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 Posted: Sat May 6th, 2017 04:14 am
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This map shows the details of the area around the Humphrey and Meade Mills

The MEADE MILL
Next, we encounter the Meade Mill. The Meade Mill was another mill that was constructed before the railroads were built, and expanded over the years. As the Gilpin Tram was being built, the mill owners modified the mill to put metal sheeting over the wooden ore bins, and had a spur built to serve the elevated bins.   This mill received the first ore loads shipped over the Gilpin Tram, from the Gunnell Mine on December 11, 11887, when six ore cars were shipped to the mill. 

Another incident was reported in 1888, when a runaway ore car in what must have been an exciting accident. The runaway ore car, which had been unloading ore at the Hidden Treasure Mill, ran downgrade to the Meade Mill, where the runaway ore car struck a wooden ore wagon, demolishing it, killed one and injured the other mule, then when on to strike another GT ore car loaded with ore. This collision released the second ore car’s brakes, and the two runaway cars continued on to near the Polar Star Mill, where they struck a UPD&G 3’ gauge boxcar before everything finally came to a stop!




In this pre-railroad photo, the Meade Mill is the building with the smoking stack in the center of this photo. Several additions were constructed over the years on this building
 
The Meade Mill was sometimes referred to as the Fullerton, Gunnell and Kimber and Fullerton Lower Mill as various times. The mill building housed 40 stamps, powered by a water wheel seasonally, and a boiler and steam engine the remainder of the year. There was also a separate buddle house across the tracks.
 
There is a record of 27 ore cars being shipped to the Gunell Mill in September 1906, but that could have been this mill or another operation using the Gunnell name at the time. I could not find any records of any other shipments to this mill after this date.




The 1890 Sanborn Fire Insurance map shows the Meade Mill. The map doesn't show it, but the Gilpin Tram spur ran parallel to the double dashed lines (water flume for water wheel) and dumped into the ore bins




This image shows the Meade Mill, from the creek side sometime in the late 1890s and before 1902. The Gilpin Tram Era Sundance book has a series of three photos taken at about the same time showing more details of this mill. I think this would be an interesting structure to model - I like the combination of stone, wood, and metal-clad walls, and varied roof lines.  Nothing remains of the mill or its site today, due to more recent highway and water drainage construction


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 Posted: Wed May 10th, 2017 04:33 pm
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New member but have been following this thread. I model the Colorado and Southern in Clear Creek as well as the Rio Grande. This is probably as a result of family trips there as a kid. I will be posting some pictures of the area in the 1960's that my Dad took.
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 Posted: Wed May 10th, 2017 06:54 pm
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Hi Keith :wave:


I have been making a model of the Gilpin Tram No.02 snow plow.


Gilpin Tram No.02 Snow Plow - 1:35n2 Model


I've used the 'C&S Folio' drawing, which I'm sure you are familiar with.

I also have 1 fairly poor for detail, but a nice shot, of the plow in action.


I was just wondering if you knew of any other pics. or info on this & the other similar plow they used ?

I've got most of it sorted, but have not much to go on regarding how the blade was fixed to the car body.


I can of course just guess & make something up.

But I thought I'd see if you knew anything more about it.


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 Posted: Wed May 10th, 2017 08:21 pm
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Attached are some photos from Nevadaville taken in 1962 I will be adding them as I go along. I have lots more. My Dad was a prolific photographer.








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Really neat looking plow car Si! I love it so far, are you going to throw in a bunch of pig iron, rocks and junk iron weight? That car in particular seems to be pretty elusive in any great resolution photos of the G.T.
What color are you thinking it may have been? One of the things we can't really tell for sure is colors from the old B&W photos of the G.T. era. I guess we can all take some license in our choices somewhat as to prototypical. 
Welcome James C. Thanks for the photos, those are just a couple of years older than me, I think I first went through Gilpin county around 1971 or 1972, but not until the 1980's before I appreciated what was really there. Great photos and thanks for sharing them with us. Not a lot of Gilpin photos show up that are new (er/ish). :Salute:

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Here are some more that might be of interest. I wish I had more identifying information. These ones were taken four years before I was born, but I will post some later trips. I also have a two foot gauge tie that was Dad's. I am not sure if it is a tram tie or one from a mine tram. I rember Dad saying that it was from Eureka. Rather this is from the Eureka Gulch on the Gilpin or from Eureka near Silverton. Problem with Eureka that is the SN in this area was 3 foot and I am unsure of any mine trams in the area (it appears that the one there was arial.) To me it looks more like a mining tram tie but perhaps some one who saw a gilpin tie could shed some light on it. L:

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This really adds to a marvellous extra record of the era that Keith has been pursuing. I've learned so much from this thread.



