many matches of course.
But the score so far...

Won by Australia 130
Won by England 106
Drawn 89

You can see my point.



You get this ^^ if you win ( for the U.S mob ).

It's like baseball, but the bat is wider & square...
...& you run back & forth in a straight line, not in a circle ! ;)

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Si.

The next Post might even be about TRAINS ! ...
... maybe ...

There is the New Years Eve party pix. of course.
But we have been bashing together railroad cars as well !

HONEST ! ;)

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Mallard..... Number 22 ???. No danger of any posts about trains then, best stick to cricket. Regards, Michael

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Photo courtesy of Ben Brooksbank




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Just to wrap up the temporary obsession with steam SPEED record holder Mallard.


The B&W photo above ^^ was taken at Londons Kings Cross station in 1948.

The locomotive bears the No.22 and still has it's 'skirts' removed from the WWII years.


As for the early '90s Blur L.P. cover.
The painting of the steam locomotive Mallard on the album cover was a stock image that Stylorouge—Blur's design consultants—obtained from a photo library in Halifax.

According to Design Week magazine, the painting "evoked the feel of a Just William schoolboy's pre-war Britain".


My thoughts exactly. ;)



Photo courtesy of P T G Dudva.


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Well ... Still slightly obsessed by the ICONIC narrow-gauge 'Mallard'. *


I couldn't help but do a little more 'research' on this great locomotive. :bg:


Much as I love rusty ol' critters, Porters & Shays...


...a cool lookin' A4 Pacific speeding across a wall in the 'train room' would be a WINNER !





Various awesome artworks are of course available from that well known online junkshop...


...which I swore I would try & quit looking in ! ;)


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* compared to British 'Broad Gauge'. ;)

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It could also be possible to run the odd world record breaking attempt or two, once I get some of the new track down on my first boards. ;)


I think that when the rivet-counters aren't lookin'...

...an A4 could easily blast down a 1:35n2 line at FULL THROTTLE ! :shocked:





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Woodie :cb: there's plenty of room in the tender for all the R.C. gear.

I figure you'd just have to slow down, for the 'Aztec' & 'Mine With No Name' curves ! ;)

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For now though, a record breaking read, might have to do !


In book-coup of the month ! ... I discovered this SERIOUSLY nice book on Amazon. :bg:





Published by 'The Friends' of The National Railway Museum in York...

...this 90 page LAVISHLY illustrated book, has it all !


Gresley, express-train history, shop photos, facts & figures + mooodern photos of 'Mallard' running in the 21st Century ! :shocked:


What a sight that must have been !


At £2.81p inc. P&P delivered to the door by Dave the postman, BUY IT NOW, what more could you ask for...


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...how about the Hornby OO model for my birthday ?


PLEASE ! ;)

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THAT loco in 1:35n2 would definitely be a lame duck.

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Well ... I have been busy, of course ! ;)

As usual, on a load of different stuff all at once. :shocked:


I have got pix from several new car builds to Post.

But I've also slowly but surely been piecing together a number of 1:35 vehicle kits.


I did most of the assembly of this lil' crawler tractor a while back.

But have been looking for a suitable driver figure, that I liked for the model.



I'm not going to be fitting the 'dozer blade' on this model, it's tractor only territory.

Now the new 1:35 driver has been recruited, his new 'custom' seat can be made as well.

The tractor is actually a 1:48 model, 'upscaled' to 1:35

I'm after a kinda 'Caterpillar TEN' sorta look, as a contrast to my BIG 'Caterpillar D7' kits.



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OK Si, who made the 1:48 kit? That one would make a suitable small early CAT or HOLT. Very neat!

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looks a tamiya to me, a komatsu 
still have to build mine
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maybe this one is one for you :http://www.miniart-models.com/index.htm?/35174.htm
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Si, having built the Tamiya model in its 1/48 scale, I can see how that's become a very nice 1/35 up-scale to a mini-tractor.
Great use of the "never build it how it was meant to be" philosophy!

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Great use of the "never build it how it was meant to be" philosophy!

Any modeller worth it's salt will throw away the instruction sheet right after opening the box, fondle the parts and start wondering what else can be built with the nice assortment of oddly shaped items.
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Oh yes, TAMIYA 1:48. Now, why would a 1:35 modeler want something too wimpy? Because I can make it into a small "1920's" job. I only have so much room for scenery (autos, trucks, horse & wagons) so I need/want a little dozer. OK, now, I need to start a "go fund me" page to get the dinero for this project. Who's first???

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Si, I found the 1:48 TAMIYA bulldozer, available from Squadron at less than $20 !!! I'ma gonna git me one! That's a Komatsu dozer but it can "stand in" for an old Holt or Case or whatever and nobody knows nothin'. Thanks for the idea, and fie on you from the money saving department.

Actually, the damn thing is cheaper than I thought it would be!
Woodrow

HERE IS A REAL ONE:



A 5 ton HOLT, circa 1920 (just what I want!). Simply carve off the Komatsu crap and use some small red decals for HOLT...and there you have it!
This photo is from the Hedrick AG museum, found on de net. Don't see any copyright so I guess I have the right to copy it!

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" Any modeller worth it's salt will throw away the instruction sheet right after opening the box, fondle the parts and start wondering what else can be built with the nice assortment of oddly shaped items."


Hi Jose :wave:

More top tips from Freerails 'quirky & weird' specialist ! :Salute:

Since I like my tractors 'naked' :shocked: ...

... a front & rear mounted winch from my Mirror Models Cat.D7 have found their way into the long-running Airfix locomotive-crane BASH !

N I C E !

I ain't even gonna begin to describe the 'perversion' that my Zvezda Ruskie Ford-A is suffering at the moment ! ;)


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Howdy W.C.Holt :cb:


I'm sure when your USPS dude flys in from Squadron with that lil' crawly kit, you won't be disappointed !



I'm going to set the bogies on mine, a bit wider apart than in the photo at the top of the Page.

It needs a new gas-tank as well, the 1:48 one looks too small.

Bit more work to do on it yet, but I ain't QUICK ... No Sir, this is 'country' $4!7 ;)


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Si.


I have got some 'sprue photos' I took before building it.

Guess you won't be needing 'em though ... Kits prob. there already ! :bg:

I'll put 'em up though ... In my opinion, the kit is a MASTERPIECE of moulding ... so, so, simple, yet brilliant & why Tamiya are hard to beat when it comes to 'clever' design.

MiniArt take note ! :f:

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You call that a Holt tractor Si!! Mini!
THIS is a Holt tractor!!!


2 (6) by slateworks, on Flickr


2 (5) by slateworks, on Flickr

Use the tracks and radiator, cut off the bonnet (hood), extend the frames with Plastruct mouldings, add a front wheel of choice and have a bucket load of fun building up the steering mechanism, engine, roof and other accessories.

Come to think of it, when the wallet permits buying another Komatsu, I might just have a crack myself as the first one with its thrown track is just rusting away outside Updah's loco workshop!


h (3) by slateworks, on Flickr

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Basically you can upscale a tractor (within reason) by just changing the operator's seat and moving it away from the firewall to have more leg room. A quick look here http://www.cat.com/en_US/products/new/equipment/dozers.html will show it.
About the removed pics the links to them can be safely posted without risks.
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The Tamiya dozer kit, is in my opinion, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED for both 1:48 and 1:35

Tamiya have integrated what COULD have needlessly been many many individual parts, into a small number of complex mouldings, on only 2 small sprues.

The bogies for example, are basically just 2 mouldings, wheels, tracks & all !



Do they suffer from this ?

Not in the least !

This kit, like my Tamiya jeep, Chevy truck, Quad tractor & others, is an absolute PLEASURE to work with.


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Tamiya kits are widely recognized for the precise fitting of their MANY parts.
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The only thing to comment on really about this kit, is the included driver figure.

Now I know Japanese dudes aint exactly large.

But this driver figure really does appear TOO SMALL for 1:48 scale.

Put a Grandt Line miner next to him & the difference is massive !

OK he is sitting down, that makes a difference.

But still, the dude seems to have a head the size of a cricket ball !

Not on ol' bean. :f:



Reminds me of my 1:32 model of Italys finest, 2002 Ferrari F1 car made by 'Carrera'.

The car itself is an awesome model, in appearance at least.

On track the thing runs like a VW camper-van though !

Michael Schumacher seems to have shrunk dramatically as well ! ... Perhaps it was raining ?


The dozer-blade hydraulics are all 1 piece mouldings also.

The blade itself can easily be installed or left off, without any serious problems.


A  5:moose:er kit for sure, except for ol' pin-head !


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Agreed about the driver Si. Mine went into the bits box (not that my poor old wreck needed a driver!) as he was certainly no bigger than S scale.

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I received my Komatsu bulldozer kit today!!! A very cool kit indeed and I am very thankful for the tracks and wheels being cast in one piece! And the "droop"of the tracks along the top is just great. I intend to modify it some by using one of my auto/truck motors and cutting away the hood sides to show it off. And while I love the blade assembly, on a dozer from the 20's, it would have chains or wire ropes to lift the blade and a "tower" affair to support such operation. Sooo, I gots some cuttin' to do but it will be fun. Yep, that driver is a little fellah, he may work for a little kid in my scale. I will need to make a proper seat...but that's another story.

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Woodie,
Backwoods Miniatures has done all the work for you. They have a kit to convert the Tamiya's Dozer. The cost is 24 pounds 
I have both kits but have not built them. Let me know if you get this kit and build them.  
The web address is http://www.backwoodsminiatures.com/0n3kits.htm Milt Perkins San Diegomiltperkins@roadrunner.com

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Yes, that kit looks nice but I am making this into a 1:35 scale small HOLT crawler. All I need is one, but who knows what the future holds. I have a "thing" for dozers and tractors but then I have to watch what I do since I just have so much space on the layout and way too many "toys".
I'll post some pix of the little rascal soon. I just got the kit today and almost have it done tonight! Now I need to build or convert an existing building into a repair shop.
Oh yes...I forgot...I do have trains to run!

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Just to add to the Tamiya dozer kit stuff.

Not only is the placky dude driver WAY too small for 1:48...

...but for some strange reason also...

...the Tamiya 'box artist' has illustrated the driver really small as well !



There is a Wikipedia page on this dozer, which is worth checking out.

Tamiya say that the tractor with blade fitted is 75mm long overall.

The Backwoods Miniatures 'cable lift' mod. kit is shown on their Site, with a more sensibly scaled driver dude.

So not the GIANT model in 1:48 that it kinda looks like on the box art.


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Woodies been a bit quiet the last few days. L:

I bet he's been soooping up his dozer with lots of wiz bang custom parts ! :pimp:

Probably got it to do the 1/4 mile in about 10 minutes by now !! ;)

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Freerails very own zen master of the industrial apocalypse look is a Holt fancier for sure !

Me ? ... If it aint yella, I aint interested ! :P  ;)

Well ... with a sprinkling of iron oxide of course ... all in good time !

I was kinda looking for something a bit like the Caterpillar TEN myself.



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Woodie, you've totally bamboozled me with your mooodern tech dozer blade mods !

I'll be darned if I aint thinking about a bit of blade myself now ! L:

Anyway, gotta find a name for this new dozer driver dude.

He used to be a Ruskie officer, but is having his medals from Stalin carved orf !



I haven't had time for dozing on the job though, more car builds to plough on with.

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How about Dozy Dmitry. He looks like he's nodding off!

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" Si, since you love the RH&DR, you need an old book that I cherish...
"Little Railways of the World" by Fredrick Shaw.
It should be available on the cheap, most nitpickers, er..modelers don't know about this one.
BTW, it has info on the Gilpin and SCPA&M."


Howdy Woodie :cb:


Well you know what, I did wonder how come they know so much about Kents famous little big railway over there in Texas !

I actually do remember you mentioning this book before as well.

So...

...you haven't cost me enough this month in omnibus kits etc, so I had a look on Amazon.

Nope not a sniff, a few in the U.S. but none here.



But, as luck would have it, 1 dusty copy on eBay of all places, a few Dinero later...

...Dave the postman launched it at me a couple of days ago !

Thanks Dave ! :cool:


What a great book ! :bg:


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If you look at the map on Page-1, My Grandmothers place was right next to the 'mainline' at St. Marys Bay !

Much time spent in those there parts in my youfff ! ;)

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" How about Dozy Dmitry. He looks like he's nodding off! "


Hi Doug :wave:


Yeah ... yer right, Dmitry is dozed off fer sure !


That laid back Ruskie is what we wanted for M.M.M.s wreckin' crew !


He just needs a comfy seat & he's got the job !


More MEK sniffing required . . .


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M m m . . . ?



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Herbaceous borders . . . ?

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Don't tell me, your 'dozer's gonna be overhead electric powered! ;)

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It has the look of two foot gauge.  Possible Death Valley's 'Baby Gauge'.


http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=22039

http://www.ttrr.org/dv_text/bg_p01.html


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Yep, the "Baby Gauge" at Furnace Creek is a 2 footer.

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Si  who needs a pantograph if you can do it like this:old dude: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unhXEQQk8G8 Cor

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love the switch 0:35. is either end of the rail anchored?

the loco seems to run smoother through the puddles. at least the driver has his bump-cap.

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Yep, that old video prompted a lot of interest several years back on the 1:32/35 Yahoo website, many posts pondered how such an operation could be replicated. Probably those scales and larger would be the only feasible ones that might offer the most important spark between the power line and the positive wire in the driver's hand. One fellow posted that he had built a model which had a fiber optic coming from the guy's hand and it would "flicker" like the spark as it ran. Never did see this model (like many things on the net) and after about 100 posts, the subject changed.
BUT-anyone here eager to build something like the loco (we called it Old Sparky) and its' funky train? I think it could be done...but not by me!

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Hi Guys :wave:


I don't seem to have Posted THAT much of late.
But I have been pretty busy on a load of different models !


My work on them however has been very random, If I get stuck on one, I have just quickly picked up the next one & started working on that.
Saves wasting a lot of time 'looking & wondering' !


Woodie has made me think, maybe I should fit the faux Caterpillar TEN with a dozer blade after all.
Hydraulic or cable-lift, who knows, I do like the cable-lift mods though Woodie !
So that has gone to one side for the moment, whilst 'the shop' figures it all out !!


Anyway, more car-builds are on the bench as well.
But I have also been messing with a few Ford & GAZ Model-T and A, AA, and AAA trucks.
So I thought I'd Post a bit of stuff about them.


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On 29 January of 1932 the first GAZ-AA truck was produced, the most numerous truck of WWII.
For its 1.5 ton cargo capacity, people called it “Polutorka” (“one and a half”).
The truck was incredibly durable, easily maintained, with excellent all terrain capabilities, and running on low octane fuel.
The legendary “Polutorka”, together with the T-34 tank and the Katyusha rocket launcher, became one of the great symbols of the Great Patriotic War.


( From the Zvezda 1:35 GAZ truck instructions )






Essentially a Ford Model-A truck, made under license in the Soviet Union.


Estimates vary, but between 1932 to 1949/50 something like 985,000 to 1,000,000 units were produced !


More truck talk SOON !


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As the Model-T and TT became obsolete and needed to be replaced, Henry Ford began initial designs on the Model-A and Model-AA in 1926. Basic chassis layout was done rapidly and mechanical development was moved forward quickly. Body design and style was developed and then outsourced to various body manufacturers, including Briggs and Murray. The designs of the Model-A shared parts and materials with the Model-AA, notably the body, engine and interior. The AA usually received plainer interiors than their car counterparts. The Model-AA followed similar design changes to the Model-A during the AA's four years in production, often delayed anywhere from three to nine months.


The Model-AA is powered by the same 201-cubic-inch (3.3 L) engine I4 engine that the Model-A. The engine produced a maximum of forty H.P. at 2,200 R.P.M. The engine featured an up-draft carb. six-volt generator, 2-blade fan, mechanical water pump, mechanical oil pump, electric starter and four-row radiator. All of these features were identical to the Model-A except the radiator. The engine could also be crank started if necessary by a hand crank that is inserted through a hole in the radiator shell. The Model-AA was based on a chassis that was similar in design to the Model-A, except it was substantially larger and heavier to accommodate the work this truck was designed for.


Thr Model-AA has a four-speed manual gearbox. The transmission is geared lower than the Model-A to provide more power to move a loaded truck. This lower gearing reduced the top speed of the truck when compared to the Model-A. The transmission also featured a lock-out on the shift knob for reverse that required a lever to be activated with the thumb so reverse could be engaged. This was done to prevent accidental engagement of reverse while the truck was in motion. Early trucks had a worm gear rear-end that limited the top speed of the truck. That rear-end was replaced by a ring and pinion differential to improve the speed of the truck. Later models were fitted with braces on the outer casing of the rear-end to provide additional support to the rear-end housing.


The suspension of the AA Truck was similar to the Model-A in the front end. A leaf spring is centered in the front ‘A’ frame over the front axle. Shocks were available for the front end. The rear suspension differed from the Model-A, The AA had leaf springs mounted to the chassis and shackled to the rear axle. The rear suspension did not have shocks.


The controls in the Model-AA are entirely mechanical, except the windscreen wipers in later models. The brakes are mechanical and the truck has four oversized drum brakes to stop the vehicle. The mechanical system is a pull lever system that applies the force from the pedal to a pivot that pulls the brake rods that expand the brakes in the drums. The brake light is activated when the brake pedal is pushed. The brakes are proportioned more toward the rear drums. The parking brake is a chrome lever on the floor with a release button on the top. The windshield wipers started as hand operated and later models were powered by vacuum diverted from the intake manifold. The horn button is mounted in the middle of the steering wheel assembly. Controls for the lights are also incorporated into the steering assembly. The switch was a three-stop switch for parking lights, headlights and high-beams. The tail-light lens colors on the AA underwent several changes during the production run. Two levers are mounted on the steering column to adjust the engine. The left lever controls the manual advance of the timing. Adjusting the timing of the engine changes the time that a spark will occur in the combustion chamber and those changes affect the performance of the engine. The right lever is a manual control for the throttle. The throttle can be adjusted to ease the shifting of the transmission and the idling speed of the engine. Underneath the dash on the right side is the choke rod. The choke can adjust the flow of fuel from the carburetor into the engine. Turning the knob on the choke rod clockwise closes the fuel flow, leaning out the engine; turning the knob counterclockwise opens the fuel flow to the engine.


The gauge cluster includes three basic gauges. The cluster is in a diamond formation, with the start key and pop-out locking switch is on the left point. The top of the cluster holds the gas gauge, which directly connects into the gas tank, behind the dashboard. The right point holds the amp gauge, which shows the charge rate of the generator. The bottom of the dash holds the speedometer and odometer. Additional gauges can be mounted below the cluster if desired.


During the production of the Model-AA, the wheels were also changed. Spoked wheels similar in appearance to Model-A wheels but much heavier were used during 1928–1929. Twenty inch 6 slot disc wheels were produced by Budd for Ford. In 1930, a new style 20 inch 5 slot disc wheel was adopted. These wheels were used for 1930 and part of 1931. The final wheels were a further modification of the 1930 wheel, with a raised center to reinforce the wheels and allow spacing of dual wheels in the rear so the tires would not rub against each other. The dual wheels were used for a variety of body styles, including dump trucks, tow trucks, tankers, fire trucks, and flatbed stake trucks. Wheel nuts changed with each new style of wheel to meet the changes made in the designs of the wheel. Special wheels were produced for ambulances, buses, and funeral coaches.


The Model-AA was available with a number of options. Two wheelbases were available, 131.5 inches (3,340 mm) and 157 inches (4,000 mm). Various body styles were available on different chassis.


The Model-A was available in a variety of body styles from the Ford Corporation. Specialty bodies include: Funeral Coach, Ambulance, Express Pickup, Dump Truck, and a cab without a bed. The cab only model was sold to customers who wanted a custom body to be built by an after-market company. Corporations could have custom paint and other modifications made by Ford for fleets of vehicles. The U.S. Postal Service purchased a fleet of vehicles from Ford that had custom built bodies by outside builders.


Ford licensed the manufacture of the Model-A and AA to a variety of nations, notably the Soviet Union. More than 985,000 GAZ-AAs were built in USSR from 1932 to 1950. The GAZ version had a cargo capacity of 1,500 kg (3,300 lb). A model with stronger 50 HP engine and wartime simplifications is often named GAZ-MM, after the engine.


In October 1931 a Model-AA was the first vehicle produced at Ford's own new Dagenham plant in England.


The Model-AA was also built in several nations in mainland Europe under license from the Ford Corporation.


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very helpful information; thank you

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Si, that Zvezda kit is pretty nice. As I recall, it has a detailed motor/transmission that could be used as "detail" since the hood would probably be closed unless you wanted to depict the truck being worked on...or if you were just anal enough to think "well, I'd know it was there"... My model was one of those which didn't stand the Texas sun outdoors and became kinda twisted & funky!

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" Si, that Zvezda kit is pretty nice. As I recall, it has a detailed motor/transmission that could be used as "detail" since the hood would probably be closed unless you wanted to depict the truck being worked on...or if you were just anal enough to think "well, I'd know it was there"... My model was one of those which didn't stand the Texas sun outdoors and became kinda twisted & funky! "


Howdy Woodie :cb:


The 'twisted & funky' look is quite difficult to achieve I find.
I do like it though !
Perhaps I could mail you mine, and you could put it in the back yard for a year or two. :shocked:


I thought Michael could be interested in the Zvezda kit, as a cool 1:35 vehicle.
A possible railtruck victim for sure, the Zvezdas simplicity lends itself to conversion/perversion !


I do seem to recall Woodie saying this about the fit of some of the kits parts at the time.

" %$£&?@% Zvezda cab won't !*$&%£ fit in the *£%$ chassis twisted &*%$ it !! "

;)

Checking out the Zvezda kit on Armorama.com, some of the military vehicle boffins over there, did say that the kit had been 're-tooled' since an earlier version & the fit of some of the parts had been improved !

Anyway, there have been loads of good builds of this kit, so it can work out OK.

You certainly can't really complain about the price of it ! :bg:


I have assembled the engine, which is a pretty nice 'detail', & no it aint going under the hood, It's destined for some kind of workshop scene in the future.
I have also got the chassis & rear made up as well, sorry no pics yet of that.

I am still working on the cab though.
I had this to say about it the other night.

" %$£&?@% Zvezda cab won't !*$&%£ fit in the *£%$ chassis twisted &*%$ it !! "

Mmm...
Maybe I've got the 'twisted & funky' look without the Texan sun !

What I would say about it is this.
START WITH THE ROOF !
Don't begin by gluing the doors & engine-bay to the chassis/fenders piece.
If it don't line up proper like when it's done, you can always sand the bottom flat.
You can't do much about anything, if any possible gaps are toward the roof !!



As you can see, EXTREME measures are being used ! ... & the pressure is ON !!

1:35 military vehicle cabs aint the easiest of things to assemble anyway I've found.
But the Zvezda cab will earn you a 'medal of honour' if you manage it !!

Go on BUY ONE ! ... It's only 15 Quid ... You can't even get a pair of Bachmann trucks for that !!


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Possible article of interest the Mar issue of Continental Modeller, is a article combining NG railways and the MASH 4077 in 1/35th scale. My issue will not show up till the end of Mar here in the GWN.

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Hi Ken :wave:

Thanks for the tip off on the C .M. feature.

I checked it out in the mag. shop today.

An interesting 'foldable ?' diorama/layout fer sure.

Looked at the pix.

Didn't buy though, as would have cost me the price of 4 cream-crackered Tri-ang wagons ! ;)

( tight wad )

+ P&P of course !! :f:


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We were trying to keep this lil' section of M.M.M. entirely FORD related !

Oh well ... Sorry, the random feed at M.M.M. is here to stay !

What I like about Freerails though is ... Yer put a pic. up, & peoples say stuff about it !

The locomotive crane project IS progressing though ! ( more pix. to follow )

Problem/advantage is, more crane parts for BUTCHERING have arrived at the M.M.M. shops !



Dozey Dmitry pays little attention to the NEW arrivals, as he is content to relax in the faux Caterpillar TEN !!

The yellow/blue lil' number is a vintage die-cast 'Dinky Toys' Yard Crane.

The red one is a 'Hornby Dublo' die-cast wrecking-crane ( probably not the right term ? ! ).

HOLY COW !

More crane bits !

Yep !

They will be used fer sure, but for WHAT ?

Who knows ... The M.M.M. shops are still tryin' to work it out !! :shocked:


Couple o' Bucks on evilBay...

...what could I say, as a CRANE FANATIC !!


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I do like some of 'the history' with these old finds. :bg:

In particular, the vintage adverts & catalogue pages. :cool:




'Meccano Magazine' advert, possibly Christmas 1952 ?



Whoever decided to paint the base BLUE ! though... :shocked:

...needed to face the firing-squad outback, at Dinky H.Q. ! ;)




1957 Meccano Catalogue.


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Hi Si, that was a great find, I didn't know Meccano were into those toys for model trains before my time and the Hornby O scale  accessories, at least they were built to last, I still have my Hornby 0 scale clock work tank loco still works well would hate to lose the key hard to find a replacement.
Model Rarilroader put their first mags on digital format right back to 1934 to present day  took me a year to read every mag and as you say the adds in the mags and the price 20 cents.
You still have cold weather in the in the UK still under 10 degrees ouch we are cooling down now, the next couple of day be in the mid 30's, I have been busy laying track on the station modules, never ending.
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" I didn't know Meccano were into those toys for model trains "


Hi Tony :wave:


Well in fact, 'Hornby', 'Meccano', and 'Dinky', were essentially all the same company.

The 3 brands were all started by Frank Hornby & all made at his factory in Liverpool.


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Wolfgang seems to have found another Ford truck to mess with !

This time a nice 'Matchbox Models Of Yesteryear' Ford-T tanker !!





HOLY COW ! :shocked:

He must have used a whole tin of 'Brasso' on those lamps & jazz ! ;)

&

Guess what ? ... Next thing is ... He TRASHES the entire vehicle !  :shocked:   :cool:


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I get my 'Medal Of Honour' by the way. ;)

Last thing Sunday night, I did actually get the final part of that damn Zvezda Ford-AA cab MEKed on ... STRAIGHT !!


AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH !!

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Evening Si, what you find out love these forums, actually Hornby are a lot bigger not, didn't they buy Marklin, Lima, Rivarossi and Jouef, but sadly made in China. I was happy about Horny doing a rerun of Aussie Lima passenger double the price in the $70 mark make it a very expensive passenger train indeed, would love a set of Ghan coaches as well, is Hornby still owned by the family.

I like the older trucks, what does the UK call those small trucks we call them utes, I have a set of the old time cars in HO scale.

My track laying of the station modules is coming along nicely got some more pics to post today, then that bad bus wiring job, never ending.

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Well, I would use the tank for a tank...maybe on a support structure. I would put a new cab roof on her. Then I would paint it black, black as night. I want you to paint it, paint it black...oh, that's the Stones...Then I may build a wood stake body for the backside. Oh, but that's your model!
I want to see the sun blotted out from sight...

As Chuck Berry would say-"too much monkey business!"

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I messed with my truck and got this......... Peter.

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No. Märklin is no longer owned by the locust Kingsbridge, but by a solid German firm, the Simba-Dickie Group.
Speaking of the Hornby Conglomerate - at least here in Germany response to customer inquiries leaves a lot to be desired.

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" I messed with my truck and got this... "


Hi Peter :wave:


AWESOME railbus ! :moose::moose::moose::moose::moose:


A great example of how many things can be 'up/down scaled'.

The Ford-T cab is really very small in 1:35, so for a 'medium' in I'm guessing 1/4" it works very well.


I was surprised at the 'T' cab size in fact.

I thought the Matchbox diecast might be a bit small.

But it is exactly the same size as my other 'T' which is a WWI military 1:35 kit by 'R.P.M'

Been MEKing that sucker some as well. :bg:


Nice colours also Peter ! :bg: ... & the No.9 spot ! :cool: ... My lucky number !! :moose:


I think I spot a Bachy On30 arch-bar truck up front. :shocked:

I'm just modding one here, with electrical pickup for the GAZ-AA Ford clone.

Yep ! ... I think it's gonna be some kinda rusty railtruck.

That Ford/Stalin got a thick styrene front truck mount, comfy drivers seat & firewall today.


More soon . . .


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PAINT IT BLACK !

Hi Mick ... I mean Howdy Woodie :cb:

A slightly modified 'Models Of Yesteryear' T-tank, is sitting on flanges & a scratchbuilt underframe in the M.M.M carshop as I speak ! :shocked: :cool:

& yes ...

... gonna PAINT IT GONNA PAINT IT GONNA PAINT IT BLACK !! :pimp:

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Here's my old "GAZ" all goofed up as a rail truck. Sad to say, one day I noted that she had warped and went to s%^t in the sun! The trucks went on to power the MRy's gas/mechanical #6.

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Hello Si,I feel so honoured with five mooses,the rail bus was built from left over bits after shortening Bachmann coaches .Well spotted on the front bogie,it'a little bit too big but will change to something smaller later on.The red colour is supposed to be caboose red,but I think caboose pink is more appropiate,the colour scheme is based on the Tasmanian Government  Railways,as they used to be..............Peter. 

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Mystic Woodie & his crystal ball saw it all as clear as the morning after a few Shiners ! ;)

& a couple of Rolling Stones LPs of course !!


:shocked:


The Ford-T tank DID get bumped on to the M.M.M carshops new '5 Year Plan' to equip the railroad with ... YEP ... More tankcars !



I actually built this lil' batch of 4 underframes around Christmas/New Year.

Just haven't gotten a round to Posting the pix. yet.


:f:


This is half way through the build & the only pic. with the ex Ford-T tank in it.

Some more wood has been added since.

The cars are made kinda like 'disconnect styleee' & run on modified Tri-ang diecast trucks, with Hornby 8-spoked metal wheelsets, running in DIY set-screw bearings.


Got the idea from N.A.S.A ! ;)


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GONNA PAINT IT GONNA PAINT IT GONNA PAINT IT PAINT IT BLACK . . .


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Si. wrote: Mystic Woodie & his crystal ball saw it all as clear as the morning after a few Shiners ! ;)

& a couple of Rolling Stones LPs of course !!




When I need inspiration I listen to Janis Joplin.  That might explain a lot about my modeling! "my friends all drive Porsches............."

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Ah! Now I see what the Matchbox oil tank was for! So the new cab and chassis remains should be making an appearance soon then!
By the way Si. You're dam**d neat and tidy. I wish I could keep my workspace like that!

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" Ah!
Now I see what the Matchbox oil tank was for!
So the new cab and chassis remains should be making an appearance soon then! "


Hi Doug :wave:

Sooner than you think ! ;)

Although Wolfie hasn't quite finished ruining his 'highly collectable' diecast YET !


( I'm exaggerating with the 'highly collectable' I guess, it was £0.99p ... + P&P of course :f:
Looks like the Royal Mail shareholders are drinking Dom Perignon again this year ! )





I mean, there's no reason of course, why one couldn't 'collect' the Matchbox Ford-T.

It just ain't worth $4!7


I did actually buy a 'Pepsi-Cola' van version as well.

Serious 50% price hike, to about £1.50p with that lil' baby !


& also a small something for all the 'collectors' out there !

The original ZEROLENE tank-back model !!

That 'HIGHLY COLLECTABLE' livery, could set you back the cost of a pint ! ;)

Unboxed that is.


Whatever you do though.

DON'T DRILL OFF THE RIVETS UNDER THE ENGINE, DOORS, OR TAILGATE !!

Cos it will all fall apart ! ... Aint no sucker gonna 'collect' that pile o' tin now !!


Next Wolfie gets back to work.

Ripping out the seats & trashing the wheels and suspension. :shocked:


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Si.


" By the way Si.
You're dam**d neat and tidy.
I wish I could keep my workspace like that! "


Doug, I can manage to keep the area of an A5 cutting-mat pretty damn tidy.

If you want photos of the crap all around it, on the floor, ramming the shelves & in cardboard boxes...
...let me know !

;)

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Hi Si. I hope by "ripping out the seats and trashing the wheels and suspension" you mean carefully removing them and salting away in the bits box! They're bound to come in useful on another model at some time in the future even if not on this one.

I used a Ford model T car which had skinny car sized wheels and tyres as a basis for Updah's O scale security truck and used the chunkier tyres, wheels and seats from a Matchbox Rosella van similar to yours (£1.50 on eBay!) to beef it up a bit having pinched the general design from, I think, a Tom Yorke model I saw on eBay for some huge cost.


d (1) by slateworks, on Flickr


d (2) by slateworks, on Flickr


d (3) by slateworks, on Flickr

Other than the basic chassis, bonnet and radiator, the body's made up just with foamboard, card and balsa, not my usual material but a few Archers rivets hide its origins!


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How much dough they got inside ?

& what's the route ?


I can see a weak point in the rear doors riveting !

We can open it up like a can of beans !!

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" the body's made up just with foamboard, card and balsa "



See Doug...

...I told you we could break in to that tub no problem !


They must operate in a nice area...

...in my 'hood they'd have the solid-gold door handle off in a second !


Some goof has left a huge ingot on the running board as well !!


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" I hope by "ripping out the seats and trashing the wheels and suspension"
you mean carefully removing them and salting away in the bits box! "



Wolfgang is a bit of a hoarder of detail-parts.

His bits box contains all manner of useless items ! :Crazy:

Don't worry, those finescale Matchbox wheels aint goin' in the garbage !!





Wolfie had to resort to the 1:1 high-tensile bolt-cutters to get those toughened axles off. :shocked:

The rear tank went off to the M.M.M carshop, to have some styrene patching added.


Question is what to do with this coveted collectors item ?

Time to refer to that valuable computer file labeled ...

... JOSES CLAPPED OUT RAILTRUCK PHOTOS


;)


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Whilst grappling with the Zvezda cab assembly, I plonked it on a nearby M.M.M flatcar.

Oh boy ... Does THAT look stooopid, I thought at the time, & photographed it !! :cool:

That pic's on the other 'puter ... so  l  a  t  e  r  .  .  .


But looking in my special folder of Joses rust-buckets today...

...this horrendous lash-up struck me, like a nasty virus ! ;)





I guess it's been made on an old Heisler geared steam frame ! :shocked:

That step-ladder leading to the cab looks like a real hazard...

...esp. with the door opening OUTWARDS !! :f:


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Railtruck model update later.

Been working on the electrical pickup for a couple of railtruck/bus front trucks . . .


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" By the way Si. You're dam**d neat and tidy. I wish I could keep my workspace like that! "


Hi again Doug :wave:


You talkin' to ME ?? :f:


I have been trying to get more oranizized.

You know, like those signs they have in offices. :Crazy:


Modeling isn't easy working in chaos.

I stopped short though, of 50 pushups and 50 pullups in the morning & holding my hand over an open gas-flame...

...& instead, just got some cheap plastic-boxes, that have worked out pretty good for me.





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After suffering cardboard boxes & this and that, for far too long.

I found that these VERY CHEAP clear plastic-boxes, designed for A5 paper 500 sheet reams, are perfect for getting my scratchbuilding stuff much more organizized.

I bought 10, and have binned some of the cardboard boxes from ongoing kits.

The scratchbuilding projects, like 'small tankcars' are all now in 1 box.

They all stack up really well, so you can find stuff quickly & easily.

The lids keep the dust out, and are the same as the bottoms, just a bit bigger & make cool trays when off.

I got 10 of the A4 paper 500 sheet ream size as well, they are working great also


This one in the photo, is now much much more organizized. ;)





" Let me tell you something.
I have learned more about America from riding in taxi cabs than in all the limos in the country.
Can I ask you something, Travis ? "





" Well, uh, I think I know what you mean Travis.
But it's not gonna be easy.
We're gonna have to make some radical changes."



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Well ... the Zvezda Ford/GAZ-AA cab is actually now ASSEMBLED !





Lurking in the background is a new Ford V8 engine ... Better pic later.


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In building these 1:35 military kits, you normally get a pretty cool engine with them !


The blurry Ford V8 is now assembled as well, from an I.C.M 1:35 truck kit.


This engine is getting bumped over to my locomotive-crane project...

...which has needed a top-notch power-plant for some time.


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These bus kits from MiniArt can cost THE EARTH !


But...


...a nice dude on eBay had TWO ! for an absolute BARGAIN PRICE !


You already guessed !


Mysterious Moose Mountain now owns 2 clapped out army buses !


Now what on earth would they want with TWO !


Mmm...


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Just in case I haven't got enough KIT CHAOS at the M.M.M shops...


...I thought I'd give the Ruskie Ford engine a whirl !


Chief test officer DAC-man, bench tests the 4 cylinder Ford motor.


The MiniArt engine is INCREDIBLY detailed...


...and you simply would not believe how long it took to build it ! :shocked:


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Ear protection & fire extinguishers are of course ALWAYS at hand ! ;)

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Seeing too many 1/35 stuff lately. And I am thinking. Not a very good $$$ combination...
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Hi Jose :wave:


Sorry, but I couldn't disagree with you more ! ;)


1:35 railroading can be as affordable as you want it to be...

...& believe me, I WANT IT TO BE !


Yeah, the bus kits go for BIG $$$ if you get 'em from some megabucks military model supplier at RRP.

These lil' babys on eBay cost me £16 each inc. P&P

You can't even buy a pair of On30 trucks in the U.K. for that.

These kits represent hours & hours of hobby time as well, by the time I have converted them.

How much an hour ? ... I dunno, but can't possibly be more than £0.50p an hour absolute TOPS ! at the speed I work at.


Zvezda Ford-AA truck kit £15 inc P&P ... Hours of hobby conversion fun.

Mirror Models Caterpillar D7 tractor kit £20 inc P&P ... Not HOURS but DAYS of, I was gonna say FUN...

...but you aint tried assembling the individual track links !!


Trucks ... Hornby spoked metal wheelsets £0.70p each on eBay.

Truck frames ... around £1 - £3 a pair, depending on what kinda bargain you can find.

Solid diecast Tri-ang Railways truck frames, built to last a lifetime in the swingin' '60s...

...& they do !

Bachmann On30 trucks in the UK inc P&P ... around £20 a pair !!


Other HO/OO stuff will work as well.

Plenty around, even in the U.K.

2nd hand on eBay prices, a steal is there to be had !


Figures ... I have loads & have paid on average around £1 - £2 per figure.

Sure you can burn the VISA card on 3D-printed & 1 off expensive resin-casts.

But why bother ? ... There are a tons of nice figures from Tamiya, I.C.M, MiniArt etc. for peanuts on eBay.


Wood ... Cheap as chips.

Styrene ... A bit more expensive than chips, but still CHEAP.


I dunno what Bachmann On30 freight cars go for in the U.S. ...

...but you couldn't even buy ONE here for the price on my TWO bus kits !! :shocked:


I simply gotta say, compared to the many other scales I've messed with in the past...

...scratchbuilding & kitbashing in 1:35n2 is REALLY REALLY cheap !!



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SI: I have SEVERAL lifetimes supplies and unbuilt kits of anything you may possibly dream off. There are a few ships, lotsa 1/24 cars, a few 1/8 Pochers, a few planes, HO railroad items, downloaded paper models intended to be used as plans to scrathbuild modified versions, and ... and... and a G scale Bachmann train set to be reworked. Do I really NEED more?. (Sigh) Probably yes... And there is also this thing called internet...
I just don't have time to die...
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" I just don't have time to die..."



Yeah ... I know what you mean !


I aint planning to 'check out' till I've finished the monument !!


I don't want one of those CHEAP eBay ones on top of my hole.



In the meantime ... we gotta ... FINISH THE DAMN STACK OF KITS !! ;)


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Here's an idea...get rid of the kits and scratch everything! Then when the reaper calls, you won't burden anybody with boxes of crap, just a layout with crap!

Hoo Ha...

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get rid of the kits and scratch everything

That will make it worse, because instead of worthless good-looking kits they will be stuck with worthless crappy copies with "sentimental value".
Thanks for the help anyway.
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I'll chime in.  So far I have not found 35n2 to be anywhere near as expensive as HO, Lionel/MTH, and G scale equipment.  HO is plentiful and much of it can be used for track, trucks, etc.  Especially the used stuff picked up at train shows or off eBay.

But, at least in my case, I'm not acquiring a stack of kits like I did when I modeled in HO.  I've got boxes full of Lionel that have never seen the light of day since I brought it home from the hobby shop.

For my fictional 35n2 very short-line narrow gauge railroad somewhere out in western Nevada/eastern California I just don't need much in the way of rolling stock.  One little gas powered critter is under construction right now, plus a small 0-4-0 is on the drawing board.  Throw in about 8-10 hoppers/flats/boxcars and I'm in business.  All I need to buy are some used HO trucks and couplers, and the rest I scratch build.  Maybe each costs me $8-10 in total materials. 

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Hi Michael :wave:


OK the Bachmann Shay & Porter I bought at the start of my project, did cost some Dinero.

But no more than an On30 project one would have cost.


The heavy duty flatcar, which was my first build, cost...

...nothing for the wood, which was cut from a plank on my table saw...

...nothing for the HO diecast trucks, which I already had...

...£2.50 for the Kadee/Hornby wheelsets & £2.50 for the San Juan Car Co. Evolution Couplers.


Jose has got me a bit worried though Michael. :f:


I think he must be a millionaire using $1 worth of glue on his latest project.

It could be good advice though.

I'm thinking that the $0.05c of glue I used on my heavy duty flatcar may not be enough.


How much glue are you using Michael ?

I don't think I've heard Woodie mention glue EVER !

Maybe he's not using any at all ?

How's your stuff holding up ?

Has any of it fallen apart yet ?