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The Meade Mill picture shows something that IMHO is much too regular for cart ruts. Horse tram? But that may be a combination of visual deception and wishful thinking.



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NEVADAVILLE
Wow!  Those are some great photos posted by James. Thank you for sharing these.
One thing that struck me was how Nevadaville's main street has not really changed all that much in the past 55 years.

Compare this picture taken in 2015 to the one James posted on May 10, taken in  1962. The trees have grown up next to the buildings and on Quartz Hill (at right side of photo), but all the buildings are still there and look about the same.  Amazing the town buildings have been stabilized as well as they have.
But, the mine building photos James posted show a lot of interesting structures that are long gone. James' photos show a lot of mine buildings on the north slope of Quartz Hill. Fortunately, the Pozo Mine shaft is still there, and it was partially restored several years ago. But, a lot of the other buildings just "disappeared."



Compare James' photos of Quartz Hill to this image, taken in 2015. The brick smokestacks help identify the location to the photos James posted on May 11.
SNOWPLOW
Si, that's a nice snowplow you're building in 1:35n2. The photo you included with your May 7th post, of the snowplow at the Eureka Gulch water tank, is about it. There are a few more, but they do not definitely show much more detail



This photo shows 2 shays at the snowplow at the Gold Collar Mine spur on the east side of Prosser Gulch. This doesn't show much detail at all, but notice how small this plow was compared to the engiineman standing next to the shay!
So, if you are building a model, I'd say use your imagination as to what looks correct - there will not be any photos to contradict what you build!
MEADE MILL WAGON RUTS
Helmut, I agree that there are very pronounced ruts in that road. However, I think they are just the result of many wagons pounding down a narrow road, where there is little room to maneuver to either side. For example, check out the photo below, showing several ore wagons lined up on a narrow dirt road. I think they would make ruts rather quickly after several passes.  But, that brings up another detail to model for this area - wagon wheel ruts in the road!



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Hi Keith :wave:


Thanks for the snow plow photo.

I have a copy of that photo, but the resolution is poor.

The one you Posted ^^ above is much better. :cool:

Do you have a better resolution image than mine, of the Eureka Gulch photo ?


What is interesting, which is now a bit clearer from your photo ...

... is the structure right behind the plow blade, at the very front of the car.

I had seen that photo ^^ but thought it must be another plow, maybe No.01


This 'addition' was obviously not on the snow plow, when the C&S draftsman drew it for the 'Folio'.

Judging from the snow piled up at the front & in the Eureka Gulch photo ...

... my guess is this wooden ? structure, was added to stop snow going over the top of the blade.

Looks like a 'shop' add on, to correct what appears to be a problem with the original car.

Seems like the snow was deeper & heavier than the initial design could handle.

The car is very small, as you say Keith, looks like it may have been a bit too small at the front.


I am now quite tempted, to 'guess', & see where possible from the 2 photos, what that addition was.

Funny thing is, when I cut the simple timbers for the model, I thought ...

... hey, I may as well cut TWO sets of parts while I am at it !

There was apparently a snow plow No.01 as well as the No.02

I read that snow plow No.01 was kept at the yard & No.02 was used 'out & about'.


Maybe I could end up with a No.01 & a No.02 L:




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Hi Chriss :wave:


I think my pig-iron ballast, may well be a load of ol' Gilpin sized plastic wheels I have stashed maybe.

As for colour ... Who knows ... I will go with 'generally grubby' when it his the paintshop ! ;)


Just as a massive guess.

I would think that if paint was used, it would be the cheapest & most weather-proof industrial paint of the era.

If that was a kinda 'oxide' type of colour, that would not surprise me.


Looking at the size of the timbers in the C&S drawing ...

... it very much looks like the timber could well be a typical railroad-tie size.

The cross-section looks about right ...

... and the actual length of the end timbers, could easily be that of a 'normal' 2-foot tie ?

Perhaps the timber was 'treated' if that was done to ties, or maybe not.




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Hi James :wave:


Thanks for your eMail, telling me of your Fathers photos.

A great document of the area, and great to see them here on Freerails, & in colour as well !!


Both my Father & Grandfather, were prolific photographers also.

It looks like your Fathers photos are 'Kodachromes', which have a good colour permanence to them.

My Grandfather was big on 'Kodachrome' too, My Fathers E6s have not faired so well.


Can't wait to see what you are up to, modeling the Colorado & Southern as well. :bg:



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