The San Juan Car Co. CLAIM their couplers are strong enough to pull a string of 100 cars.

This might be true.

But I have no way of knowing if my gluing is gonna hold up with that kinda load. ;)


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Well ... Not quite the same 'kettle of fish' ...


... but ...


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Wolfgang did check out the partly 'welded' Zvezda GAZ-AA faux Ford cab ...


... on one of the 2 new underframes for our ouside-braced car builds !





Mmm ...


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Finally after 'welding' at most 2 parts each day, to avoid warping etc. ( & tantrums ! )


The precision-made ;) Russian kit parts do indeed resemble a Ford-AA cab !! :P





Wolfgang, standing next to the nearly empty MEK bottle looks on ...


... as Dozey Dmitry ( the grey BLOB ) our new 'sitting/driving supermodel' poses in the luxury cab interior !


The cab has been glued so that it can easily be removed from the chassis/fenders piece.


This means I can install the steering wheel, ashtray & CD-changer later on. :bg:


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Next up ...


...our lil' plastic space dude, DAC-man, is in orbit at present, so Wolfie gets to check out the NEW faux Ford engine himself !


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Jose has got me a bit worried though Michael. :f:
I think he must be a millionaire using $1 worth of glue on his latest project.


The whole point is that I don't want to buy MORE stuff until I make at least a small dent in the gigantic pile of crap I have already. Wife wholeheartedly agrees...
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" Wife wholeheartedly agrees..."


Hi Jose :wave:


I know what yer mean bruv.

I have been told that women are much wiser than men ( mostly by women ! ) ;)

Still, it could be true...

...when have I ever met a women with an INSANE stack of kits waiting to be built ?


If you know any, P.M. me their phone number...

...I could offer to help & build a few.

Might save me some Dinero on evilBay !

I'm only interested in 1:35 scale chicks though.

Or maybe HO ones, as long as they dig swingin' '60s Tri-ang :shocked:


It sounds like you're winning anyway Jose.

Good to be making small dents in a gigantic pile...

...rather than gigantic dents in a small pile, in my view.

Not sure if the Misses would agree though.


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BTW ... I'm gonna start using MORE GLUE as of today . . . I can afford a buck $1

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BTW ... I'm gonna start using MORE GLUE as of today . . . I can afford a buck $1

Just use it as intended...
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I use Super Glue Gel.  I have a 5/8 ounce tube that still have a little glue left in it.  I got it at the 99 Cent Store, and it cost me 99 cents plus sales tax.  I inherited a large stack of basswood and balsa from someone that use to build model planes.



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I have been told that women are much wiser than men

so why they keep marrying men?


  ...when have I ever met a women with an INSANE stack of kits waiting to be built ?

They don't collect kits, they buy nice cars and houses...

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Ran across an interesting 1/35th kit today.  You 1/35th modelers may already be aware of it. It is a Thunder Models US Army small Case tractor.  Also available with a front end loader.  Really nice looking kit.
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nice: http://forum.largescalemodeller.com/topic/4915-thundermodel-135-us-army-tractor-case-vai/

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Hi Bob :wave:


You know what I don't like about Freerails. :f:

You guys keep coming up with great ideas on how to extend my 'kit stack'. :shocked: ;)

It does look like a pretty cute lil' machine !

Hard to resist these smaller prototypes in largish 1:35





So I just HAD to check out what the front-loader version looked like ! :cool:


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I've decided to compete with Jose for the 'tallest kit stash award' ;)

Maybe after the dough that Woodie cost me the other week though ...

... YES confessions of a 'kit stash' hoarder !

BUT ... I have done LOADS on the kit Woodie tempted me with . . . :bg:


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Hi Southpier :wave:


Arh ! ... nice link, Thanks.

Just been doing a bit of nosing around as you were Posting that.


I'm thinking about dropping the VISA-card through the gap in the floorboards at the moment. ;)


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" OK ... I'll come straight with you Doc.

YES I do have a 'kit habit' ! ... What can I do to cure it ? "





" Just keep taking the tablets ... & avoid too much MEK and eBay ! "


Sorry no pix. on this one quite yet.

But Woodie tempted me some time ago with the vintage Airfix Omnibus re-release !

I did good as well ... Held out for a few months ... & then BOOM !

BARGAIN ! ... £14 inc. P&P on eBay. great price !

I just couldn't say NO !


In fact I built this one as a kid, back in the groovy '70s. :cool:

But stooopidly gave it away a few years back, before I started in 1:35n2


She's coming along pretty nice !

A change from the Ford trucks & good to be doing, as parts do need a long drying time.


I don't think the top-deck is gonna get made.

The nice 1/4 spiral-stairs simply HAVE to go on a future something though.

Question at the moment is ... To RAILBUS or not to RAILBUS ?


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You get 5 really quite nice figures in this Airfix kit as well ... BARGAIN !


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Hey Si,Can you use the Airfix Dennis firetruck that was the companion to the bus??? 

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AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH !! :f:


Hi John :wave:


WHAT ARE YOU GUYS TRYING TO DO TO ME ! ?


The Dennis Fire Truck...

... Oh dear ... Oh dear oh dear ... Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

Yes, the Dennis Fire Truck.


The Docs. therapy had erased that one from my memory...

...until you had to come along and mention it John !


THANKS A BUNCH !! :f:


;)


Si.


I'm just gonna HAVE to look on eBay now.

The tablets aint working.

I need more MEK and KITS ! :bg:

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You guys keep coming up with great ideas on how to extend my 'kit stack'.

The problem with stashed kits is, once you start assembling them, they magically expand their volumes (maybe 4 or more times than the original box) and became FRAGILE, so they NEED a display cabinet. When you have several CABINETS you need a HOBBY ROOM. After that the only viable solution is kicking out the SO and taking over the whole house. This is the part I didn't disclose yet...

To RAILBUS or not to RAILBUS ?

... and you looking for a support group?. Hell yes!!!. DO IT!!


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Hi Guys :wave:


Thanks for all the good kit input again.

Bob, that nice tractor is on my Christmas list !

John, Dennis 'the menace' might have to wait a while as well.

I see Airfix haven't re-released the Dennis fire-engine ... YET !

There are 1 or 2 vintage ones about, can be a few $$$ for 'em though.


Hell, I'm taking Joses advice & a 'sensible pill' for now...

...we may now never know if Joses or my kit-stack is the largest !! ;)


- - - - - - -


Anyway, with loads to get on with already...

...the kit that I am excited about at the moment, is the faux Ford-AA. :bg:


To RAILBUS or not to RAILBUS ? ... the London double-decker...

...that was the question...

...to RAILTRUCK or not to RAILTRUCK the faux Ford, is not a question any longer.


" Hell yes !!  DO IT !! " as Jose would say ! :cool:


Hell YES !! we be RAILTRUCKIN' that cheap ass Zvezda pile o' Russian rust !! (_!_)





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Well, the Zvezda looks like it's getting 'lectric-power & some FLANGES ! :bg:


" Hell yes !! "


So the 4 cylinder engine will get used elsewhere.


Wolfgang checks it out in any case ... Not a bad lil' plackey power plant ! :P





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I had a 1911 Dennis fire truck along with the double decker (2 n 1 kit). But alas, the Texas sun whopped up on the bus (photo on page 1 of the Mogollon thread) and the fire truck which became some nice junk at Tillman's Model T parts store. Wish I had them again but where the hell would I display them?
Ahhh, olden times...

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Having consulted the goldmine folder of rundown rusty old railtruck wrecks, on my 'puter ... L:

... labelled ' JOSES RUNDOWN RUSTY OLD RAILTRUCK WRECKS ' ;) ...

... I knew I needed a funky front archbar ! :mex:



The M.M.M carshop has quite a nice varied selection of trucks to mess with now.

Some 3D-printed, a number of different '60s diecast trucks & a bunch of others.

Well, in this case, the choice was easy, an 'insulated' plastic truck will make life electrically easy.

So for the time being, dumping the diecasts for a standard Bachmann On30 archbar was a good move.





I cut some phosphor-bronze strips, from a thin sheet of the 'springy' & electrically excellent metal.

Holes were punched through, using my very handy rotary leather punch.

Machine screw fixings are M3x8mm plated-brass slotted panheads.

The larger screw is an M4 threaded one for the On30 archbar mounting hole.


So far ... So good !


" HELL YEAH !  :cb:  RAILTRUCK TIME ! "


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Coming on a treat Si. Looking forward to seeing more of an assembly.

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But Si, what are the "bolster extenders" about? rather than hunker down, it seems to be hunker up?
Expiring minds may need to know...something!!

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" rather than hunker down, it seems to be hunker up? "


Howdy Woodie :cb:


Don't worry ... we're HUNKERING on down baby ! :cool:

I did try the hunker UP^ look ... but it was just too :pimp: !





I see what you mean though. :P

The previous archbar photo does look like some kinda MONSTER TRUCK transmission ! :shocked:

Truth is, I just left the phosphor-bronze strips 'long', so I could trim them once screwed to the bolsters ! :bg:





Shouldn't affect hunkering holmes ! ;)

I even used 'lo-pro' screws, for a few extra Thou. of HUNK !! :thumb:

I think the Ford-AA 'flange-mobile' will be lower running than the pneumatic version. :old dude:





Once I got the pickups mounted in place on the bolsters...

...I just trimmed the excess length with electrical side-cutters. :)


I'm saving the HUNKERED UP^^ pimp mobile & hoppin' hydros bouncy suspension look...

...for the Airfix omnibus ! :pimp: :pimp: :pimp: :pimp: :pimp:


;)


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I'm liking this more & more.

Keep it up Si!

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I did some pickup sliders on the past but used some piano wire instead of sheet copper, The copper caused too much drag.
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Hi Jose :wave:


Yeah ... drag is a thing to watch for, in un-motored cars with electrical pickups.

Thanks for reminding me of the music wire.

I was gonna try it a while back.

I have another pair of the Bachy On30 archbars I might try it on.


The phosphor-bronze is working well though & is nicely 'springy'.





Have since, swapped out the Bachy wheelsets, for nice 8-spoked Hornby R8098 ones.

The wires emerge from a pair of 1mm holes in the hollow bolsters.


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Looking good Si but it would look even better if you could photograph it without the window back light. I've noticed that in a few of your shots and wondered if it was a "style" thing.
I stand to be shot down though as I make the comment as a non-expert photographer!

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"the window back light. I've noticed that in a few of your shots and wondered if it was a "style" thing."


Hi Doug :wave:

Mmm ...
In a word ... Yes ! :cool:


" it would look even better if you could photograph it without the window back light." :old dude:

OK





Just started here, to fill in the chassis at the front, for one of the new electrical pickup archbar trucks.





Have been modding the cab & engine bay some...
...and making a motor mount & rear axle setup.

More pix.  s  o  o  n  .  .  .


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" I make the comment as a non-expert photographer ! "

David Bailey . . . Who's he ?


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Sorry about the glass door in the background Doug. ;)


Some 'hunkering' going on here, just to reassure Woodie ... We keepin' it lo' bro. ! :cool:

Funky front archbar ... Hunkered in nicely ! :P





A bit more hunk needed at the rear end.

Yep ! ... She's on the level !

Yes, well spotted ... a Tri-ang diecast Brit. underframe from the '60s is the motor mount sub-frame. :bg:


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Gosh, you're da**ed neat and clean! Coming on a treat.

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Dang! I would think that your guys started out with my every day transport, from about 1956-1968, except the dents and  patchwork paint aren't there. Keep prodding them with a sharp stick, will you?

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" Gosh, you're da**ed neat and clean! "


Hi Doug :wave:

I think you're giving me a 'phobia' with all this " neat and clean " stuff.
I have been getting more organizized lately though, as you know.

I can keep the area of an A5 cutting-mat really clear & tidy...
...It's all the rest of my surroundings, that need throwing in a bin-bag !

;)


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" my every day transport, from about 1956-1968, except the dents and  patchwork paint "


Hi Herb :wave:

Don't suppose you have an original rust/paint-chip, for colour matching, do you ? :old dude:

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The gearhead micro-motor for the Ford-AA truck drive, is a recent ACE find on eBay.

The slightly unusual 'angled' gearbox, makes this ideal for a 'faux chain-drive' setup.
The assembly also fits between the Zvezda kit chassis members.

These are available with a 3mm shaft, in a number of different Voltages & R.P.M.s.
For the 'princely sum' of £4 inc P&P.





This really is a very very insy wincy teeny weeny lil' 4-cylinder Ford motor. ;)

Bench tested, the unit ran very nicely.

I think I got the 100 R.P.M at 12 Volts version ?

Things move . . . :slow: . . . :slow: . . . :slow: . . . :slow: . . . :slow: . . .  s  l  o  w  l  y  . . .

. . .  on Mysterious Moose Mountain. :mex:


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Si,
With that motor/gearbox setup at 100rpm it could be all torque and minimal adhesion/tractive effort unless you pack in a whole load of lead somewhere. Better dig out those old knurled Triang drivers !


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Si, if you run r/c then you can do like I did on my Model T rail truck-apply Pliobond or other contact cement to the treads on the drive wheels, let it dry a couple of days, and then the thing can drag itself and maybe a couple of cars up grade! Like traction tires, the adhesion is great!
My Model T has an old Grandt Micro-Mo motor/gearbox with 80:1 reduction and on 7.4 volts (2 cell Li Poly) she runs a sedate 7 MPH full out! She now has a proportional receiver but when I built her, she ran with a $7 toy r/c car board and the 2 cells and would run at about 5 MPH...no need for speed control there!

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Si,

I found a 6 volt DC 30rpm on eBay for only $2.95.  Looks like it would fit into some kind of home-built contraption.  Couldn't find any 12 volt.


Found a prototype that would match my poor modeling skills:  http://38.media.tumblr.com/cc25afbc194d8306b964895b7fa076f0/tumblr_nailfwiweb1qgvvn1o1_1280.jpg

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12v and going slow:slow::pimp:Cor

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I glued my cowboy boot sole back on with Pliobond. Still going strong. I have been eyeballing those motors for awhile.  I'm was just scared of the shipping to the states. Some hidden fees dutys and taxes.Stephen

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I have never had a problem buying small stuff from Fleabay, even when buying multiple pieces of an item, Sometimes slow delivery, but no import duty


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Bootlegbar,

I've never had a problem from ordering things off eBay from overseas.  It might take a while to get to you...several weeks to a month or two, but it eventually shows up.  Besides eBay offers buyer protection.

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Hi All,I bought some of these about a month ago and they arrived in 3 weeks.Nice and slow - lots of torque.  What I don't know is how they will hold up in the longrun. I bought enough to replace them if I need too.Cheeers,Marty

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Michael, that is one funky rail truck! If anybody wants some "curly spoke" wheels like that or what I used on my Model T, Grandt Line makes the wheels and small sprockets & chain (non operating) as "West Side Lumber Co. speeder wheels" in their O scale catalog.

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Just placed my order for a gear head micro-motor.  I'm following Si's progress to see how he puts everything together.  Mine will have that 'slapped together with baling wire and glue' kind of look.  I think I'll enclose that back to hide all the electronics and take another stab at R/C.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/cc25afbc194d8306b964895b7fa076f0/tumblr_nailfwiweb1qgvvn1o1_1280.jpg

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Hi Michael :wave:


If you're thinking about getting the Ruskie Ford...

...what the 'box art' doesn't show is that as well as the flat-bed...

...it comes with a 1-piece moulded 'canvas-top with metal-supports.


Perfect to easily remove & stash loads of microchips under.


Sounds like the plot to a Steven Segal movie !





I did some complex calculations on the back of a pack of Luckies...

...& concluded that the top speed would be in line with 'normal' backwoods prototypes. ;)


As for torque  .  .  .  :slow:


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This photo, without the fingers, shows the gearhead micro-motor nicely.

Dimensions are approx. 1/2" x 1" x 1" with a 3mm shaft.


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Si,

I just might pick up one of those Soviet trucks, but I still have my mind set on scratch building the body.

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Si,

I'm curious to see how you mount the motor.  Also, where did you find the pedestals for the rear wheels?

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Hi Michael :wave:


Well ... 'Spare parts' from the Zvezda kit so far, are...

...Ford engine, 7 wheels/tires, canvas-back, transmission & suspension parts.

All good junk for Wolfys critter-shop...

...which YES ! at last, I glued to his nice new white styrene floor last night !! :bg:





If you don't want to use the nice Ford cab & fenders, or the flatbed...

...you're just left with the Zvezda chassis...

...which if it doesn't need to 'connect' with the rest of the Ford bodywork...

...may just as well be made out of brass/styrene.


The Zvezda is a nice kit though, whether static or powered.

The cab IS a total 'puzzle' to assemble it has to be said, and easy to get WRONG.

Could just look 'funky' though.

;)

I do also have a MiniArt kit of the same vehicle as well.

The MiniArt chassis however, is 'finescale' & totally unsuitable for 'actual' use.

I nearly got diverted & started assembling the MiniArt cab last night as well...

...but I aint gettin' too diverted...


...it's ON WITH THE RUSTY RAILTRUCK ! at the M.M.M shops  .  .  .  :slow:


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Faux chain-drive pulley-wheels & chassis/pedestals, motor-mount next  .  .  .


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The 'faux chain-drive' is made from a silicone electrical sealing ring...

...& machined-brass model-boat pulley wheels, 8mm & 10mm dia.





I've used the 8mm pulley on the Hornby 8-spoked rear driving wheelset.

A 2mm hole, perfect for the Hornby axles, then 'long-set epoxied' in position.


On the gearbox-shaft, the 10mm pulley needed drilling out to 3mm.

Then was epoxied on to the shaft, PANICING as the epoxy  c r e p t  t o w a r d s  t h e  b e a r i n g  .  .  .  :slow:


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The motor-mount sub-frame is adapted from a British OO vintage 4-wheel wagon. :brill:

The diecast buffers, locators for the body & all the brake-gear ( Salada take note ! ) are sawn/filed off.


Leaving the 4 pedestals remaining, for a regular car-build chassis...

...or just leaving 2 pedestals as for the railtruck sub-frame.





This chassis is pretty SOLID and quite heavy, but slim also.

Wheelset bearings & motor-mount next.


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Where did you get the pulley wheels from?  Wiseman offers wheel pedestals both small and large in G scale.  Was thinking that the small pedestal might work.  Any other parts I might need?

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The original Tri-ang wheelsets are replaced with Hornby 8-spoke wheels on this similar chassis.

The holes in the diecast axle-boxes are tapped out with an M3 thread.

Cup-ended Allen-key set-screws M3x3mm are used as pinpoint bearing cups.


Wanna competition to see who has the 'longest spinning' wheelset ?

Forgetaboutit ... I'd win ! ;)





The railtruck sub-frame is exactly the same, only 2 wheels.


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Well that's a new one on me and sounds like a great idea. Must try those Allen key set screws next time I'm trying to get a free wheeling chassis together. You sound pretty confident - are they really that much better than brass traditionals?

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" Well that's a new one on me and sounds like a great idea.
Must try those Allen key set screws next time I'm trying to get a free wheeling chassis together.
You sound pretty confident - are they really that much better than brass traditionals? "


Hi Doug :wave:


When I realized that the Tri-ang Transcontinental diecast trucks appearance was great in 1:35n2...
...the first thing I looked at doing, was replacing the wheelsets.

It's not possible to fit a 26mm pinpoint-pinpoint modern wheelset, without this mod. though.
Just 'dreamed it up' one day, messing with some archbar truck parts on the bench.

Fairly quick & easy to do, once you've figured out how.
The result is of course totally adjustable & has as near ZERO friction as is possible.

By contrast, traditional brass bearings would have been impossible to fit or adjust.
The cost of the brass bearings is quite high as well, compared to £2 for 50x set-screws.

If I had a scratched loco chassis, with holes to suit, the traditional brass bearings would probably be best.
Screwing them into the deep Tri-ang axle-boxes is easier I guess than into say 2mm brass chassis sides.

I did buy some 5x2mm 2mm shaft dia. ball-races the other day to experiment with as well.
These crazily small precision bearings set me back about £1.25 for 10x on eBay, Nice !


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Of course, the "adjustability" of the set screws had quite passed me by! I can see all the advantages now thanks.

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Hi Marty :wave:


I think those motors are gonna see you good ! :bg:


This seems to have become a 'step-by-step' ...

... AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH !\

Next step ... Motor mount . . .


:moose:


Si.


Kind a focused on the Ford, in some ways on carbuildin' as always though ...


... some STRANGE 'swap-overs' have happened with the M.M.M. rolling-stocks.


NEW crane ( R127 based ! ) Ahg ... Mmmm ...

. . . . Pixs. soon . . .


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Motor-mount ... to follow .  .  . 


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Shaped styrene has been epoxy glued to the Tri-ang modded underframe ...

...this is the basis of the motor-mount...

...the motor in this pic. is on the WRONG side of the styrene wall...

...but is good to see how it fits ... underside !


Pulleys epoxied &   c  o  o  l  !   :cool:





It works out good  .  .  .  later .  .  .  With all things made plain. :bg:


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Si.


Silicone sealing-ring ... Yep ... faux chain-drive ... Kinda nice RUSTY colour .  .  . 



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I see a cunning plan developing here Si! It'll be interesting to see what speeds you get with the 100RM motor and the gearing from those pulleys.

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I have been known to pull a cunning stunt from time . . . to . . . time . . .


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The motor now, is in the correct position.





Some extra styrene to be added to prevent the motor being 'dragged forwards' by the 'faux chain-drive'...  :brill: ? !


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The motor is actually the WRONG way round in the ^^ above photo. :shocked:

The pulley-line doesn't really cut it, does it . . . :f:


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The motor mount takes shape, with some further styrene sections added to contain the motor & gearbox.





Sorry about the slightly blurry photo, I've got some more to Post as well, on other 'puter !


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It does kinda look, in the 'gloom' under the railtruck...

...to be driven by a rusty red 'chain' ! ;)

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Hi Michael :wave:


The pulleys you asked about came from eBay.

They seem to be made in Poland I believe.


I just had a browse at 'model boat suppliers' one day.

They have some interesting bits & pieces which 'train suppliers' don't stock.


Try checking out whatever the leading 'model boat supplier' is in the U.S.A.

I have found that here, they can have quite good prices on stripwood as well.

Also veneers, chain, pirate-flags ;) etc. etc.


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Looks like you are using a 'O' ring for the belt?

Haven't had much luck in locating pulleys.  I was thinking of taking two HO wheels and gluing them together with the flange on the outside.  Should work?  It would be cheap and simple.  'O' rings I can get at Home Depot or Ace Hardware.

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Yes Michael, the two HO wheel trick works fine and I've used it myself. Just make sure they're concentric when you glue them by slipping them on a spare axle rod or similar to avoid them otherwise ending up out of balance. Forgive me if I'm teaching Grandma to suck eggs!

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@Michael M
Try this site. Seems only the Chinese are making them these days.

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Hi Michael
Have a look at the Tamiya Educational range  https://www.tamiyausa.com/items/geniuseries-educational-kits-50/educational-construction-38000/pulley-unit-set-70121

These can be set up as either driving or idler pulleys by varying the inserts. 

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In the old days you had a cassete recorder, these things are full of yousefull partsI must have a walkmen sommewhere:bg:

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Printers have a nice assortment of parts also: other than pulleys there are screws and a great slider (where the printer head rides), small motors, etc. NEVER throw away ANYTHING before ripping it apart down to the last bit...
Jose, certified crapologist.

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Thanks for the info.  I think I'll try the HO wheel sets first and see how that turns out.  What's the worse that can happen?

I never throw anything away.  Drives the wife nuts sometimes, but it's great to make something out junk.

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I did actually buy an 'inline' rather than 'angled' version of this motor/gearbox also.

It could have worked pretty good in the truck as well...

...IF any of the worm-gears I had could have been drilled out to 3mm...

...which they could not. :f:


:P


Si.


Kinda 'lucked into' the 'faux chain-drive' really.

It does look pretty good under the truck though. :bg:

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Hi Michael :wave:


This is the link to where I got the 8mm & 10mm rolls/pulleys from :-

Machined Brass Miniature Pulleys








This dude has quite an eclectic selection of small metal parts.

Some quite unusual & useful stuff. :shocked:


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:mex:  NO SMOKING ...

... FLAMMABLE  LIQUIDS  !


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http://www.ebay.com/itm/331992147378?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2648&var=541049066654&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


if you are in need of more pouly's


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or do something like this

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The shop Si listed even has items' prices in € for those who do not want to live in splendid isolation.
@Cor
What is the sound level of that contraption you show? I tried those bevel gears once and thought I got a coffee grinder in operation.

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" The shop Si listed even has items' prices in € for those who do not want to live in splendid isolation."


Also for those who value Independence, the prices can be seen in £ and $ as well. ;)


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' Coffee Mill ' - Marcel Duchamp - 1947


" I force myself to contradict myself in order to avoid conforming to my own taste "

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" I tried those bevel gears once and thought I got a coffee grinder in operation."


Hi Helmut :wave:


If you're still running your 'grinder', check these out...





...the 'Peltor X3A' really is a marvelous choice.

I personally recommend them. :bg:


The X5 will cut a couple of extra dB at 'certain' frequencies...

...but you do pay a severe weight & bulk penalty for that teeny-weeny bit more silence.


Don't go less than the X3A though, they just aint the same cuppa tea...

...urm ... I mean coffee.


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The 'Plastruct' channel bolster for the front archbar, has been 'welded' in place.

The truck is wholly 'hunkered' & horizontal. :P





Since I wanted the cab to be easily removable from the chassis...

...I had to figure out a simple fixing method.


A M4 'Allen' head machine-screw goes through the truck, bolster & chassis...

...into a M4 threaded-bush, which has been epoxied directly above, under the hood.


Some LOW center of gravity lead weighting, has been epoxied in at the same time also.

The front-end has a 'nice' amount of downforce on the electrical pickup modded archbar.


:moose:


Si.


The 6ft mahogany timber just behind the front truck...

...is just a 'prop' while Wolfy figures out how to fix the 'faux chain-drive' to the chassis !


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Helmut wrote: .

@Cor

What is the sound level of that contraption you show? I tried those bevel gears once and thought I got a coffee grinder in operation.
no idee how much the noise level is, but I think it will be lowit is the last part of the drive train, these gears are on a low rpm, and they are from plastic.

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I think that if I had found a worm-gear that was OK for a 3mm shaft...

...I probably may have just taken the conventional approach & made a worm/spur gear type drive-train.


Of course there would have been a SERIOUS reduction in the gear-ratio with that setup.

Quite possibly a higher RPM motor-gearbox could be needed.


Also the motor 'hanging down' below the chassis is likely...

...we are talking about a 1/2" dia. wheelset here !





I also have numerous small pinions & angled spur-gears, which are used in slotcars.

The problem with these however, is obviously that the motor has to be mounted 'in-line' with the drive-axle.

Fine for an F1 car, but not so great having a motor 'skimming the rails' 1mm above the railhead. :shocked:


The way it has worked out though, as you can see...

...there is no 'big lump' under the chassis...

...only the faux-chain & small 8mm faux-sprocket are visible beneath the railtruck. :cool:


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Si.


I have been messing about with building a new small crane as well...

...maybe one or two 'in progress' pix later  .  .  .  :slow:


;)


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I actually like a bit of noise, some guys pay big bucks for such things. Very cool drive train.

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That's working out very nicely Si. If it runs as well as it looks, it'll be an ace vehicle.

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I'm slowing collecting the necessary parts to build my own.  I have a plan, and the motor has been ordered.  Need to think about putting in R/C.

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A while back I searched high & low on the net, for miniature chain-drive components.

I was kinda surprised that I only managed to find 1 option out there.

I believe the miniature Delrin(TM) chain & sprockets I found, are the same as that sold by Grandt-Line.



I've never actually seen the Grandt-Line chain to confirm this.

Also, unless anyone can tell me different...

...Grandt-Line stuff can be difficult to get in the U.K. unless you wanna pay high P&P from the U.S.


It does appear to be the same stuff as this though.







The Delrin(TM) chain is about 2x4mm

The smallest sprockets are 8-tooth, with 2mm, 3mm or 1/8" bores & 0.371" diameter.








Quite BIG for a 1:35 scale 'visible' chain-drive.

But I just bought a couple of Inches of chain & an 8-tooth sprocket, to have a look-see !


:moose:


Si.


I did also look at Tamiya 1:12 scale metal motorcycle chain.
Limited sprockets available, looks hard to 'split & join', and is BIG $$$ !

I also looked at 'Fusee chain' as used in vintage clock & watch making.

Maybe a bit more about that later  .  .  .

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Really cool looking chain. Have you checked out SERV-O-LINK (I believe) which has miniature chains & sprockets. That stuff interests me, as if I don't have enough to do already!

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http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0-tamx7042.html

http://www.gizmoszone.com/shopping/agora.cgi

https://shop.sdp-si.com/catalog?cid=p43

http://www.gizmoszone.com/shopping/agora.cgi?page=gearmotor2.htm

http://www.micromark.com/micromake-technology/robotics

https://www.tamiyausa.com/items/mini-series-50

http://www.nigellawton009.com/DriveComponents.html

https://dubro.com/

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Hi Southpier :wave:


Thanks very much for the links. :brill:


The Gizmoszone gearhead-motor, the diameter of a PENCIL ! :shocked: is the smallest I've seen !


SDP-SI also have the SMALLEST Acetal-chain I've seen, with a pitch of only 3.117mm :shocked:




&

This page is just simply INCREDIBLE ! :bow: linked from nigellawton009.com

:thumb:


Well...

...my now, only 2nd smallest, chain & sprocket 'look-see' arrived today.

I was actually quite impressed, until I saw Southpiers SDP-SI link !

The chain, which is the same as 'Serv-O-Link', is not exactly MEGA slim, as suspected...

...BUT it is acceptable in 1:35, just, if you think your prototype may have used slightly 'chunky chain'. :P


The SDP-SI chain def. warrants further investigation though.

I haven't checked out matching sprockets for it yet.

The price of the SDI-SI chain/inch, is similar to the chain I just received.

However, the larger minimum-order + P&P from the U.S. means the price tag is a tad 'Rolls Royce'...

...but it does have the top-step on the podium, for micro-chains so far !


In wonder if I can find a U.K. supplier for this teeny-weeny stuff ? L:


:moose:


Si.


EDIT :- :doh: I just measured the chain I received today...

...in fact, it seems that this chain, probably Grandt-Line, Serv-O-Link, and SDI-SI chain...

...are all exactly the same product !


So IS ? this as small as it gets ? ???

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For really tiny chains, there are the Hiroboy motorcycle model roller chains in 1/12 scale.
http://www.hiroboy.com/112_Motorcycle_Chain_Set__P941--product--2135.html

You build them up yourself on a former from metal links on nylon rollers and whist it's a right faff for those like me with thick fingers, they come out very nicely.


a (1) by slateworks, on Flickr


b (3) by slateworks, on Flickr


112_Motorcycle_Chain_Set__P941_73405 by slateworks, on Flickr

I used them on my Stunted Goose and whist they are only cosmetic on there with the gears free-wheeling on their axles (you don't want to put any more strain than necessary on a Bachmann rail truck back axle!), I see no reason why they shouldn't work in practice.


r (3) by slateworks, on Flickr

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Hi Doug :wave:


Thanks very much for that info.

I like the Goose ! :bg:


I had only seen the pre-assembled Tamiya 1:12 motorcycle chains before.

It does look like an interesting product.


I see from their website...

...the idea is to assemble the metal-links on the plastic-rollers...

...& then 'melt' the ends over, with a soldering iron...

...and then cut the rollers loose, I guess.


A clever idea & looks good for realistic 'chain sag' etc.

But actually work ?

I suspect if it was possible to get it in motion...

...it would expire pretty quickly.


My problem is that for my insane idea...

...I will need 16 or 12 sprockets as well !


I can see how darn small it is though...

...standing on your, Code-83 rail ?, I think. :shocked:


I thought I was a moaning ol' grouch, assembling 1:35 Caterpillar tracks !

Were you a micro brain-surgeon before retiring Doug ? ;)


The Victorians got workhouse kids to assemble pocket-watch 'fusee chain' apparently.

Too many Health & Safety regs. these days for that though...

...they could pass a bill to bring back workhouses I suppose.

They're probably drawing one up as we speak !


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I gotta say actually...

...the 3.117mm pitch Acetal/Delrin(TM) chain is quite incredible !


I just have a 2" long tester at present.


If you try & 'twist' it end-to-end ... You basically CAN'T !

Yet EVERY SINGLE LINK is 100% free to pivot on the next.

That is some kinda precision moulding, or what ?


:brill:


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Hi Si. I wasn't suggesting it as an option for you, too small and as you point out, probably too fragile. It's just another source that might float someone's boat. Yes, you do melt the roller ends once the link is in place and then when all are done, cut the complete chain from the roller jig.

And whilst I would have loved to have had the dexterity of a brain surgeon or even a troop of workhouse kids who could do what those very talented folk in China seem to manage, I had to do with sets of very pointy tweezers and a lot of bad language!

P.S. I'll tell a bit more about the Stunted Goose build on the Updah thread at some time.

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Hi Doug :wave:


It may not be suitable for using with 16 or 12 sprockets.

But if I ever try one of the 'pencil' gearhead-motors that Southpier pointed me to...

...who knows what could be possible with the 1:12 motorcycle chain ?


It could easily work on a simpler drive train.

Main drawback might only be, getting enough of the right sized sprockets.


Thanks again for Posting it Doug.

It is the smallest chain I've seen so far.


It's in the arsenal of top-tricks & before it wasn't.

Precisely why chucking up crazy ideas & questions on Freerails ALWAYS pays dividens.

People have always discovered ways & means that one doesn't always know about.


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This photo kinda shows a bit better, the 'real' size of the 3.117mm pitch Delrin(TM) chain & sprockets.



:)

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Oh yeah, there must be some XLsize paper clamps lying around in my office, too:cool:

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The paperCLIP photo, on the previous << Page...

...is a fair representation of the drive components size, next to a NORMAL paperCLIP. :mex:





The cyclists in this photo are obviously WAY under scale. :P  (_!_)  ;)


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The railtruck looms ominously ... John Carpenter styleee ! :w:





A few more models on the bench at the moment, sneaked into this pic, Including some tankcars.


The black one is from a pair in a OO scale kit made by 'Ratio Plastic Models'

One of which has been shortened, for a different look.

The larger TEXACO tank, is from a 'Tyco' HO model, I picked up recently for a couple o' bucks $$ :thumb:


Also a U.S. Army pattern 2-wheel trailer, sans it's wheels + some oil-drums...

...on one of the new 4-wheel cars I made a while back, but haven't Posted any pics. of yet.

The trailer comes in a 1:35 kit of 2 the same, by 'Mirror Models', the 2nd might go with my Wileys jeep. :Salute:


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Oh ... & some new electricity pylons.


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The underside of the railtruck.

Beneath the front archbar bolster & extra chassis piece...

...some lead weighting has been shaped to fit & epoxy-resined in place.





A little bit more has been squeezed in & epoxied as well, next to the running-boards & below the rear of the cab.


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More shaped lead weighting epoxied into place, in front of the firewall under the hood.

LOW centre of gravity ! ... Like my FAST and GRIPPY Chevy Impala 1:32 slotcar !

She's one hell of a quick Chevy ! :cb:





The 4mm hole was punched through the lead before gluing.

The M4 front truck machine-screw, located the lead in the correct place, while the long-set epoxy hardened.

Being VERY careful, of course, NOT to epoxy the screw PERMANENTLY into the hole !! :shocked:


Have I done that before ? :f:

Nar ... course not ! ;)


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Very neat job on the rail truck Si but why is there a Vickers machine gun sticking out amongst the oil drums? You going to war or something?!

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" why is there a Vickers machine gun sticking out amongst the oil drums ? "


Hi Doug :wave:


It does look a bit like that doesn't it.

You had me there for sure...
...then I realised, it is actually the tail-gate from the trailer !

I hadn't MEKed it on yet ... Which now I have, and kinda wish I now hadn't ! :f:

Part of the reason I'm so slow ... Never glue parts on till you're SURE !

I thought I was ... but I wasn't.

Oh well, you get 2 in the 'Mirror Models' box.

It'll work out OK. :bg:





The one I've made in the photo is obviously sans it's wheels & mudguards.

It's now sans it's tow-bar as well ... since I chopped it orf ! :shocked:

This is how it's supposed to look, if you do it properly, & aint running a 'lash-up' shop ! :old dude:


:moose:


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Also, before Lee tells me off, It's actually a CANADIAN military pattern trailer. :Salute:


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Another photo of the railtruck & 'Mirror Models' 1:35 Canadian military pattern trailer.

I finally glued on the tailgate in the down position, I think it will go on a similar but slightly longer 4-wheel carbuild now.





The long suffering M.M.M 0-4-0 critter has a bit of a try out with some tread-plate at the front.

The roof mockup just got replaced the other day with some new Plastruct 'L' section uprights.


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A close-up, showing fixing of the electrical-pickup converted Bachmann On30 archbar, with Hornby R8098 wheelsets.





Wiring for the front truck is 999 ( emergency silver ) solid silver cable, from the Russian space program !

I kid you NOT !! :old dude:

Yuri Gagarins electric-toothbrush was probably connected up with similar cable. :Salute:


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Beneath the hood of the railtruck, the fixing boss for the whole front assembly is set in epoxy-resin.





I wasn't quite sure exactly where the M4 boss should be mounted.

So I made a mould out of MEKed thin white styrene & allowed the boss to find it's own centre, as the epoxy cured.

The boss is a brass M4 insert in a rubber surround, for the usual purpose of an anti vibration mounting.

Here, it is just a convenient large object to deal with, and won't come out of the potting, EVER ! ;)


You might notice Wolfy has fitted a solid lead radiator to the railtruck.

I hope it doesn't overheat ! :f:


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The 'emergency silver' wiring is extremely flexible & should allow the front archbar to move totaly unimpeded.

The Russian space program cable, as well as being tested in outer-space...

...has also been tested under race conditions ! in REALY FAST 1:32 SLOTCARS !! :shocked: ;) :cool: :thumb:





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love the little trailer's wheels.

but what's with Wiley's jeep?

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/80OAQc27miHHz3prApchMuLPr7g=/0x0:696x464/820x547/filters:focal(0x0:696x464)/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/38737398/looney-tunes-acme-road-runner-wile-e-coyote.0.jpg

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Si, that's some serious heavy duty (cousin to Howdy Duty) screwing on that front truck! You are building a "Hummer-GAZ" it seems. Very cool.

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Actually that's 'Howdy Doody'.


http://www.amazon.com%25252FHowdy-Doody-Show-Episode-Collection%25252Fdp%25252FB001EWVANE&source=iu&pf=m&fir=epl0JIW8zkxETM%253A%252CLn4syzazI3EWdM%252C_&usg=__7tpwUab1ww7QegEzKe0cDGiK42k%3D&biw=853&bih=509&ved=0ahUKEwjAvNXSxJ3TAhXCKiYKHfJPB48QyjcINw&ei=8mPtWMD7J8LVmAHyn534CA#imgrc=epl0JIW8zkxETM:]


Ran from 1947 to 1960.  Oh, the memories.

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Hi Southpier :wave:


Thanks for your interesting design drawing ! :shocked:


Not sure if that's a proposal for a new high speed railcar...

...or a reference to the Ruskie space-program though ? ???

The pilot bears no resemblance to Yuri Gagarin that I can easily identify. L:


I think as a 'review' we can Post this concept drawing.

So please consider purchasing all A.C.M.E Road Runner & Coyote products !

They are top quality entertainment & guaranteed to produce a BIG grin !! :)





SAFETY NOTICE !

Please be careful with matches kids ! ... You may singe your A$$ !


:moose:


Si.


I do like the rock formation in the background ... On Mars perhaps ?

Or could be in the styleee of Poison Rock ? Death Valley ?


WATCH OUT ! for falling 10-Ton weights & anvils !! :P


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" that's some serious heavy duty screwing on that front truck!
  You are building a "Hummer-GAZ" it seems. Very cool."


Howdy Woodie :cb:


You know what...

...I was lookin' at that pic. when I Posted it...

...thinkin', someones gonna say something about THAT ! ;)





I recently at last got 2 pairs of the Bachmann On30 archbars to add to my 'truck arsenal' ! :shocked:

Slightly rare & when around in the UK, quite $$$£££, but thrifty Wolfy did get a steal-deal, of course. :P

The mounting holes are a bit oDd, like the Tri-ang diecasts I've been modding.

Tiny little self-tapping screws, with MASSIVE pancake heads ! :Crazy:

I guess it suits the small mounting points on plastic underframes, a kinda 'anti-split' measure no doubt.


An M3 machine-screw is kinda loose in the hole, which is a tad over 4mm.

But a regular M4 panhead won't squeeze into the hollow bolster.

Hence my " Hummer " head construction. :brill:


A 1" high-tensile steel cap-screw does actually add quite a bit of useful weight where it's needed.

Just DON'T try torquing it right up, using your extra long Allen keys ! :shocked:

You may regret it !! :f:


:moose:


Si.


Gotta find some small screws now, to fix the rear motor-mount chassis in place with.

Them there 1-Ton strength cylinder-head bolts are a LITTLE bit too BIG !! L:


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Coming along great!
Michael, I was a bit too old for Howdy! I am more "The Shadow" on radio...remember radio?

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" Coming along great! "


Thanks very much Woodie !

I am gradually chipping away at the projects & the fleet is slowly GROWING ! :)


- - - - - - -


I never actually got around to photographing the new handset for my DIY throttle.

The handset is complete, but the main electronics board is still getting some work done on it.

A case of decisions, decisions, decisions really ... we'll get there !  ... :slow: ... :slow: ... :slow: ...





The light-action metal push-buttons, have a really nice 'tactile' feedback to them.

They are also backlit with LEDs in Green, Orange & Red...

...for Accelerate, Brake & Emergency Stop !

Great for nite-ops. !! :cool:

The flush rocker-switch is for direction change.


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"Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows!"

Then there was "Death Valley Days" hosted at one time by Ronald Reagan.

Anybody ever listen to C.W. McCall?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9ZlLrRzTNw       Silverton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7UNFEiQPys       CJ5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzWyZ-jM9Is      Black Bear Road

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDEQMEJ_I-s      Classified

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6LzWZYWpOU        Wolf Creek Pass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQd3mXjPhoo       Crispy Critters


Commander Cody and his lost planet airmen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R7l7nDuj1o


Kingston Trio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Jw_v3F_Q0


That should provide a laugh or two.

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http://www.freerails.com/gallery/4568/4568_130848_330000000.jpg

fantastic schematic!

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I Have an eight track ('member?) of C W

And about 6 or 7 Kingston Trio 33's

And sometimes I think that Wyl E Coyote's life is patterned after mine------------



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I remember 8 track.

Story time:  The wife and I went to San Bernardino County Museum and took her 16 year old daughter (Cheyenne) along.  They were having a 1950s display and you could touch the items to see how they worked.  One item on display was a rotary dial telephone.  Trying as hard as she could Cheyenne could not figure out how to dial a telephone number on the rotary phone.  Something us 'old timers' easily understand and remember  (I spent 14 years with Pacific Bell and AT&T).  It was funny watching her struggle with that rotary dial.

More stories:  I can still remember the Rosemead Central Office being step-by-step and locking up during half-time on Monday night football where no one could call out.  Sometimes the tone machine (dial tone) in the Alhambra C.O. would die and people would go nuts thinking they couldn't make a call because there was no dial tone.  You don't need a dial tone to make a call; it's just there to let you know the line is working.  Kind of like the rotten egg smell that's added to natural gas.

Anyone remember a TTY 100 with a paper reader?

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YEP  folks  !


You are in the right place, for the long running saga of Mysterious Moose Mountain !!  :Crazy:


I thought since all the riveting excitement of ...


Howdy Doody

Vintage DVD box sets

Recollections of old radio shows

Ronald Reagan

C.W. McCall

Commander Cody and his lost planet airmen

The Kingston Trio

8 track cassettes

33 1/3 rpm recordings

The San Bernardino County Museum

Pacific Bell and AT&T

Rotary dial telephones

&

The rotten egg smell that's added to natural gas ... seems to have run it's course ...



... I might just Post some more stuff about a few of the models I've been working on lately !


 :doh:


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I thought since all the riveting excitement of ...

... being at Woodstock...

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I decided a while back, to build quite a few tankcars for the rolling stock fleet.

I came up with a number of different basic tanks, which I figured could be good.

This is one which I have been working on recently.

The basic tank is from a Tyco HO car, which I picked up for a few coins.





Here she sits on one of the M.M.M scratchbuilt flatcar underframes.

HO ladders removed & the tank cut out from the Tyco model.

It's a pretty good size for 1:35n2 and looks good with my other builds.


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More to follow  .  .  .

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Having removed the main tank from the Tyco HO model, I started to add a few new details.

A platform made from some tread-plate styrene I got recently, seemed like a good move.

I have done a bit more work on this, since the photo was taken.





I also started to add some new framing parts made from Plastruct styrene sections.

Two long side framing pieces were added from 'I'-beam plastic.


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I did a little more work on the new tread-plate platform for the tank.

The square corners in the last photo got trimmed a bit, to slightly diagonal corners.

The platform got some small Plastruct section supports added underneath it as well.

I might fit some edges to the platform & possibly some small railings also.


I have quite a few different tank bodies to use at the moment.

Some are being used to make cars, others may well become static tanks adjacent to buildings etc.


I had thought the TEXACO tank would go on a 16' ish underframe.

But then wondered if it was a tad too large, to look OK with my other car builds.

In messing around with trucks for it, I thought ARH, it could be being 'delivered' to a customers static-location ?
 




So as a test, here it sits on an 'odd' pair of the 4-wheel 'disconnect style' cars I've been making.

The 6-plank on the left, I made 2 of ages ago now.

The 5-plank on the right, I made 4 of a couple of months back.


They each use different trucks/wheels & slightly different wooden framing, for 'variety'.

As a result, the final car height is different also.

Hence the 2 'odd' bolsters, used here to 'level' the tank, for transporting to 'a customer'.


I kinda like it !


Mmm...


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Si.


Sorry about the HO track it's sitting on !

These small lengths are convenient for testing on the workbench.

I really must try and remember to photograph my builds on the Peco 'crazy track' I have.

It looks very nice as small 2' gauge track in 1:35n2 !



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One of the other, or I should say, 2 of the other tankcars I've been working on lately, I started some time ago.

I made 2 of these underframes, which were intended for 2 single-dome tanks from vintage Tri-ang OO models.

I modded the diecast underframe from the 2 original '60s Tri-ang Brit. tank wagons.

Then scratchbuilt a basic wooden decking, with coupler-pockets for the San Juan Car Co. 'Evolution Couplers' I've been using.


The photo makes the car look a bit big, but this is just the cameras wide-angle lens.

Sorry about that, but I did remember this time to snap it on the Peco 'crazy track' !





I have been tending to 'get the basics done' & then move on with further builds.

This has simply helped me to make the most of the time I have & not get too delayed on a single build.


It has meant a lot of my scratchbuilds are evolving over a longish period of time.

I find doing all of one kind of work at once, is a real timesaver.


So detailing with NBWs, grab-irons etc. will be 'phase 2'.

Painting & weathering will be 'phase 3'.


:moose:


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Some more building pix. to follow on this pair of cars . . .


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Si, I like the disconnected trucks plan. Many loggers (Mich-Cal for one) had tanks mounted on "bobbie trucks" and they look very cool.
Go for it!

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Digging through some boxes in the garage (you never know what you'll find) I stumbled across two Gn15 cars from Ozark Miniatures.  One is a water car and the other is an ore car.  The water car will get mounted on a short flat car.  That will at least help with the water issue on my 35n2 railroad (once it gets built.  There's just too many projects).  Not sure about what to do with the ore car yet.

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Si.

On your cars, the timbers appear to be fairly large.  What size are they ?

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Hi Michael :wave:



All I can really do, is quote myself, which you may have read in Post 436 :-

" The photo makes the car look a bit big, but this is just the cameras wide-angle lens."



A    v  e  r  y    l  o  n  g   t  i  m  e    a  g  o    I used to make 'Westside Lumber Company' cars in 1:24n3 scale.

I have a large collection of drawings from this time.

Drafted by among others, Russ Simpson & The California Shortline Historical Society.



Quoting Herb, who said :-

" Understanding how the prototype did it, when building your own cars, ensures they look real "

Or something like that.

I couldn't agree more, it is very easy to make engineering blunders, without this kind of research.



More recently, in addition to the inspiration from these old 3' drawings.

I have been following, 'broadly speaking', the general sizes & dimensions ...

... documented by C&S engineers 100-years ago, of 'The Gilpin Tram' cars in 2' gauge.





Plus of course taking 'liberal liberties' in producing my own logging based disconnect style trucks & 4-wheelers ...

... which the 'Gilpin Tram' didn't have.


Except for their 'cutey' snowplough, which Woodie has made a very nice model of ...

... and yer know what, I might have to have a 'bash' at as well.











If you look at the log-car No. TR2549 just behind my 4-wheeler in the Post 436 photo.

It looks the same length as the 4-wheeler.

IN FACT, it is in reality, TWICE the length !

But only JUST behind my 4-wheeler !!

Wolfgang standing between the 2 cars, also looks rather small ( for a 2" guy anyway ).



NEVER BELIEVE WHAT YOU SEE IN PHOTOS !



Especially not ones taken using cellphone cameras, with wide angle lenses !!

Most of my photos look reasonably OK.

But the extra close-up ones, do show the 'wide angle lens effect'.

The further back the camera is from the subject, the less this effect has on the size & perspective.



The short answer is ...

... roughly 5mm sq.



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Gilpin snowplow?



Here she is, all loaded up with old motors for "ballast"...

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Okay, thanks. 5mm comes to about 3/16".  Got plenty of that size strip wood handy.

I've made plenty of engineering blunders on my 35n2 R/C critter.  A lot of cutting and patching.  But, I like to think that is how the shop foreman would have handled it; "It doesn't have to look pretty as long as it works."

Those Gilpin flatcars seem kinda narrow.

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As if by MAGIC ... The Gilpin Tram snowplough appears ! :thumb:

I do like Woodies :cb: model of that 'cute' lil' car.


" They had a TON of snow in Gilpin County "  :old dude:


So I guess it must have been quite effective at clearing the stuff. L:





Nice to see Woodie using his Grandpops ol' glass-plate camera for the pic ! :P

Herb 'll probably moan though !! :f:  ;)



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" A lot of cutting and patching.
But, I like to think that is how the shop foreman would have handled it.
It doesn't have to look pretty as long as it works."

" Those Gilpin flatcars seem kinda narrow."


Hi Michael :wave:


Sorry, perhaps the info I Posted, wasn't as helpful as it could be.

When I'm building my cars, I do indeed put myself in the shoes ( or boots ! ) of the 'shop foreman' !


When I said 'engineering blunders', what I meant was ...

... when I first got into car building, I had absolutely NO IDEA how 'real' cars were made.

My early experience was all gained from the NG&SLG in the late '80s.

Plus a very few imported U.S. books, which I picked up from my favorite store in London.


Yes indeed, the 5mm (ish)  timber I have used a lot of, is actually 3/16" !

Jones Models in Chiswick, had absolutely no metric wood for sale at all, back in the day.

I'm not sure the 'old school' dude who milled the timber, even knew what a millimeter was !


My 'shop foreman' tends to have about 4 or 5 standard sections of wood & Plastruct in 'the shop'.

Plastruct comes in 3.2mm  4.8mm  6.4mm  8.4mm

His lumber comes in 1/8"  3/16"  1/4"  3/8"  1/2"


My main car building timbers are either 3/16" for a 'normal car'.

Or perhaps 1/4" for a 'heavy duty car'.


The decking on 'normal cars' is either 1/32" or 1/16"

On the chunky 'disconnect style' cars, the decking is 1/8"


My steel-framed builds, using Plastruct, are mainly either  4.8mm  6.4mm  or  8.4mm

I have only used the 8.4mm on my HEAVY DUTY locomotive crane so far.

Another crane, which I haven't Posted pix of yet, uses main beams of 6.4mm Plastruct.


I hope that helps.


The Gilpin Tram flatcars ARE INDEED quite LONG and NARROW.

My 8-wheel flatcars, or underframes, are between 6' and 5' wide.

I also keep them SHORT at between 12' to 16' long, the longest I think is maybe 18'


The Gilpin Tram caboose, is a 'nicely sized' car in my opinion.

It was 14' long, 6' wide & had a lowish 6' & a tad body.

I have made an underframe for that caboose, but not yet done the car body.


Most importantly of all.

I just do & make these days, what I think LOOKS RIGHT !


Scale-rulers can be a great help sometimes ...

... but they can also be a great hindrance as well !


:moose:


Si.


The Plastruct isn't square BTW ... I tend to use the 'I' beams & shallow 'Channel' sections.

The 3/16" & 1/4" timber is sometimes square, but I use a lot of rectangular timber as well.

The darker mahogany timber, I have milled myself on a regular table-saw ! ... SCARY !! :shocked:


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Si, the Gilpin Tram was an industrial railway and needed narrow cars to (I guess)keep from toppling over when loaded or maybe the clearances were very tight. Keith Pashina would have the answer for sure. I personally like wider cars which accentuate the narrow gauge but I just go with what I know...which ain't much!

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Si,

Thanks for the information.  From your photos it looked like you might be using 1/2" square timbers.  I guess the camera really can lie!  I use .100" by .250" styrene for the main frame and build from there.

I've adopted a standard frame size of 13 feet 6 inches by 6 feet for my 35n2 cars.  I know the length might sound a little strange, but that's just the way things turned out.  I even made a jig so that the frame pieces would all get cut the same length.  If I remember the loading gauge of a car was something like 3 to 3.5 times the rail gauge, so 6 feet wide sounded about right.  If I remember correctly the SR&RL had passenger cars about 7 feet 6 inches wide, or thereabouts.

I've been using HO trucks to get that hunkered-down look.  Bachmann On30 trucks are kinda expensive, and I'll save those for a caboose and passenger car.  I really like Woodie's half-open/half-enclosed car.  Kinda like the 'California' style car used on the Pacific Electric or the cable cars in San Francisco.  Too bad no one makes any car kits in 35n2 scale.

Rummaging through some boxes in the garage I found a couple of Bachmann HO 8 wheel Brill trolleys.  Must of been when I had a small HO traction layout.  Thought I might turn them into some home-built scraps-from-behind-the-engine house type of rail cars.  The powered truck would be the lead wheels, and I would add a set of larger wheels on the back end.  R/C of course.  But, I have learned a lesson---get the donor R/C car first and then build the body around it.:bang:

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Hi Michael :wave:


You may well be interested in my current R.C. 'shopping list' !

I'm going to Post more about it, on the 'Dr. StrangeLiPo' Thread in the R.C. Forum.

This stuff MAY possibly work, with your existing transmitter.

But I have also found a VERY CHEAP, but 'high quality', transmitter/receiver combination as well.


Basically, I have sourced all the stuff needed to R.C. the actual loco, for a TOTALLY STELLA price ! :shocked:


R.C. Mini Receiver.

ESC Electronic Speed Controller.

DC-DC Step-Up 9-Volt Regulator.

LiPo 3.7-Volt 380mAh Battery.


Total price, including all P&P charges, of just £9.02p !!

Or in U.S.D, at $1.28c / U.K. Pound ...

... Total price, including all P&P charges, of just $11.54c !!

:cool:

Because they are all individual components, of a pretty small size, they should fit into any 1:35n2 loco build, no problem.


More  l  a  t  e  r  .  .  .


:moose:


Si.


I'll Post some stuff about the 1:35n2 trucks, wheels & couplers issue, as I see it, also.

Maybe you'll like what I have to say ... :)

... maybe you won't ! :f:


But one thing I can say is, I've spent a lot of time, looking, testing & head scratching getting there. :brill:

Most importantly the stuff looks good for 1:35n2 in my opinion. :thumb:


Your underframe 'std. size' length at 6' wide sounds IDEAL to me !

This is pretty much about what I would call, my 'medium size', more or less the same as the Gilpin Tram caboose

From that 'medium' size, a 'small' & 'large' car, can easily be sized as well.


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Some more 'vintage' photos of Woodies nice Gilpin Tram snow plough, which I found on Freerails !

Herb will enjoy the glorious Technicolor(TM) film-stock director Cecil B. DeWoodie used for these ! ;)








:bg:  I gotta make me one of these lil' darlings !

" Just in case the weather turns bad sonny ! " :old dude:



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Si, Tom Bell (tebee) has some very nice 1:35n2 GILPIN TRUCK FRAMES available from SHAPEWAYS. They are also available in On30...the 35n2 frames are made to handle Bachmann On30 wheelsets...how cool is that? Couplers? I would use KADEE On3 couplers or other auto types...unless you want to be PROTOTYPICALLY EXACT and use links & pins...the Gilpin & SCPA&M used them!

Hoo Ha
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Si,

I am VERY interested in your R/C shopping list.  I'll have to check out your Dr. Strangelove thread.  A list of items would be very helpful for me, and I'm sure for others as well.  You already know the hardest part about R/C is acquiring the required parts to make everything work, and at a reasonable (cheap) price.  The 1:10 scale race car I used worked fine, the board was just too big.


Woodie,

Since I'm not modeling any specific railroad I figured I can get away with just about anything.  I use HO trucks and Kadee HO couplers since they are readily available and can be had cheap.  I can usually nail down some good deals at train shows.  Still need a name for my planned road, maybe the Cheap & Narrow Railway?

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" Tom Bell (tebee) has some very nice 1:35n2 GILPIN TRUCK FRAMES available from SHAPEWAYS.

the 35n2 frames are made to handle Bachmann On30 wheelsets."



Howdy Woodie :cb:



Toms 1:35n2 Gilpin Tram trucks are very nice indeed !

How cool is that ? ... VERY COOL ! :cool:





I bought a couple of pairs from Shapeways.

One pair for my Gilpin Caboose underframe, which look very good on it.









The second pair is for an attempt at a Gilpin phase-1 ore-car ...

... when I get a round tuit.





It's a bit difficult to get 'Bachmann' On30 wheelsets in Britain.

But the above ^^ 'Kadee' On30 D&RGW 'Griffin' types are easily available for me ...

... as are 'Hornby' 8-spoke R8098 wheelsets, or their R8096 solid disc ones.





All the above 3 types have 1/2' diameter wheels & fit either Toms 3D-printed, or most On30 trucks fine.

The 1/2" diameter wheels are perfect for 1:35n2 & look just right.



Couplers for me were a tricky 50/50 choice between 'link n pins' & 3/4 size knuckles.

In the end, I decided to go for the knuckle couplers.

I have Kadee couplers here, in both On3 & regular O sizes.

In my opinion, neither look good in 1:35n2.


The On3 couplers, look too small & the regular O couplers, look too big.

I spent WAY TOO LONG trying to persuade myself that one or the other was OK.

That's because I was 'trying to kid myself' ... Not a good thing to do, with such an important decision.


After further research, I came across the 'San Juan Car Co.' Evolution-couplers, designed for On3.

They were designed in response to the fact, that Kadee On3 couplers are too small, and don't look that good.

I have to say that the 'Evolution' couplers are PERFECT for 1:35n2, as well as 1:48 3ft narrow gauge.





In 1:35n2 they represent very well, a 3/4 size knuckle coupler, typical of many smaller narrow gauge railroads.

( before anyone asks ! ... The coupler below, does look a bit BIGGER than it REALLY is, due to the cameras wide-angle lens !! )





They aint expensive, they are easy to fit & they work BRILLIANTLY !

Most important of all, they look FANTASTIC !

The knuckle-spring is INSIDE the coupler-body & cannot be either seen or lost also.

Clever stuff !



:moose:



Si.


I just added, further up ^^ the Page, a couple more photos of Woodies nice Gilpin Tram snow plough, which I found here on Freerails ...

... & the drawing from the ol' C&S engineers of the real 1:1 deal ! ... enjoy !!


Photos of Toms trucks from Shapeways are on other 'puter ... Maybe   l  a  t  e  r  .  .  .

Here's the 3D 'render' from Shapeways for now.

STELLA job Tom !! :cool:





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Monochrome fever has temporarily taken over on Mysterious Moose Mountain.

Dozey Dmitry, of late minus the excess sprues ...

... ponders whether he may have to move from his perch, for a new tankcar build ?




Sorry Herb ! ... The developers sent the negs. back all scratched & in MONO ! ;)

I'll probably get complaints from Doug about the next one as well. :shocked:

Oh well ... at least the photographers wide-angle lens stayed in the gadget-bag today !! :P





More from Mysterious :moose: Mountain . . .

.  .  .  s  o  o  n 


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Me, complain! Never! Observe or comment maybe, but complain isn't in my vocabulary! :old dude:

Whilst I'm on and going back a few pages, that Hiroboy chain kit makes chain with a 1.5mm, 0.06" pitch so about half the size of the plastic ones. The only reason for mentioning it is that I'm in the slow process of building a lumber carrier and they were chain driven from a tractor power unit so I had to look out the remnants to check for suitability. :bg:

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" Me, complain! Never! Observe or comment maybe, but complain isn't in my vocabulary! :old dude: "


Hi Doug :wave:


That's all right then. :P


I know you like the  M.M.M  out of focus, grainy, back-lit photography really !  ;)






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Tri-ang  N.A.T.O  &  'BATTLE SPACE !'(TM)  R341 Searchlight-Wagons are in the carshop . . .








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Time for some Mysterious Moose Mountain modding !  .   .    .






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Holy smokes!. What are you up to now???.
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" Holy smokes!. What are you up to now "


That's ... What are you up to now ? ... SIR !! ... Private Pipopak !  :Salute:  YESSIIRR !!





Tanks, guns, rockets that fire ! Helicopters, planes, spy satelites that fly !


1:35n2  BATTLE SPACE !


:pimp:  Pimp my Panzer !!


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Pink my tank you said:
http://makettinfo.hu/upload/201110/1351917_61731_pink_tank.jpg
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Tri-ang Railways R341 N.A.T.O Searchlight Wagon








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Oh joy! And I thought my modelling was a bit off the wall!

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A  bit  orf  the  wall  .  .  .  What  wall  ?    :cool:


THE  DEFENDER






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Well ... It's a    l  o  n  g    story ...

... but it all started when I was inspired by 'Canadian Kens' extra-wide depressed-centre flatcar ! :cool:




Photo courtesy of 'Canadian Ken' ! :thumb:


Canadian Kens carshop, in a fiendishly ingenious plan, typical of small & resourceful narrow gauge railroads ...

... built this ultra-cool heavy-duty car, from 2x vintage 'Tri-ang Railways' R242 Trestrol Wagons !! :shocked:





So what on earth has THAT got to do with BATTLE SPACE ! ... ? L:


Well ... The Tri-ang N.A.T.O and BATTLE SPACE ! R341 Searchlight Wagons, were built on top of regular R242 Trestrol Wagons ...

... or SO I THOUGHT ! :P


Not quite the same in fact !!

The BATTLE SPACE ! items actually have 'extra bits' moulded onto the 'regular' Trestrol Wagon ...

... which were designed to mount the 'searchlight & generator' on.


So in the end, I have 2x Searchlight Wagons & 1x regular Trestrol Wagon.

Make sense so far ? ???


I just got a round tuit for the 'Canadian Ken' inspired depressed-centre flatcar bash ! :)

So might have to wait on that one for a while  .  .  .  :slow:


But the 'searchlight & generator' parts, have already been pressed into service by the busy M.M.M shops. :mex:



So here's their story ...

... muddled up with tales of a BASHED Tri-ang R127 Crane, a modded vintage Airfix kit, old Meccano set parts, a Ford-T engine ...

... & possibly others  .  .  .


All will become  .  .  .  As clear as MUD !  .  .  .  In due course  .  .  . 

Stay tuned !!



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  Figure you could use one of these, had mine for years.






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Hi Ken :wave:


Thanks for the round-tuit ...

... 3 Tri-ang Trestrols await the hacksaw on the rip-track !


I hacked to pieces a perfectly 'collectable' R137 yesterday !! :shocked:


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So ...  A Tale Of Three Cars  .  .  .  :slow:  :slow:  :slow:











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when do you stop collecting that Triang stuf and start building:bg:  you mus have a big collection now   
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My tuit just rolled down the bank yesterday. What now?

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what the ***** is a tuit:bang:

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That is the biggest problem with TUITs they keep rolling away and getting lost and you lose modelling time looking for it. Need to make up extras for back up. I keep a few on hand for my major projects just in case that happens.
I would need a 100 or so for minor projects, including wood, metal work, boats, planes, steam punk! etc. etc.
Forgot Triang bashing.

If Si and I are not careful we will be banned for collecting and not converting
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" If Si and I are not careful we will be banned for collecting and not converting "


Hi Ken :wave:


And I thought that the Collectors wanted to ban me ...

... for the countless priceless vintage cars, already modded, or SCRAPPED for their TRUCKS !

A big handful of busted ol' Tri-ang bodys ... Was binned last week !! ;)


Damn fine diecasting, those BEASTS ! :old dude:


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" when do you stop collecting that Triang "


Hi Cor.


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The sides from the Airfix crane kit & Plastruct channel, are used to make up a new 1:35n2 steel car frame.


Diecast trucks are Tri-ang Transcontinental archbars, with replacement 1/2" wheelsets on new bearings.





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nice, will this be another tank car?
do you have a source for those wheels?i like them, nice size for on30 as well
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What ever happened to your R/C shopping list?  I'm about ready to start on another critter.  Been fooling around with making an operating ore bin that will fill my ore cars. 

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Well ... after a while with Wolfy in the M.M.M carshop . . .





. . . and the new, widened, Airfix locomotive-crane, heavy-steel ( styrene ;) ) underframe





It's kinda bye bye  :wave:  :Salute:  BATTLE SPACE ! ... Hello  :moose:  :thumb:  !


But then . . . The M.M.M crane R127, needed modding as well . . .



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R.C. components are just starting to arrive here, ready for testing . . . More in the 'Dr.StrangeLiPo' Thread in the 'R.C.Forum'.

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So ... after the 'Searchlight-Wagon' BASH ! ...  :Salute:





... comes the Tri-ang R127 'Crane Truck' !!  :thumb:





Just what you wanted for Christmas 1962.  :P





R127 arrives at the Mysterious Moose Mountain carshop & Wolfy checks out the 'powerful lifting action' !


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Wolfy keeps knockin' his head on the plastic knob used to operate the jib !


Might have to look at that !!


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Despite being absolutely nothing to do with the current story about searchlights or cranes ...

... I couldn't resist snapping last weeks cool new model in progress. :bg:





The side tie-rods are missing here ... and are in a jar of nasty salt & acid ! :shocked:


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That's a neatly curved plough blade Si. Beer can?

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Neat car.  Where did you find those journals?

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" Neat car.  Where did you find those journals? "



Hi Michael :wave:



The journals I used for the Gilpin Tram No.02 snow plow ...

... also for some of my other 4-wheeler car builds & my Ford-A railtruck motor-mount ...

... are all based around a standard vintage diecast OO-scale Tri-ang Railways(TM) British underframe.


The wheels used in these Brit. 1:76 wagons, are the SAME SIZE as standard On30 wheelsets, 1/2" dia. PERFECT for 1:35n2

However, I replace the original plastic wheelsets, with either Bachmann, Hornby or Kadee 1/2" dia. wheels.





Here is one of the Tri-ang Railways(TM) Brit. underframes, being modded.

Couplers, buffers, brake-gear & mounting-lugs, have all been cut/filed off.


The 2.5mm/0.100" holes in the journal-boxes, for the original 2mm/0.080" stub-axles ...

... are tapped out with a M3-thread & M3x3mm cup-ended set-screws are fitted.


These set-screws provide the perfect 'bearing' for any modern 26mm 'point-point' wheelset to run on.

Very easy to do, 200x M3x3mm set-screws are $2 inc. P&P from eBay.


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If you wanted to get a couple of these great underframes to experiment with ...

... you may well find that looking on 'CANADIAN eBay' might well turn some up cheap !


The wagons I buy for this kind of thing, are all VERY PLAYWORN ! as they say. ;)

The Tri-ang Railways diecast-underframes & trucks are virtually UNBREAKABLE !

The condition of both the wheels & wagon bodies is of no consequence.


Tri-ang stuff in 'good condition' can sell for quite a bit of $$$.

But the unboxed and PLAYWORN ! examples often go for just £0.99p !!



:moose:



Si.



I'll Post a bit more later, on some of the other Tri-ang 'Transcontinental' diecast-trucks I have been using as well.

These HO trucks are EXTREMELY CHUNKY looking ! :shocked:

They look NOTHING like regular Athearn or Kadee trucks, which IMO are generally TOO SMALL for 1:35n2


The reason I have been using them BTW, is NOT because they are CHEAP ...

... but because, once modded, they look REALLY GREAT for 1:35n2 :cool:


They also 'sit nicely' alongside Bachmann On30 archbars & my 'Teebee' 3D-printed 1:35n2 Gilpin Tram trucks.


Some photos of the Gilpin Tram No.02 snow plow modded underframe, to follow  .  .  .



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" Beer can ? "


Hi Doug :wave:


BEER CAN !!  :f:


Thanks for the 'neatly curved' bit Doug.

Although I'm sure you could still give me a 'phobia' with all this 'neat' business.

Oh well, at least I can find all my materials these days  ;)  usually.


It's actually 'hand crafted' !  from 20 Thou" aluminium alloy sheet. :P

Much sawing, filing, pliers, hammering & sanding were involved.


Seemed like the best material for something like the plough blade.

I'm guessing that 'ploughing' would have quickly removed any rust from the surface.


Slight difficulty though at present ...

... I'm trying to figure out how to mount it to the car body.

Not that many clues in the drawing made by the Colorado & Southern draftsmen.







Can't say I've ever found any use for beer cans, except for containing beer of course.


Anyway, I'm considering buying the really expensive stuff from Brussels, that Cor recommends, for breakfast. ;)

It tastes horrible & is gonna give you a GUARANTEED headache ...

... but it does look more 'stylish' in the fridge, than a can of Spesh. ! :shocked:



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A couple of photos of the modded underframe I made for the Gilpin Tram No.02 snow plow.





Sections of diecasting were cut away, from a standard Tri-ang Brit. underframe.

Excess mounting-lugs, couplers, buffers, brake-gear etc. were removed & new wheel bearings fitted.

The new wheelsets in the photos, are in this case, Kadee On30 'Griffin' ones.





The cut section was then rotated 180deg. giving the slightly oDd wheelbase in the C&S drawing.

The front wheels being very far forward indeed.


The diecasting is VERY STRONG and RIGID, there is no problem cutting an underframe in half like this.


In the photos, the wheel bearing set-screws are longer than my normal M3x3mm ones.

I had run out of the shorter 'flush fitting' ones, new supplies came in yesterday though ! :cool:


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But Si, the real plow had brakes!

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brakes. ......., he only has to tighten the bearing screws


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Si,

Since you seem to be the Tri-Ang expert did they ever produce HOn3 cars?  I found one (suppose to be about 10.5mm gauge) and thought that I could just cut the frame to widen it to accept 16.5mm gauge wheelsets.


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Hi Michael :wave:



It sounds like the Tri-ang car you have, is from their 'TT' scale range.

They didn't produce HOn3 cars.


I haven't actually seen one myself.

But my guess is, the underframe is probably a bit too small, for regular 1:35n2

Although perhaps it might work as a 15"ish gauge, very small mine car ? ... Maybe . . .


I'd say if you haven't got any other use for it, give it a go anyway, and see what happens.

Something small & funky could well happen ! :cool:



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Si,

That Tri-Ang car was only a couple of dollars so I won't feel too bad if I completely mess things up.  I have some Hornby spoked wheels on the way so I'll see what I can make of this TT scale Tri-Ang car.


No guts no glory.

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Hi Michael :wave:

& Cor, who asked about wheels.


Hey ! ... Nice one on the Hornby R8098 spoked wheels !! :thumb:





They really are very cool items. :cool:

Nice heavy metal, great machined finish, and 'sensible' flanges ! :P

You wont be disappointed !! :)





Great for that 'see through' look ! :shocked:

Here they are, on a modded diecast, mid 1950s Tri-ang diamond-ended 'Transcontinental' truck.


I think Forest ( kitbashOn30 ) has used them for On30 as well.

A straight 'swop-out' for the wheels in Bachmann On30 trucks, for the illusive 'old school' vibe ! :)



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Found a vintage photo of the Gilpin Tram No.02 snow plow in action !

It's now on the previous << Page, with the other snow plow stuff ...

... but here it is as well.





GOTTA CLEAR THE SNOW FOR THE MINER 49ers !  :old dude:


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I've got a couple of projects in mind that I can use those Hornby wheels on.  After I get that Tri-Ang TT car in front of me I'll have a better idea of what to make out of it.  Maybe a two-seater open-air passenger car, or a shorty caboose?

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" the real plow had brakes ! "


Howdy Woodie :cb:


Well I never !


You know what ...

... I thought they just pushed an ol' Model-T engine on a chain, over the side, when they wanted to slow down !! ;)



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when they wanted to slow down..

Probably if this thing went any slower it would go backwards into the past...
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I thought the drifts were there to slow it down!

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" The real plow had brakes ! "


" He only has to tighten the bearing screws "


" Probably if this thing went any slower it would go backwards into the past... "


" I thought the drifts were there to slow it down ! "



Hi Woodie, Cor, Jose & Doug :wave:



I think if you all got together ... Westinghouse could be worried ! ;)



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Si, I ain't really sure that the plow had brakes but it did have a brake wheel. The blade appeared to be "fixed" at the offset position shown and from what I can see in the photos and drawings, it was held on with what looked like a 3 level link & pin coupler pocket on the car body and a 2 "prong" fixture on the blade. The blade appeared to be attached to the body with a pin...just like a l&p coupler. At least that's what I used on my version.
Whatever was used, there ain't anybody around now who can prove or disprove this vexing detail!

Now, on to counting rivets on those Silver City ore cars...oh no, they were welded. Get out the magnifying glass.
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Whatever was used, there ain't anybody around now who can prove or disprove this vexing detail!

Yeah, just make the model and post a pic.

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A VEXING DETAIL INDEED...


Overlook the old spider webs and outdoor crap in this image. Here's what I built after communing with old ghosts who actually saw the thing. The blade attachment presented for your perusal and laughter.

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Why would they have a removable blade?  What could they have possibly used the car for?

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HI Michael and all,
L: Probably because it is easier to fix a bent/damaged blade in the workshop than when its on the wagon? The wagon could also possibly be used a test-weight car for the weighbridge in the off-season?

Never letting idle speculation and a good story get in the way of proven facts :):2t:

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Hi Guys :wave:


Thanks for the input on this vexing question. ;)

The C&S drawing clearly ( sort of ) indicates a pivoting blade.


One slightly strange thing about the C&S plow drawing ...

... is that there is NO link & pin coupler indicated on the back of the car.

On ALL the other car drawings in the C&S folio ...

... which were probably all drawn by the same person ...

... the link & pin couplers are drawn in clearly at both ends of every car type.

Mmm ... L:





Thanks Woodie for your $0.05c worth. :bg:

A coupler type scenario, adapted for the purpose, seems pretty reasonable.

Cool pic. of your plows 'super-detail' ! :cool:

I had looked at some small brass hinges I have as a possibility.


It looks as though there is some kind of 'tether' indicated on the drawing as well.

The blade could well pivot a bit, from side to side, but in a limited way.

Perhaps this slight movement, may have taken up 'shocks' to avoid derailments maybe.


I had a load of small brass angle & channel cut up which I had been messing with.

The uncertainty of how ? or would it actually work ? is just me trying to avoid an engineering gaffe !

No rivets being counted. ;)

In other words, could I imagine the thing being built by 'real' engineers ?

But hey ! ... It does look like some stella backwoods jazz anyhow !!


I'll crack it by the end of the weekend !


I don't want to keep Jose waiting ... :w:

... when he tells me to just get on & make the model & Post a pic. ! ;)


:moose:


Si.


This evening was spent installing HIGH POWER L.E.D.s in 1:35n2 modded BATTLE SPACE ! and N.A.T.O searchlights ...





... it doesn't get much madder than that !! :Crazy:


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The Good news: It was a normal day in Sharon Springs, KS when a Union Pacific crew boarded a loaded coal train for the long trek to Salina.

The Bad news: Just a few miles into the trip a wheel bearing became overheated and melted, letting a metal support drop down and grind on the rail, creating white hot molten metal droppings spewing down to the rail.

The Good news: A very alert crew noticed smoke about halfway back in the train and immediately stopped the train in compliance with the rules.

The Bad news: The train stopped with the hot wheel over a wooden bridge with creosote ties and trusses.

The train crew requested permission from the dispatch center to move the train.  Dispatch responded that is against the rules to move a train until the defect had been repaired.

RULES ARE RULES! Never let common sense get in the way of a good disaster!
 


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YES ! ... There were TWO !!  different 'liveries' available over the years.

The first release being the 'N.A.T.O' version with blue/red logo, in grass-green, & red searchlight, see ^^ above.


The second release was the 'BATTLE SPACE !' version with rifle/rocket logo, in all over olive-drab.





Of course, if you weren't happy with the factory-colours ...

... you could do your own scheme of choice !


I couldn't resist this eBay photo, of a 'home painted' version, in traditional camo !

Tri-ang 'N.A.T.O' and 'BATTLE SPACE !', was as good for modding back in the swingin' '60s, as it is 50 years later !!





The red searchlight colour showing through, of an early release 'N.A.T.O' model, gives the game away here ! ;)

I don't think the grass-green was camoed enough for this owner ...

... who obviously 'upgraded' to a D.I.Y Humbrol-Enamel finish ! :Salute:



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and any of them worked real well for spotlighting Airfix model planes suspended from the ceiling  - Been There.. Done That (BTDT).. & Got the T-shirt.  :bg:
And then there was the Triang rocket launcher..but that's another story.  ;)

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" worked real well for spotlighting Airfix model planes suspended from the ceiling "



YYEESS SSIIRR !!  Commander Garaty  :Salute:



As you can tell, Commander Garaty is very familiar with Tri-ang searchlight operating procedure !

He will also know that spotting certain very high-altitude flying Airfix kits was a tricky business !!


The tiny midget-flange 12 Volt bulb, powered by the standard issue Bakelite track-power generator ...

... was best suited to conventional tactical plane spotting.


Newly developed spy-planes, flying at the edge of outer-space, were simply out of range.

It was always impossible to see an Airfix U2 at it's operating altitude.





Something HAD TO BE DONE ! ... But what ?


Tri-ang Railways spent years trying to develop the ultra-high-power LED ...

... but failed to discover a solid-state upgrade, for the ailing 12 Volt midget-flange lamp technology of the time.


If only they had had a copy of the CPC catalogue & next day delivery, by Dave the postman ...

... but it was not to be.


50 years would elapse, before the new technology, pioneered by Wolfgang in the M.M.M carshop, was available.





:Salute:



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Gromit has told me that a liberal amount of ceegar smoke works well as fog, to prevent the beam finding  any aircraft. I take his word for it, as I am not breathing all that crud---plus tha only things on my ceiling are cobwebs. If there were any aircraft there they would have to be from the "Great War" (another oxymoron). Hmm---wonder how large a 1/48 Gotha bomber is?    Always loved the lines of the Focker D8-------

Nah- Too many projects now.


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I am surprised that Si did not convert the Battle Space one to a Laser Beam to get the high altitude ones. On second thought, forget I mentioned it.
Not much chance coming across a searchlight car here in the GWN, to many projects on the go anyway to add another.

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" I am surprised that Si did not convert the ...



... one to a Laser Beam "



Hi Ken :wave:


What a GREAT idea !


The reason I login here, is cos we have some of the sharpest railroading minds on Planet Earth. ;)

Problem is Ken ... I needed your :!: idea ... A WEEK AGO ! :f:


It's very 'Goldfinger' if you ask me ... as in :-

" I don't expect you to talk Mr. Bond, I expect you TO DIE ! "


I am trying to keep my ( hopefully brief ) flirtation with BATTLE SPACE ! sensible by the way.

Those 'searchlights' upscaled to 1:35 ... are of course now 'worklights'.

Perfect for night time engineering ops. & the emergency derailment crew.


I think Commander Garaty has been trying to get me to consider the rocket-launcher & bomb-transporter wagons.

But I know from my extensive research, that ballistic missiles, were NOT shipped on any 2' railroads I have come across.

I'm staying STRICTLY PROTOTYPE ! ;)


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For all the top electrical boffins, like Helmut :brill: ...

... the new searchlight ... urm ... I mean WORKLIGHT !  specifications, are as follows :-


20 deg. beam angle
5mm dia. LED
20,000 mcd
3.2 Volts
20 mA





The original Tri-ang lens did have one or two slight optical imperfections. :P

So the M.M.M 21st Century upgrade, has mounted the new solid-state bulb, as close to the front as possible.

The Plastruct tube section bringing the light-source forward to the lens.


Those newfangled top secret spy planes, may just be visible yet ! :Salute:



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Si.



It's Canadian Kens fault I ended up with 2 darn searchlight wagons in the first place. ;)

Now to mod. those 2 'Trestrols' which the original searchlights were mounted on.


I don't want to be found to be collecting & not converting. :shocked:


Off to try & remove some Tri-ang truck mounting rivets !  .  .  .


L  a  t  e  r  .  .  .





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Trying to get me in trouble with the TCA for bashing TRIANG rolling stock, sure I am far enough away they will not get after me (I hope)
Former Triang rocket launch structure, converted to a loading ramp.

I shortened, split length wise, spread the sections then added cross beams, a wooden deck and skids to the bottom for a loading ramp for my assortment of crawlers.

As for the bomb, you could be transporting a replica bomb to a RAF Museum for display. The local RCAF museum have a replica Grand Slam bomb as part of their setup for their restored, but not air worthy Lancaster Bomber.

I will not enlightened you as to what I've done with bits and pieces from a Revill space shuttle kit other then to say they could end up in a Copper smelter of some sort.

I need some place for my 25 Bachmann 2 Bay coal cars, now converted to ore cars to go.

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" launch structure, converted to a loading ramp."



I think the model for Kens bashed crawler loading ramp, was featured on the cover of the 'Boys World Annual 1967'.





I'm not sure if the bash is described in the 1967 edition or not.

I was only 8 months old at the time & couldn't read yet. :f:


Kens design is obviously pretty nifty work ...

... & sounds like a great BATTLE SPACE ! bash to me.


Of course you get the nice depressed-centre 'Trestrol' car as well ...

... but probably not the L-21 plane ...

... as these were usually mauled by the dog, or lost in flight. ;)


Only dedicated Tri-ang collectors can dig deep enough, to grab the complete 1967 model.





BATTLE SPACE !  


RAIL BASED COMBAT UNITS

complete with squad of 7 Battle Space Commandos >  :Salute: :Salute: :Salute: :Salute: :Salute: :Salute: :Salute:


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Now you have me wondering how the "Mother of all Fighter Aircraft" in the 1950s, the AVRO ARROW CF-105 ordered for the RCAF would look on the catapult. Do have the kit in 1/48th scale L:

Downside the program was shutdown and the 5 aircraft were scrapped. Perhaps it is time I re watched "The ARROW" DVD,
enjoy the ending when an ARROW flies off to a secret RCAF base, never to be seen again.

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" you have me wondering how the "Mother of all Fighter Aircraft" in the 1950s,
the AVRO ARROW CF-105 ordered for the RCAF would look on the catapult."


Hi Ken :wave:


Perhaps something like this ...






" Downside the program was shutdown and the 5 aircraft were scrapped."



Ah ! ... But were they ALL scrapped ?

Intrigued, I read the full story on the legendary AVRO ARROW CF-105 last night.

The AVRO ARROW Story & Model In LEGO

Conspiracy theories ABOUND when it comes to this amazing Canadian plane !



TWO extremely rare ejector-seats from the project, turned up years later, in England !

They were authenticated BEYOND ANY DOUBT by the original manufacturer.

AVRO ARROW Mystery Deepens With U.K. Discovery

As the commentator says, ONE would be unbelievable enough, but TWO ! ...

... as a 2-seater plane, how did TWO ejector seats find their way to England ?

Logic says, as part of a WHOLE plane !

But how could that plane have got to England ?

It did not have the range to fly there from Canada.



The aerodynamically cutting-edge design, was originally tested as large-scale models.

Some launched over Lake Ontario in top secret tests.

Several have since been found in the water ...

... the search continues for more !



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Further stuff to follow on the searchlight bashes  .  .  .

I did have a look at the 2 'Trestrol' cars yesterday, now with their original 6-wheel trucks removed.

I do like Canadian Kens extra-wide BASH using 2 of these cars.

This would be a VERY BIG car for my little two-foot railroad.

Top secret development is continuing on the project !



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I would love to see your catapult-launcher loading-ramp conversion Ken.

Don't suppose you have a handy photo of it by any chance ? ???


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Will post a couple of photos of the ramp and my first trestrol conversion tomorrow, eyeballs are crossed from lettering a piece for a project with Slaters smallest plastic lettering, could not even get around to the 2 tie down NBW's, maybe tomorrow.

The more web pages you visit on the AVRO ARROW, the more interesting it gets. Apparently one was seen in England,
CF 202 disappeared within 2 days of the start of dismantling with no trace what so ever, the other 4 had hardly started being dismantled at the same time.
One other report states there is a prototype (202?) hidden in a barn in Quebec.
The Truth is out There!!!

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what has become of that little backwoods railroad you started with? Obviously a secret testing ground for all sorts of anti-aircraft weaponry plus arcane almost-British jet planes....my personal conspiracy advisor says that plane in question was flown to the UK after they had tried maple syrup in place of kerosene!

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" CF 202 disappeared within 2 days of the start of dismantling with no trace what so ever,

One other report states there is a prototype (202?) hidden in a barn in Quebec.

The Truth is out There !!! "



You could be right Ken ... but will we ever know ?






X



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" what has become of that little backwoods railroad you started with ?

Obviously a secret testing ground for all sorts of anti-aircraft weaponry plus arcane almost-British jet planes "



Don't worry Helmut.

I'll be back to whittling '30s dry-rot out of toffee apple sticks before too long.

The Mysterious Moose Mountain BATTLE SPACE ! phase, can't go on for ever ...

... or can it ?



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   First up, my first Trestrol conversion, based on a 2Ft 6In gauge car built for the FCA(B)&C to haul equipment from the coast to a Copper mine and smelter. split two cars length wise and inserted a spacer between the two center frames. Width was 1.75 IN, should have made it 2In wide.
 Load is a recycled water filter, representing a Bruckner batch rotating furnace circa 1900.
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   Attached a photo of ramp, another to follow

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Hi Ken :wave:


Thanks for the photos ... Very nice converting !

The car & load look excellent.


I like the loading ramp bash, from the plane catapult car as well.

That's a very rare BATTLE SPACE ! item you hacked to pieces there Ken !!


My 2 searchlight Trestrols both have 'extra bits' moulded in to them, for fixing the generator & cabin etc.

A nightmare to cut out & even then, you would not have the nice diagonal-braces there afterwards.

I may have to surface a possible conversion with tread plate.


I would like to transport a Caterpillar D7 or Russian ChTZ S-65 tractor.

They are about 70mm wide in 1:35

I'm not sure if a 'real' 2-footer could even move a Cat. like this ?


70mm is exactly 8' in 1:35 scale, sounds like that is how wide your prototype was.

I guess your crawlers are a similar width, ie. around 8' or perhaps wider ?


I tried a basic Trestrol with regular Tri-ang archbars to see how 4-wheel trucks might look as well.

The Trestrol actually looked pretty cool with 4-wheel Tri-ang diecast passenger trucks fitted.


Mmm ... A tricky one for me.

It looks really BIG ! compared to my other cars ... But that's the whole point I guess.


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Unusual Caterpillar D7 crane version.


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found one working:cool:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWoLxW9IvPQ

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You weren't kidding about those Tri-Ang frames being almost indestructible.  Got that little TT scale car apart, and cut the frame to widen it to accept Hornby spoked wheels.  A lot of cutting and grinding to get it done.

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Well ... just a wee bit diverted ( as usual ) with lots of new ideas for Tri-ang bashes ...

... BATTLE SPACE ! ...

... D7 Dozers etc. etc. etc. ;)



All good stuff though !

Where do ideas come from ? ... Certainly not from nowhere ! :us:






The modded underframe bits from my 79-part, 3 Shilling, Christmas 1962 Airfix kit, went together very nicely indeed. :)

The slightly 'chunky' plate-frame trucks, have already been used for my Trix-Twin depressed-centre flatcar bash .. N  I  C  E
 

The jib superstructure is also on its way to becoming a BROWNHOIST as well ...

... or possibly a 'SI.HOIST' as Woodie suggested ! :cool:





The modded Airfix underframe, was going to be for the N.A.T.O searchlight-car.

But a few things happened to mean that wasn't to be.


First of all I got a second BATTLE SPACE ! searchlight, to add to the existing N.A T.O one I had.

The next problem was, I kinda felt that the searchlight 'generator units' needed cutting down a bit.


Then my Tri-ang R127 Crane bash got looked at, and it needed a heavy ( ish ) duty underframe.

So ... The deal was done & the modded Airfix frame got bumped over to the Tri-ang R127 Crane bash !

So you can now ignore the BATTLE SPACE ! title on my photo !! :P





The searchlight 'generator unit' just didn't need such a large car to go on.

I had initially wanted to keep it as 'original' as possible.

But that just 'went outta the window' & the generators were eventually cut down, from their original size, which is shown here.





Basically Wolfgang decided to saw orf a load from the end where the small barrel sits in the 'notched part'. :shocked:

So far, so good.

The above frame looks GREAT with my R127 Crane ... more on that  l  a  t  e  r  .  .  .


The BATTLE SPACE ! & N.A.T.O searchlights had 2 nice new underframes made for them.

Photos to follow  .  .  .

The wiring up & testing of the searchlights continued as well.

Now converted from their original 12 Volt track-power ...

... to battery-operated constant-brightness mooodern-units ! ;)


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The moose . . . is ON THE LOOSE !

More  s  o  o  n  .  .  .


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Looking good.  I take it that the battery is underneath the generator?  Where did you hide the on/off switch?

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As you can see, the generator-units got RAZOR SAWED ! :shocked:





Some new embossed styrene welded on & holes for the 'work light' on/orf switches made.


An answer to a curious question, which has been perplexing me for some time as well ...

... why does the olive-drab BATTLE SPACE ! one have a 'ole in the top & the N.A.T.O one doesn't ? L:


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Maybe some kind of flashing warning light when you turn on your space death ray.

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" Maybe some kind of flashing warning light when you turn on your space death ray."


Hi Michael :wave:


Strangely enough, you are ALMOST correct with that !

I have a couple of vintage research photos on the other 'puter, which will explain everything !! :Crazy:


For now though, on with the 'worklight' car builds.

I gotta prove to Helmut I aint given up modeling backwoods woodworm, for 'The Space Age' ! :shades:



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The new electronics parts were installed in the 'worklights', as detailed on a previous Page <<.





The resistors were gonna go at the back of the diecast 'worklight' bulb-housings.

But in the end, I decided to install them in the generator, next to the on/orf switch instead.





Generator photos coming up  .  .  . 


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The B.S.! generator. ;)





We are using AAA cells, from the quartermasters stores.


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Tri-Ang TT scale tank car...the finished product.



I really like those Hornby spoked wheels.

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Interesting conversion of the Tank car, needs a couple of Ladies with Parasol's out for their Sunday break.

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" needs a couple of Ladies with Parasol's out for their Sunday break "



:java:[whack]   :java:[whack]



It was time for a quiet Sunday afternoon cup of tea, by the duck pond on the village green ...

... when SUDDENLY ! ...

... an incoming Nuke, targeting the poorly camouflaged BATTLE SPACE ! Radar Tracking Command Car ...

... vaporized everything for miles, in a nanosecond. :shocked:





The only thing left of car No.74 ... was four white hot Tri-ang diecast axleboxes. :sad:






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I have a pair of Tri-Ang couplers left over from that tank car if you want them.

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... and the new Tri-ang N.A.T.O based 'worklight' conversion.





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Naaw, build a 1:35 cab from scratch. That one don't cut it!

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Howdy Woodie :cb:



Thanks for your vote of no-confidence !

The M.M.M shops do try some crazy country $4!7 sometimes. :Crazy:

Yeah ... Would look a bit rough, even at the correct angle !! :shocked:



I had a bit of a mess around with the Porter over the weekend.

Although she had been topless for a while ...

... a down south mining Porter really needs a decent cab.


I had a lash-up, made in 1-min with $0.01c of wood & toothpicks, on her for a bit !

The cab in the photos ^^ above, is from my dismantled C&S Mogul.

It could be good for something, it won't be on a 2-6-2T Mogul BASH though. L:



I also thought ... About time to make that lil' Porter a nice tender as well !

Various photos of passenger-truck tenders have inspired, Glover tenders of course, high on the list.

I think I kinda need a smallish fuel-only tender, with room for R.C. gear under the fuel stash.





This photo has always rocked my world !

No passenger-truck, by the looks of things.

But I like the simple 2-panel cab & wide-boarded DIY tender that 'Fido' runs with.


A pair of Bachmann passenger-trucks were acquired by M.M.M recently ...

... as well as some nice Tri-ang diecast ones in the company supplies from the '50s/'60s.

A pair of the Tri-ang trucks found their way onto 2 new small flats for the 'worklight' & generator car builds.





These 2 new cars have worked out really good, as the rollin' gear for the 'worklights' ! :bg:

Which made me think of Porter tenders  .  .  .


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I do like the funky tender with the rack for grate cleaning bars and the axe mounted on the side of the tender. Gives you an idea how small the cab might be.

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" I do like the funky tender with the rack for grate cleaning bars and the axe mounted on the side of the tender.
Gives you an idea how small the cab might be "



Hi Ken :wave:



I like the proportions of the loco & tender.

I can imagine a Bachmann Porter in there, under all that plain woodwork.


I'm gonna try for the same length/proportion with an experimental Porter-tender.





An angled pic. of the 2 new 'tender' style 4-wheelers, made recently in the M.M.M shops.





Modified Tri-ang diecast passenger trucks, with new 1/2" dia. wheelsets.


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I like the axe on the tender. Says loud and clear "chop yer own tree fer fuel"
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Inspired by Canadian Kens BATTLE SPACE ! 'loading-ramp' conversion ...

... or perhaps TOP SECRET 'Arrow' rail-based mobile launch site ! ;)


I couldn't pass up the chance to 'have a BASH' at one of those '60s catapult-cars myself ! :shocked:





Here she is on the previous owners kitchen table ...

... now she is on mine !


BOY ! that took some serious dust-removal, to restore it to the original gleaming factory finish ! ;)



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Impressive bit of kit, those catapult cars ! ;)

I bought mine QUICK !, before word gets out about Canadian Kens Evel Kenevel styleee loading-ramp !! :shocked:


I think it could be converted into a riveted-structure, on an O scale trolley setup, as a maintenance platform. :P

Anyway ... Been eyeing up my one ... But NO impetuous SAWING just yet ! :)


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One of the pair of new 'worklights'.

The 'generator & light' on the new specially made 4-wheelers, from Tri-ang passenger trucks.

Possibly good Porter tender rig also  .  .  .





In fact, that is a slightly earlier photo.

The wooden framing in the pic. is just cardboard, now it is wood.

Also the generator has been shortened, as in the << previous Pages photos.


Other one coming  .  .  .


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The second 'worklight' & generator car, on an older type Tri-ang chassis based 4-wheeler underframe.





Will try and Post some photos of both cars, in their final guise.

It all came together OK in the end ... just need to snap some pix. :bg:



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Looking good, next thing we will find out is that you will be building an armoured train to go with them :us:. Have looked at a couple of search light cars (not TRIANG) for a possible conversion myself. To many projects on the go to get worked up though.

Would you believe an interstage cooler for a Canadian Ingersol Rand model 10 compound air compressor, after the compressor is done, a 3 cylinder Fairbanks-Morse Type Y, style V diesel engine. The Pelton-Doble turbine and a Canadian Westinghouse generator will be a breeze, other than bearing pedestal's 5 different size's out of 7 total compared to the compressor and diesel.

As a side note, re launch pad for an ARROW, one of the AVRO plans was for a vertical launch tower for the ARROW.

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No the beam from the 'worklight' isn't BLUE at all !

Somehow the cellphone cam. thinks different though !!


The light is a very bright WHITE and the pair of them could be ULTRA cool for Hollywood movie lighting. ;)


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Crikey! Brighter than bright or what!

I presume you're familiar with the O scale K-Line, MTH Railking and Lionel versions.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=o%20scale%20searchlight%20car&rt=nc&LH_PrefLoc=2&_trksid=p2045573.m1684

If you're patient, you can pick up the occasional one quite cheaply - other than the crippling postage costs from the States of course!

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" One of the AVRO plans was for a vertical launch tower for the ARROW "


Hi Ken :wave:


That is totally INSANE ! :Crazy:

I wouldn't like to be the engineer in the cab of one of those express-lifts !! :shocked:


Yet more rumours in the story of TOP-SECRET project ARROW ! ;)


Helmut seems worried that I've given up rinky-dink backwoods mining ? ...

... to start a mobile rail-based 2ft gauge anti-aircraft defense network ! :Salute:


I'd better limit myself for now, to the catapult-car/loading-ramp BASH !

I'll do the Porter vertical-launch tower at Christmas. ;)


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Hi Doug :wave:


I didn't actually know about the Lionel light-cars.


Possibly the light is gonna be too big, compared to the Tri-ang OO/HO ones.

I do like the look of the 'generator' units.

I see there is one with a cable-reel on a depressed-centre flat as well. :bg:


Yeah ... the shipping !! ... The last BATTLE SPACE ! one cost me £2.99p + 2nd class Royal Mail. :P

I'll keep my eyes peeled anyway ! :shocked:


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Another 'riveting' photo from the Mysterious Moose Mountain carshop.





Wolfy checks out some 'electrical-cabinets' left over from the N.A.T.O and BATTLE SPACE ! conversions.


Next up ... some R127 crane conversion pix. ... I think  .  .  .


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Wolfy checks out some 'electrical-cabinets' left over from the N.A.T.O and BATTLE SPACE ! conversions.

I see smoke coming off his ears...

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L: Wolfy has probably "got across" something that he shouldn't have ought to?? 
(Where's that ZAP!! emoticon when you need it? :P

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" I see smoke coming off his ears... "


" Where's that ZAP!! emoticon when you need it? "


Hi Guys :wave:



I hope Wolfy gets to grip with all the loose HIGH-VOLTAGE ! cables lying around.

The tankcars they've been working on in the shop lately, are a bit old & leaky. :shocked:

There may be some FLAMMABLES left in there ! :w:

( or just sour milk )*  :f:





This tankcar & it's near twin, were two of the first basic underframes I built AGES ago now.

I was never sure about a few things, but in the end I recently continued working on them.

More woodwork has been made for the tank support & 'tread-plate' walkways & end platforms cut to fit.



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R127s later  .  .  .



I still wanna know why Canadian Ken has got a stash of THREE ! of those mobile-cranes ?

Sounds suspiciously like something to do with Project ARROW to me !! :shocked:



* U.D. - United Dairies ... What else could that U.D. stand for ? L:


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Almost afraid to mention I have 3 of the Lionel General Motors 6 cylinder 71 series Generator sets also. Guy could use them to power their search lights:!: Oh wait I do not have one darn!. Mind you I am glad I do not, other wise I might decide to model the 1st Canadian Armoured Train which ran for a short while on the North West Coast in 1942.

As for the R 127s, I seem to collect cranes, have 9 various cranes, why? I do not know! And yes a few would be more suitable for 1/35 models.

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I must be a crane collector also but I tend to keep it "in the closet". A railroad can't have too many of these machines anyway.

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Looks like you're using a Tri-Ang 4 wheel frame for that tank car?  I was looking to pick up a few more Tri-Ang cars for their metal frames.  Did Tri-ang use plastic or metal wheels on their goods wagons?  Found one with spoked wheels but they look plastic.

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" I must be a crane collector also but I tend to keep it "in the closet". A railroad can't have too many of these machines anyway."


Howdy Woodie :cb:


I think you've got it about right.

The 'Lidgerwood' & Pino-Grande 'Brownhoist' wreckers, are a nice pair !

We just need to see them IN ACTION ! more often, in huge Silver City photo supplements. ;)

I did actually do a little bit of Lidgerwood research a while back.

I hadn't quite realized before, that it was probably a Lidgerwood-hoist, on a 'carshop' derrick-car. L:

Cool :cool: that your 2 both look REALLY different.


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" As for the R 127s, I seem to collect cranes, have 9 various cranes, why? I do not know! "


Hi Ken :wave:


Cos you like 'em ? ;)

I know the feeling anyway. :)


I have a pretty good 'collection' myself ...

... all totally KNACKERED and acquired by the M.M.M shops for pennies ! :thumb:

But all with def. 1:35 potential !


Tri-ang R127 HO/OO Crane Wagon ( a current project ). :y:

Airfix ( Dapol ) HO/OO Diesel Breakdown Crane kit ( YES I've done a lot to that, sort of ).

Hornby Dublo HO/OO Diecast Breakdown Crane, main car only ( HOLY COW that's one chunk of HEAVY metal ).

Dinky Toys ( Hornby ) Oish or HO/OO Yard Crane ( just LOVE than BLUE painted diecast base ! ). :f:


I think that's it ! ... Confession over !! ;)



" wonder if there is a group to help me stop collecting "


Ken don't worry about it.

If there isn't ... there is a group to help you start converting ! ;)

It's called FREERAILS !! :thumb:

I really wanna use the Dublo diecast one for something ... Quite nice, needs a lot of modding for 1:35 though.





'Dinky Toys' - Blue/Yellow  .  .  .  'Hornby Dublo' - Red/White

Some other builds figures and 16.5mm gauge wheelsets etc. for a sense of size.

Sorry about the wide-angle lens !



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Michael, I'll Post some stuff about the various different Tri-ang underframe types later.

I didn't know nuffink about 'em till recently, other than being unable to break them as a kid in the '60s/'70s !

There are a few different 'generations' & slight differences in what was made over about 10 years, later ones were made in plastic.

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The Hornby-Dublo crane appears to be based on a Cowans Sheldon crane. Took a look at some photos I have of a Smith-Rodley steam crane used in Puno Peru to load the smaller ships on Lake Titicaca. The H-D model might? make a suitable candidate for conversion to 1/35.

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" Looks like you're using a Tri-ang 4 wheel frame for that tank car?
I was looking to pick up a few more Tri-Ang cars for their metal frames.
Did Tri-ang use plastic or metal wheels on their goods wagons?
Found one with spoked wheels but they look plastic."


Hi Michael :wave:


The diecast underframe & tank, are both from a Tri-ang vintage Brit. 4-wheel tanker wagon.



ALL the vintage Tri-ang 4-wheel underframes, freight-trucks & passenger-trucks have plastic wheels.

Earlier types have solid wheels, with a 1/2 gauge 'shoulder' at the back of each wheel.

Later types have the wheels ( including spoked ones ) moulded onto the axles ...

... with these, there are no 'shoulders' & the space between the wheels can be seen to be the axle metal.



The earlier 'shouldered' wheels generally have deeper flanges than the later 'unshouldered' ones.

The very early wheels will tend NOT to run OK through the frogs of your code-100 switches.

The later 'unshouldered' wheels, where the axle metal is visible MAY perform better ... just.



The wheels are either a push-fit onto a barbed axle.

Or moulded on, as with the later ones.

They can be removed by pushing the axle through, using a 2mm punch or drill bit.

Sometimes they are damn hard to remove this way, other times they slip through easily.


In any case, the axles must be pushed through without putting any pressure on the side frames.

If these bend ... bending them back square, WILL break the diecasting !

These underframes are STRONG, but bending & bending back, is not what a casting likes !!


The wheels are usually damaged beyond any possibility of re-use in the process.

But are useful 'junkque' for the yard ! :P

I don't pay the wheels any attention myself, they are all replaced with mooodern metal wheelsets.



The thing to look for when buying the vintage Tri-ang underframes & trucks ...

... is the ends of the axle-boxes, which can be seen to be a round hole, with silvery-axle in.

ALL the 4-wheel underframes where you can see this, are diecast.

ALL the freight-trucks where you can see this, are diecast.

The early passenger-trucks are also the same as this as well ...

... however, some later ones, DO have this visible axle-box end hole, but are moulded in plastic ( I got caught out with 1 pair like this ).



If you see something that looks worth getting & you have any doubts about if it is diecast etc. P.M. me the link & I'll check it out for you.



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Buffers, coupler mounting-lugs, body mounting-lugs & brake-gear, cut or filed off.





This is one of the wooden frames made for the pair of tankcars, with modded Tri-ang diecasting in place.





Axle-boxes are tapped out with an M3 thread, using the original Tri-ang hole size.

M3x3mm hexagon-socket cup-ended set-screws are used as the new wheelset bearings.

Hornby, Bachmann or Kadee 16.5mm gauge standard metal wheelsets can now be fitted.



:brill:



Si.


Gonna be a bit short on modeling time this weekend ...

... cos of the CANADIAN GRAND PRIX !

Wonderful race track, deceptively simple, but ALWAYS produces a race worth watching.


I wonder if Canadian Ken is tuning in ? ???


WATCH OUT ! for 'the wall of champions' ... IT BITES !! :shocked:

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Si,

Thanks for the information on Tri-ang.  Inspite of the fact that the first Tri-ang I purchased turned out to be a TT scale model I still was able to put it to use, and had fun doing it.  The diecast frame is rugged, and helps to give the car some weight.  Really like those Hornby spoke wheelsets.  I troll through eBay bottom fishing for possible donors.  Don't want to spend much since I'm only after the frame, and the body, couplers and parts go into the scrap box for future projects.

Both you and Woodie have been a terrible influence on me.  6 moths ago I was just fine with my Lionel trains.  Now you two have me building an outdoor 35n2 layout with RC control and using Tri-ang OO frames for cars with San Juan couplers.

But, I really am having FUN!!!  Thanks!


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" Both you and Woodie have been a terrible influence on me.
6 months ago I was just fine with my Lionel trains.
Now you two have me building an outdoor 35n2 layout with RC control and using Tri-ang OO frames for cars with San Juan couplers.

But, I really am having FUN!!!  Thanks! "



Hi Michael :wave:



I agree, Woodie can be a terrible influence on people. ;)

When I joined Freerails, I was thinking 1:32n3

But soon the advantages of the similar but smaller 1:35n2 were hard to resist ! :P


My previous efforts were in 1:24n3, which was just too big for what I was after.

1:35 scale 2ft. running on 16.5mm gauge, is a very nice combination for me, in so many ways.

The easily available & affordable 1:35 vehicles, figures etc. being a big part of that.

Of course the adaptability of suitable regular HO and On30 gauge track & running-gear, is great also.


So I have to thank W.C.G as well, for steering me from 1:32n3 ... to 1:35n2 :bg:


" Works For Me ! "  -  Hannibal Smith, The A-Team. ;)



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Si.



I was trying to keep my photo Posting on one or two models only ...

... but it aint working ! :f:

So some more on the tankcars & cranes are still coming ...

... but I just have to put up a bit of Porter modding stuff from the last few days.


L:

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...And if you needed any further proof, consider this-


An NMRA HO (On30, etc) STANDARDS GAUGE along with a 1:35 scale ruler.
Hopefully this will be all anyone needs when the kickers, punters, and pickers come along!

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I flirted with the idea of doing something in 1:24 scale for about an hour.  With ruler in hand I quickly realized just how much real estate 1:24 scale was going to take up.  And buildings...anything bigger than an outhouse was going to take up more room than I had to spare!

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My 0-4-2ST Porter was one of the first 'must haves' of my 1:35n2 project. :cool:


The cab was taken off a while back & for ages the Porter was topless.

Been scratching my head on this one  .  .  .

I didn't know whether to 'chop' the rear wheels off or not ? L:


Finally I just realized that my biggest inspiration for the Porter BASH was this . . .





Well ... This is a 3ft slightly bigger Porter than mine in 1:35 would be, but I think it would basically work. :thumb:

I measured some simple dimensions.

Tender front-back, Gap between loco & tender, Cab front-back, Forward beam to cab front.

Then scaled them to 1:35 and the lengths of my 0-4-2ST Porter.


Then DID IT ! :shocked:


Razor-sawed right through the Porter footplate AT LAST !!

I now have an 0-4-0  .  .  .





The general proportions, allowing for a bit of 'this & that' are roughly on the drawing & some principal parts cut.

I would perhaps like the loco to be able to run tender-less, hence the regular couplers in the middle.


The Porter got 'chopped' more or less inline with the rear fuel bunker, but the footplate will be extended a bit at the rear.

The vertical board on the loco, is just a 'height test' and is 6ft tall.


The tender frame was made out of wood, with a slim-frame & boards similar to the prototype.

I had to decide whether to use pedestal style axle-boxes, or a truck based tender.

I decided to use a passenger truck, kinda 'Glover' style creeping in here a bit.

So the tender got a re-wheeled Tri-ang diecast passenger-truck, similar to the pair made for the 'worklight' BASHes.





The framing on the new Porter tender is much lighter than these M.M.M 'disconnect' style builds.

Some more pix. of the actual Porter tender frame soon.



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Si,

Just got a Hornby Dublo Bogie Bolster Flat Car off of our favorite auction site.  Looks like it's all metal.  Could be the beginnings of a new passenger car for my Nye, Inyo & Esmeralda Railroad?

Also looking at a Dublo 3 rail Goods Brake Van E178717.  Looks tinplate?  Possible O scale? 

You seem to be the authority on Tri-ang & Hornby.  So what do you think?

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" You seem to be the authority on Tri-ang & Hornby.  So what do you think? "


Hi Michael :wave:



Thanks for the 'Guru' status Michael. :P

The truth is far from it though ! :shocked:



I smashed up my share of Tri-ang/Hornby Brit. OO stuff as a kid ( just practicing for my current BASHes ). ;)

I also have numerous Tri-ang 'Transcontinental' HO models, which I like very much. :thumb:



The ONLY thing I know about the early 'Hornby Dublo' OO stuff ...

... is that I have 2 'Weltrol' 40-Ton depressed-centre flatcars, which I bought a while ago for possible modding.

One of them is 3-rail, with ALL metal un-insulated wheelsets; the other 2-rail, with ALL plastic insulated wheelsets.

On both the 3-rail & 2-rail examples I have, the wheel flanges are actually 'acceptable' for Code-100 16.5mm track.



However, the down side is, that the wheelsets are virtually 'impossible' to remove ! :Crazy:

I'm sure dedicated 'Dublo' fans have their 'special-methods' for dealing with wheel replacement.

But to remove the wheelsets, you have to first drill-off the SUBSTANTIAL & HARD ! truck mounting rivet ( if you can !! ). :f:

Behind the 'Dublo' diecast truck-sideframes, there are 2 folded-steel components, which form the axle-bearings, 1 each side.

The 'bend-over-tabs' which secure these components, are located on the top of the truck bolsters. :brill:



I've never had the wheelsets out myself, but they look to have totally non-standard length, stub-ended axles.

I suspect that the 4-wheel brake van, probably has a similar wheelset mounting scenario.



So ... What do I think ?



The 2 'Hornby Dublo' cars in front of me on the bench, need their rivets drilled off ! :w:

Then some fiendishly-clever way of fitting mooodern wheelsets devised ...

... Which doesn't look easy to me. :f:



Nice solid diecast depressed-centre bodies though, needs widening really for 1:35n3. :)



:moose:



Si.



Personally I wouldn't buy the 'Dublo' brake van.

But if you can live with UN-INSULATED wheelsets, & it's for sale VERY CHEAP ...

... I would also say, as always ... Anything is possible ! :bg:

If the underframe on the brake van is pressed-steel, rather than diecast ...

... that's another story, and I def. wouldn't buy it !! :f:

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Yes, the Dublo brake van looks like pressed steel or tin lithograph.  Reminds me of early Marx O scale equipment.  So I'll take your advice and pass on that.  I'll keep looking for something more appropriate.  I have plenty of projects to keep me busy anyway.

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An overhead of the new Porter tender & mods. being checked out.






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Wolfy has been checking out the exquisite riveting, on the new swingin' '60s Tri-ang BATTLE SPACE ! Catapult Launch Car. :thumb:





He thinks given enough run up, his trusty Indian could break the record for double-decker buses easily ! :P

Dunno about the Grand Canyon though !! :shocked:


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" An NMRA HO (On30, etc) STANDARDS GAUGE along with a 1:35 scale ruler."



Howdy Woodie :cb:



Thanks for the amazing abstract of the gauge & scale rule. :thumb:

I must try and get a 16.5mm track gauge from somewhere.


I was quite pleased with the 1:35 scale rule I got a while back.

It has been very useful, as 1:35 is a killer to work out in yer head.

Gimme 1:48 or 1:24 any day !;)


But ...

... I noticed the other day, that the 1ft sections are divided by 1/2 and 10 ! ... NOT 12 !!

Now how totally FUBAR is that ?

Wanted to measure a decent 9" or 3/4' ... and there aint a 9" mark on it !! :f:



:Crazy:



Si.



" ... And if you needed any further proof, consider this "


Woodie, what I need further proof of ...

... is that a rare Porter with tender, once ran on the Mogollon Railway way back when . . . L:


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Finally some crane build pix. ! :P

Mostly of my Airfix & Tri-ang rail-crane BASHes progress, to follow.



But firstly, I did take a couple of better pix. of the 'Dinky Toys' 752 Goods Yard Crane ...

... & to follow, the 'Hornby Dublo' Steam Rail Crane.

Wolfy checks out the 1:35 potential of these 2 newish arrivals at the company shops.



The Goods Yard Crane base is 4" square.

From the end of the jib, to the jib-pivot is 6 1/2" long.

Wolfy is 2" tall. :)





As you can see, logging cactus could suit the sophisticated jib controls. ;)



I actually really like the Dinky Toys diecast model just as it is.

I've even come to accept the BLUE base ! :shocked:



But to 'convert' rather than 'collect' ...

... that damn extra-strong Dinky Toys RIVET ! holding the crane to the base, needs drilling off.



Now THAT won't please too many 'collectors' !!

But perhaps my chipped ( but nice ) & un-boxed 'play-worn' steal of a deal wouldn't either. :f:



:moose:



Si.



I'm gonna have to drill that pesky RIVET !

I just can't 'see' the superstructure on a car build, or perhaps as a 'shop crane', with that BLUE lump underneath. L:



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that BLUE lump underneath...

could be the start of a nice Mayan pyramid...

Jose (high on caffeine).

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It is a toss up whether Triang or Lionel rivets are easier to drill out. Just salvaged a Lioel Crane off a flat car.

Jose

Like the idea of a MAYAN temple top, as I tend to model South American NG Railways.

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rivets are easier to drill out.

I found easier to grind them from the unexposed side.

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" could be the start of a nice Mayan pyramid... "

" Like the idea of a MAYAN temple top "

" It is a toss up whether Triang or Lionel rivets are easier to drill out "

" I found easier to grind them "



Hi Guys :wave:



Thanks for the inspiration ... to DO IT !

Yep ... Finally drilled the Mayan pyramids central RIVET !! :shocked:


Jose, Ken, if either of you take up ancient Mayan 'Z' Scale, I'll send you the BLUE pyramid, compliments of M.M.M. :P


The diecast mushroomed over RIVET ! is there for LIFE ...

... but a couple of minutes with a hand twisted 3/8" drill & it was dust ! :mex:


A very rare photo, of the Dinky Toys goods yard crane bottom !

You won't find a pic. like THAT on the Dinky collectors site !! ;)





Well, it surprised me to see a nice big 'boss' around the RIVET !

Good news for any re-screwing to a car or whathaveyou.


You can't see this from under the BLUE base before removing its RIVET ...

... as there's a big mudguard-washer beneath the RIVET ! :brill:


Great !

I like it so much more now, sans the pesky pyramid.

Also got a sense of the true weight of it, as the base is VERY heavy.

The yellow crane part is not overly heavy, considering it is all metal.

Def. modability there mefinks. :pimp:



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Having separated the crane from it's Mayan pyramid ... ;)

... I thought I'd try it for size, on a handy car build.


The car build is one of the first I made in 1:35n2.

It's the M.M.M 'heavy duty flatcar' and is about 18' long.


The track is 16.5mm Peco 'Crazy Track'.





I recently changed the trucks on this build, for 'heavier' appearance trucks which are nice.

I like this car build a lot as it happens & it will remain a flatcar for sure. :cool:

But it's similar in size to the 'steel' underframe I have made for my other Airfix crane BASH.



:moose:



Si.



The jib does widen a bit at the end, however there is a slight 'wide-angle lens' effect in the photo ...

... which makes it seem a bit bigger than it 'really' is.

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Youse gonna need some big ol' dudes to operate the cranks! Preiser makes some "1:32" unpainted figures that have some guys who scale out to 7'6"...in 1:32 scale! I'm thinking that they would be good for the crane operators or maybe draftees for a US basketball team. Matter of fact, I have some of those guys, well just the bodies...I whacked their heads off to use on "proper" 1:35 figures.
The correct names are "Eye-gore and Frank-en-steen"...

"My, what large knockers you have...Why, sank you doktor!"
Back to the hole in the ground
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   With all the mad butchering being done by Wolfie and you, figured I had better place a guard on by BUCYRUS, just in case you get any ideas.
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 Just in case you wanted to see the BUCYRUS shovel.
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" all the mad butchering being done by Wolfie "



Hi Ken :wave: Eh!



Mad ... Mad ! ... MAD !!

You could be right Ken.



" Just in case you wanted to see the BUCYRUS shovel."



Oh yeah, just noticed that ... Nice loader !

I nearly missed it, I was looking elsewhere. ;)



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" gonna need some big ol' dudes to operate the cranks! "



Howdy Woodie :cb:



You could be right !

The red Hornby Dublo one is even harder, with it's heavier jib.

Clever & simple mechanism behind the cranks on these 2 cranes though.


Wolfys N.B.A try out didn't go that well.

He's only 6' and his hob-nail work-boots don't have the springy air-pockets inside either.


I didn't really want him to leave the M.M.M carshop for a $1M Dollar sports deal.

Who the hell would grease the axle-boxes ?



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" could be the start of a nice Mayan pyramid... "


A special photo for Jose, of the 'Z' Scale ancient Mayan pyramid ! ;)






:mex:



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Ken,

Where did you find that figure, and what scale is it?

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I believe Suzanne is 1/18h scale. she stands 3 & 1/4In in height. I purchased her years ago (20+), no idea of maker and hobby shop is long gone. Best I can do Sorry.

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A nice stonework on the sides, an altar on the top. a few chopped heads around and you are in business...
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Ken,

Thanks for the info.  Was kinda hoping she was closer to 1/35th scale.  There are a couple of female resin figures I still want to get when additional funds become available.

See Sasha the welding girl: http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=4120&forum_id=9&page=1

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What respectable girl would go for a guy who fell into a vat of tan paint?

Or-----she might not be respectable----

Or-----she might have gone through Dr Woodie's sex change factory.


Herb------please shut up and go back to sleep.

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Suzanne was warned about Woodie, so she is packing a Lee-Enfield 30-30 if he shows up as she knows all he wants is the BUCYRUS for a conversion project!

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Hi Ken,
I can do you a good deal on an armoured train to help keep Wolfie at bay around your Bucyrus.
See me about mate's rates and freight from Oz, ;)

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As funky as your armoured train is, I need to pass on it, have to many items of rolling stock I need to finish up conversion's on. Two projects on the go now, a WP&Y tank car, and a H&H outside braced boxcar.

If Woodie shows up, a deal might? be made on my second BUCYRUS shovel (can't have just one).

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" What respectable girl would go for a guy who fell into a vat of tan paint ? "



Hi Herb :old dude:



Sorry ... I know Wolfy needs more than just a good tan. ;)

I will get around to it sometime soon, when car building operations aren't so busy. :P



I was very pleased to see a rare and FANTASTIC eBay listing recently ...

... for my favorite 'Humbrol Enamels' at a stella price of only £0.99p a tin ! :shocked:



At that incredibly low price I went to town ! ...

... I now have what I've always wanted in model paints ...

... All possible colours & loads and loads of great mixable shades.



I had a ton of artists oils, acrylics & watercolours previously, which are very nice ...

... but a good ol' tin of Humbrol really does take some beating when it comes to most things ! :thumb:



I actually can't wait to start using then on some of the car builds & figures ...

... but I am gonna have to sadly.



My model building strategy, to make the most of the time I have available ...

... is to do all of one type of job, all at the same time.

It is just WAY WAY more time efficient for me like that.

So details, N.B.W.s, and paint, will all go on my car builds etc. later & all at the same time.



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I was quite surprised the other day, when I counted up about 18 car builds in advanced construction. :shocked:

My that I mean underframes, bodys/tanks, coupler-pockets & modded trucks/wheels.



Add to that about a dozen, as yet un-modded, Tri-ang operating ore cars ...

... half a dozen Bachmann operating wooden side-dumps ...

... and a good few items of motive-power being meddled with ...

... & all things considered, I am fairly pleased with the progress on the rolling stock builds. :bg:



I am trying to rationalize a few of the builds at present.

Also am trying not to add too many more, just at the moment ...

... although tempting snow-plows, work-lights, and crane-cars, have to get going whilst the enthusiasm is there. :!:



Things are going good on Moose Mountain !!



 :moose:  :thumb:  :bg:






A close-up of what the de-riveted 'Dinky Toys' crane looks like on my 1:35n2 heavy-duty flatcar.

It has possibilities. L:



It has actually been so good to see this crane, without it's pyramid base ...

... that I took the plunge & de-riveted the red 'Hornby Dublo' crane BASH fodder as well. :)

I like it a lot also !

Some before & after photos to follow on that one.

It makes a big difference to see these alongside track, cars & figures, to check size & proportions. :brill:



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Inspired by the de-riveted yellow 'Dinky Toys' vintage diecast crane ...

... I guessed it was about time to drill the 'Hornby Dublo' recent arrival as well. :cool:



I hadn't rushed to remove the crane from the chassis on this one ...

... it may have been possible to use the chassis in some way.

But in the end it seemed unlikely it was going to work in any way I could see.



My clapped out bargain basement model, was the cheapest I could find on eBay.

No box, no derrick cars & no sub-chassis with wheels either.

It did come with the very nice original diecast hook though ! :)



It wasn't exactly a steal of a deal, neither was the Dinky one either.

But the bits of it I actually wanted, were in good condition, which is not always the case.

I don't mind working with ol' crap ! ... I just don't like starting with total garbage though !! ;)





I snapped this pic. for the record, before drilling the pivot rivet.

Again Peco 16.5mm 'Crazy Track' & Wolfy my 2" tall 2 yard-stick give it some sense of scale.



WHOOPS ! ... The pivot isn't central, as you can see ...

... so I suppose I got the crane & chassis round the wrong way. :Crazy:

Basically the rear end wouldn't normally overhang like that in Hornby world ! :P



Can't really see much potential in the original 4-axle chassis ...

... but I'm following Freerails top philosophers advice on this one ...

... as Jose always says ... NEVER THROW ANYTHING AWAY ! :old dude:


There must be SOMETHING that could be done with it ? L:



Some de-riveted crane pix. to follow, when I've snapped 'em.

I de-riveted the rear tin roof as well.

I think a hacksaw down through the gap to the right of the crank is probably the next move.

I don't see any point in keeping the back end lump particularly. ???

Mmm  .  .  .



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Si,

I don't mind working with ol' crap ! ... I just don't like starting with total garbage though !! ;)

I'm very capable of making my own garbage without anyone's help thank you very much.

I like that 4 axle chassis; it's got that real heavy duty look to it.  My concern would be what kind of radius it would be able to get around.  Maybe it could be worked into a mining scene on its own dedicated track maybe hauling tailings or something.

I'd keep the rear-end lump and give it some kind of funky corrugated metal roof.

The companion derrick cars look really neat.  The short ones could be made into some little ore car.  I'd like to find a couple of those.

And, you're right!  Never ever throw anything away!